entirely unnecessary, we have a situation where john boehner, the speaker of the house puts a bill out on the floor, at current funding levels so we can then negotiate on a real budget that allows us to stop negotiating from crisis to crisis, it would pass. the only thing that is stopping it, is that john boehner right now has not been willing to say no to a faction of the republican party that are willing to burn the house down because of an obsession over my health care initiative. >> the president there is continuing to point out that while the shutdown is often describeds a fight between democrats and republicans, it is just as much if not more so a fight between speaker john boehner and a fight between his own republican party. the idea of the tea party, any legislator being powerful in the traditional sense is kind of archaic, what boehner was before was an institutionalist, he was first elected to congress in 1990 and has been there ever since. he has risen through the ranks, climbed back, fallen again, and finally reached the top. when he got there, the problem is he is exactly

expecting to be hearing live from john boehner. after 1:00, this is going to be awesome. have a great night. stay with us. >>> midnight came, and midnight went. congress did not keep the government runs. and still, amazingly, ironically, republicans did not stop obamacare. >> what a shameful day this is. >> the government of the united states of america will close. >> they're talking now about not raising the debt creeling. >> i'd like to say good evening, but it isn't a very good one. >> the president is the one who's driving the government shut down. >> the president's not willing to come to the table. >> he wants the checkbook. >> maybe he's not the problem. >> the president's not asking for anything. >> you've got to get a life. >> this is not a game of chicken. >> i sort of feel sorry for speaker boehner. >> the sheer ridiculousness. >> the republicans have left the plane of reason. >> tomorrow will be a bad day for government, a day of celebration in the house. >> government shut down watch. >> this one is a complete shutdown. >> the finale. >> as a result, you're about to shut

stake so much higher. >> john boehner kept saying i want to have a kchgs. >> he used the word conversation 22 times in that interview. >> the goal posts have moved again. >> now they are stuck. >> for them, a win is -- >> full capitulation. >> to have him cry uncle. >> it's time for us to take a stand. >> it's not enough to take a stand. in the end you have to govern. >> the boehner bhungalers. that's the headline of the column in the "new york times" today. what he called the keeply incompetent house republican leadership. the professor goes on to refer to the house of representatives as the keystone cops and the boehner bungle eebungleers. but there is another possible. the one that no one is considering. what if what if john boehner and the house republican leadership and senator ted cruise know exactly what they're doing and exactly why they're doing it? what if they are playing a much longer and bigger game than anyone has noticed. what if their concern is the presidency and nothing but the presidency? and what if the republican party, the party that created the modern im

that podium you saw john boehner. was there any kind of a breakthrough? 90-minute meeting after not talking for a week. we'll go live to the white house. plus one of the lawmaker who pushed for obama care to be included in the fight. rand paul is "outfront" to respond. and the story from the beginning, the violent confrontation between a motorist and a group of people caught on tape. >>> we have news at the top of the hour. president obama and congressional leaders just a moment ago literally, 90 seconds ago, wrapping up a 90-minute meeting at the white house. if the congressional leaders are about to talk about that meeting. john boehner was there a moment ago. i want to get straight -- mitch mcconnell, i believe, is speaking. he is getting into his suv. let me get straight to jim acosta who is at the white house. we saw john boehner speak. who else spoke? a 90-minute meeting. what happened? >> all we've seen so far, you caught me poking down the driveway for a few moments. all we've seen so far is house speaker john boehner coming out of west wing. he gave a very brief statement s

the house john boehner was in effect forced to declare his official surrender. the republicans in the house of representatives who are trying to force president obama into compromises did not get their way. speaker boehner had to lead those republicans to this vote that's taking place right now. joining me now, howard dean, former dnc chairman. sam stein, huffington post political reporter, and we will soon, i believe, have like russert. we don't have him yet. sam stein, this came at a -- at the end of a day that now seems inevitable. there was no one, absolutely no one saw a way for republicans to win in this fight when they started it. >> yeah, i mean -- what's remarkable is that after two weeks, 2 and a half weeks time, we are ending up where we thought we would be. we wasted -- $24 billion in economic activity along the way. a lot of people had to suffer. we are ending up where the debate wouldened end up. we will fund government for a short period of time. lifting the debt limit with extra ordinary msh urz aeasures. house republicans could have seen this one coming. they should h

together and do a deal at this hour and john boehner is going to accept it? boehner is going to be able to take whatever these gentlemen come up with in the senate and go over to the house and say hey, guys, come on. i've got some new tea for you to drink. it ain't going to happen. this is nothing but false hope. i will be stunned if we don't default. i will be stunned if there is a deal. now meanwhile, the backdrop of all of this, republicans who shut down the government are using our nation's veterans as pawns in their battle to win back political opinion. yeah, i constantly have to be ask yourself the question throughout all of this, where are the american people. what is our threshold. what do we want? well, we want a government that works, we want a government that's open and we want a deal that's going to give the middle class a chance in this country. americans overwhelmingbly blame republicans for the shutdown by a 22-point margin. that's a heck of a number. so why are the democrats even dealing with these people? with those numbers, the righties just keep getting desperate. on

countiry will prevent a first of its kind default. a deal offered by speaker john boehner to reopen the government and lift the debt ceiling, one that was supposed to be voted on by the house tonight as i speak to you. that deal has now been nixed. republican leadership in the house appear to have no idea what to do next and there is no good reason to believe anyone knows what will happen next. the house measure that was to have been voted on would have funded the government through december 15, extended the debt limit to february 7 and ended employer contributions to health insurance for members of congress and its staff, the white house and its staff as well as cabinet members. in this case government contributions since the government is the employer. as that made its way to the house rules committee, heritage activists urged them to vote no. and shortly after a vote was killed. just 24 hours after we thought we had a deal coming from the senate. >> reporter: here is another layer of gamesmanship to the drama playing out in washington. senator ted cruz in texas convened in a secret m

the printed version of "politico." john boehner and his are public colleagues find themselves on an island. they do have ted cruz. tolden center cruise speaker boehner to take up a crusade to defend obamacare, the speaker did it. >> senator chuck schumer of new york. last,isan agreement at neither can stand ted cruz. how does a freshman senator managed to become a poster boy so early in his career? >> it is a classic example. not the first example but maybe the best example of how politicians, when they have media, the ability to command media attention and activist it all.do not need they are contemptuous of the traditional levers of establishment power, staying in good stead with the leaders and staying in good stead with the washington crowd. it is worthless to him. he is using a model that sarah palin and others before him used but he is using it, i think, toh kind of more ability drive a policy debate that i have ever seen. we have seen these comets streak across the sky but we have never seen one exert that much clout on the issue of major consequence. shutting down the whole

and running. >> i guess my fundamental question is this, john boehner didn't want to be in this position. he had -- the right wing of the party said you lay down on the ground in front of this truck and do it over this budget. don't wait for the debt ceiling. but if they end up caving and end up losing do they have the ability to fight over the debt ceiling or did they just completely lose altogether? >> i have to tell you that's a very astute question, erin that is part of the concern i had heard from house republicans they are using their arsenal for the debt ceiling on this bill which they didn't want to do. and at the end of the day they could hurt the republicans' hand when they negotiate on the debt ceiling -- [ speaking foreign language ] [ inaudible ] >> dana will be with us for the next 55 minutes. the president has refused to budge on this. you have both sides categorically saying we're not here to negotiate. tonight the president called john boehner and other congressional leaders to discuss the shutdown. it had been over a week since the speaker and the president had

including john boehner remember that, but there are plenty of them in congress who don't remember what happened then and are willing to fight this fight right now topher obama care. it's going to be a brutal fight. you know, there's other ways to fight this battle, but they're insisting on fighting it right now. i suspect though eventually, probably sooner rather than later, john boehner will find a way to get there be some sort of clean resolution without any springs attached that will allow the government to fund it and they can fight their battles over obama care elsewhere. >> live footage from the senate. i think that was chuck schumer i just saw speaking. let's see what's going on. >> but nothing we can do with this resolution. >> nothing we can doing >> until. >> they're over there now negotiating with themselves i guess. >> yeah. because isn't it true, leader, that until they vote for that resolution, the government will remain shut? >> that is absolutely. >> they can send us a hundred different little doo dads, gizmos and other things but the ball is in their court and we

." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. john boehner, i'm talking to you. i think you need advice from outside that caucus. i'm afraid it's smothering you. it's killing any impulse you have to call the shots and end this government shutdown. worse yet, the approaching default on the country's debt. this historic embarrassment to your party, to your beloved house of representatives, this deep injury to your country. here i think it's fair to say are your options, mr. speaker. you can continue down the road, that little band of warriors on your party's right has assigned you. that means sticking with them all the way, following whatever course the fartherest out 30 of your caucus want you to take. going after the affordable care act at every stop, giving up on any bipartisan solution to the debt crisis, then doing the whole thing over again every two months from now until the end of your speakership. causing havoc global economic mayhem at maximum. the value of our currency, our word. you want to get down that road, mr. speaker? how about this

from a 90-minute meeting with the top four leaders in congress. at that podium you saw john boehner. was there any kind of a breakthrough? 90-minute meeting after not talking for a week. we'll go live to the white house. plus one of the lawmaker who pushed for obama care to be included in the fight. rand paul is "outfront" to respond. and the story from the beginning, the violent confrontation between a motorist and a group of people caught on tape. >>> we have news at the top of saying at this point, the white house will not negotiate over this shutdown that is now into day two. obviously, house republicans would like to see some sort of concession on obama care. the president, if you listen to what john bain her to say right after this meeting, the white house is not offering that. what john boehner said, he still wants to have conferrees pointed. what does that mean? what house republican wos like to have the senate do is send members from the senate into a joint house senate conference to try to work out some sort of agreement. senate democrats have obviously balked at that. that may

government shutdown and hours before the united states would hit the detail ceiling, john boehner surrendered. the senate voted first, the bipartisan deal reached would fund the government through january 15th and raise the debt ceiling through february 17th. 81 senators cast the reasonable vote in favor of the bill including every democrat and 27 republicans. 18 republicans voted against the bill. then the bill moved to the house, the final vote was 285-144, 87 republicans voted for the bill, including john boehner and eric canter. 144 republicans voted against it. 198 democrats provided the necessary votes for passage. >> joining me now howard dean, sam stein, and we will soon i believe have luke russert. but we don't have him yet. sam stein, this came at a -- at the end of a day that now seems inevitable. there was no one, absolutely no one saw a way for republicans to win in this fight when they started it. >> yeah, i mean, what's remarkable is that after two weeks, two and a half weeks time we ended up right where we thought we would be. we wasted $24 billion in economic activity along t

flank, release the economic hostages and reopen the federal government? with house speaker john boehner maintaining that all he wants to do is have a conversation with the president, he got his wish today. when president obama rang him up. and we have just learned that speaker boehner will make a statement at 4:30 p.m., which, of course, we'll bring you live. and president obama today called on the speaker, reiterating that he's willing to negotiate with republicans, just as soon as they reopen the government and stop threatening to default on the nation's debt. just because they don't like the health care law. that's the president's position. and at a press conference today, he stuck with it. >> i will sit down and work with anyone of any party, not only to talk about the budget. i'll talk about ways to improve the health care system. i'm ready to head up to the hill and try. i'll even spring for dinner again. but i'm not going to do it until the more extreme parts of the republican party stop forcing john boehner to issue threats about our economy. we can't make extortion routine as part of our d

this means is that house speaker john boehner passed the bill without the support of his own members. >>> but thanks to all of the democrats and minority of his caucus who did support him in this vote we brought about the end to this self imposed national crisis tonight. president obama is expected to sign the bill right away as in basically now. after that the federal government will begin the work of reopening itself after this long and painful shutdown. the office of management and budget is advising employees to expect to return to work in the morning as in a few hours from now. president obama spoke briefly tonight after the vote saying he intended to get going on policy mentioning immigration and the farm bill, the policymaking that has been shoved off the agenda. as the president left the podium tonight a reporter from cnn, i think, shouted out a question to him. as the president finished his remarks and walked away. a reporter shouted out a question and asked what happens when the debt ceiling comes up again in february. >> is this going to happen all over again in a

negotiate with republicans over anything, but only after john boehner and his caucus let the government reopen and raise the country's debt ceiling. in other words, mr. speaker, release the hostages and then we'll talk. >> i want everybody to understand this. there are enough republicans and democrats in the house of representatives today that if the speaker of the house, john boehner, simply let the bill get on the floor for an up or down vote, every congressman could vote their conscious, the shutdown would end today. the only things that's preventing all that from happening right now today, in the next five minutes, is that speaker john boehner won't even let the bill get a yes or no vote because he doesn't want to anger the extremists in his party. >> meanwhile the gop finds itself more and more in a behind even if some republicans appear to be completely, giddily, unaware. >> we're very energized, very strong. this is about the happiest i've seen members in a long time because we see that we're starting to win this dialogue on a national level. >> well, tell that to john boehner wh

remain shutdown. today's strategy does not appear to be working. and now john boehner has to figure out what tomorrow's strategy is. put yourself in john boehner's shoes for a moment. imagine what it's like for him to wake up every morning and face the forces that are assembled against him. one simple goal. to survive another day. john boehner must find a way to placate the tea party, whose irate with any talk of negotiations not including obama care, the entirety of american finance capitalism, that has told him he cannot blow through the debt ceiling, and then there's the american people. according to a new nbc news poll, both the gop and the tea party's favorability rating that sunk to an all-time low. and 53% of americans blame republicans in congress for the budget standoff, compared to 31% who blame the president. with those three separate interests in mind, john boehner's play is this. >> what we want to do is to offer the president today the ability to move. a temporary increase in the debt ceiling, an agreement to go to conference on the budget. >> far-right groups like her

momentarily to be hearing live from the house speaker john boehner who's always interested to watch on capitol hill. after 1:00 a.m., this is going to be awesome. have a great night. stay with us. midnight came and went. congress didn't keep the government rye running and republicans did not stop obama care. >> what a shameful day this is. >> the government of the united states of america will close. >> they are talking now about not raising the debt ceiling. >> they will only talk after the government shuts down. >> i'd like to say good evening, but it isn't a very good one. >> the president is driving the government shut down. >> the president is not willing to come to the table. >> he wants the checkbook. >> maybe he's not the problem. >> the president's not asking for anything. >> they have to get a life. >> this is not a game of chicken. >> i feel sorry for speaker boehner. >> the sheer ridiculousness. >> insane. >> republicans have left the point of reason. >> republicans are stail still playing games. they don't believe in government and tomorrow will be a bad day for government

outside of washington, d.c. this morning, and he blamed house speaker john boehner for the government shutdown. >> obama: the only thing that is preventing all that from happening right now, today, in the next five minutes is that speaker john boehner won't even let the bill get a yes or no vote because he doesn't want to anger the extremists in his party. that's all. that's what this whole thing is about. >> we have complete coverage of the government shutdown. libby casey is on capitol hill. but we begin with mike viqueira at the white house, good afternoon, mike. so did the president say anything that we haven't heard already today? >> reporter: stephanie, i'm afraid we're still in the shouting stage and the two sides are talking past each other. notwithstanding the president was talking face to face with all four of the republicans and democrats in the house and senate. to call out speaker john boehner if that senate bill, the so-called clean cr with no strings attached it would pass. the problem about john boehner he would have to defy the base of his party was it would pass with

deadline. last week it was reported that house speaker john boehner said he will not allow the government to default, yesterday he took a harder stance. >> i'm going to tell you what, george, the nation's credit is at risk because of the administration's refusal to sit down the and have a conversation. >> they are saying it's a risk because of your refusal to pass a clean debt limit. >> we are not passing a clean debt limit increase. >> under no circumstance? >> there is no way. when the vote s aren't in the house to pass a debt limit. the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us. >> wait a minute. >> okay . >> all through the sunday shows i heard -- ted cruz was on. everyone called it harry reid and their shutdown. this is the republican shutdown. it's a stick-up. it's the tyranny of the t minority. >> i don't know about that. john boehner, if you look at the math of it, what john boehner said was incorrect. they have the votes to pass a clean c.r. they could pass it today. they have the votes to pass a clean debt ceiling increase. they have it today.

interesting that the more this government shut down hurts and is seen hurting, the more you see john boehner out there on the media skillet the less you see of ted cruz. this is a pathetic example of a politician who's never gotten a positive piece of legislation passed but spends his time sabotaging government. john boehner stands out there on the bridge while this blows out. whose decision was it to put a senate hold on a meeting between the senate and house budget committees? that lack of appropriations bills passed and signed by the president exposed the entire u.s. government to shut down and who was it that demanded as a price for the passage of a continuing resolution the destruction of the affordable care act? ted cruz. the man who's now standing back and watching the government crash in. within the last hour, president obama met with the congressional leaders of both parties at the white house. howard, let's talk about the setup before tonight. where are we with this speaker of the house? he's got the heat on his back. on his backside. let's be blunt here. he's facing a tremendous tortu

john boehner is refusing to bring a clean continuing resolution to fund the government isn't just leaving people high and dry without pay it's also stunting economic growth according the market research firm i.h.s. inc the shutdown already cost our economy almost two billion dollars in economic output that number increases by one hundred sixty million dollars every day if the shutdown continues for another few weeks moody's predicts a loss of fifty five billion dollars some of the hardest hit areas include tourist towns around our national parks oh and by the way right now the small business administration can't process any new loans for those job creators republicans are always talking about because it's so understaffed and backlog. john boehner our economy and right. speaker boehner working americans are struggling to get by the shutdown is cutting into the social programs they need to survive fifty thousand mothers can't get anywhere checks leaving their babies without access to vital nutrition and that's just in north carolina arizona has cut fifty two hundred eligible familie

principals, john boehner and harry reid in the senate but even their staff. there's just no trust. and there's no communication at all. >> and dana, i think i said you were on capitol hill. i think you're in our studio now. thankfully you've been allowed to move off capitol hill because i think you've been there for the last week or so. stick with us. tina, what do you make of this? >> maybe vladimir putin can point the logjam here. we need a mediator like him. it is incredible to me to watch these republicans putting on their suicide vesting and think is this is going to have some kind of outcome for america. it is absolutely preposterous. the most depressing to see how john boehner's job insecurity, terror of losing the speakership he's become the rallier after these people. right after the re-election of obama he said obama carries the law of the land. he later on said he didn't believe in the government. >> there was certainly a lot of talk back two years ago about working together, the importance. now you can't even find anybody talking about that. ross, who do you blame for this?

"washington post" and "politico. " john boehner and his are public and colleagues in the house have found themselves on an island. they have ted cruz. cruz toldnator speaker boehner to take up the post to defend obamacare heated. did it. the tea party behind him. how does a freshman senator managed to be a poster boy so early in his career? >> it is not the first example but maybe the best example of how politicians, when they have media, the ability to command media attention and activist support do not need it all. they're contemptuous of the areas of traditional power. staying in good stead with the leader and the washington crowd. it is worthless to him. he is using a model that sarah palin and others before i'm used that he is using it i think with wea buts before him used have never seen one exert that much clout on them issue of major -- an issue of major consequence. >> are we being unfair to ted cruz? >> no. he has been very successful. john is exactly right. you live by the sword, you die by the sword. you always wonder when that beam of light is going to turn on somebody

possible common denominator. >> why? >> the house deal collapsed. >> john boehner does not have the votes. >> is he in control. >> one member said it was a caca sandwich. >> a lot of opinions about what direction to go. >> boehner is still held captive. >> this isn't the first time. >> we saw this with the fiscal cliff, the farm bill. >> john boehner does not have the votes. >> seam problem here. >> why are they doing this? >> we get closer and closer to the edge. >> we are about to default. >> everybody gets hurt. >> time is money. >> working on a way forward. >> there is a battle for the soul of the republican party. >> i'm very disappointed with john boehner. >> what a speaker has to do is get the job done. ♪ >>> john boehner spent the day proving to the crazies in his party that it is impossible for anything that the crazies want to pass the house of representatives. first, boehner and the leadership offered republicans in the house the option of voting on something similar to the senate agreement with the difference being some changes to the affordable care act. it quickly became c

you see john boehner out there on the media skillet the less you see of ted cruz. this is a pathetic example of a politician who's never gotten a positive piece of legislation passed but spends his time sabotaging government.ent obama met with the congressional leaders of both parties at the white house. howard, let's talk about the setup before tonight. where are we with this speaker of the house? he's got the heat on his back. on his backside. let's be blunt here. he's facing a tremendous torture. you can see it in his face. how long will it take for the moderates in his party to give him enough backing where he can make a move and make a lesser demand on the president, one that he might be able to accept? >> well, chris, we're he an all counting, one by one, republicans are saying, privately first and then publicly, in the house, that they would be willing to vote for a so-called cr, meaning go ahead, fund the government without conditions. right now there may be 16 or 17 of those republicans. that would be enough -- >>> so that the leadership doesn't fail. >> let's look at this.