between therma climb and bottom or bouncing off some other event. >> okay. rob mccallum, thank you so much. don't go away. we're going to include you in a panel later. we're going to talk about the obstacles in place for the british ship which this great technology -- still, there are hurdles along the way. we'll explore all of that next. in the nation, it's not always pretty. but add brand new belongings from nationwide insurance... ...and we'll replace destroyed or stolen items with brand-new versions. we take care of the heat, so you don't get burned. just another way we put members first, because we don't have shareholders. join the nation. ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ welcome back. a couple of major developments in the search for missing flight 370. the "hms echo," british ship with advanced detection equipment has just arrived where a chinese ship did he teblted signals. australian ship picked up acoustic noise in a different area to the north by 350 miles. authorities say they can't verify that any of these sounds are connected to the missing plane. there are will new details

? rob mccallum and mary schiavo are joining me. rob, the bluefin-21 is expected to complete its search in the next few days. i don't know how to take this news. is it that there's a third left to search and, good news, we're going to find it there in the one-third that is left or is it, boy, they are almost done and they are coming up snake eyes, maybe this was the wrong place the whole time? >> well t. could be the wrong place altogether but we don't know that yet and we have to allow them to search the last 30% before we can make any sort of definitive decision on that. but it is becoming clear that the area is going to have to widen and it's going to have to widen to include all of the pinger locations or places where pingers were thought to be heard and then back along the arc of the aircraft track heading northward. >> was there too much optimism that the pings came from the black boxes? >> well, i think just the length of time that they have searched and not found anything would naturally put doubt on things but with the pingers, there's so much practically about it that i

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soucie, rob mccallum, thank you. >>> cold and running out of air, nearly 300 passengers are still missing. many of them high school students on a field trip when their ship rolled over in the cold waters. about 12 miles off the coast of jindon. the coast guard found five more bodies in the that some of the passengers like this little boy seen here with his 5-year-old sister. let's show that picture. the girl was rescued but there has been no sign of the boy or their parents who were also on board. the coast guard is also investigating whether the ship's captain, who made the initial order for everyone to stay put, whether he may have been among the first to abandon ship. cnn's kyung lah is joining us by phone from jindon. >> it is very much a rescue operation still. the rescuers here who we can see here at the dock, they are still operating under the assumption that there are survivors on this capsized ship. there has been horrific weather, high swells, at times the tide has been too dangerous for the divers for a few minutes there were divers lost. they were eventually recovered

best panel of experts. miles o'brien, an ocean search specialist and rob mccallum. rob, let me start with you. if nothing is found in these final underwater missions, what next? >> jake, that's a great question because there were a lot of hopes pinned on these pinger locations. the next logical state would be to rethink all of the information that we have at hand and then probably to do the last 370-odd miles of the flight path of the aircraft, perhaps 15 miles on either side of that. and you've seen the australians recently hinted a search area 370 miles by 30 miles. that's what that is all about. >> how large of a search area are we talking about in total, if it expands outside the original search arc? >> well, if it goes to that 370 by 30 miles, you're looking at just over 11,000 square miles. and there's two things that need to change. the first is that we need to go to deep towed sonar because it has gone from 15 miles a day and a towed will do a little more than that. people are starting to talk about cost structure and so we need more cost effective means of doing a broad scal

joined by aviation analyst miles o'brien, ocean search specialist rob mccallum. welcome, gentlemen. >> hello. >> miles, is it time? malaysia put together this special team including people from the united states. why not then take the lead? >> i've been saying this all along that in the case of an incident like this, you need a nation that has demonstrated expertise in this particular kind of investigation. if you look the world over, there aren't many nations that have, and certainly no nation has more experience than the united states of america. i think probably it would be better if it was couched in terms of an international investigation, drawing on all the resources of places like australia, great britain, france, that all had very competent, similar structures than the u.s. does to investigate crashes. the bottom line is just because you can buy a 777 doesn't mean you have the expertise sitting in your country to investigate why it might have gone down. that's something i wish the malaysians recognized earlier. >> rob, i want to run down this team malaysia has announced. ma

rob mccallum. if they finally do narrow the area, they have four areas 17 or so miles apart, walk us through what happens next. >> well, the towed pinger locator is a glorified micro phone. the next step is to try to get some imagery. and in water you do that through the use of sonar. so they will deploy sonar in order to give us imagery of the sea floor and anything that might be lying on top of it. >> they will hold off on the submersible equipment until they exhaust the possibility of the batteries still operating and emitting the pings? >> i think the time line is so fine, such a small scale that it doesn't make a lot of difference. the batteries look to me that they're on their way out. the auv, i suspect, will be deployed in the next day. they may choose to bring in other sonar assets in order to speed up scanning the sea floor. >> the ocean silk could be significant especially when you're looking for two relatively small box. >> you know, the level of silt on the sea floor varies tremendously around the globe. if we had been where we thought the search area was going to be a c

mccallum who helped in the search for air france flight 447 and david funk, a retired pilot for northwest airlines. welcome to both of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> australia's prime minister says they very much narrowed down the search area to within a few miles. i'm a little confused about that. seriously? have they narrowed it that much. >> the prime minister is privy to a lot more information than i am. that does sound a trifle overconfident. we're moving now into a world that's incredibly dark. working on a slope, working at incredible depths. we still have a little ways to go. he has room for confidence, but not exact confidence. >> room for confidence. the entire search area still the size of -- maybe a little smaller than new mexico now. then the prime minister seemed to intimate that the search area for the black boxes themselves is much smaller than that. is that what he meant, rob? >> he's saying -- he's implying that the pinger location is an area of high probability within the overall search area. again, we're not dealing in an exact environment. when yo

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information to end the debate. >> let's go through lease latest developments with the panel. rob mccallum, cnn analyst and ocean search specialist and miles o'brien, cnn analyst, pilot, science correspondent for pbs news hour. you're skeptical about this information from the australian firm, but to play devil's advocate, any harm in having bangladesh send everybody two frigates just to check it out? >> no, there's no harm. high concerns they were going to redirect assets in the more important area where we have evidence in the southern indian ocean into the other zone. bangladesh isn't involved in the search. if they want to do a training mission, why not? it's in the public realm, families needan an answer. there's little basis in fact for it but worth running down. >> rob, any technology that you're aware of that could detect the plane the way that this firm is claiming they were able to? >> no, none at all. and you know, you have to think if there was the ability to detect metals and gold and tie tamium by this methodology, they've been doing a brisk sil indeed. the claim they found go

in the morning there in perth. thank you. specialist rob mccallum joins me from seattle, and david suesy is in new york. welcome to both of you. let's kick this off talking about the bluefin, rob. as i mentioned a second ago, we know that this submersible is back in the water, you know, trying mission number two. first attempt, will said, only managed 28%, 29% of the full capacity of that mission. and we have nothing so far when it comes to possible wreckage or anything about the plane. so should we be disappointed? or is it pretty typical in go number one? >> i think what we've seen is a teething issue, i think. once the device is reprogrammed, then things will run a little bit smoother on the second run. but i am concerned that, you know, this auv is operating at the very edge of its operational parameters, which doesn't bode well, because we are not very clear on the ultimate depth of the search area might run to. so we don't have a lot to play with here. we don't have any redundancy. we only have the one auv on site at this time. >> that's news to me. i was wondering if we were

of questions and we have the experts to help answer them. rob mccallum and steve ross is back with us. rob, let's go ahead and start with you. sammy writes in and says where is the debris. why don't they see any pieces of that plane? >> you know, it could be for a couple of reasons. the first is that there may not be a lot of debris. the aircraft might not have broken up in a big way on the surface. there might not have been a lot of debris generated. it's a very, very big ocean out there. and you know, it was several days after the accident that searchers first got to this area. it could simply have drifted away. >> steve, here's one for you. actually i have another question and follow up. now that the probably crash area is found, . >> i really don't think so. we had images that have been completely discounted and remember on day one or two they had these chinese satellite images, which analysts concluded that the things on the images were just way too big to be the type of debris that would see small, noting objects. so i think the investigators would do as this questioner sugge

us now to discuss the challenges, rob mccallum and ma mary schiavo. mary, they said the outcome may force them to reconsider the search. what do you expect the next phase to look like? >> well, i think the next phase probably won't be the search phase. they'll finish up in this area because these were the best leads they had so far and they still do have a significant amount of work to do here. i think they'll then regroup in terms of needing to expand the search area, bring in different equipment, equipment that can go deep beer the water, maybe different capabilities and then, also, decide whether they need to search in areas beyond this. not just an expanded area here but look further up and down the arc that the satellites predicted that the flight might have traveled. >> of course much larger area. rob, in your opinion, how many more times do you think search crews should deploy the bluefin-21 in that specific area and how do they determine it's done all it can do and make that determination? >> well, it's an interesting question because, you know, in this business it's actuall

. >>> let's turn now to cnn analyst rob mccallum and expert and expedition leader with the founder and chairman of hydroid manufacturer of the underwater device which found air france 447. chris, let's talk about that device that's called the remus 6,000, is it time that be brought into the mission? >> well, i wouldn't be the one to make that call, sir. i think it's a decision that has to be made by the people who are running the search. there's really two parts to the problem. one is deciding where to search, the other one is how to search the area that they've decided to search. that's where our expertise comes from. find the area to search, then we take over. >> tell us about the remus 6,000, presumably if it were brought in, what could it do, for example, that the bluefin-21 can't do? >> well, i wouldn't compare the two. i think the main focus that the -- that these systems offer is maturity. they've been in the field and operating for over a decade. i think equivalently been around the world four, five times from now. the other aspect, robots work well together. our systems work c

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