week. so the idea to me that these public shamings -- >> john ross wrote a book about that. >> and john ronson's book, so what, you have some reputational annihilation. people's lives are shattered, you know, their relationshipses their careers. >> let me argue the other side. you've got this sigh, one who sent a dumb tweet, a stupid tweet about going to africa, and her life was, you know, she was blown up on twitter, fired, but then you also have bill cosby. this seems like on the same -- that he escaped liability for years, and when you talk to his alleged victims, they say it was social media, it was essentially this public shaming function that for the first time is brings accountability. it's like ferguson, right? so it's possible that the price we have to pay for the justice, the social media has brought to black lives matter, to sandra bland, all of these different cases that might have before gone under the radar. maybe the price is we're going to live in this crowdsource pen-opt i con, is sort of seeing this frosting vengeance is disturbing. >> there is something unnerving

signature -- to be on the ballot in states. so being very, very rich, a la ross perot, makes it much easier. >> and john kasich visiting mitt romney, the third candidate to meet privately with him this month. what is the romney factor here? i know he took a jab at donald trump regarding the john mccain comments. but is he a player right now? >> i think there are two ways to look at mitt romney particularly after he decided not to launch a third presidential bid. and one way is the party elder. we've seen mitt romney step out whether it's on the confederate flag or donald trump trying to direct his party to the position that he wanted them to take almost kind of being a separate republican national committee in some type of way. but the other way to actually look at mitt romney is i think he totally wants some action into this presidential contest. so i wouldn't be surprised if he tries to endorse someone. even though he did not run, he's not running in 2016, he wants to be some type of player and you're a player if you are an endorser. >> or you're a playa as my executive producer sa

elected. they convinced that bill clinton needed ross perot and there is this fear around a donald trump presidency. the question i have specifically about i guess the historical context and what we saw around the john mccain thing. the reason i believe donald trump isn't going to go away not a flash in the pan like the beltway says and the republican insiders say is because i feel he is gaffe proof. that i would have thought that saying something like that about john mccain, about a legitimate war hero and a revered senator and the previous nominee that was grabbing the third rail you're dead. it's over. if you can increase your chances after something like that, it seems to me there is no way he can damage himself by sticking his foot in his mouth. there is nothing he can say that will offend anybody. if the republican electorate, a big chunk, is unoffendable i don't see why he is going to -- >> one of the reasons i don't see imminent collapse is listen in television there's a lack of dignity. you can't be in television and have your dignity stay intact. trump understands that. r

a third-party run. if he does that, john, does that help or hurt the eventual republican candidate? >> it will be devastating. it will have the same impact as ross perot had against george h.w. bush. and the '92 election. so i think the republicans do have a kind of tread lightly on trump. you know, i think in his own way trump is going to collapse. i don't think republicans should panic over this because trump is so all over the place on so many different things he's not -- at the end of the day the american people are not going to want him to be their president. i don't think republican primary voters will either. >> i'm curious though. whose candidacies do you think trump has hurt the most? talk about the vitriol back and forth. rec pirry will probably be on the fox news stage. lindsey graham at this point would not make the cut. >> i think he actually helps jeb bush. bush is already the front-runner. and he's going to keep doing his thing. i think if you're someone who like a rick perry or a lindsey graham or john kasich, trump hurts because he makes it harder for other candida

president reagan's 1984 re-election campaign advised ross perot in 1992 and more recently mike huckabee and michelle bachmann. atop nearly every recent poll donald is a lock on the debate stage. john weaver an adviser to the ohio governor says the campaign believes he will be in the debate even if he's currently missing the cutoff. weaver recently tweeted, imagine a nascar driver mentally preparing for a race knowing one of the drivers will be drunk. that's what is happening for this debate. >> jonathan capehart that would be a nervous night in nascar race. >> and it's a great description. mark has -- in his comments has been dropping his little things that trump has done. it would have blown up anyone else's campaign. granted, i was one of those people who said that when he -- when trump said what he said about senator mccain that his campaign was done. because who ever heard of a presidential candidate denigrating the service of a war hero a former prison of war who is still in the race? and so -- >> jonathan. it wasn't just you, jonathan. i mean it was a guy like pete wayner