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at this point, you may be wondering if george zimmerman has to testify. >> mark, zimmerman took -- >> you know, that's -- >> go ahead. >> i was just going to say, it's a very good point, because the witness here today, when he talks about trayvon martin being on top and flailing and beating or whatever else, that just about cinches. so i now will raise those odds from 50-1 to 100-1. there is no way they will ever put george zimmerman on the stand. the only reason you would have put zimmerman on the stand was in order to get a self-defense or get the collective self-defense instruction. >> zimmerman took authorities back to the scene of the incident to re-create his version of the events. i want to play a key moment from that. let's listen. >> i kept yelling help, help. he put his hand on my nose and his other hand on my mouth and said shut the [ bleep ] up. i tried squirming again. all i could think about when he was hitting my head, my head felt like it was going to explode and i thought i was going to lose consciousness. he only had a small portion of my head on the concrete, so i t
at this point, you may be wondering if george zimmerman has to testify. >> mark, zimmerman took -- >> you know, that's -- >> go ahead. >> i was just going to say, it's a very good point, because the witness here today, when he talks about trayvon martin being on top and flailing and beating or whatever else, that just about cinches. so i now will raise those odds from 50-1 to 100-1. there is no way they will ever put george zimmerman on the stand. the only reason you...
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on cross-examination, he seemed to encapsulate zimmerman's entire defense, quoting what zimmerman told him moments after the fatal shot and with the body of the teenager lying sprawled nearby. >> this guy was beating me up and i shot him. >> i had to defend myself and i shot him. >> i'm sorry? >> i was defending myself and i shot him. >> so this guy was beating me up, i was defending myself and i shot him is what he told you? >> yes. >> without hesitation? >> no. >> and from what you could tell it seemed completely true? >> yes. >> reporter: testimony later from a police officer who was one of the first responders on the scene seemed to align with zimmerman's claims. >> was his jacket pushed up in any way? >> i don't believe so. >> did you see any tears in his jacket? >> no, sir. >> what, if anything, did you notice about the condition of his jacket? >> the back of it was better than the front of it, and it was also covered in grass. >> martin, the last witness of the day was a physician's assistant that testified zimmerman walls familiar with mixed martial arts. what was that all abou
on cross-examination, he seemed to encapsulate zimmerman's entire defense, quoting what zimmerman told him moments after the fatal shot and with the body of the teenager lying sprawled nearby. >> this guy was beating me up and i shot him. >> i had to defend myself and i shot him. >> i'm sorry? >> i was defending myself and i shot him. >> so this guy was beating me up, i was defending myself and i shot him is what he told you? >> yes. >> without...
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i know you wanted the zimmerman parents -- george zimmerman's parents to be able to be in the courtroom. they won't be until they have testified. >> this is a tragedy for both families. i said that since the first day you and i talked. and if they need to leave the courtroom i'm fine. what i don't want is any type of maneuver or show boating or something that would suggest to try to impact on that jury. as long as they stay away from negative impact on the jury, both the martin side and the zimmerman side, then we'll have a good, just verdict based on the evidence. >> it's probably too early to ask this, and you probably wouldn't answer even if you did know, but have you planned to take george zimmerman take the stand? >> i've always said that's a dynamic decision we have to make only once we look at the evidence the state presents. this has always been a case as every criminal case where the state has to prove their case. in this case, they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt not only that the crime was committed, and that it was in fact a crime, but george did not do so in self-de
i know you wanted the zimmerman parents -- george zimmerman's parents to be able to be in the courtroom. they won't be until they have testified. >> this is a tragedy for both families. i said that since the first day you and i talked. and if they need to leave the courtroom i'm fine. what i don't want is any type of maneuver or show boating or something that would suggest to try to impact on that jury. as long as they stay away from negative impact on the jury, both the martin side and...
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zimmerman is saying. i think there will probably be video type of recreation that we'll see and actors will more accurately pro tray. there is no upward or downward trajectory with that belt. >> thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >>> we'll also have more of this in court today with the panel. coming up, aaron hernandez charged with murder. now another arrest in the case and more on that and troubling details about hernandez' past.. i don'without goingcisions to angie's list first. with angie's list, i know who to call, and i know the results will be fantastic! find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. i was having trouble i was having trouble getting out of bed in the morning because my back hurt so bad. the sleep number bed conforms to you. i wake up in the morning with no back pain. i can adjust it if i need to...if my back's a little more sore. and by the time i get up in the morning, i feel great! if you have back pain, toss and turn at
zimmerman is saying. i think there will probably be video type of recreation that we'll see and actors will more accurately pro tray. there is no upward or downward trajectory with that belt. >> thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >>> we'll also have more of this in court today with the panel. coming up, aaron hernandez charged with murder. now another arrest in the case and more on that and troubling details about hernandez' past.. i don'without goingcisions to angie's...
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zimmerman is saying. i think there will probably be video type of recreation that we'll see and actors will more accurately pro tray. there is no upward or downward trajectory with that belt. >> thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >>> we'll also have more of this on our 10:00 hour, full hour of the trial today. you thought this beach couldn't get any more tempting... ... you thought wrong. seize the summer with up to 50% off hotels at travelocity. what makes a sleep number what makes a sleep number store different? you walk into a conventional mattress store, it's really not about you. they say, "well, if you wanted a firm bed you can lie on one of those. if you want a soft bed you can lie on one of those." we provide the exact individualization that your body needs. welcome to the sleep number summer closeout. where you'll find great savings on the extraordinary sleep number bed, as we make room for our latest sleep innovations. this is your body there. you can see a little more pressure in the hips. ta
zimmerman is saying. i think there will probably be video type of recreation that we'll see and actors will more accurately pro tray. there is no upward or downward trajectory with that belt. >> thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >>> we'll also have more of this on our 10:00 hour, full hour of the trial today. you thought this beach couldn't get any more tempting... ... you thought wrong. seize the summer with up to 50% off hotels at travelocity. what makes a sleep number...
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george zimmerman. george zimmerman who? all right, good. you're on the jury. nothing? that's funny. >> i mean, a joke in the middle of a murder, an awkward joke at that? it didn't seem to go over too well in the courtroom. and so much so that he tried to patch things up and explain the unorthodox comment when he came back. listen. after break, he came back and tried to say this. >> no more bad jokes, i promise that. i'm convinced it was the delive delivery, though. i really thought that was sorry. i'm sorry if i offended anyone about that. my focus is on the detail. and if i have to sacrifice passion, it's not because i don't feel passionate about this case. it's been my life's work for the last year. but it's because that's not -- i don't want that to get in the way, even if it means it's boring or somewhat technical. i want the information before you that you may consider in evaluating the evidence. >> does something like this hurt the defense? >> this was so beyond inappropriate, this is a murder trial where a 17-year-old teenager has been killed. i was stunned by i
george zimmerman. george zimmerman who? all right, good. you're on the jury. nothing? that's funny. >> i mean, a joke in the middle of a murder, an awkward joke at that? it didn't seem to go over too well in the courtroom. and so much so that he tried to patch things up and explain the unorthodox comment when he came back. listen. after break, he came back and tried to say this. >> no more bad jokes, i promise that. i'm convinced it was the delive delivery, though. i really thought...
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george zimmerman. george zimmerman who? all right, good. you're on the jury. nothing? that is funny. >> reporter: after apologizing for the failed joke, defense attorney don west spent nearly three hours meticulously detailing the time line. >> george zimmerman saw trayvon martin over in this area as he was coming around here to go out to the target. >> reporter: an effort to show that zimmerman did not, could not, continue to trail and then confront martin as prosecutors allege. >> mr. zimmerman is sitting here on the phone with the police. >> so now we have two completely different stories, one in which trayvon martin was hunted, presumably because he was black and profiled by zimmerman. and another, zimmerman doing his neighborhood watch duty, disoriented and then jumped by trayvon martin. >> reporter: maybe most important for the defense? zimmerman is's injuries, which they say could only be done by the marks in a terrible beating. >> this is a case of a guy chased down by trayvon martin, and the defense says that didn't happen. >> the defense says that zimmerman h
george zimmerman. george zimmerman who? all right, good. you're on the jury. nothing? that is funny. >> reporter: after apologizing for the failed joke, defense attorney don west spent nearly three hours meticulously detailing the time line. >> george zimmerman saw trayvon martin over in this area as he was coming around here to go out to the target. >> reporter: an effort to show that zimmerman did not, could not, continue to trail and then confront martin as prosecutors...
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george zimmerman. george zimmerman who? all right, good. you're on the jury. nothing? that's funny. >> he did not leave it there, however. martin savidge was in the courtroom, joins us now. i don't know if i ever heard of a lawyer using a knock knock joke in opening statements in a murder trial. how did the jury react to that? we heard awkward laughter when he sort of said what, nothing? >> right. i didn't see one juror that laughed. there was one that seemed to smile, but i couldn't tell if that was humor or out of embarrassment. it clearly just fell flat in the room. it was only after that, i was going to say, don west got wind this didn't work. it went out on the twitter sphere really fast. immediately after lunch he came back and said i'm sorry, here, listen. >> no more bad jokes, i promise that. i'm convinced it was the delivery, though. i really thought that was funny. i'm sorry if i offended anyone about that. >> i mean, for him to set up the joke so much, i mean, i really don't quite get what he was thinking and certainly his whole delivery of it. that's not th
george zimmerman. george zimmerman who? all right, good. you're on the jury. nothing? that's funny. >> he did not leave it there, however. martin savidge was in the courtroom, joins us now. i don't know if i ever heard of a lawyer using a knock knock joke in opening statements in a murder trial. how did the jury react to that? we heard awkward laughter when he sort of said what, nothing? >> right. i didn't see one juror that laughed. there was one that seemed to smile, but i...
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it was george zimmerman. it was george zimmerman on the bottom. that was unbelievable. the other thing is witness number 21 who was the officer zimmerman. he said something that also was unbelievable gift to the defense. he said that when he asked and when he was talking to george zimmerman after arresting him, that george had a very confused look on his face as he was describing the fact that he was calling for help and nobody came, which also corroborated george zimmerman's story but jon good's story that he came out, saw george zimmerman calling for help. they yelled, he didn't respond, went back in and all of a sudden we have this terrible tragedy and finally, i heard y'all say that the prosecution ended on a strong note, that may be true, but the defense was able to establish that there were wounds all around his head. why? well that supports the rolling around theory on the ground in the scuffle. he also held up that photo of george zimmerman with the nose that's like 20 times bigger than it should be a dozen times for the jury to see and finally, what's the last
it was george zimmerman. it was george zimmerman on the bottom. that was unbelievable. the other thing is witness number 21 who was the officer zimmerman. he said something that also was unbelievable gift to the defense. he said that when he asked and when he was talking to george zimmerman after arresting him, that george had a very confused look on his face as he was describing the fact that he was calling for help and nobody came, which also corroborated george zimmerman's story but jon...
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that is when george zimmerman, for the official police record, established that in his claim, that zimmerman -- or that martin ambushed him and that he had to use self-defense with lethal force. >> phil, thanks very much. let's go back inside the courtroom. this is mark o'mara, the lead defense attorney, questioning qg the officer who first responsibled to the escape -- scene of the shooting. >> and as you were going -- anything else that you recall mr. zimmerman saying to you at the scene before you started walking towards the car? >> not before, no, sir. >> okay, as you were walking towards the car, didn't he utter something to you sort of voluntarilily. >> yes, sir. >> what did he say? >> he said he was yelling for help and nobody would help him. >> and how long after you first saw him, did that happen? >> a minute? >> a few minutes. >> as long as it took to do what we just talked about? >> correct. >> and as soon as you had him cuffed you secured the gun, turned him around and walked him towards the car. >> correct. >> the car was 30 yards away? >> approximately. >> and it was during tha
that is when george zimmerman, for the official police record, established that in his claim, that zimmerman -- or that martin ambushed him and that he had to use self-defense with lethal force. >> phil, thanks very much. let's go back inside the courtroom. this is mark o'mara, the lead defense attorney, questioning qg the officer who first responsibled to the escape -- scene of the shooting. >> and as you were going -- anything else that you recall mr. zimmerman saying to you at...
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zimmerman is saying. i think there will probably be video type of recreation that we'll see and actors will more a accurately pro tray. there is no upward or downward projectry with that belt. >> thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >>> we'll also have more of this on our 10:00 hour, full hour of the trial today. key moments from what happened in court today with the panel. coming up, aaron hernandez charged with murder. now another arrest in the case and more on that and troubling details about hernandez' past. blach elievers tylenol works by blocking pain signals to your brain bayer back & body's dual action formula includes aspirin, which blocks pain at the site. try the power of bayer back & body. try the power this is what matters. the experience of a product. how will it make someone feel? will it make life better? does it deserve to exist? we spend a lot of time on a few great things. until every idea we touch enhances each life it touches. you may rarely look at it. but you'll always feel it. this
zimmerman is saying. i think there will probably be video type of recreation that we'll see and actors will more a accurately pro tray. there is no upward or downward projectry with that belt. >> thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >>> we'll also have more of this on our 10:00 hour, full hour of the trial today. key moments from what happened in court today with the panel. coming up, aaron hernandez charged with murder. now another arrest in the case and more on that and...
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did zimmerman do the pursuing? did zimmerman do the confrontation. that. >> is where, faith, i think that is very interesting to me, because they came at her hard, and she seemed to stick to her story, whether the jury believes it or not, we'll see. but let me show you one of the hard exchanges. and i'm calling it a hard exchange where they really went hard at her, and she seemed to hold her guns. >> so the last thing you heard was some kind of noise like something hitting somebody? >> trayvon -- trayvon got hit. >> you don't know that, do you? >> no, sir. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. >> he had to -- >> you don't know that trayvon didn't at that moment take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face. >> please lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> and for that matter, you don't even know what get off means, whether that was somebody on top saying that the person underneath was saying get off, or somebody was backing off and saying get off. or -- >> objection, argumentative. >> let me hear the rest of the question, or what may
did zimmerman do the pursuing? did zimmerman do the confrontation. that. >> is where, faith, i think that is very interesting to me, because they came at her hard, and she seemed to stick to her story, whether the jury believes it or not, we'll see. but let me show you one of the hard exchanges. and i'm calling it a hard exchange where they really went hard at her, and she seemed to hold her guns. >> so the last thing you heard was some kind of noise like something hitting somebody?...
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zimmerman. that's just what you do in a situation where you have shots fired. >> that's correct. >> and that's appropriately -- appropriate for officer smith to have done that here, correct? >> correct. >> now, if you were to come up to me, how would you tell me -- what would you tell me to do in a situation like that where you pulled your weapon and trying to control the situation that you're just coming upon? >> i want to see your hands. >> right. and you say that, don't you? >> yes, sir. >> okay. if i had a cell phone, you think it would be appropriate if i had a cell phone and you say "see my hands," to maybe go like there? >> no -- >> or like this? >> no, it would not. >> what would you want me to do with the cell phone? >> drop it. >> why? >> that way we make sure we have no weapons and nothing in your hands. >> okay. when you came on with smith, did you take out -- right behind smith, did you take out your weapon, as well? >> yes, sir. >> same reason? >> yes, sir. >> you don't know what's
zimmerman. that's just what you do in a situation where you have shots fired. >> that's correct. >> and that's appropriately -- appropriate for officer smith to have done that here, correct? >> correct. >> now, if you were to come up to me, how would you tell me -- what would you tell me to do in a situation like that where you pulled your weapon and trying to control the situation that you're just coming upon? >> i want to see your hands. >> right. and you...
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screams from zimmerman ask zimmerman's injuries consistent with what this eye witness is saying. this is a, as far as i'm concerned this case is over today. do you disagree sth. >> i'm with you until last two things you said. as far as who is screaming it may have been, i haven't decided based on -- he said he assumed it was zimmerman. he said that is who he expected it to be. >> you know, it was not a good day. not the way the prosecution wants to end the week, i'll give you that. i agree he was a good witness for the defense but it's good for the prosecution in this. what he said sthae did not see zimmerman having his head beaten into the ground on this cement. he said it. >> i didn't see the head hit the concrete was his quote. he said i didn't see that. he was worried of seeing someone on top of someone else screaming for help. he's worried and defined incident as zimmerman on the bottom, trayvon on top. >> straddled mma ground and pound. pretty -- injuries are concities stent. >> yes. >> i see them as being consistent with him being beat up in a tuesdayel. he gets knocked ba
screams from zimmerman ask zimmerman's injuries consistent with what this eye witness is saying. this is a, as far as i'm concerned this case is over today. do you disagree sth. >> i'm with you until last two things you said. as far as who is screaming it may have been, i haven't decided based on -- he said he assumed it was zimmerman. he said that is who he expected it to be. >> you know, it was not a good day. not the way the prosecution wants to end the week, i'll give you that....
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. >>> a dramatic day in the george zimmerman murder trial. for the first time, the jury sees graphic photos from the crime scene. and hears about the moments after police arrive on the scene. we'll bring you all today's news on the trial. >>> but we start with the other big legal story of the day, the supreme court's 5-4 decision to gut a key part of the voting rights act. one of the signature achievements of the civil rights era. the conservative majority ruled that congress has to find a new way to decide how states get federal permission to change their voting rules, or if they have to get permission at all. chief justice roberts wrote that, quote, things have changed in the south, and that after 50 years, things have changed dramatically. but millions of americans know firsthand that is simply not true. yes, the country has changed. but not enough. president obama said he was deeply disappointed. quote, for nearly 50 years, the voting rights act enacted and repeatedly renewed by wide bipartisan majorities in congress has helped secure the
. >>> a dramatic day in the george zimmerman murder trial. for the first time, the jury sees graphic photos from the crime scene. and hears about the moments after police arrive on the scene. we'll bring you all today's news on the trial. >>> but we start with the other big legal story of the day, the supreme court's 5-4 decision to gut a key part of the voting rights act. one of the signature achievements of the civil rights era. the conservative majority ruled that congress...
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zimmerman? >> yes. >> do you see that person in the courtroom today, sir? >> yes. >> is that be person that just stood up? >> yes. >> may the record reflect the defendant identified george zimmerman. >> the record will so reflect. >> when you first saw him was the defendant standing up or sitting down or laying down? >> he was walking towards my direction. >> did he walk directly towards you or did he stop or what happened? >> he directly towards me. >> now did you have your flashlight? did you have it on? >> yes. >> was it dark outside? >> yes. >> when you observed the defendant, you say he walked toward you? >> yes. >> did he have anything in his hand sns. >> as i came around the corner he had his cell phone to his left ear. >> was he holding it to his ear? >> yes look that. >> can you demonstrate? >> like this. >> did you notice any blood on him? >> yes. >> where did you notice blood? >> down his nostrils and both sides of his lips. >> could you tell whether there was any damage to his nose?
zimmerman? >> yes. >> do you see that person in the courtroom today, sir? >> yes. >> is that be person that just stood up? >> yes. >> may the record reflect the defendant identified george zimmerman. >> the record will so reflect. >> when you first saw him was the defendant standing up or sitting down or laying down? >> he was walking towards my direction. >> did he walk directly towards you or did he stop or what happened? >> he...
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sometimes it was the words she attributed to george zimmerman. sometimes she left out the racial remarks that trayvon martin made of zimmerman. it went back and forth like that. and other times it seemed like it became less about the testimony and more about a test of wills. take a listen. >> so the last thing you heard was some kind of noise, like something hitting somebody? >> trayvon got hit. >> you don't know that, do you? >> no. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. >> he -- >> you don't know that trayvon at that moment take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face, do you? >> no, sir. >> reporter: the no sir could be interpreted is that she's denying what don west is saying. it went back and forth. >> her testimony today, there were a lot of questions and clarifying about race. how did that play out? >> reporter: well, you know, race, of course, has been a key factor in this story ever since the beginning. in fact, many say that's what took it from a local tragedy and propelled it to a national debate. but today what don west wa
sometimes it was the words she attributed to george zimmerman. sometimes she left out the racial remarks that trayvon martin made of zimmerman. it went back and forth like that. and other times it seemed like it became less about the testimony and more about a test of wills. take a listen. >> so the last thing you heard was some kind of noise, like something hitting somebody? >> trayvon got hit. >> you don't know that, do you? >> no. >> you don't know that trayvon...
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zimmerman, that george zimmerman told lind zee folgate who saw him in the notes she made about seeing him, that he had done mixed martial arts. his defense attorney says that's exercise. now we're seeing mixed martial arts introduced on the other side of the case. before it was about martin, whether or not he was punching mr. zimmerman mixed martial arts style. now we see it on the other side. >> listen, football and wrestling, those are aerobic exercises too. this is definitely going to hurt, but i just want to also get to the point of the injuries because the last guest said something really interesting. that's those injuries and that testimony was more favorable for the prosecution. however, mr. o'mara did something brilliant and that is this. he will let the physicians assistant amplify on the underlying injuries. meaning not just what was seen but was underneath the body. and there ever, made the injuries seem much more serious than they appear. another thing that mr. o'mara did was he asked the physician's assistant to go through the treatment she would have given. so that gets
zimmerman, that george zimmerman told lind zee folgate who saw him in the notes she made about seeing him, that he had done mixed martial arts. his defense attorney says that's exercise. now we're seeing mixed martial arts introduced on the other side of the case. before it was about martin, whether or not he was punching mr. zimmerman mixed martial arts style. now we see it on the other side. >> listen, football and wrestling, those are aerobic exercises too. this is definitely going to...
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george zimmerman was her patient. and what was going on in the side bar with lawyers talking to the judge, i want to bring in martin savidge and diane dimond to talk about this is they were talking about what medical testimony can be admitted in terms of the medical record. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: mark o'meara is trying to restrict the information coming in. they will try to say he's not as badly injured as he will try to describe. >> the testimony is resuming. we're going to listen in to the testimony of lindsay folgate, a physician assistant who had george zimmerman as a patient. we'll continue to monitor and bring you other news. but for now let's listen to the testimony. >> and do you recognize that exhibit as part of the records that are kept at your family practice? >> yes. >> i've highlighted certain pan ts parts that i want to ask you specifically about. so if you can just make reference to those. >> okay. >> that record would indicate he was a patient of yours, 27 years old, male, race w
george zimmerman was her patient. and what was going on in the side bar with lawyers talking to the judge, i want to bring in martin savidge and diane dimond to talk about this is they were talking about what medical testimony can be admitted in terms of the medical record. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: mark o'meara is trying to restrict the information coming in. they will try to say he's not as badly injured as he will try to describe. >> the testimony is resuming....
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zimmerman on top? >> yes. >> reporter: that was not the defense, that was the prosecution talking to that witness. later, the defense did go after her, and she did sort of back off that statement. she said, you know what? now i'm not so sure. so the defense would say that was a win for them. >> marty, thank you very much. >> i want to dig in deeper with our panel. danny, what effect do you think these witnesses had? >> i think they're credible. they don't have a dog in the fight. but what is their final take. if you believe everything they said, where does that get us? somebody screamed. sounded like a boy. not sure. does that take us anywhere, is it probative of any fact in this case? which again, i keep going back to it, in this case, the prosecution has the tremendous burden. not only of beyond a reasonable doubt, but they must disprove zimmerman's self-defense claim and do any of these witnesses get us there? somebody screamed, we can conclude that. but if we don't know who at the end, we're at a d
zimmerman on top? >> yes. >> reporter: that was not the defense, that was the prosecution talking to that witness. later, the defense did go after her, and she did sort of back off that statement. she said, you know what? now i'm not so sure. so the defense would say that was a win for them. >> marty, thank you very much. >> i want to dig in deeper with our panel. danny, what effect do you think these witnesses had? >> i think they're credible. they don't have a...
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>> yes, sir. >> the difference between jeantel and zimmerman is that zimmerman is there. who is more credible? mark fuhrman? >> absolutely. the prosecution's star witness, at every opportunity, she was trying to interject something that she never told anybody ever before, or enhance something that she thought or should be there. and, you know, the credibility of this witness, when we talked today on the radio show, i mean, it is so low, i'm not even sure how the jury could consider this witness. >> what do you think, rod? >> i agree with mark to a certain degree. we also need to understand, sean, it's not jeantel on trial there. it's zimmerman on trial, and as a result, we need to understand we just began this trial and there is a lot more witnesses and evidence. we're not at the point where we should convict nor quit zimmerman. we have a long way to go. >> i agree with you. but give me some evidence, something we know in the public at this point that gets us to second degree murder, because the injuries are consistent with zimmerman's story. >> that's excellent question.
>> yes, sir. >> the difference between jeantel and zimmerman is that zimmerman is there. who is more credible? mark fuhrman? >> absolutely. the prosecution's star witness, at every opportunity, she was trying to interject something that she never told anybody ever before, or enhance something that she thought or should be there. and, you know, the credibility of this witness, when we talked today on the radio show, i mean, it is so low, i'm not even sure how the jury could...
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george zimmerman says what are you talking about? does that sound like language of someone hunting someone down? >> i want to talk about the language they used. let's listen. >> people that you live around and with call white people creepy ass crackers? >> not creepy, but cracker, yeah. >> so the creepy is the pervert part you were talking about? >> yeah. >> forget that for a second. in the culture that you live in, in your community, people call people there call white people crackers? >> yes, sir. >> and do they use the "n" word regularly? >> yes, sir. >> you are saying so did trayvon martin? he referred to people as crackers? >> i don't recall, sir. >> to you, what is the defense trying to do and did they succeed? >> of course they succeeded. i really am at a loss as to how anybody is going to say this was a good day for the prosecution. understand what happens here. you have an audience. your audience is not the people watching tv. your audience is not us here on tv. it's the six people in the jury box. the six people in that jur
george zimmerman says what are you talking about? does that sound like language of someone hunting someone down? >> i want to talk about the language they used. let's listen. >> people that you live around and with call white people creepy ass crackers? >> not creepy, but cracker, yeah. >> so the creepy is the pervert part you were talking about? >> yeah. >> forget that for a second. in the culture that you live in, in your community, people call people there...
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and the neighbor made the call, was going to make the call to zimmerman's wife because zimmerman gets cuffed at the scene. and the neighbor said well zimmerman seemed very calm and said just tell her that i shot somebody. i don't know what that ended up proving or helping the prosecution or not. to me it was not all that exciting that part of it. >> exactly, laura. i agree with everything you have said so far. i think that was totally irrelevant. it doesn't go to prove anything. again what your other getion said helps the defense. doubt now. the defense has been able to show reasonable doubt. some witnesses saying they saw one thing. john good who testified today incidentally the only witness who actually walked outside and saw some the altercation take place say that he saw another. that's built in reasonable doubt. that is a victory for the defense right there and we have to question again, what is the prosecution's strategy? you would have to speculate the reason they put john good on the stand because i too laura, when i put on the television today thought i was watching the defen
and the neighbor made the call, was going to make the call to zimmerman's wife because zimmerman gets cuffed at the scene. and the neighbor said well zimmerman seemed very calm and said just tell her that i shot somebody. i don't know what that ended up proving or helping the prosecution or not. to me it was not all that exciting that part of it. >> exactly, laura. i agree with everything you have said so far. i think that was totally irrelevant. it doesn't go to prove anything. again...
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john good saw martin on top of zimmerman. watch this. >> at that point, could you tell there was one individual there at least or two people? >> i could tell there were two when they were still vertical. >> all right. and you could -- could you tell at that time in terms of describing who was on top and who was on the bottom? >> i could only see colors of clothing. >> the color of clothing on top, what could you see? >> it was dark. >> how about the color of clothing at the bottom. >> i believe it was a light white or red color. >> and are you going from memory, since it was only a matter of seconds, right? >> i don't understand your question. >> my question is, you are not making notes as you are doing this, taking photographs or anything as you are doing this, right? >> no. >> so you -- positions changed. how not faulting him for doing it, however, he clearly scared this kid, the kid ran to get away. doesn't stop. i don't believe he goes back to the car at all. >> you just made an assumption. jump in. >> she made an assumpt
john good saw martin on top of zimmerman. watch this. >> at that point, could you tell there was one individual there at least or two people? >> i could tell there were two when they were still vertical. >> all right. and you could -- could you tell at that time in terms of describing who was on top and who was on the bottom? >> i could only see colors of clothing. >> the color of clothing on top, what could you see? >> it was dark. >> how about the...
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zimmerman on top. and, again, sometimes when testimony is being conducted through an interpreter, some communications can be misconstrued. >> and dana swickle, the other thing about john good, although he did on first blush appear to be better for the defense, he testified to what he thought were punches being thrown. but the defense has all along made the claim that trayvon martin was straddling george zimmerman and banging his head into the ground. we still have not heard any witness so far in these two days of testimony say that they saw that. is that a problem for the defense? >> i don't think so, because when you listen to what he was saying today, the pounding -- you know, the ground and pound, and that he saw his back facing him, and he believed george zimmerman was on the bottom. and then you look at george zimmerman's injuries that are consistent with what that sounds like, if you recall those photos of george zimmerman's head, they look like he got scratches on the back of his head. one could
zimmerman on top. and, again, sometimes when testimony is being conducted through an interpreter, some communications can be misconstrued. >> and dana swickle, the other thing about john good, although he did on first blush appear to be better for the defense, he testified to what he thought were punches being thrown. but the defense has all along made the claim that trayvon martin was straddling george zimmerman and banging his head into the ground. we still have not heard any witness so...
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zimmerman's demeanor, sir? >> coherent, come compliant. >> is that a fair and accurate position as the way trayvon martin's body was positioned. >> as it exits the muzzle of the gun, it burns whatever it hits. >> week one of testimony in the second degree murder trial of george zimmerman. >> state versus george zimmerma zimmerman. >> so this week, the state of florida started its case against george zimmerman for the second degree murder of 17-year-old trayvon martin. zimmerman has pled not guilty, claiming self defense. the prosecution called on one of its key witnesses, 19-year-old rachel jeantel, the last person to talk to trayvon, she says she was on the phone with trayvon, as martin walked to the store from his girlfriend's house. jeantel said martin told her a man was following him. >> i asked him where is he at? he told me he at the back of his fiancee's house, like in the area of where his fiancee's house -- like you going to keep running. he said no, he lost them. >> a second later -- >> a couple of se
zimmerman's demeanor, sir? >> coherent, come compliant. >> is that a fair and accurate position as the way trayvon martin's body was positioned. >> as it exits the muzzle of the gun, it burns whatever it hits. >> week one of testimony in the second degree murder trial of george zimmerman. >> state versus george zimmerma zimmerman. >> so this week, the state of florida started its case against george zimmerman for the second degree murder of 17-year-old...
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zimmerman. i think the question about the injuries that he had, for the prosecution, they need to show these injuries were, in fact, relatively minor and there is blood. blood counts a lot, but that doesn't then mean that they're significant in the sense they were in a life/death struggle as described by mr. zimmerman. i'm surprised that if he was bumping his head as the way they described it you don't have more really deep contusions at the back of his head that were more deep seated as opposed to minor lacerations. but it's still on balance. certainly helps the defense's point of view as to the fact he was in a fight and he was on the bottom and struggling. >> on that point, i found interesting there where they were describing when they found george zimmerman the back of his pants were wet. the back of his shirt was wetter than the front is what that officer said right there. that has to aid the defense and this idea that george zimmerman was on his back sort of defenseless when he reached for
zimmerman. i think the question about the injuries that he had, for the prosecution, they need to show these injuries were, in fact, relatively minor and there is blood. blood counts a lot, but that doesn't then mean that they're significant in the sense they were in a life/death struggle as described by mr. zimmerman. i'm surprised that if he was bumping his head as the way they described it you don't have more really deep contusions at the back of his head that were more deep seated as...
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zimmerman said. so the whole question of whether or not he was in physical danger of dying, he did not get from good. >> well, that's right. he doesn't prove the entirety of the defense position on self-defense. but he does give them some very helpful testimony on the core of it, and that is zimmerman is down, which was corroborated later in the day by police witness who said the back of zimmerman's jacket and pants was wet, much wetter than the front, indicating that he was lying down in the wet grass. >> that doesn't answer my question. whether he was down or up, according to the judge, where do we have that he was in fear, bodily that either physically facing death or that he perceived he was. >> you're absolutely right. >> i think we keep arguing on the media everything but what the law is. where is there testimony that he was facing death or felt he did? >> i'll tell you. we don't have george zimmerman's mental state. that's true. this witness cannot say what was in george zimmerman's mind. only
zimmerman said. so the whole question of whether or not he was in physical danger of dying, he did not get from good. >> well, that's right. he doesn't prove the entirety of the defense position on self-defense. but he does give them some very helpful testimony on the core of it, and that is zimmerman is down, which was corroborated later in the day by police witness who said the back of zimmerman's jacket and pants was wet, much wetter than the front, indicating that he was lying down in...
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zimmerman, he used the "c" word and the "n" word describing mr. zimmerman. you have to go back to the fact that george zimmerman is the person that saw trayvon, described him as suspicious, described him as black, described him as being on drugs or something, and he decided, so the mind-set of george zimmerman is the real initiator of what happened on this night and you have to remember that because you can try to move the ball to trayvon but trayvon was not following george zimmerman. we know that for sure. >> mr. parks thanks for making time for me. i want to take everybody back inside the courtroom as mark o'mara has gone back to asking questions of john good. >> chris serino, the investigator, that was a page and a half, correct? >> i think it was audio. >> telephone and it was transcribed, and another one with fdle that was much longer. >> correct. >> in all of those statements included some facts that were added to one or just not added to the other, correct? it's because of the way the questions were being asked? >> i don't know about facts but they n
zimmerman, he used the "c" word and the "n" word describing mr. zimmerman. you have to go back to the fact that george zimmerman is the person that saw trayvon, described him as suspicious, described him as black, described him as being on drugs or something, and he decided, so the mind-set of george zimmerman is the real initiator of what happened on this night and you have to remember that because you can try to move the ball to trayvon but trayvon was not following george...
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to george zimmerman. this is the first time i've ever heard that. she said trayvon martin said he was being followed, that he was concerned about it. she heard the phone dropping. she heard the sound of wet grass. the last thing she heard from trayvon martin was, get off, get off. >> lisa, besides the racial epithet revelation, what else was new in her testimony about that altercation between trayvon martin and george zimmerman? >> well, there was certainly a lot more information from her than we have heard before. we knew from court papers that she was going to say that trayvon martin said he was being followed and that he was concerned. but they had a fairly lengthy conversation about it. she says trayvon martin told her repeatedly that this man was following him. she says trayvon used the phrase "creepy ass cracker" to describe george zimmerman. she said that he said why is he looking at me, i'm trying to lose him, the man is following me. he used the "n" word to describe george zimmerman and said he's
to george zimmerman. this is the first time i've ever heard that. she said trayvon martin said he was being followed, that he was concerned about it. she heard the phone dropping. she heard the sound of wet grass. the last thing she heard from trayvon martin was, get off, get off. >> lisa, besides the racial epithet revelation, what else was new in her testimony about that altercation between trayvon martin and george zimmerman? >> well, there was certainly a lot more information...
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zimmerman. >>> good morning. i'm chris jansing on what is turning out to be one of the busiest news days we've seen in a very long time. first, decision day at the supreme court. four major cases left on the docket. we could get rulings on same-sex marriage, affirmative action and voting rights in just moments. we do have pete williams at the courtroom and a panel of experts standing by. the zimmerman trial begins. opening statements going on right now. edward snowden on the run while frantic diplomatic efforts are going on as we speak. where he's headed and what might be next. this is a major day for immigration as the senate is planning to vote this afternoon on a crucial border security agreement. this could be the first step toward comprehensive immigration reform. and finally, we will be checking in on nelson mandela after word came late yesterday that his condition has taken a turn. this morning, he remains in critical condition in south africa. want to let you know we are keeping our eye as well on wall st
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like zimmerman's neighbor, that man, who said it looked like a mixed martial arts fight with zimmerman taking a beating. he actually witnessed the fight between martin and zimmerman. >> what you saw was the person on top in an mma-style straddle position, correct? >> correct. >> that was further described, was it not, as being ground and pound? >> correct. >> right? what is ground and pound as you -- >> that's usually what takes place in that type of position. >> explain what ground and pound is in your mind. >> the person on top being able to punch the person on the bottom, but the person on the bottom also has a chance to get out or punch the person on top. it's back and forth. >> sure. and which is the dominant position? >> it would be the top position. >> cnn's legal correspondent jean casarez is outside the courthouse? sanford, florida. john good also testified it appeared george zimmerman was on the bottom, trayvon martin was straddling him and there was downward movement from trayvon martin's shoulder. coupled with what we just heard, some might say this was a devastating day fo
like zimmerman's neighbor, that man, who said it looked like a mixed martial arts fight with zimmerman taking a beating. he actually witnessed the fight between martin and zimmerman. >> what you saw was the person on top in an mma-style straddle position, correct? >> correct. >> that was further described, was it not, as being ground and pound? >> correct. >> right? what is ground and pound as you -- >> that's usually what takes place in that type of...
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george zimmerman's neighbor says she's not sure she heard screaming seconds before zimmerman shot trayvon martin. that woman one of the neighbors who took the stands today in zimmerman's murder trial. they say they heard the fight that ended in gunfire. at issue, and critical to this case, is exactly who was screaming for help. was it trayvon martin or george zimmerman? if in fact it was george zimmerman it could go a long way in boosting his claims he fired in self-defense. >> he said that it was difficult for you to -- you said it was difficult to identify the screaming voice as that of george zimmerman, correct. >> yeah, i couldn't tell whose voice that was. >> have you ever heard george zimmerman scream like the person was screaming that night? >> no. >> could those screams have come from somebody who was having a -- objection. speculation. >> the judge threw out that question, but not before the defense attorney was able to make his point. trace gallagher is live with more on this. trace, the woman on the stand was the closest shoul to the sh. >> yeah, she is. she lives on the corner
george zimmerman's neighbor says she's not sure she heard screaming seconds before zimmerman shot trayvon martin. that woman one of the neighbors who took the stands today in zimmerman's murder trial. they say they heard the fight that ended in gunfire. at issue, and critical to this case, is exactly who was screaming for help. was it trayvon martin or george zimmerman? if in fact it was george zimmerman it could go a long way in boosting his claims he fired in self-defense. >> he said...
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zimmerman if he had cut his hair in the past 14 hours? >> i had not asked that question. >> if i may have a moment, your honor. >> all right. while the defense attorneys are consulting amongst themselves, let's bring in sunny hostin. it looks like a pretty powerful cross-examination for mark o'meara making the case that trayvon martin was beating up. hold on for a moment, think about that. let listen in. >> thank you. any redirect? >> you mentioned something that i was curious about in talking about the shape of the head. >> yes. >> i guess we all think the head is perfectly shaped, our skull. is that always true? >> it's not necessarily always true. >> tell me a little bit about that if you would. >> everybody's head shape is completely different. obviously most people don't notice because they have hair on their head so it depends on what that may look like, but everybody can have certain abnormalities of the skull. >> so in other words, people may have a bump there just preexisting and it may not be caused by trauma? >> it could be, co
zimmerman if he had cut his hair in the past 14 hours? >> i had not asked that question. >> if i may have a moment, your honor. >> all right. while the defense attorneys are consulting amongst themselves, let's bring in sunny hostin. it looks like a pretty powerful cross-examination for mark o'meara making the case that trayvon martin was beating up. hold on for a moment, think about that. let listen in. >> thank you. any redirect? >> you mentioned something that i...
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zimmerman said in one of his earlier calls. he said this in august of 2011. >> if you'll let the officers know, they typically run away quickly. and i think they head over to the neighborhood, the next neighborhood over. so you may want to send a unit over to columbia cove. >> what's it called? >> calabria cove. >> all right. i'll let them know. they are on their way. okay? >> okay, thanks. >> thank you, bye-bye. >> now, it's "they" again. we don't know if it's "they" this time or one person. but "always get away." is that important to prove the charge? >> absolutely. a key element in a second degree murder charge is zimmerman had some kind of ill will, depraved mind. indifference, an attitude towards trayvon. he reflected on that attitude when he followed him and killed him. and the prosecutors are going to argue because of his past experiences with people getting away, he had reached a boiling point with trayvon. and this was going to be one of those times where he was not going to let the person get away this time. >> now, k
zimmerman said in one of his earlier calls. he said this in august of 2011. >> if you'll let the officers know, they typically run away quickly. and i think they head over to the neighborhood, the next neighborhood over. so you may want to send a unit over to columbia cove. >> what's it called? >> calabria cove. >> all right. i'll let them know. they are on their way. okay? >> okay, thanks. >> thank you, bye-bye. >> now, it's "they" again. we...
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zimmerman on top. and, again, sometimes when testimony is being conducted through an interpreter, some communications can be misconstrued. >> and dana swickle, the other thing about john good, although he did on first blush appear to be better for the defense, he testified to what he thought were punches being thrown. but the defense has all along made the claim that trayvon martin was straddling george zimmerman and banging hi head into the ground. we still have not heard any witness so far in these two days of testimony say that they saw that. is that a problem for the defense? >> i don't think so, because when you listen to what he was saying today, the pounding -- you know, the ground and pound, and that he saw his back facing him, and he believed george zimmerman was on the bottom. and then you look at george zimmerman's injuries that are consistent with what that sounds like, if you recall those photos of george zimmerman's head, they look like he got scratches on the back of his head. one could
zimmerman on top. and, again, sometimes when testimony is being conducted through an interpreter, some communications can be misconstrued. >> and dana swickle, the other thing about john good, although he did on first blush appear to be better for the defense, he testified to what he thought were punches being thrown. but the defense has all along made the claim that trayvon martin was straddling george zimmerman and banging hi head into the ground. we still have not heard any witness so...
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>> for zimmerman. here is someone you could have knocked out of the park and brought out those inconsistencies and said you lied when you said you didn't go to the wake because you were at the hospital. 1k3* now you are saying it is because you didn't want to see the body like that. frankly drive it home that you have an agenda here and this is what you have done. >> the coverage will continue streaming on fox news.com. we will have coverage tonight on fox report. a lot of big news today. the supreme court acting on the defense of marriage act and proposition 8 in california with big victories for same-sex marriage proponents. aaron hernandez, the tightened for the new england patriots now charged with murder. full coverage on that on fox report. roger federer and maria sharapova knocked out of whim del done today. wimbledon today. federer, the defending champion knocked out by number 116 in the world in the second round. the dow is up 150 points and extendinged in's moves. what a news day. see you on
>> for zimmerman. here is someone you could have knocked out of the park and brought out those inconsistencies and said you lied when you said you didn't go to the wake because you were at the hospital. 1k3* now you are saying it is because you didn't want to see the body like that. frankly drive it home that you have an agenda here and this is what you have done. >> the coverage will continue streaming on fox news.com. we will have coverage tonight on fox report. a lot of big news...
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i know you had wanted the zimmerman parents to -- george zimmerman's parents to be able to be in the courtroom. they won't be until they have testified. >> this is a tragedy for both families. i've said that sense the first day we talked. and the victim's family, mr. martin's family has a right to be in the courtroom, and as long as they act appropriately, that they should stay there. obviously, there are things that we do that are somewhat insensitive to a family that has lost a loved one, and if they need to leave the courtroom because of that, i'm fine. what i don't want is any type of maneuver or show boating or something that would suggest to try to impact on that jury. as long as they stay away from negative impact on the jury, both the martin side and the zimmerman side, we'll have a good, just verdict based only on the evidence. >> it's probably too early to ask this, and you probably wouldn't answer it if you did know, but have you planned to have george zimmerman take the stand? >> that's a dynamic decision we have to make. the prosecution has to prove this case and that ge
i know you had wanted the zimmerman parents to -- george zimmerman's parents to be able to be in the courtroom. they won't be until they have testified. >> this is a tragedy for both families. i've said that sense the first day we talked. and the victim's family, mr. martin's family has a right to be in the courtroom, and as long as they act appropriately, that they should stay there. obviously, there are things that we do that are somewhat insensitive to a family that has lost a loved...