trayvon martin's blood on his. forever. let me give you one more old saying. may be the most important one you're going to hear. that is, to the living we owe respect. but to the dead, we owe the truth. on behalf of the state of florida, i submit to you that trayvon benjamin martin is entitled to the truth and it didn't come from the defense mouth. it didn't. he told so many lies. that's why we're here. by the end of the night, that is what was in trayvon martin's heart the defense attorney said what evidence is there that the defendant followed trayvon martin after he said okay. he challenged the state. well, i've got an answer. what happened after 19:13:43 when that defendant hung up with sean noffke, and 19:15:44 when rachl jon tell rachel jeantel heard the thump and the end of trayvon martin's life. the defense attorney gave us a nice demonstration of what happens in four minutes. well, what was that defendant doing for those two minutes? watch the walk-through again. watch it. when -- because he tells you exac

, trayvon martin and sabrina fulton. test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test . >> we are just heartbroken really right now. we ask that you keep them in your prayers. >> george zimmerman has been silent. but it was mark o'mara, his lawyer, that spoke out. >> we are ecstatic with tehe results, george zimmerman was never guilty. i am glad the jury saw it that way. >> and this is really not the end for george zimmerman as we have been talking about this on the panel the last hour. there could be other charges against zimmerman? >> yes, that is absolutely right. there has been a request by the naacp that there be an investigation into the possibility of civil rights violation, the breaking of civil rights, trayvon martin, due to george zimmerman's actions. the department of justice says they have been investigating and will continue to look into that. and they want people to be sure that they're looking into that, that is ongoing. meanwhile, president obama has weighed in. remembe

>>> trayvon martin! trayvon martin! >> in california marching, chanting in support of trayvon martin. there have been marches and rallies going on all day and into the night throughout the country that does it for this edition of "360." our special report. join us tomorrow night at 8:00 and 10:00 eastern and the day's other top stories. thanks for watching. morgan spurlock's "inside man" is next. >> trayvon, fight the man, we can, we can. trayvon, fight the man, we can, we can. >>> mmm, delicious orange juice. we all drink it. but do you ever think about where it comes from? these people do. they're undocumented immigrants, and they know where it comes from, because they pick the oranges that are in it. they also pick the tomatoes in your salad, mow your lawns, clean your hotel rooms, hang your drywall. even help raise your children. right now there is an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in this country today. >> it was possible for 11 million illegals to come here. why is it impossible for them to le

if you don't believe that trayvon martin saw the gun, if you don't believe that trayvon martin can get to the gun, that calls into question the entire self-defense argument that they're making to the jury. and keep this in mind. the prosecution, once the defense raises self-defense, the prosecution has to prove under florida law that beyond a reasonable doubt, there was no self-defense. so the burden shifts to the prosecution once self-defense is raised by the defense. but make no mistake about it. the law is like mud. this jury is going to hear this law from this court, and they're going to be like every jury. they're going to have a hard time going through it, because lawyers can't even agree what that gobbledygook means when the judge reads that law to that jury. >> faith, having said that, and about seeing the gun or grabbing for the gun, let me show you some of what john guy laid out in terms of the inconsistencies and tell me whether that addresses some of that from the prosecution's standpoint. >> sean knoffke told me to get an address. that didn't happen. listen to the tapes. l

trayvon martin's parents were not present. later on twitter, his father, tracy martin, tweeted -- the teen's mother tweeted -- civil rights groups are calling on the justice department to file civil rights charges against zimmerman. the petition launched by the naacp gathered more than 225,000 signatures in the first few hours after zimmerman was acquitted, temporarily causing the groups website to crash. the justice department responded sunday that it is continuing to evaluate evidence from an ongoing federal probe, as well as evidence from the state trial, and that -- experience federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation o." president obama said meanwhile, former presidential advisor, van jones, tweeted an image of after martin luther king wearing a hoodie like the one worn by trayvon martin. heard fromnses were the streets, as protests were held across the country. in los angeles, protester shut down the 10 freeway for 20 minutes. in new york, thousands gathered sunday in union

do you feel sorry for trayvon martin? >>> can you tell me, just a little bit about that last day in the jury room, deliberating? i mean, you went for so long. did you know you were close? >> we knew we were close. we knew we were close five hours before we got to where we were, because we were slowly making progress, the entire time. we didn't come to a stumbling block. we were just reading and reading and reading and reading and reading. and knew we were progressing. >> and did the jurors -- did you all get along well? was there conflict? was there -- how did the deliberation process -- how was being together this long? >> the deliberation was -- it was tough. we all, pretty much, get along. at times i thought, we might have a hung jury, because one of them said they were going to leave. and we convinced them, though, you can't leave. you can't do this. you have been in this too long to walk out now. >> did you cry in that jury room? >> i cried after the verdict. i didn't cry out when they were reading the verdict out in

if that defendant thought he missed trayvon martin, thought trayvon martin was still alive so much so that he had to get on his back, splip him over, spread his arms out, why would he stop yelling for help. why? if he was in fear. does that make any sense? of course not. if he was yelling that loud and that long, would he have sounded the way he sounded on the recordings. he wouldn't have had a strained voice if that he was him? really. that's why common sense is so important. it's not a complicated case. it's a common sense indication and it's not a case about self-defense. it's a case about self-denial. george zimmerman. the common sense that tells you if he was the neighborhood watch coordinator, not anyone, the coordinator who lived there for four years he'd know the name of twin trees lane. the common sense that tells you if he was so afraid of the real suspicious guy with his hands in his waistband, he'd never have got out of the car. that's not what happened. the common sense that tells you if he really was soft, didn't know how to fight, in his own words he wouldn't have been

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trayvon martin was fit. the fight wasn't fair. have a look at how he showed us what the fight was like. take a look at john guy with the demonstration. that you're going to see a lot of. >> you recognize this as being a human type figure? right? >> yes, sir. >> okay. it's actually got a belly button. >> it surely does. >> does it appear to be anatomically correct. >> for the belly button, yes, sir. >> so as the defendant described it to you, is this the way he described it in the area of the belly button. >> what's important right now, number one you've got your knees up pretty high on his waist. slide down just a little bit more. there you go. have a squat. i can't see your crotch, but in the area of his belly button. >> here's his belly button. am i in the area. >> yes, sir. >> did you have the defendant do this? >> no, sir. >> when you talked to him. >> no, sir. >> you didn't have him do that? >> no, sir. >> if this person, this mannequin were carrying a firearm on their waist, where would the gun be right now in relation to me

>> correct. >> about trayvon martin sort of saying something to him. did that seem unusual to you that someone shot can still say something? >> yes. that's very, very common unless you're shot in the wind pipe, in the vocal cords you would be able to talk for six to eight seconds. >> george zimmerman said he held his hands away from his body. >> he had got off of george, laid down on the grass and george jumped on top of him to pin his hands down. to try to solicit help from people around. >> trayvon martin may have fought them back under him. is that the way it was presented to you. >> speculation. >> no. >> did george zimmerman even know to talk to you about the fact that trayvon martin's hands were found back under his body. >> i didn't know that fact. >> he didn't see any need to explain that to you? >> correct. >> objection. >> let's talk about your recounting -- you said you heard a story the next day. any differences in what we talked about so far? >> none. >> who was that discussed with or in front of? >> my wife and his wife. >> was it differe

not guilty in the murder of trayvon martin. the jury of six women all women, five of six were in fact mothers >>> breaking news. frustration and anger over the verdict in the george zimmerman murder trial. and a very big game for tim lincecum. a first for his career. and the shocking death tonight of one of the stars of "glee."

for trayvon martin. we want justice and we want it now for trayvon martin. >> reporter: twitter exploded with 48,000 tweets a minute immediately after the verdict. two days later 6 million tweets and counting have been sent, revealing a deeply conflicted nation. conservative pundit ann coulter came down in support of the verdict, saying "hallelujah." new york giants wide receiver victor cruz tweeted and then deleted. zimmerman doesn't last a year until the hood catches up to him. >> are you concerned for george's safety? >> yes, i do. >> yes? why? what do you think could happen? >> it's a lot of death threats you know in the social media. you know, death threats on him. that i'm concerned. not only for georgie but for, you know, the whole family. >> reporter: in such a charged atmosphere even george's parents, robert and gladys zimmerman, have received death threats. >> can you give me some idea of what some of the threats have been? >> everyone with george's dna should be killed. just every kind of horr

if it was george zimmerman's voice, if trayvon martin and he got into an altercation, and trayvon really was smashing his head into the concrete and he really was screaming out and genuinely feared his life might be in danger, would that give him justification for taking the action that he did. >> i think that's strong justification for self-acquittal. on the other hand i think if you feel that it was trayvon martin yelling out and screaming, it's a very different case. >> here's the problem, we just don't know that. we're not going to know that, we're not going to know so many things about this, the only two people who know, one is dead, trayvon martin. and one is george zimmerman, fighting for his -- not for his life, but fighting for his freedom. either way, he could be found guilty of manslaughter and still get 20 years because trayvon was 17 years old. >> that's very true, and that may be justice in the case, you're absolutely right, it's a circumstantial case, the evidence is circumstantial. the evidence is really what story you believe. the defense is telling a very different stor

one, trayvon martin is dead. two, george zimmerman intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of trayvon martin. goenlgz cannot be guilty of manslaughter or committing a merely negligent act or if the killing was either justifiable or excusable homicide. >> technically could be a debate going on between manslaughter and second degree, could be a debate between manslaughter and acquittal. >> in the circuit court of the 18th judicial circuit in and for seminole county, florida, state of florida versus george zimmerman. verdict, we, the jury, find george zimmerman not guilty. >> completely shocked. utter shock. i cannot believe he was not found guilty. >> obviously we are ecstatic with the results. george zimmerman was never guilty of anything except protecting himself in self-defense. i'm glad the jury saw it that way. >> i am gratified by the jury's verdict as happy as i am for george zimmerman. i'm thrilled that this jury kept this tragedy from becoming a travesty. for that we are eternally grat

michael, you are a part of trayvon martin foundation. you have your trayvon martin shirt on. you know the family very well. talk about how they will get to the structures. what are the practical things that foundation, the family, the parents want to do and want the people who care about them to do. >> sure. i think if we look at the past 24 hours and pain and sadness that so many of us feel and so much anger that many of us feel as well. we look at the past 17 months. for the past 17 months we mobilized millions of people around this country to stand up against the laws and say no more. for the first time in eight years, in 2012, not one new law of stand your ground type of law was passed in any state in this nation. that is because the great leadership of is a bresabrina a. if i could just touch on the humanity of trayvon martin and the legacy they want it to leave for their son. before, black men and women were killed and we didn't know their names. now trayvon martin's name is on t-shirts, billboards, twitter feeds. jordan davis was killed. we know his killed. then hadea

trayvon martin didn't kill himself. and who's responsible for the state not being able to ask trayvon martin to step forward so i could put my hand on his shoulder, wow, i would love to do that. who is responsible for that? and trayvon martin, is not, was not, will never be a piece of cardboard. to the living we owe respect but to the dead we owe the truth. it probably seems like a year ago that we were all in here, one by one, and then as a group in jury selection. one question got a smile from everybody but it's important. when the attorneys asked you, do you understand, it's not like it. v? it was an important question because it's not. and now you know. it's not like it. v. where all the witnesses are well-dressed, well-educated, actors and actresses. there are no rachel jeantel's on csi. and they don't call. they don't call people like kristin benson who found nothing and a from time to time on the gun like "law & order." it is not like that in real life. in real life, we give you everything. the good, the bad, the

martin out of hatred. >> trayvon martin was murdered. in the back of two sets of town homes, there's no street lighting back there. there's no pole lights. there were one or two porch lights on. >> george zimmerman is not guilty of murder. he shot trayvon martin in self-defense after being viciously attacked. >> reporter: but if the prosecutors see their case slipping away, there is another option that could still put zimmerman behind bars for years. if requested, and allowed by the judge, the prosecutors can ask the jury to consider lesser charges, like aggravated assault, which still carries the potential for decades in prison, due to a florida state statute called the 10-20 life law. it's dubbed the "use a gun and you're done" law after a popular pfa campaign that newly elected governor jeb bush championed and signed into law back in 1999. it means that with certain crimes in the state of florida, if you use a gun, you'll face enhanced time in prison or mandatory minimum sentences. like ten years for showing a gun. 20 years for firing

the trayvon martin foundation went on to say that trayvon martin cannot rest in peace if there is not peace in the streets lets switch gears now and check in with janu for your good morning janu. with buster with the view from the golden gate bridge care and you can see it is eighth on a the staff this mornina are this is default oute this morniit is already foggy oe this morning >> 60s along the coastal areas appeared 7 is for the bay shore spirit >> the afternoon highs will be into the 90s in some parts appeared >> to the cheers this afternoon temperatures will cool off into the '60s and '70s. >> afternoon highs low 90s in antioch brentwood and livermore appeared >> mid '80s for danville. >> 91 degrees was caught us napping while for morgan hill. 91 degrees for morgan hill. >> 80 in fremont. >> partly cloudy conditions 64 in ocean beach pier >> 64 in half moon bay. >> plenty of sun shine for the north bay. >> the seven days we will continue to fill cooling in to the low 80s. >> '90s as we head into next week. >> back to you. >> new this morning. investigating the shooting death of a

that's how he saw trayvon martin. that's how you see trayvon martin, a horrible nasty thug that got what is coming to him. there is no evidence of that. let me give the final word to reverend walker, this is a problem reverend walker that it's such a dividing issue -- >> absolutely -- >> there is no sensible calm debate about this. it reminds me of the gun control debate, which is so extreme on all sides. >> absolutely. >> how do you see a way through? you're at the cutting edge -- >> piers -- >> no, no, reverend walker is talking now, sir. >> i'm trying to talk. thank you very much, piers. i think what we are heard today is exactly what you're talking about, people talking at each other and not really listening. we have young people in our community here in rocks bury who will take this to the next level. this is a movement. if you're upset about this, if you have a point to ever about this -- >> this is not a movement. >> yes, it is. it is a movement -- >> people are going to this next generation -- >> trayvon -- >>

in other words, trayvon martin is the victim. trayvon martin was going about his business. he went to the liquor store to get iced tea and skittles for his nephew, and he was zoned in to watch the all-star game. he is talking to rachel jeantel, make sure the game is on. he is going about his business, certainly not engaged in any kind of behavior that would justify suspicion. you can see he is focused on getting home. it is a rainy night. he is not trying to scope out the neighborhood, that he was trying to burglarize, he is zoned in on getting home, watching the all-star game, getting skittles to his nephew is not somebody casing the joint, looking to rob somebody, who started this fight? george zimmerman. >> to the point of what happened in that fight. and we don't have george zimmerman taking the witness stand to testify or get cross examined and we obviously cannot have trayvon martin. the prosecution went to the medical evidence and blood stains, where is the blood? why is there no blood? >> you you recall one of the things we talked about. i think one of the witnesses

an unknown trayvons. >> benjamin crump, attorney for trayvon martin's family. thanks so much for reminding us grief may be reasonable but despair is unacceptable when this family refuses to be in despair. thank you. >> up next a closer look at this case and the role of race in this case. i'm going to bring my panel in. what if george zimmerman was an african-american man. that was his attorney actually asked that question last night. oh man. gotta think fast, herbie. back pedal, back pedal. [ crowd cheering ] oh, he's down in flames and now the ice-cold shoulder. one last play... no, game over! gps take him to the dog house. [ male announcer ] make a powerful first impression. the all-new nissan sentra. ♪ the all-new nissan sentra. resoft would be great, but we really just need "kid-proof." softsprings got both, let me show you. right over here. here, feel this. wow, that's nice. wow. the soft carpets have never been this durable. you know i think we'll take it. get kid-friendly toughness and feet-friendly softness, without walking all over your budget. he di

you and trayvon martin. >> yes. it depends what you're talking about. >> you didn't have the same friends, correct? >> no. >> if you were to go out somewhere you may have gone out to do something with your friends and he may have gone out with his friends. >> correct. >> as brothers you said you would do things together. you didn't run in the same circles, did you? >> no. >> you didn't interact with him on facebook. >> not really, no. >> nor on twitter. >> no. >> but you did interact with your other friends and on the social media sites, correct? >> occasionally, yes. >> may i have a moment, your honor? >> you may. >> when tracy martin left the home he got remarried, didn't he? >> some years later, yes. >> was trayvon martin spending -- the new wife was alicia, correct? >> yes. >> did you spend a lot of time with your dad at that house? >> yes. >> and did trayvon martin spend time there? >> yes. >> he was more living there in the last few years, wasn't he? >> not really. >> what do you mean by that? >> well, when? l

he is well spoken and looks like trayvon martin. i think he would be a wonderful witness for the state. i wouldn't be surprised if he would be called. >> you think -- >> to identify his brother's voice. >> do you think that is why he would be called to identify his brother's voice. >> absolutely. when i interviewed him he talked about how close they were and they even shared a room. if anyone recalls his voice it would be his brother. if you have his brother and mother saying the same thing you have the benefit of having the brother and mother who looks like trayvon martin who goes to college, looks like your frd guy. i think that will carry a lot of weight with the jury. >> more ahead. i want to get the panel's take on this what the prosecution needs to do and the breaking news in egypt. the country a powder keg as the u.s. embassy ordered nonessential personnel to evacuate. the situation is extremely fluid. an update ahead. what makes a sleep number what makes a sleep number store different? you walk into a conventional mattress s

that trayvon martin is dead? do you believe this was just kind of a struggle or an argument or a discussion or a fight that just kind of got out of hand? perhaps, but who started this? who followed who? who was minding their own business? and, again, of the two who was the one that was armed? and who knew they were armed? i hope you can see that from there. and i've got it too, it's a time line. and it's going to kind of tell you a little bit about what happened there. it's a time line showing the phone call. and you'll be able to take it back there. it's in evidence. but it's a time line showing the phone call between rachel jeantel and trayvon martin. and it's color coded so you can decipher it. you know, i'm old and getting used to now the computer systems, but hopefully it makes sense. but you also have is -- you also have george zimmerman's calls, the exact time in terms of collectively call. and you have ms. jeantel talked about losing contact and you have the call. and i was able to tell you as to when the

martin savidge starts us off. >> reporter: though the symbol to many, the hooded sweatshirt trayvon martin wore the night he was killed is also a key piece of evidence. the state expert said he found no trace of george zimmerman's dna on that sweatshirt, not each on the sleeves or cuffs nearest to the fist the defendant says trayvon martin was hitting him with. and no zimmerman dna was found on martin's fingernails. what about martin's dna, was it found on the gun which by one zimmerman account, the teen actually reached for and touched. >> a swab or the dna that you developed from the pistol grip of the defendant's gun, it was positive for blood, correct? >> yes. >> and then there was a mixture, the major was matched to the defendant, george zimmerman? >> yes. >> and you were able to exclude trayvon martin as having dna on the pistol grip, is that correct? >> yes. trayvon martin was excluded as being a possible contributor to this mixture on the grip. >> reporter: the hoody was also tested by a firearms expert who said zimmerman's gun was actually touching the fabric when he fired the fat

. >>> trayvon martin, a reluctant witness. good evening. welcome to another special report, self-defense or murder, the george zimmerman trial. the judge this afternoon allowing attorneys for george zimmerman to introduce evidence that trayvon martin had thc in his system, the active ingredient in marijuana when he died. how significant that is remains to be seen. prosecutors fought hard to keep the evidence out, calling it a back doorway of tarnishing trayvon martin's character in the eyes of the jury. zimmerman's drug use has always come up showing that he was on anxiety and sleep medications on the night of the shooting. and also powerful testimony as well. a lot to get to in the hour ahead. martin savidge reports. >> reporter: it was another remarkable moment. the father of trayvon martin taking the stand, questioned by the taken defending the killer of his son. earlier two police investigators testified that just days after the shooting, they played tracy martin the 911 call containing screams and a gunshot from that night. both said t

he also had a right to see where trayvon martin was. people want to say that it was improper profiling. the reality is, with the circumstances that night and circumstances unrelated to trayvon martin, i think george had a reason to be concerned. when they met, it was trayvon martin who was the aggressor, at least by the forensic evidence, because trayvon martin did not receive any injuries but the gunshot wound 45 seconds after george zimmerman was screaming for help. >> perhaps many people don't equate what happens to you when you get beat up with the proper justification for taking someone's life. >> and that's a frustration that people have, and i share it with them. in this case, they had to look inside george zimmerman's head as he was on the ground with somebody unknown on top of him, doing basically whatever they were doing to him and him not returning any blows. >> does george zimmerman regret having to take trayvon martin's life, having to kill him that night? >> absolutely. absolutely. he's human. he did not want to take any p

>> trayvon benjamin martin. >> georgy. >> my brother. >> trayvon's? >> yes. >> there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that is george zimmerman. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >> if this person, this mannequin, were carrying a firearm on their waist, where would the gun be right now in relation to me? >> would be at your left inner thigh. >> were the injuries on mr. zimmerman's back of his head consistent with someone doing this? on cement. >> i don't think so. >> why does this defendant get out of the car if he thinks that trayvon martin is a threat to him? why? because he's got a gun! equalizer. he's going to take care of it. he's a want to be cop. >> the person that decided that this is going to continue, said it was going to be violent was the guy that didn't go home when he had the chance to. i almost wish that the verdict had guilty, not guilty and completely innocent because i would ask you to check for that one. you have to check the not guilty. check the innocent then, too. >> trayvon martin may not have the defe

martin say, get off, get off. >> trayvon martin was on top? >> correct. >> he was the one that was raining blows down on george zimmerman? >> that is what it looked like. >> do you think there is anything wrong following him where he was going? >> your son trayvon martin would not have done anything. >> i hope for this would never have happened. >> i can't say it. i want to go out there and see what is going on. there is screaming. >> do you know whose voice that was screaming in the background? >> yes. >> whose voice? >> my son. >> who do you recognize that to be, ma'am? >> trayvon benjamin martin. >> who is that? >> my brother. there is no doubt in my mind that is george zimmerman. >> just consulting with counsel. >> this mannequin were carrying a firearm, where would be the gun be in relation to me? >> it would be at your left center thigh. >> would the injury consistent with someone doing this? >> i don't think so. >> why did the defendant get out of the car and he sensed trayvon martin? because he had a gun. he has an equalizer. he is goi

he says trayvon martin of the actual attack, trayvon martin straddles him and then repeatedly pounds his head into the ground, and repeatedly throws blows into his face. but the injuries are not consistent with that there is -- there are lacerations, a couple of small ones on the back of zimmerman's head. but those are consistent with someone who gets knocked down, hits their head. it's not consistent with someone who is getting pounded repeatedly into the ground. and i'm sorry, but the injury to the nose is not consistent with someone raining blows down on him, which was described by zimmerman as well as by the witness. in addition, zimmerman says, claims that trayvon martin's holding him down, and then holding his nose in his mouth at some point. but he is able to peel trayvon martin's hand away, and free his other hand to pull out the gun that doesn't sound like overpowered. plus, one more thing, reverend, one more thing i got to say this. is a semiautomatic. this means that the safety has to have been off at the time he pulls the trigger. he pulled the safety off. you know, he is

martin, or did he park, get out and was immediately confronted by trayvon martin or he confronted trayvon martin depending on who you believe. but this testimony is pretty con voluntary lieutenant convoluted, and just as we're wondering about the significance of this testimony, the jury probably is, too. >> sure. the defense is trying to define precisely where the vehicle is parked. she originally suggested it's in one road, but we hear the defense attorney there trying to suggest the vehicle may have been parked on a different route, on twin peaks road. why is he trying to suggest that that may be where the vehicle was parked? >> well, for the defense, it's all about corroborating george zimmerman's story. and we understand that the truck was not secured by law enforcement. it may have been moved, and therefore, where the truck ended up may not have been where zimmerman parked it. again, depending on who you believe in this case. so the defense is just using this witness to get this little piece of information. >> lisa bloom, thank you very much. the prosecution is now cross examining el

up next is on msnbc special on president obama and trayvon martin. good night. >>> if trayvon martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? >> the president, the zimmerman trial and race. >> trayvon martin could have been me. >> literally we all looked up and there was the president. >> unannounced the president walking into the briefing room. >> it was regarding the george zimmerman trial. >> he simply gave us the world view of trayvon martin and parents of trayvon martin. >> the african-american community is looking at this issue fthrough a set of experiences. >> one stunning moment, he said, trayvon martin could have been me. >> another way of sating that, trayvon martin could have been me. >> this might not have been the right politics. >> we have a polarized country. >> given how polarizing the conversation has been. >> in spite of that the president clearly decided, you know what, this is too important. >> you can't underestimate how huge this is. >> he just showed up in the briefing room and spoke from the heart

is that the same as no trayvon martin? >> no. and we don't know who that is, we don't know if it's a cop. you know what, if this is what the state has, this is the kind of evidence that says to a jury they don't have a case. they are used to seeing csi. >> well, they have a case. they've been putting a case on. >> i don't know. a lot of people would say every single one of these witnesses has been defense witnesses and the state is merely putting all the evidence in front of the jury and letting them acquit george zimmerman. >> isn't that a brilliant maneuver, put it front of the jury and let the jury decide. it's the way it's supposed to work. midwin charles, when i watch hours upon hours of a dna expert, sometimes my eyes cross. you and i get to see it all the time, so we know what's coming. these jurors might be seeing it for the first time. is it too much for them to grasp the critical aspects of it? >> well, i think juries take their jobs seriously when they go over this kind of evidence, and i think that the language that i

like what about trayvon martin's family. i think that is an understandable feeling but it doesn't mean that the law wasn't followed, everything was legal. >> every trial comes down to a simple question. can the state prove its case. and is there reasonable doubt the state hasn't proved this case. this very specific case, you can point to the prosecution. every lawyer we interviewed said the same thing, they did not make the case. >> even in the few weeks prior to the verdict, all signs point to not guilty. if you're reading the tea leaves, the prosecution simply was basing itself on emotion. former prosecutor criminal snyder and defense attorney richard hornsby. who we be surprised, richard, this turned out the way it did? >> no. i think if you talked to anybody that works in the criminal justice system as a criminal lawyer, prosecutor or defense attorney, the reasonable doubt was always there. there was never really a question in most criminal defense lawyer's minds about whether he would be found not guilty. it's not reall

do you feel sorry for trayvon martin? >>> can you tell me just a little bit about that last day in the jury room deliberating, i mean you went so long. did you know you were close? >> we knew we were close. we knew we were close five hours before we got to where we were, because we were slowly making progress the entire time. we didn't come to a stumbling block. we were just reading and reading and reading and reading and knew we were progressing. >> did the jurors, did you all get along well? was there conflict? how did the deliberation process, how was being together this long? >> the deliberation, it was tough. we all pretty much get along. at times i thought we might have a hung jury, because one of them said they were going to leave and we convinced them no, you can't leave. you can't do this. you have been in this too long to walk out now. >> did you cry in that jury room? >> i cried after the verdict. i didn't cry out when they were reading the verdict out in the jury room. because we were all crying before we went

martin, claiming that trayvon martin grabbed for his gun. i want to play a little bit of that testimony. >> as you stated, the defendant told you that the victim, trayvon martin, grabbed his gun, correct. >> yes, grabbed for his gun. >> he didn't -- >> the gun didn't come out. but he grabbed the gun in the holster. >> the defendant didn't tell you he grabbed for it, he said he actually got it? >> that's what i thought i heard, yes. >> if that is true, and trayvon martin grabbed for the gun, would there have been fingerprints on it, because they said they didn't find any? >> i don't think it's likely. generally, we don't get usable fingerprints. >> why is that? >> because the surface is not smooth. it's textured. usually fingerprints are smeared. she couldn't even find george zimmerman's prints. >> the public psyche -- it's interesting with fingerprints. it's not a science, it's a technique. and it's fascinating how the public comes to accept it like science like dna. it's done by nonscientists and it's not a science. >> fingerprints are a ve

trayvon martin replied. >> you do now. >> the defendant claimed that he, trayvon martin, was coming at him at that time? >> he was very close, probably within an arm or two arm's reach. george lost contact visually. >> i apologize. >> okay. go ahead. he -- as george was reaching down to get to his phone to re-establish contact with the dispatch, that's when physical contact happened. >> so the defendant told you that he has his words with trayvon martin. >> correct. >> then -- he said that he went and reached for his phone in his pocket. >> correct. looked down. >> sorry. looked down. >> he looked down to reach to get into his pocket. >> at that point is when trayvon martin hit him. >> struck him in the nose. >> okay. >> so he -- defendant claims he looked down and that's when trayvon martin hit him? >> he looked down, got his phone and said as he looked back up, he lost visual contact for maybing a second. to get his phone out of his pocket and went like this. as he looked up, the punch came square in his pace. >> the defendant say he took the phone out or left it in his pocket? >> i'

both of them involving trayvon martin's mother. every time she took the stand, which was twice today, it was immediately that the prosecutor would say, oh, i need a side bar, and these side bars would go on for some time, and there was sybrina sitting in the jury box, isolated, kind of alone, only a few feet away from those jurors. and could you sense that was awkward for the jurors, that they would look occasionally, glance at her, but then look away. didn't get into a staring match or anything like that. so that was a very powerful moment. then during that cross-examination when, you know, mark o'mara began asking questions, their heads literally like a tennis match would bounce back and forth. they follow everything very closely. they seem to really be fixated on following the information they're hearing. >> let me talk a little bit more about this. i want to bring in my legal experts who will be with me today. jeff mark nejame, also cnn legal correspondent jean casarez, attorney around former prosecutor faith jenkins and defens

trayvon martin replied? >> you do now. >> and the defendant claimed that he, trayvon martin, was coming at him at that time? >> he was very close, probably within an arm's or two arm's reach and george lost contact visually. >> i apologize. i interrupted you. >> that's okay. no, as george was reaching down to get to his phone to re-establish contact with the dispatch, that's when physical contact happened. >> so the defendant told you that he had these words with trayvon martin. >> correct. >> and then he said that he went and reached for his phone in his pocket. >> correct. looked down. >> i'm sorry, he looked down. >> he looked down to reach to get into his pocket. >> and at that point is when trayvon martin hit him? >> struck him in the nose. >> okay. so he -- the defendant claims he looked down and that's when trayvon martin hit him? >> well, he looked down, got his phone and he said as he looked back up, and he lost visual contact for maybe a second to get his phone out of his pocket. he went like this.

this was after trayvon martin. his wife talked about the young lady as well in chicago who -- >> it elevates -- it elevates the status of it, you know, it reminds one of presidents that spoke about civil rights cases. >> yeah. listen, and just -- i have to play devil's advocate here because when the president talked about that, he said -- when he talked about it, he said he would be a son he would look like me, and he mostly talked about the family. any parent hates losing a child. he didn't mention black -- a black child. he didn't mention racial profiling. he talked about on the human level as a family. i think that's a talking point really for people who want to find some fault with the president. i don't think that there was -- that elevated this to some sort of racial discussion in the country. >> look, i'm not making a political -- >> for people -- for people who are looking for that. >> i'm not making a political comment whatsoever. it's an observation. i am a criminal defense attorney, a former prosecutor a

i don't hear it and i don't hear trayvon martin. we noefl george zimmerman testified specific things he said martin was saying to him. how significant is that? >> i don't know about you, but i'm glad to hear george zimmerman have to answer tough questions. i've been watching every bit of this trial. this is the first time that he had to sit and answer some very difficult questions about the case. i think especially the question about smothering is really important because george zimmerman says he was screaming. he was screaming for help. that's him on that 911 call, right? well, if he's being smothered, if trayvon martin's hands are over his nose and mouth, how is he screaming? i think that's an outstanding point made by detective serrino. what was the provocation for martin punching had im? that's always been a weak part of his story. he says he came around and out of nowhere after a brief bit of conversation, what's your problem? >> i don't have a problem. you have a problem now. bam, trayvon martin punched him hard in the face. t

zimmerman who is white and trayvon martin who is frame. trayvon martin the teenager unarmed, wearing a hoodie was skittles in his pocket. a lot has been made about the confrontation and why it developed and if race was a factor in all of. that those elements were brought up in the trial. there is a large crowd gathered outside the courthouse. the police chief in sanford florida is urging peace since this verdict has been read and obviously people are hoping that there is not a violent reaction to this verdict. we're just going to watch and see how this develops throughout the night. but so far, there don't appear to be any problems outside the courthouse in sanford, florida. we've had these situations before where you have elements of race in a hotly contested trial and often times in the past there has been some conflict afterward and we'll just keep an eye on things. we're not saying that's going to happen in this case but the police chief is urging peace after this verdict and we're going to watch and see what happens. so again, george

martin, trayvon martin said you got me. so he could speak. we also had to explain the reason why trayvon martin's arms were underneath, kind of clutching at his chest. he had to be able to move, so this would explain that. >> so danny, this bolsters obviously the defense's case, it verifies what george zimmerman's story is. >> of course. it's more than that. this is an example of a terrific pathologist who uses imagery to drive complex issues home. even though he says it's not a complex case, talking about the operations of the heart and how it affects the brain and how long you can live, he uses some simple images, the idea of someone reaching into your heart and yanking it out. we can imagine that, and that drives it home. i think this underscores the importance of having an expert that not only knows the science but is able secondly to communicate it. if they can't communicate it, they're not worth what you pay them. >> mark, you used this guy on the stand in cases of your own. does the jury -- they got it out on evidenc

trayvon martin. you have to use evidence, circumstantial evidence from the outside and try to figure it out. if someone's in fear, you run home. that was about 30 yards. that's where you run when you're in fear. if you stick around to take on someone, you stick around. >> that's more an assumption. i don't think he had -- >> well -- you think -- you disagree with that? >> that doesn't mean that trayvon had to run home. >> i'm not saying that but if you're looking for reasonable inferences, that's a for likely reasonable inference. >> it's four minutes but he didn't go home. i mean, the inference is what he was doing. the thing is the state, all they have is the angel/demon good versus evil, light/dark dichotomy and i think the defense is doing a great job of saying you don't know anything about either of these people. i'm just saying there's four minutes that he could have been laying in wait the same way you think that he was hunting. there's no evidence of evilness on either side and some point onl