congressman daniel webster instead. michael shure joins us from capitol hill. michael this announcement that mccarthy is pulling out, a big surprise. what happened? >> reporter: randall you have no idea, inasmuch as a habit here there's pandemonium. the republican from pennsylvania walked out of the room here on the capitol, and he said to the gathered press, here, he said, hey, it's over, mccarthy dropped out. and that means that there is something of a delay, certainly in the way they are voting. other congressmen followed him out. mccarthy just stood up there, and said it very quietly. he said i'm out. i'm not going to stand for this anymore. >> so who is daniel webster? and who is backing him? >> reporter: to presume that daniel webster catapults to the front of the pack is probably premature. he has been backed by the freedom caucus. he got 12 votes himself when the vote were held in january. of course boehner won, but webster came in second. presumably they are going to find a candidate who unifies the party, that in my estimation will likely not be daniel webster. jason chapits a

whole house will vote on the speakership. paul ryan, daniel webster, nancy pelosi. if elected, paul ryan will be the first speaker from wisconsin. fellow congressman from wisconsin, sean duffy, tweeted on msnbc a while ago, in a minute i got my side kick jack duffy, he's in town to witness this historic moment in washington. his son. a lot of g.o.p. members are bringing their children to the house conference to see paul ryan and the speaker vote. back to calls and sue sdemran is on our republican line -- suzanne is on our republican line. she's in lynchburg, virginia. caller: hello. host: you're on the air. go ahead. caller: oh, ok. i just wanted to say that i'm grad that mr. ryan has decided to do this because i feel he's a peacemaker. that's what he's trying to do is bring the congress together and that makes me feel very happy there's someone there who wants to bring everyone into an understanding with each other so they can speak together and not be so partisan. that's why i think he volunteered and i think he's giving up a lot by leaving the other office that he held and this n

before the first vote. a group of conservatives is saying it will back daniel webster instead. he may have enough votes to block mccarthy on the first ballot. michael shure joins us live from capitol hill. who is daniel webster and which republicans are backing him this morning? >> reporter: daniel webster is a representative from florida. he is the only person who has been a speaker of the house right now that was running for this, because he was the speaker of the florida house of representatives. he has already gotten votes in this type of election before. he came in second among republicans when these elections were held in january. what he wants to do is very different. i don't think he thinks he is going to be the next speaker of the house, but he can help prevent the freedom -- he can go into the freedom caucus and help prevent the whole house caucus from electing their guy, and that is kevin mccarthy. they came out and roughly 40 of them said, he is our man. and they are a very far-right conservative caucus. >> but you said he doesn't believe he could actually get the position

daniel webster of florida. he is on the right and he's favored now by the ultra conservatives who tormented john boehner. and these are my experts on the matter. cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. you've had a chance to catch some of those candidates, i guess we can call them candidates. a very short election. if you blinked, you missed it. give me the rundown of the actual process you're in right now. >> reporter: well, the process is, as you can probably see, people coming in behind me. we're right outside the door. this is going to be a secret ballot actually. so we're not going to know who voted for whom in this first round. and i say first round because this is, effectively, a nomination by the republican party for whom they want to be the speaker. the actual vote for house speaker isn't going to happen until it occurs on the house floor at the end of this month. but this is still obviously very critical because of all of the things you discussed, the discord within the republican party and the idea that a lot of republicans are not so sure that kevin mccartney who

caucus that today threw its support behind one of mccarthy's opponents congressman daniel webster of florida. all of that led to today's extraordinary events. joining us congressman mark meadows, a number of the house oversight and foreign affairs committees. congressman, great to have you here. do you feel vindicated today? what are your emotions in watching all that transpired? >> you know obviously a lot has transpired today, lou, when you see the leadership changing and the american people wanting washington, d.c. to work for them, that's really the vindication. it's not about me personally, as you know. i think the big part of that is who's going to be our speaker are? we going to fundamentally change the way that washington does their business. and make sure we address amnesty and other issues that are important to the american people. lou: well, you talk about washington, but if i may, congressman, this is really about you republicans, in changing the way you do business, and the way you work with business, particularly big business, and i think that everyone understands prett

happens, how does the election take place? there was some word that daniel webster would not run today, would take his name out of consideration. what are you hearing? >> what i am hearing is -- he acknowledges that paul ryan probably has 218 votes necessary to be elected speaker of the house floor. however, what he has a is that he cannot control members from shouting out his name on the house floors. we are expecting some webster loyalists who are disenchanted with the establishment, disenchanted with, you know, not only speaker boehner, but his leadership. remember, most of the leadership team will not change. we still have a majority leader kevin mccarthy, majority whip. the only person that will change is the person at the top. we are expecting probably a dozen or so folks who will perhaps vote for daniel webster. that is roughly what he got in january in his race against speaker boehner. >> moments ago, our species been -- our c-span viewers saw daniel webster speaking with jim jordan, the head of the freedom caucus. what is the relationship between paul ryan and jim jordan

that puts his country before everything else. >> reporter: florida congressman daniel webster picked up conservative support from 40 members ever the freedom house caucus late yesterday and pledging to make the house more inclusive. >> i have no idea how it will change me. it doesn't change what i'm running on, a principle based member driven process. >> reporter: establishment republicans say mccarthy had a numbers problem. >> kevin mccarthy has the vast majority of the conferences confidence and votes, but he's made a decision that i believe he couldn't get 218. >> reporter: north carolina congressman walter jones raised eyebrows after sending this all right tuesday to the republican conference chair saying, quote -- this was written primarily because i've been here 20 years, and i remember the night that newt stepped down, the next night bob livingston stepped down and the chaos it put the republican party in. our county is in deep, deep trouble, we need to have leadership in the house that we can say look at that leader. he is a man of integrity. >> reporter: mccarthy was asked i

. >> florida congressman daniel webster is the other announce candidate. he has some conservative support. he's talking about changing the house. >> my final pitch is my first pitch. the first pitch is i want to change, transform the way we do business not have a few people at the top make the decisions and push down the pyramid of pow power, spread up the base so every single member can be effective. >> kevin mccarthy dropping out of the speakers race as there's significant deadlines on the horizon including the debt ceiling in about a month. >> for more on this let's go to congressman mike turner who endorsed kevin mccarthy for speaker. what happened? >> this is sad news. i can tell you that the republican party is strong. we still have john boehner with the speaker's gavel in his hand. these are two individual decisions that we have of the speakers to step down and kevin is to step aside. the republican conference is yet to speak on who the new leadership will be. work is getting done. the debates are continuing as htous mov the house moves. >> kevin mccarthy seemed to go into this clo

speaking to reporters outside that meeting, he's endorsing daniel webster. that was made known yesterday. the freedom caucus making their choice. here's jason chaffetz speaking before a crowd of reporters. robert costa, with us this morning on "washington journal," some of his take of the meeting this morning. host: we'll show you some of the comments that just happened a short while ago. we'll hear from jason chaffetz and also from daniel webster as they left that meeting this morning. >> what is the main concern? >> i don't think there was any concern directed at me. i think there was a good discussion about you how we do deal with certain issues. that's what you want to do. i'm glad members showed up and went as long as it did. >> more than 100 people in the room? >> we had other discussions. i hope we got everybody. i don't know that we did in the short amount of time. between the republican study committee and all that, we met with a lot of people. >> mccarthy will overcome whatever doubts -- >> that's a mistake we have to move on. that's not normally what he does. everybody underst

webster of florida, daniel webster, and the democrats' candidate will be their democratic leader, nancy pelosi. the bunt deal will be -- budget deal will be the big debate on the house floor. just an update where that stands. emily tweets this, that the c.b.o., she tweets the speaker's memo this afternoon, press releans, c.b.o. confirming the budget deal is nearly paid for, will strengthen social security and save taxpayers billions over the long term. from national journal, they talk about paul ryan with his budget debate, paul ryan squirms into speakership with budget deal. he said last night he would vote in favor of that. earlier today billy house, who covers the house, paul ryan tells his fellow republicans that he will allow floor votes on bills even when the outcome is in doubt. some of what was heard from republican members. they met in their conference this morning to hear from both paul ryan and also from daniel webster. so the status of things is the house is out subject to the call of the chair. we'd love to hear from you on twitter, facebook. it's@c-span on twitter. if you

want. maybe they will support daniel webster but doesn't seem daniel webster has the support. back in january when john boehner was being voted on for speaker they never had a candidate but simply trying to undermine the speaker and take down their own leader. that is what happened. >> is this a victory for hillary clinton? i know it is a bank shot but seems she called out mccarthy for saying the strategy behind holding benghazi hearings was to bring her down politically. she handled this pretty well. she is basically calling out mccarthy. he said today that his comment about the strategy of that committee being political and partisan in nature wasn't helpful. >> i think that is true. but october 22 will be the definitive day for hillary clinton and for the republicans on the house committee at this point. i think mccarthy's statement will be more distant giving him time to get on a more level playing field. let me make one point. with boehner continuing to be speaker he is in a stronger position to clean up things like debt ceiling and issues. conservatives may not get the deal th

had the announcement yesterday at the freedom caucus, and/or thing daniel webster. how much of this was self-inflicted by congressman mccarthy and how much was outside forces saying he is not the person? amber: if i had to put percentages to this, i would say his comments about the benghazi select committee investigating at most 30%ton was attributable to this. it certainly did not help when he needed to rise as speaker. some of the dissension among his party. but i don't think it seriously hurt his chances. i think what we are dealing with is a fundamental division within not johnlican party, boehner and not mccarthy could close. host: mccarthy says he would stay on -- weiner says he will stay on as leader, but is that a long-term commitment? >> it's unclear. i spent my afternoon going back and looking at other times there were house speaker battles that took the congress into chaos. , or republican speakers speakers elect, once they decided to not go that route, bob livingston being an example, stepped down soon after. if history is any indication, mccarthy might not be in the hou

is considered the front-runner. also in the race are representative jason chaffetz and daniel webster. the more conservative wing of the republican party is backing webster. nbc's trystee potts is live in washington and tracie, boy it's going to be on interesting day. >> reporter: we'll start to get a sense of who they want to lead the house after john boehner steps down at the end of the month. let's start by taking a look at all three candidates. kevin mccarthy in california is the current majority leader. he's the number two under john boehner, and conservatives think that he may not be a lot different than boehner. there's been a lot of back and forth in the party between the more moderate wing and conservatives, so he may have trouble eventually getting to the 218 votes needed because some republicans say they're not voting for him. jason chaffetz of utah has decided that he is going to run, as well. he's been an outspoken conservative critic of the party. and finally, florida's daniel webster, who is less known, but now the freedom caucus, a group of conservative lawmakers, say that

endorsement right now lies with daniel webster. here is what paul ryan had to say on twitter about this news from the freedom caucus. "i'm grateful for the support of the super majority. i look forward to hearing from the other two caucuses. but i believe this is a positive step towards a." -- towards a united republican team." those meetings will take place -- the wisconsin republican gave to his fellow members to come up with an endorsement for him. he wants to have all of the factions, all three factions, moderate republicans, and the house freedom caucus behind him if he is going to put his name forward as speaker. let me show you the opinion page of usa today. the usa today editorial says that rayyan offers the best bet. the opposing view is written by eric erickson. host of an atlanta-based talk radio show. he says that paul ryan is not conservative enough. he voted for president bush's no child left behind. he voted for the 2005 energy big that was -- full of government mandates. he voted for the debt ceiling plan take a look at what the house freedom caucus said last night in her sta

. the freedom caucus reached the 80% threshold vote level and endorsed daniel webster based on his experience as house speaker. if we want to consider other candidates for house speaker who don't have the kind of experience that daniel webster offers, good experience i might add if you asked people who served in the florida house of representatives or who are familiar with the up tick and reputation of the florida legislature after daniel webster instituted process changes that made the whole legislature work a whole lot better, we like daniel webster and it will be difficult to now get an 80% vote to flip from daniel webster to paul ryan, particularly since paul ryan said he is not sure he wants the job. deirdre: congressman, taking that as a no. thank you for your time. >> thank you. deirdre: congressman mo brooks from capitol hill. when we come back, new developments with the cia director personal email hack. wikileaks releasing some of his personal emails. my next guest says this hurts national security. we'll show you the emails. you can judge for yourself. >>> sony, speaking

jordan said they endorsed daniel webster but would consider paul ryan if he decides to run. >> we've endorsed daniel webster, but paul ryan is a good man. he's a great communicatcommunio. our group would look favorably on him. this is not just about who the next speaker is, it's about what is going to change. the business business as usual attitude, changing is on our minds. >> the big question, though, is would paul ryan want the job? he's mulling it over with his family in wisconsin. they are one of the big reasons he does not want the job but also the political scars that accompany any speaker ship that make the jobless appealing. something newt gingrich warned him about. >> i think paul should be very cautious. he's the most prestigious member with the best future. he's still very young. it's easy to get 218 on the first vote and then you get to keeping the government open through a continuing resolution and then you get to the debt ceiling and if you're not careful by christmas you resemble john boehner. >> now, there had been some talk about newt gingrich himself possibly being

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. congressman daniel webster who has the support of the 40 or so members of the conservative freedom caucus says he's still running for speaker. after this morning's meeting, freedom caucus member expressed his concerns about ryan's rules. >> this is a big job two heartbeats away from the parensy. it shouldn't take lightly. >> nbc news correspondent luke russert joins us. this is such an interesting situation here. you have paul ryan in very stern and stark terms laying out the rules. it sounds like something from the scene of "the godfather," i'm going to make you a deal that you either take or not. i mean this is hard-core negotiations playing out. you have some house republicans, luke, who are upset who felt that congressman ryan should have taken them to the side rather than going before that podium and laying down the law as he did. >> reporter: that's right, tamron. this goes along with what we have heard from ryan's camp since last week, is that he was open to taking this job but if he were to do it, he was going to do it under his conditions because you saw what happened to h

daniel webster for speaker. they both want to bring the conference together. they just disagree on how it should be done. paul ryan thinks the speaker needs more power, and daniel webster thinks that the members need more power. so we all have the same goal here. it's just sort of a differnce of opinion on how to get there. >> let's look at some of this bold list of demands that you're talking about that you think is borderline unreasonable. he wants the party to come together. he wants to be a unifying figure. he does want to change house rules that the rules are made as a team, if you will. he also wants better work/life balance. he said he's not going to travel as much to raise money. how bold really are these demands? >> well, you know, to make sure that everybody will vote for him is a bold list. he said that he wanted every caucus in the gop to be for him. but i'd like to remind him the chairman of the tea party caucus and the chairman of the liberty caucus are two guys he kicked off the budget committee. so it could be tough to get unanimity. i really appreciate his desire t

endorsed daniel webster. paul ryan is a good man, good communicator, the kind of messenger our party needs. if he gets in the race, i think our group would look favorably on him. >> paul ryan is spending the weekend far away from washington. today he's in wisconsin watching football with his wife and three young children. his family is a big part of the reason he said he does not want the job of speaker of the house. though privately he's said to be reconsidering. it is the political scars that would come with being speaker that makes the job perhaps less appealing. it is something former speaker of the house newt gingrich warned him about on fox news sunday. >> i think paul should be very cautious. he's the most prestigious member of the house on the republican side. he has the best future. he's still very young. it is easy to get to 218 on first vote and then keeping the government open through a continuing resolution and then the debt ceiling. if not careful, by christmas, you reemibsemble john boehner. >> there is talk of bringing in an outsider. but today, gingrich says that's inplaus

people, since he and mccarthy are friends. daniel webster of florida, he is now the favorite among those who call themselves kind of the most conservative in the so-called house freedom caucus. moments ago kevin mccarthy walked by me. he insists he's going to be okay, he's going to get the votes later at noon. what's going to happen at noon is a secret ballot. then to get the nomination, which is effectively what this is, the nomination for speaker from the house republicans, it's got to be 125 yeses. and then, you know, if that doesn't happen, there could be multiple ballots but, again, mccarthy insists he feels comfortable, he will get that in the first round, ana. >> really, the key here, though, is not just today's vote. when we look ahead in a few weeks, when the entire house votes, it's not slirly clear it seems that mccarthy's going to win that. >> that's exactly right. what we're going to see october 29th is the actual vote for house speaker because the -- here on capitol hill, almost all the leadership posts are done by the party. once the party nominates them, that's it.

, we have a threshold of 80%, couldn't reach that. we had 80% threshold we reached on daniel webster, i'm supporting daniel, but paul ryan issued a letter tonight that could have been written by daniel webster talked about being more inclusive. the difference between daniel and paul ryan as speaker he delivered on that already. on the floor of the house, and the speaker daniel webster has a great ring to it in history, what will have to happen in the future if paul ryan wants to be successful if and when he gets the vote, he has to deliver on what webster promised to be inclusive and bottom up and have the approval rating, two speakers essentially john boehner and his lieutenant, they didn't get the job or lost the job, it's been history in the making but now we'll have the role test the water what happens as we go forward. lou: paul ryan, as i will tell you i've been somewhat critical, perhaps more than somewhat critical, i oppose his views on open borders, amnesty. the trans-pacific partnership, the free trade deal that makes no sense on any level except to the folks on k street and the

race are jason chaffetz and daniel webster. the more conservative wing backing website er. brave live in washington, what can we expect today. >> we can expect some discord. some are already said they are not supporting mccarthy. he is still considered the front runner. he's the majority leader. he is the number two behind boehner. but the problem is some conservatives think he is too much like john boehner. they have been fighting for a greater voice within the party and not inclined to support mccarthy. jason chaffetz has been a conservative critic and outspoken critic within the party. so we're expecting he will get a decent amount of support and then daniel webster, who is not nearly as well known is the person that the conservative freedom caucus says they are voting for today. about 40 lawmakers there. today an internal vote, that final vote to choose the house speaker is october 29th when democrats get to weigh in. and are they likely to support one of these? or as some of them are say already saying now, they are going for nancy pelosi. she's had the job before. >> thanks

congressman daniel webster and utah representative jason chavez. >> i will support the nominee on the floor and you put your hat in the ring and fight and if you fall short, then you unit. >> chavez, thought to be the underdog promised if thosen he would bridge the divide among house republicans. mccarthy's candidacy showed signs of trouble. out of the gate he stumbled when he appeared to link hillary clinton's poll numbers to the benghazi committee and the house freedom caucus made of up 30 to 40 members announced it was backing daniel webster. 218 is the magic number with victory and with 248 republicans in the house, the winner is all but assured to be a gop member much the final house vote is set for october 29th. in washington, joel waldman, fox news. >> here in the bay area, there are new details now in the shooting death of a yoga instructor. sheriff deputies recovered the weapon used in the killing. the suspects were captured hundreds of miles away in portland, oregon. they're being held and interviewed by the county investigators who travelled to portland. i've been identif

have endorsed daniel webster, but paul ryan is a good man, a great communicator, the kind of messenger our pare neither, and i think our group would look favorably on him. we're much more concerned about reforming the institution. it's about what's going to change the business as usual attitude around there, changing that is foremost on our minds. and that's what we're focused on. >> so simplify it, one of the things you're talking about is control over what bills come to the floor, what amendments come up, a lot of is decentral sax of power. >> totally. >> are you saying paul rye yarn would have to agree to that? >> i think the next speaker has to be committed to that. i know daniel webster is, but here's a great example, the steering committee, they decide who is on what committees, they have all the power and also dish out the punishment. tim huelskamp, a congressman from kansas, a place where they have a bit of agriculture, was kicked off the agriculture committee, because he wouldn't do what the top people in the house told him to do. kicked off the agriculture committee

mccarthy. challengers,of his jason chaffetz of utah. and also from daniel webster, a congressman from florida. take a listen. [indiscernible] >> wait a minute. come on over, guys. come on up. come on up. alright, listen. i think i shocked some of you, huh? listen, we have been going through this campaign talking to a lot of members, but the one thing. i said we ship with the conference first. there's something for us to unite, and we need a fresh face. i will stay on as majority leader. but the one thing i found talking to everybody is we're going to unite and be strong. we need a new face to help do that. so, nothing more than that. i feel good about the decision. i go great to have my family here, my colleagues. going to be stronger. we fought hard to win the majority and turn the country around. step forward.st >> if you are going to run, why change at noon? what happened? kevin mccarthy: we had our conference. there are calls into the district. i don't want making the vote for speaker a tough one. i want to go to the floor with 220. i think the best thing for our party right now i

. >> jason dropped out but daniel webster is still in. he's providing an alternative to paul ryan. >> what's going to be different about paul ryan leading the house, assuming he's elected tomorrow morning? >> ryan is promising a more inclusive process to get more buy in from rank and file members. he's also pledging there will be fewer last minute deadline deals. ryan said yesterday this budget debt ceiling package was a lousy process and basically pledged to change it. last night he said in statement we need a robust dialogue about improving the process so each member has a greater voice. we need a firm deadline to implement change. that's music to the ears of many rank and file house conservatives. that's why we expect tomorrow morning when the house goes to vote for a new speaker that paul ryan should likely have plenty of votes. >> all right. that may be happening live in a couple of minutes. thank you. >>> round three of the republican debate just hours away. 14 republican candidates with two front runners. everybody else fighting for the top spots. what can we expect? >> the

more than 20 republicans both and already has a group behind daniel webster, that florida congressman is expected to be seen as the front-running alternative candidate. republicans are not in sync on that. the volkswagen north american head on the hot seat taking a lot of nasty questions from those on the left and right to say how could you not know this was going on? you have been with the company for 25 years, great complicity going on for the better part of seven years. they expressed shock and awe at that. the third development we are focusing on going to charlie gasparino, something he telegraphed yesterday to hillary clinton coming up with a plan that she says rains in wall street. some of proponents could shut it down but it continues the clarion call, the bernie sanders call to put wall street on notice. >> now the the details are out there is much of what we said yesterday, looking to blunt the criticism from the left the gee is too close to wall street. it is an attack on wall street because she fears joe biden might get in the race. to the political thing, he is very close

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webster -- it is who else is out there? there are two other candidates. daniel webster and jason chaffetz. a know it has a clear path forward for who will rise to become speaker. as of now, we have heard a couple of ideas. votingunez of california perhaps that john boehner should stay on. he other is tom price saying should actually have a caretaker speaker in the next 15 months as the conference tries to call us around someone new. the big thing right now is there is just no answer and no clear candidate. shock is the only way members and staff has just -- have described how they felt around two hours ago. dave: you mentioned the house from caucus wielding a lot of hill.on the what was the critique of mccarthy? phil: that he would not necessarily concede what they wanted or needed. this group that met behind closed doors two weeks ago, decided to vote en masse for daniel webster. that was taking 40 points away from kevin mccarthy. that would not have been a problem today. but he would have needed to end 18 votes on the house floor. there is only 247 republican members. that was

happened to speak with one of them, as you mentioned, daniel webster. he is a congressman from florida but also the former speaker of the florida house. and i asked him whether or not he would, if he doesn't end up winning in today's vote, back kevin mccarthy at the end of the month? listen to what he said. >> i'm going to answer that if i lose. how about that? >> have you been thinking about it? >> no. i've been thinking about winning only. >> and how do you feel in terms of the votes, where do you think you are right now? how many do you have? >> i have no idea. i haven't asked for commitments. i've made my own commitment to them. i would commitment to serving them by telling them the truth, by making them successful, by giving them the idea of putting principle over power and then also by saying that i'll earn the right to be heard, not demand to be heard. >> reporter: and that really is the crux of what we're hearing from the so-called freedom caucus. about 40 or so members who have been really trying to push the entire leadership, the entire republican caucus to move and t

chaffetz of utah and daniel webster of florida. daniel webster got the house freedom caucus, the conservatives' backing. the reason why there are so few candidates is because everybody assumed mccarthy had this all sewn up, that there was no chance for anybody else to emerge. we are getting more reports here, a colleague tells me mccarthy got up before the conference and announced that he was not the person to be the face of the party. so this is developing. this is ongoing. i can just tell you that if it is in fact the 218 argument that mccarthy felt so weak that he was not able to get elected on the first ballot, that just strikes me as a little odd or maybe he did some soul searching over the last week in light of that benghazi gaffe and realized that he did not want to face the scrutiny of the media of being front and center. we mentioned earlier, stephen colbert making fun of the way he spoke. maybe he was not up to the task. but all indications were just until this news came out 15 minutes ago, 10, 15 minutes ago, that he was going for the job. that he wanted it. i got to s

of the budget committee. so, i'm still supporting daniel webster, because he has articulated for changing the process here in washington, d.c. making it functional again. >> just to be clear, that's not a yes on paul ryan. >> that's not a yes. that's a yes for daniel webster. >> is it a no, though, definitively for paul ryan or are you just saying you need to hear more from him? >> i need to hear why he supported t.a.r.p. and i also need to know who or what compelled him as chairman to kick a couple conservatives off his committee. >> congressman massey, let me ask you this, and john brought this up, "the washington post" wrote about this situation, let's call it, in "the washington post." republicans are on the verge of ceasing to function as a national political party. you don't want kevin mccarthy. you want to hear more from paul ryan. you're supporting daniel webster. he does not have a lot of support, though, amongst a lot of the caucus. is this what you wanted? >> you know, it surprised us all when kevin decided not to run yesterday. what surprised us even more is we had tw

nation a challenge from at least one other congressman, daniel webster of florida. did to ha isn't it interesting that last week paul ryan got the votes, got the recommendation, but not an out and out endorsement. why is that? >> i think there is a couple of things. there is great respect for chairman ryan and also great respect for daniel webster. it is not as much about the person as it is the process. we want to make sure washington, d.c. works for the millions of american citizens who believe that we don't know how to govern here in washington, d.c. and so it is more about the process than the person. hopefully we're making good progress there. >> a closed door meeting this wednesday. and then, of course, followed by the full house vote on the floor on thursday. do you think this plays out? >> i think right now it is certainly looking like we'll have a speaker ryan. there are a number of conversations happening almost around the clock to make sure the rules and the way that we do business here in washington, d.c. gets changed. i think there needs to be a down payment, a good faith

it clear on his facebook and twitter accounts that he supports florida congressman daniel webster for speaker.elections in the house for the speaker will be held next week. we'll have complete coverage of all the political headlines of the week,be sure to catch that at 9:30 sunday morning on our sister station, fox 28 and again at 10-30 right here on cbs 2. new this morning, one person was killed and two others injured in yet another shooting on a college campus, this time in nashville at tennessee state university. university.right now, police say the shooting was prompted by a dispute over a dice game. the two other victims have been hospitalized.this shooting comes just a week after three people were wounded by gunfire at an off-campus party just across the street from the same college. cbs 2 news is learning more about the criminal history of a man who's charged with murdering a 4-year-old in a fit of road rage in albuqueque, new mexico. mexico.tony torrez made an initial court appearance thursday.police say the 27-year-old killed lily garcia when he fired at the truck her father

support daniel webster from florida. the freedom caucus has about 40 numbers. that is enough to make things very complicated when the ultimate vote gets to the house floor. a simple majority will carry it inside the republican caucus. i should say the current speaker, outgoing speaker john boehner will appear on tonight's show with jimmy fallon. the united states will not cooperate with russia in the fight against isis. ash carter says no cooperation is possible as long as russia continues to strike other targets. russia's ministry admits it has hit isis targets uses cruise missiles. the pentagon confirming two jets had to be diverted to keep a safe distance from russian fighter jets in the same air space. senior correspondent arwa damon is monitoring the latest from istanbul. arwa. >> reporter: good morning. the u.s. might not want to cooperate with russia, but clearly they are going to have to coordinate to a certain degree to avoid any disaster taking place in the skies. the russians hitting multiple targeting according from the statements from the defense ministry in raqqah and a

are paul ryan and daniel webster who is still running and has some limited support, mostly from isolated members of the house freedom caucus. week, ryan wasst courting support of the freedom caucus and other ideological groups within the conference. most of the freedom caucus now supports ryan, although it's not an official endorsement. it looks to me like ryan has the support to win. it's not going to be unanimous, but then we will see on thursday when it goes to the house floor, whether most members -- ryan behind closed doors it's most members of the conference voting for him on the house floor. the closesto be thing to a unanimous vote we will get out of the house republican conference in a long time. host: in the does end up with paul ryan being speaker, when does that transfer of power take place? >> boehner said he would resign the following day. once you are sworn known -- sworn in on the floor, that's it and boehner would relieve himself of the position, i guess. neuhauser, talking about the election for new speaker, thank you so much. and with paul ryan or daniel webst

paul ryan. the right person at the right time. daniel webster, the republican from florida u.s. at the endorsement of the house freedom out.s says he is not he is still in it. the freedom caucus endorsing him when kevin mccarthy was still seeking the top spot. this morning, front page of the drudge report, king paul, pledge your allegiance is their headline. he is a democrat favorite after harry reid endorsed him for the job and obama's newport are. -- new partner. juliet, what do you think of paul ryan? whenr: i am comfortable, it comes to politics and voting, you'd have to decide who you are comfortable with, you will never be 100% with anyone. i am comfortable, i am ok, i am an independent. host: what do you think he can do that another republican could not do? caller: he is strong. i think he has good relationships around there. i have been watching it a little bit. that is what you need. you need to have good relationships. he has very good ideas. i like what he set about restructuring the culture which is definitely a need we have. on both sides, i am tired of the cold like flavo

the house, think again. congressman daniel webster says this isn't about the individual, it's about the process. he is one of the key candidates here that wants to become the next speaker of the house and congressman joining us exclusively right now, very good to have you. one of the things i noticed after this conference meeting you were asked about paul ryan, sir, you said you're not running against the person or personality but rather the process and a set of principles. what did you mean by that? >> well, i meant that the process -- the way it exists now is a power-base process where a few people at the top of that pyramid of power have all the power but they also run everything. and what i want to do is have something based on principle -- let me give you an example. when i was in the state legislature before i became speaker, i had a bill, the bill was killed not because of what it said, it was killed because i was a lowly freshman rapport whatever, it was my position that killed it. that's the way power works. principle says, look, everybody gets a shot. push down the pyramid

-- kevin mccarthy, daniel webster, and jason chaffetz. what are the key questions your members wanted to know? rep. flores: there were two questions that stood out. the first one was, will you support the nominee that we select tomorrow? the second question was, if we don't have 218 votes for that nominee, how will we get 218 votes so that we have a reasonably unified conference? the third question was, how do we unify our party so that we are more effective and we are working for the american people. host: have you as an individual had a chance to talk individually with each of the three men? rep. flores: i have had individual conversations with each. host: will you or the study committee endorse any candidates prior to thursday's election? rep. flores: no. as chair i don't think it is , appropriate for us to do that. we have over 170 members. they each work for their constituents back home. each of them needs to make the decision that they think is best for their district and constituents. as a result, we don't believe in block voting. we don't believe in an endorsement. what i was try

in a half hour, as you mentioned. his only competition for this speaker's race is daniel webster of florida who had the backing of the freedom caucus members because of his support of restructuring the process on how the house operates, on more of a bottom-up approach as opposed to leadership getting so much dominance. take a listen to what daniel webster had to say about his chances. >> i'm not going to condemn myself until it happens. so i'm going in here with an optimistic heart and we'll see what happens. >> reporter: webster is a long shot, thomas. he's such a long shot he has used this opportunity more as a fund raising mechanism than anything else. he would like a vote in the 230 to 240 rate and that to translate to the house tomorrow for the full-on speakership vote. but i think the greatest indicator that ryan will definitely win, yesterday he was given his own capitol police security detail, which would seem to indicate he's there. that could be the white smoke in capitol hills terms, thomas. >> if you are looking for the papal signs, there we have it. john boehner's so-ca

. not so for congressman daniel webster who told neil cavuto exclusively just two hours ago right here on fox business he is staying in. he wants it. we have all the palace intrigue covered today with former house majority leader tom delay. and tesla's elon musk has a few choice words for apple. the tesla ceo trashing the apple watch and wondering aloud how apple could possibly build an electric car with engineers that elon and tesla have fired? jeff flock on the smack talk in silicon valley. and the national hockey league having a devilover a time -- devil of a time nabbing fans, but the new jersey devils have a plan. we've got that plan exclusively with the ceo. speaking of ceos? the sodastream ceo. he works in israel, he's trying to hire syrian refugees and palestinians. it's a tough go. charlie gasparino and the markets closing in a volatile week. we'reless than an hour -- we're less than an hour to the closing bell. stay right here, and let's start the "countdown." ♪ ♪ liz: it's a nail biter at this hour. the markets on the brink of hitting some major milestones, and here

might have other folks that we're considering. deirdre: one of which, daniel webster, also from florida, would he be a good pick? >> look, we are backing daniel webster but we're going to consider other options as we move forward. daniel webster is a great man and a fellow floridian. i really like him. i think his personal conduct and what he stands for are, make him an outstanding candidate. let's see what else is out there. i will continue to say that we ought to consider outsiders. best athletes if you will. folks that accomplished things outside of just politics. not just another career politician that will go along to get along. we need to shake it up. deirdre: congressman, second time you sate out sighters. i know you have at least one person in mind. who is a booed pick, hypothetical or not? the. >> i think if you looked to the outside world, folks at universities, folks in business leaders, i think you could come up with a good list of republicans that could do this job. and so i hope that we will be have a little bit of imagination as we move forward here and find someo