clapper. why did clapper not think ahead? anybody preparing him for this hearing would have to say wyden has some concerns, he might acknowledge it. let's figure out an answer, and he, clapper, as you saw, quickly says no. >> but -- his first insympathy nation is not to tell the truth, your honor oath, before a senate committee. >> it's also bad that wyden, read into the program, resident pursuing this out of the public sight by doing the oversight that the intelligence committee is supposed to do and ask these questions and build a consensus among colleagues, uses the fact that he's another hearing junior oath with clapper. both of these people misbehave. the bigger miss behave yore, the guy who did not come to the hearing and says is i will have an answer. >> i think it's wrong when you are your honor oaunder oath and question. >> every opportunity to figure out the appropriate way to describe the program. >> or you could have done the day after the march 12th testimony. could have made a call and said, look, he ambushed me

director clapper's response was, no, sir. as "the new york times" said today, even clapper had to say that that statement was absolutely false. the very first conversation i had with mr. snowden, he showed me the folder in which he had placed the documents and labeled it nsa lying to congress, that

james or wyden said of clapper that he quote, didn't give straight answers on the n.s.a. hearing that took place in march. the president has called for open and honest debate and widen said the american people have to expect straight answers and the questions asked by the representatives. is the president satisfied that the american people are getting straight answers from their leadership when it comes to american intelligence? >> certainly believes that director clapper has been straight and direct and the answers he has given and has engaged in an effort to provide more information about the programs that have been revealed through the leak of classified information. >> james clapper said it was the least untruthful statement. >> i'm not sure which statement. >> the statement in the march

"," quoting clapper now. what i said was the nsa does not voyeuristic voyeuristically pour through americans' e-mails. i stand by that. that is not what clapper said and not what senator widyden asd him. >> i agree it is not a good situation we find ourselves in the secret program, the government is entitled to have secrets. when a secret program is revealed it's rather unusual. i think the government has to figure out what exactly it wants to share and do this. >> that's a little off point. but on point is the question of whether clapper should have been asked that, mr. clapper should have been asked that. john bolton came on this program yesterday and not a big defender of this administration saying senator wyden had no business asking him that in open session about a clandestine program. now, senator wyden's office comes out today and says we told him in advance he testified we were going to asked him and i asked him at the testimony and gave him a chance to clarify and after the fact, sent a written follo

clapper says no. and i noticed in the clip that we played, when clapper said no, he was looking down at his pa . paper. do you think clapper lied? >> he absolutely lied. if lying means anything, he lied. he was given would be day's notice of this question. he's then asked the question and he said any data at all. they didn't say is he reading e-mail, he said any data at all. and clapper said no, sir. and then he said unwittingly. and then he went on to say the nsa can't do this because it only looks at foreigners. it was a flat out lie and worrying in a country when the national intelligence services are subordinate to congress that they would lie to the congress which is primary. >> and mark, i will count myself basically as a supporter of this whole national security apparatus. but if clapper is lying and, boy, that whole scene, he wouldn't look at widen's face when he answered it, it's like the irs. there's a trust issue here that we cannot overlook. the irs we know lied repeatedly lied and got int

>> certainly believes that director clapper has been straight and direct and the answers he has given and has engaged in an effort to provide more information about the programs that have been revealed through the leak of classified information. >> james clapper said it was the least untruthful statement.

go back to general clapper. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on a million or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not. >> not wittingly. there are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly. >> now, before i get to his clarification, was that a lie, congressman hu elskamp, in light of what we know? it sure looks and sounds like it. we do not have to sacrifice our individual liberties. it's difficult job to do. he and his staff were accused of lying congress and think clapper has done the same thing here. >> i didn't think clinton could

and now you have clapper. i don't know how you get around what clapper said. i was a defense lawyer, i don't know how i would spin that. he simply didn't tell the truth on it. >> from my point of view, ien watt to do two things. i want the government to be honest and accountable. and we disrupt terrorist plots before they mature. this program has checks and balances. no one can listen into your phone calls or mine without a warrant being issued by a federal judge. they have to show the judge that the terrorists that we're following has made a phone call to your number before we can monitor content. >> that's an entirely different question. >> whether the administration we want to have confidence in is playing it fast and loose. >> i totally agree with you, i think the problem we have here -- the president himself, blamed the attack on a video in a spontaneous riot that was illogical. there was nothing other than evidence of a coordinated terrorist attack. you have a lady taking the fifth amendment. have you jim rosen's situation, the attorney general said he h

so congratulations, james clapper. you win the award for the most overwhelmingly vast gonads which is an important honor especially to tea baggers. lying under oath is okay so bill clinton and oliver north are off the hook. oh, wait they already were. i would like to thank my sensational panel, mr. basil mike smikle and my guests. this is "viewpoint." we're still here. >> joy: tonight, john wayne bobbitt says having his penis chopped off was the best thing to ever happen to his love life. yes, sometimes when life gives you lemons, you gotta make lemonade. plus jerry dewitt is here to share his journ friday from pentecostal preacher to devout atheist and i'll talk to two men who are trying to get married in all 50 states. seriously? how many toasters does one couple need? all of that and more on "say anything." god forbid, paula

clapper? >>steve: is james clapper a master spy or simply clueless? >>brian: he's all over the map on this one too. his school banned prayer so this valedictorian threw out the script and shocked an entire community by doing this -- >> why don't we stand while i say our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. thy kingdom come -- [applause] >>brian: he's here live this hour. "fox & friends," according to my report, starts now.

they weren't defending clapper, we hadn't yet seen this video. i thought it was sort of an interesting distinction to make, they would say gather is the original step and collection is the secondary step, and i was willing to give clapper the benefit of the doubt on that because i had those conversations before, as i say, before the video aired. his subsequent explanations don't do much to shore up that benefit of the doubt he might have been given because they have been so poor. he hasn't just said that in a very straightforward manner. >> this comes on a day, charles, aclu filed lawsuit in which they say the purpose of the government for this program is to collect data now and ask questions later, constitution doesn't permit suspicionless surveillance of every person in the country. >> i don't have to listen to your phone calls to know what you're doing. if i know every phone call you've made, i am able to determine every single person you talked to, i can get a pattern about your life that is very, very intrusive. the real question is what do

>> james clapper said it was the least untruthful statement. >> i'm not sure which statement. >> the statement in the march hearing where the u.s. collects any type of data of all of the millions of americans and he said the answer to that was no and he amended it but in the conversation with andrea mitchell he said it was the least untruthful answer he could have given. >> clapper has been aggressive in providing as much information as possible to the american people, to the press about these very sensitive and very important programs that are authorized by congress under section 702 and section 215 of the patriot act, a much debated public statute that has been passed into law and we authorized three times by congress with bipartisan majorities and i would point you to the statements and documents that have been put out that

that's why james clapper did declassify some of the details. it's why the president on the eve of his meeting with the chinese president took the step of -- felt forced to take the step of addressing the controversy, which he tried to do. and it's -- we're going to have to wait and see. i'm sure there's a ton of polling being done by both parties on this to try to get a sense of -- whether the sense of public outrage matches the sense of alarm in the media. and that may influence how both sides treat it going forward. >> yeah, good point. emily, i spoke with judiciary committee member representative gerald nadler yesterday. let's listen to that. >> a lot of people voted for it. and i didn't. >> right. and this is -- >> a lot of people -- a lot of people voted for it without realizing the implications. >> why not? is it because -- >> because the administration at the time, congressional leaders, were denying the implications. members of the intelligence committee had been briefed. some of them. most members have not been briefed in detail on thi

what is the world does dni clapper mean by that. john boulton joins us. >> glad to be here. >> this suntisn't a question of whether he is a nice guy. the question is whether dni clapper should be refer to justice for investigation about whether he committed perjury. >> senator wyden's question, in fairness, he advised clapper he was going to ask the question. knowing that, it's pretty hard to say that the answer wasn't perjurious. a famous french foreign minister once said, it's worse than a crime, it's a mistake. the stupidest possible answer to give. i don't think the question should have been asked at all. it can only be answered accurately in a classified environment. i still think it was a got you question. faced with a senator wanting to get headlines, clapper's answer should have been i would be glad to answer in a classified session. >> nsa testified untruthfully, and it was dni clapper, i regret making that mistake. what does the average american watching his testimony think, do you think? what impact? >> the purport of the

we're getting more from james clapper. how much detail should be released to make americans, those who might care and those who do not understand what is happening here? >> well, again, that's going to depend on the reaction. they've actually told us, congressman rogers, they've already stopped live plots and prevented attacks. so what happens when something like this is revealed is that we're less safe, because our enemies are now aware of our tact tactics. it's not a good thing. you can see pushback from clapper and others in the administration, because they don't want to reveal more. they don't want to talk about it anymore. the more we share with the world the less safe we are. again, it will have to be a result of conversations members have at home in the constituents that they represent before we see a real successful push to open it, you know, wide up. >> yeah. a fine line, a.b., you're describing there. alex, finish with this. you recently wrote that republicans are mixed on immigration right now. as it relates to

what in the world is dni clapper mean by that? john bolton is here. >> glad to be here. >> this isn't a question about whether he is a nice guy or whether he has served the nation for many years, honorably. the question is whether or not dni clapper should be referred to justice for an investigation about whether or not he committed perjury. >> i think senator widen's question -- i would like to come back to the question. he did advise clapper he was going to ask the question. so it's pretty hard to say that the answer wasn't perjureious. as the marquise, a french foreign minister, it's worse than a crime, it's a mistake. it's the stupidest answer to give. i don't think the question should have been asked at all. it can only be answered accurately in a classified environment. i think it was a gotcha question. but faced with the senator determined to get headlines, clapper's answer should have been senator, i can't answer that question in an open session, would be glad to address it in a closed session. >> i said it was the head of

you remember back in march clapper denied in front of the senate that the n.s.a. was collecting u.s. citizen data clearly he's been disproven here's congressman just an amish of michigan's response to that he says perjury is a serious crime mr clapper should resign immediately well clapper said that he responded in the least truthful manner is that enough for do you agree with congressman amos should he resign well i've seen the transcript and resignation would be an easy way out for someone who took an oath and lied to congress the bigger question is that he lied to congress to protect the president that he lied to congress to protect other politicians that's why you need a complete hearing a transparent hearing it's not about throwing one person under the bus this is ministration has embraced the most repugnant the most restrictive the most illegal surveillance techniques of any administration in history with this particular program and others it's about time that the american public's treated like citizens that we are that we're allowed to weigh in that we're i

did james clapper lie? >> his answer is curious to me. i understand the difficulty about being asked about classified information in an open hearing. you have to be very, very careful. between there may be information here that may subject stancate his comment. but i found it curious given what was reported about what the government was doing. >> you are not going so far as to say he lied under oath. >> he's talking about classified activities. there is classified information that he has access to. i'm not prepared to say that. i'm prepared to say based upon the reporting, those comments seem curious to me. bill: i want to take you to another matter. eric holder. he's in the hot seat. this is what he said with regard to weather reporters are being tracked, including james rosen, members from the associated press. >> with regard to the potential prosecution of the press for disclosure of the material, that's not something i have been involved or head or would think would be a wise policy. my view is quite the opposite. bill: did he perjure

then it was we weren't intrusive enough. >> clapper acknowledged mistakes. an incorrect digit of a phone number was archived exposing innocent callers to surveillance. >> when twee discover errors which in all cases i'm familiar with were innocent and unintended, they are immediately corrected and any of the collection is destroyed. >> some call the leaker to the washing post and the guardian a whistle blower. they describe him as a disgruntled intelligence officer. >> we're all profoundly offended by that. this is someone who has chosen to violate a sacred trust. i hope we're able to track down whoever is doing this because it extremely damaging -- it affects the safety and security of this country. >> clapper says the national security agency has asked for a criminal investigation to track down the leaker. >> andrea, is there any indication that there will be changes in the way things are carried out moving forward? >> yes, there are. i asked him about that. he said that at the request of dianne feinstein, the intelligence chair in the senate, he is report

clapper also says the leaks have hurt american intelligence. he says as all of this is being aired out on our public air waves, others are learning exactly how america defends itself. also for the first time, clapper named the internet monitoring program that the agency uses. it's called prism. but until now the program had only been named in media reports. clapper also emphasized that the government is monitoring internet activity of foreign nationals only. it's a practice, he says, that's been ok'd by congress. they only collect data from tech companies with a court order and knowledge of the tech company. he also says that the government cannot -- cannot -- arbitrarily target anyone to collect their data without foreign intelligence cause. but of course we have seen and heard a lot of pushback. of course the president defending this program. here's what he had to say about the revelation it is federal government collected phone numbers as well as the duration and location of phone calls. take a listen. >> nobody's listening to the content of

this was director of national intelligence james clapper testifying in the senate back in march give me a yes or no answer to the question does the n.s.a. collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans no sir. it does not. not wittingly and then snowden's leaks broke showing that the n.s.a. was indeed collecting data on millions of americans using verizon networks and that a top secret program known as prism has the n.s.a. plugged right into the servers of leading internet providers capable of siphoning off information about what individuals including americans are doing online snowden's latest leak is about n.s.a. tool known as boundless informant which records in analyzes all the locations around the planet where the n.s.a. is gathering data and just how much data they're collecting it revealed that just in march of this year the n.s.a. collected ninety seven billion pieces of intelligence all around the world including three billion pieces right here in the united states but last year when the n.s.a. was specifically asked by senators to give info

community committee and march there clapper testified that the n.s.a. was not collecting meditate on the public of the american public so why are authorities looking to prosecute snowden while they are keeping their hands off of quite far political commentator sam sachs looks that the man who no one else seems to want to question if you have a contractor that has been hired who is then hired this twenty nine year old who's now holed up in some hotel room in hong kong claiming to be the defender of democracy somehow in the people's republic of china if anyone were to violate the law by releasing classified information outside the legal avenues certainly that individuals should be prosecuted that the full extent of the law that's house majority leader eric cantor already turning up the heat on n.s.a. whistleblower edward snowden the man behind a series of leaks laying bare the united states's national surveillance complex the chairman of the house homeland security committee peter king has chimed in to releasing a statement saying the united states govern

clapper emphasized internet surveillance only targets what foreigners are doing online, not u.s. citizens. and said both programs are necessary and legal. congress authorized the domestic surveillance program after 9/11. a court reviews it every 90 days and top lawmakers receive regular secret briefings on it. >> everyone should just calm down and understand this isn't anything that is brand new. >> reporter: but some privacy advocates and lawmakers say the government collecting phone records of millions of americans goes too far. >> it's a huge overreach and it is abuse of the powers that have been given to the government. >> reporter: the chairman of the house intelligence committee says the surveillance helped thwart a significant terrorist attack within the last few years. danielle nottingham, cbs news, capitol hill. >> in his statement, clapper said that the program cannot be used to intentionally target any u.s. citizen. >>> new jersey senator frank lautenberg was laid to rest this morning at arlington national cemetery. senator lautenberg was in repose yesterday in the sen

general clapper made false statements to congress and the only way the american people have the right and the ability to judge if that is true is the release of those documents he engaged in from what i can see as an american citizen a quintessential first amendment freedoms that i need to know to make sure my government is not abusing its power if someone can lie to congress that he has to get away with it without having. the constitution is above that oath and the problem is there has to be a little bit of the constitution and all of that was a pretty growing look at the law. which will always have been stripped away there is no balance when government gets so corrupt that it's spying on its own people we need the american citizens with the nuffin tegra. to come forward and expose it and as long as we have we will be a free society the day they hide behind the trappings of law to keep the truth when the american people. should lose is a big bundle of freedom charlie go ahead jump in but look part of charlie look at the case very carefully i have not seen you may not like the program

there was this sense that -- we saw very directly clapper declassified some of those things. he he claims did he so reluctantly to explain some of those things. then prison happened. i think it's changed a lot of the conversation. >> this is snowden speaking about what he claims he had access to. let's watch. this was with "the guardian" with glen greenwald. >> -- at any time can target anyone, any selector anywhere. where those communications will be picked up depends on the range of the censor networks and the authorities that that analyst is empowered with, not all analysts have the ability to target everything. but i sitting at my desk certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge, to even a presidentfy had a personal e-mail. >> kelly o'donnell, members of congress, leaders of the committees, mike rogers, dianne feinstein have said that that's not possible. there are fire walls there to stop someone like snowden. but he says that he can do this and there are a lot of questions among members -- you talked to senators and hou

will clapper have to resign, bob? >> clapper is really going to be under fire. you saw keith alexander today. he was getting tough questions. but clapper, the question for him is did he lie to congress? did he tell congress the truth about these programs? that's where the real anger is in congress. not so much the nsa as a bureaucracy but about clapper, dni, whether they were telling him the story. >> he made terrible, terrible mistakes in that hearing. dick armey, let's go to immigration. that splits the congress. it splits the republican party too. you heard senator graham talk about the issues of border security versus legalization. where do you come out on that? >> well, first of all, we have to deal with this issue and the republicans have to catch up with the issue. they've done themselves so much harm on that. we've got good leadership with people like marco rubio and jeff flake from arizona with good conservative credentials. and if in fact they can make the democrats stand and deliver on border security, if in fact it increases costs, then go cut costs

there is no more direct or honest person than jim clapper and i think both mike and i know that. you can misunderstand the k question. this is one of the dilemmas of talking about it. he could -- he could have thought the question had content or something. but it is true that this a wide collection of phone records as mike said, no name, no content.

clapper saying his initial response in march was done in the least untruthful manner? >> that man is so slick. you're not beating your wife but you're killing your dog.

clapper saying his initial

clapper also said leaks dachhav been disclosed before the national security agency already involved in tracking the phone calls of millions of americans are reportedly trolling daily through internet videos, photographs, e-mails and blogs. >> what have you thought. >> looking for evidence of terrorist attacks in the making. the program in place since 2007. analysts tracphone calls and sift through billions of pieces of internet data, trying to determine patterns, if they notice something suspicious and involves someone in the u.s., authorities still need a court order to out of the patriot act. those who knew of prism, all were sworn to secrecy. alarm from both parties on capitol hill. republican jim sensenbrenner

let me show you james clapper. this is the guy we were talking about, the national director of intelligence. and he had said before, oh, collecting information on millions of americans golly gee, we would never do that. really? let's hear from him. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly. there are case where is they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly. >> cenk: now, of course, we went on television and said, well, that was the at least untruthful thing i could say at the time. that's the at least untruthful thing i could say oh, please. i'm going to bring in the panel ana kasparian and epic from "the war room." jayar jackson is here. and first i hear there is a chance that you and i will disagree, and that will make me lose my mind and that will be awesome. the nsa program, terrible, good, fine? >> the nsa program i would say is--in general terrible, good, fine? i would say fine. i would say ru

that's led to accusations clapper, the top intelligence official misled congress. this is about clapper's statements but more specifically about why the head of the nsa did not answer those questions on the extent of the surveillance in this country, megyn. >> yeah. and why clapper did and why he answered them the way he did. >> and then refused to correct the answer. >> right. when wyden gave him the fact behind closed doors. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> we've been looking at that clapper sound bite since it was first played and whether it was true, whether he deliberately misled. we know with the hand up to the forehead and, you know, you can see the distress, you know, it's like, shouldn't the chief spy be better at lying, because, you know, it was kind of a tell. judge napolitano was on here yesterday saying he was down like this, no, no, not wittingly and now we know it wasn't true. the guy who runs the nsa is going to have to answer to why he didn't do it. sort of like the hillary clinton susan rice thing, right. hillary clinton said i'm not going out on

nsa has filed a report on this already. >> clapper said the leak had already damaged u.s. intelligence capabilities. >> for me, it is literally, not figuratively, literally gut wrenching to see this happen. because of the huge grave damage it does to our intelligence capabilities. our adversaries, whether nation state adversaries or nefarious groups, benefit from that same transparency, so as we speak, they're going to school and learning how we do this. >> clapper also defended an exchange he had with oregon senator ron wyden back in march which we showed you last week. when asked whether the nsa collects any type of data at all on americans, clapper told him it did not. >> i have great respect for senator wyden. i thought in retrospect i was asked a when are you going to stop beating your wife kind of question, meaning not answerable necessarily by a simple yes or no so i responded in what i thought was the most truthful or least untruth. manner by saying no. >> the least untruthful manner. see how the senator feels about that. snowden told "the guardian" he is seeking a

clapper lie? >> from what i have seen, yeah, he did. he has two questions about a direct question about data. he can say, we have to take this in a closed session -- i have testified, i am under oath, i have to say what the truth is. with all due respect, those issues are classified. we have to identify these issues in particular. as far as kitell, based on what he said, saying there was no data retained by u.s. citizens, he lied. there is no other way to say t. the question becomes, how does he tell the truth and what comes out? clearly, the information has been retained on tens of thousands, if not millions of u.s. citizens for no good reason. >> jamie: we report, as always and the folks decide. but your insight is so helpful today. big story. eric? >> eric: an exclusive interview with new details in the horrendous shooting rampage that left five people dead, including the gunman, his father and his brother. >> the shooter here in this surveillance photo, walking into the santa monica library at the college there. well, he was carryin

in march, democratic senator ron wyden questioned clapper about the nsa. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not. >> not wittingly. there are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly. >> director of nash intelligence james clapper is holding his head as he is responding to questions from senator ron wyden in march. during an interview this week with nbc, james clapper defended his response saying he had answered the question in the "least untruthful manner." meanwhile, on tuesday, senator wyden called for public hearings to investigate the scope of the nsa's surveillance of americans. wyden said -- susan landau, translate what james clapper said. >> he said that we're not getting -- the nsa was not getting data on millions of americans. but given that verizon and the other telecoms were also sending this information and were sending it daily, that does not appear to be true. what we don't know, we don't know a lot of things. one thing we don't know is the kind minimizat

clapper said the u.s. government doesn't unilaterally obtain information. i take it there could be some semantics, word games being played here. what's your understanding of what's happening because it does hebert they don't have direct access to the servers. >> our story was clear. we said and we presented it as a story from the start was that we have top secret nsa documents that claim that there is a new program called the prism program in place since 2007 that provides in the words of the nsa's own documents direct collection from the servers of these companies. we then went to all of those companies named and they said, no, we don't provide direct access to our servers so there was a conflict which we reported that the nsa claims they have direct access and the companies deny it. clearly there are all kinds of negotiations taking place and all kinds of agreements reached between these internet companies that store massive amounts of communication data about people around the world and the government. we should have this debate out in the open. let thes

clapper resign do you think? >> the president has to decide that. i don't get a choice to decide. >> if you were president would you ask for a resignation? >> yes. he would not work in my administration because the thing is we have to be able to trust our officials and when do you this, you have the ability to completely destroy people's lives, the ability to actually kill people overseas. i would think that you really have to have the utmost trust and i think he's lost our trust by lying to us. >> you're obviously laying the ground work for a presidential run, senator paul. how do you plan on capturing your party's nomination when your views on some of these issues are at odds with people like dick cheney and some of the hawks in your party on surveillance? >> you know, there was a poll out just this week that said well over 60% of republicans think the nsa has gone too far. that they think your private phone calls and your records you should have to have a warrant. so i think unless we have a fuller debate on these discussions you'll find not only

james clapper condemned snowden snowden's leaks saying, quote: >> because it's so legal. snowden revealed a secret court quarter requiring verizon for information from the dates april april 25th through july july 19th including phone numbers, callers call times. before snowden revealed his role, they agreed that the leaker should go to jail. >> it's dangerous to us and dangerous to national security and violates the oath that they person took. >> you too senator feinstein. >> john: we can agree on some things but mr. snowden has to be extradited from hong kong first. >> even if you're not doing anything wrong you're being watched and recorded. you don't have to do anything wrong, you just have to fall under suspicion of someone even for a wrong call. >> john: let's go to which william ben benny who worked at the nsa for two years but left because of its expanding program. what a pleasure to have you on "viewpoint" tonight. >> thank you. >> john: thank you. let's start with the big question. do you think mr. snowden is correct when he says that the nsa is targeting everybo

clearly clapper lied. he admitted that he lied. he said that he went with the least untrue answer. and that is problematic. this may be one of those times when it's right for congress to make an example here. david pointed out that the supreme court has consistently refused to take up the warrant question, and he's exactly right. i wonder if people understand who appoints members to the fisa court? do you know? it's the chief justice of the united states court. he picks the members of the fisa. so i don't think the supreme court will be too anxious to get involved in that qstion. >> john: when you focus on the money that is behind the program, and the actual power that booz allen where edward snowden worked, the power that i dare say is far greater than the average american realizes. >> one thing that has been written completely out of this story is whether the people talking to us in political office have a vested financial interest in defending the national security state. indeed, they do. when you look at campaign finance disclosures. when you look at the size of the industry th

>> john: clapper lying under oath is okay this time. i hope nobody tells that to president clinton. >>> rand paul has begun to fundraise on the issue. he sent out a mailer a saying dear patriot. do you think this will be an issue in the next few months and will be swept up as the popular white house scandal theme? >> i think they've been a little more protective around the nsa because they sport support the goals and the tactics of the nsa broadly. i do think that the arguments happening feel familiar. they feel like there is that efficiency there is a good reason to do these "dragnet" surveillance and efficiency was a reason for the irs to use "tea party" in their searches. there are arguments that will be made that will bring scandals together even if they don't go deep in the nsa. the aclu is also fund racing. i've gotten my e-mails to give a few dollars. so it has raised a few strange bedfellows. >> john: i was watching fox news because i'm a thinker and i heard john bolton say people need to focus on benghazi. he's hilarious. the n

. >> the worlds fastest clapper. and we know what the crew said when this happened. >> oh, crap! somebody blew up the boat! >> talking about this video. i want to see what you guys and our viewers think about it. it's from abc 6 in providence, rhode island. we are watching a news crew going to the home of melissa lawrence. her teenage daughter was shot at a graduation party. she has been released from the hospital and recovering from a wound to the back. the 16-year-old suspect turned himself in. the crew is going to the house to get a reaction. >> a 16-year-old turned himself in. >> she said oh, that's good. watch this. >> are you going to throw rocks? >> she threw a rack. the reporter is abbi. >> we are about to leave and lawrence comes out wielding a baseball bat. >> then sicks her dog on the crew. [ bleep ] including the reporter. the dogs chase the reporter up and down the street. one of the dogs bit her on the forearm. she had to run a few houses down to get away from these things. melissa lawrence calls the dogs off but before the news crew has a chance to get away -- >> g