how to combat islamic state. french president francois hollande is on a diplomatic mission, looking for allies in a war against the i.s. terrorist organization. it is to be a new alliance involving germany, russia, and britain with airstrikes against i.s. strongholds. is that enough? calls for ground troops are growing louder. their deployment would be dangerous with an uncertain outcome. what is the best way to combat i.s.? coming to you from berlin, quadriga. the international debate. your host, peter craven. peter: welcome to this latest edition of quadriga. the shocking terrorist attacks in turkey, lebanon, paris, and tunisia, as well as the downing of a russian passenger plane, have either been claimed by or blamed on islamic state. today, we are asking how to combat i.s. i am joined in the studio by three analysts and commentators. let me introduce you, beginning with ulrike herrmann, a journalist with taz. she says to fight a war, you need money, which is why we need to cut off the cash flow to islamic sta

and none of the candidates wanted to use the words radical islam for fear of promoting islam phobia, i'm good. this country loves islam. we elected captioning sponsored by comedy central it's the nightly show. let's do. (cheers and applause) thank you very much. welcome to the nightly show. oh, thank yous for the whooo. we have a great one for you tonight. before we begin, i want to say a few words about what happened in france over the weekend. we want you to know our hearts are with you. look, france, you are our oldest ally. you understand us more than anybody. you gave us our biggest emotions , bling, you even put up with us when we tried to change the name of your delicious fries. they did. you have always had our back. if somebody [bleep] with you, they [bleep] with us, all right. (cheers and applause) now think about it. libertye, egalite, from aternite. i on a personal night my daughter was born on july 14th, bastille day and has been a francophil ever signs. i promised her shen she was a girl for her 18th birthday i would take her to paris. that birthday is in eight months,

they use the language of islam. we should see that and we should counter that >>> by now you should have some idea of what motivates i.s.i.l. what it's all about next. i'm will talk to a man who says it's not a problem for american, but it's a problem for the muslim world in solving it. that's right after on target >>> we've had some good discussions so far about what motivates i.s.i.l. in ways to figure out how to defeat it. steven cook is a fellow at council of foreign relations. he has got a different take on this. steven is someone i have counted on in the past to try and help us understand some of these issues. he said washington doesn't have anywhere close to enough of an inkling about how i.s.i.l. works to be able to defeat it and maybe shouldn't be in the game at all. how do you say that when you look at this attack in paris and you know but for the ability to get an ocean that could be happening in washington or new york. americans are in this one way or another. shouldn't we be leading in trying to solve t

war with islam. i don't think we are at war with all muslims. i think we are at war with jihadist. >> i believe calling it what it is, that it is to say radical ji hadis that is calling it what it is. >> larry: so why is it call to call them radical jihadist but not radical islamists. i haven't been this is he mantically confused since learning about the word niggardly. it just-- my head, i don't can't-- dopt use that word. i guess you can, i guess-- now look, i get it, i get it, some people on the left don't want people to conflate islam with radical islam but you know people are going to do that regardless of what you call them. haters going to hate, and conflaters are going to conflate. so why not be clear. i mean the word radical is the key modifier, by saying radical islam by definition are you saying that not all muslims are radical. if anything you hear the term radical islams should clarify our view of radical normal muslims, to clarify please welcome riz want fahad. riz want. >> thanks for j

islamic or not. traditional scholars come out and say, no, no, this couldn't be. this has nothing to do with islam and with islamic state coming out with chapter and verse it creates a question in the minds of. >> rose: you didn't write the headline. >> i did not, but it's your story. >> yes. >> rose: tell me about those two points. strands of blame, and no single miskey. when you look at the many strands, if we had not invaded iraq ting would be a question of whether or not isis would exist. the invasion of iraq and the way we go it it gave zarkowy a clears path. there were many inflection points of getting the sunni and shia affect. it didn't happen overnight. then there's the question of, you know, president obama and a lot of people say, "well, you know, the withdrawal from iraq, you know, we had them down. that's the real sort of--." >> rose: we left no troops there. >> exactly, we left no troops there. the iraqis didn't want us there but the question of could we have pushed hard tore get the pe

and ategic victory major setback for the islamic stat organization. kurdish peshmerga forces seized control of the northern iraqi town of sinjar. a marked man -- u.s. military officials say they are reasonably certain that a drone has killed the islamic state militant dubbed jihadi john. burma's electoral commission confirms that aung san suu kyi's national league of democracy has won enough seats to form a government. tom: good evening. backed up by u.s. air power, kurdish peshmerga forces are reported today to have seized control of the northern iraqi town of sinjar, described as one of the most american setbacks to date for the islamic state organization, because it effectively cuts off vital jihadists.ed by the it is expected to have a significant impact on the bid to free the islamic state stronghold of mosul. reporter: marching into sinjar, just a day after launching in their offensive against the islamic state group stronghold, peshmerga fighters said about attempting to secure the town. >> peshmerga forces are now inside sinjar. they are going

he was in that category of he believed found the islam in state almost to be a life of -- the islamic state almost to be a life of reduction after a life ups and. that seems to be a very common trope. belief, but sincere it's after a long time of lacking any belief at all. consistent --s is withthe us is consistent isis. the founder found redemption in religion, the idea of a state. it's not surprising to find people like that finding the state attractive. charlie: america will not find redemption in religion? ian: indeed. calorie, again, he is considered to be the father? ian: he is the intellectual father. afghanistan, he is hiding out in iran, he's thinking about where to go next. he sees the americans are going to go to iraq and he decides to pre-position his network of terrorists before the americans arrive in order to create chaos because he believes that he can capitalize on it to found an islamic states. charlie: at that point, before did he make the connection with those at iraqi generals? will: he did. and a number of them joined up with his organization. charlie: what do we

al qaeda's cause is not islam. it's a gross distortion of islam. the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of islam. isil is not islamic. no religion condones the killing of innocents. the vast majority of isil's victims have been muslim. we have confirmed again and again the united states will never be at war with islam. islam teaches peace. >> add to that, mr. speaker, what hillary said tonight, and bernie sanders tonight. how do you interpret their inability, it's not even a reluctance, it's a refusal. >> historians will some day look back and see this as almost a psychos psychosis. this sa psychological problem. this is not an intellectual problem. if you want to start comparison, look at the president of egypt who sa practicing muslim, and it's a bit much for a president of the united states, presumably they have some notion of their own religion, and don't need lectures from the american president. assisi is a practicing muslim, went to see the major imams at the cairo university, and lectured them ferociously and said, look

they named themselves the islamic state and islamic front. why here when it comes -- they want to change its same to an arabic man, which has the same meaning. it is really silly. i'm really shocked by this. its name is islamic state. we have to call it islamic state. like the united states, we call it the united states. barbaric or this is whatever. this is the problem. daesh in arabic, it is a shortening of islamic state and iraq and syria. that's it. many people in the arab world, they hide the sun by a little, what we call it, a little piece of cloth or something like that. theman't -- you can't deny are named. you can't avoid -- you don't defeat of by saying it is daesh, not islamic state. it is islamic and it is state. when i say islamic, they are adopting the worlds interpretation of islam. andh was originated national solidarity. it is a state because it has all all of thelogy, state. they have an army, police, administration, cabinet, their own currency, their own flag, 9 million or 10 million with citizenship, whatever. they are dea

for some, in the west, it creates questions about whether the islamic state is truly islamic or not. traditional scholars come out and say, no, no, this has nothing to do with islam. and then the islamic state comes out chapter and verse. it creates questions in the minds of young muslims. some of them end up joining as a consequence. charlie: in your piece in "the new york times" today, many strands of blame, but no single missed key to the group's terrifying and complex puzzle. you didn't write the headline -- ian: i did not. [laughter] charlie: but it's your story. tell me about those strands of blame, but no single missed key. ian: when you look at the many strands of blame, i mean clearly, if we had not invaded iraq, i think it would be a question about whether isis would exist. the invasion of iraq and the way that we did it gave zarqawi a very clear path forward. charlie: and allowed the sectarian war to fester. ian: exactly. there were many inflection points of getting the sunnis and the shia together. it didn't happen overnight. then there is the question of president obama.

likely see an islamic state, a harmonious islamic society. >> very good. savagery is the manual of the islamic state. when he wrote this manual, the movement, he actually concentrated. and what he was to say, look, we have to create anarchy. this is our time to take over. what he means by that and when we create this is the best environment for us. it's a good example. some maximum. the user for two reasons. stated terrorism from a state of fear, state of worries. and that happened. as a brutal organization, killing everyone in their way. the 2nd thing, they use savagery. we are very strong. we actually can for those people who are against us or our nonbelievers. so savagery is extremely important. when they send them in the paris because they want you will see this. they airports and train stations. this is the message. also, the other points, they have started. kills more than 40 people. now the french government, more than $70 billion. the tourism. in order to reflect. again, russian, again, for the middle east. they know what they're doing. they actual

the islamic state is islamic, very islamic. first i want to go to our own ashley webster with you are breaking news. what are they trying to do to find the guy. the 8th terrorist right now? reporter: it has been a frustrating go, there is no doubt about that, trish. by all accounts he was spotted in a city in belgium. he once again managed to stop and slip through the net and is headed to germany. at least that is the belief of authorities. but again, efforts to find him after some 22 raids in brussels overnight and leige failed to turn him up. four people charged in brussels with terrorist attacks. the explosives belt had no detonator, thank goodness. literally 3 1/2 miles south of my location in southern paris in the community of montroge. it was found by a street cleaner under some trash. police are analyzing to see if it has any connection to the attacks on november this. we should point out the paris police are still trying to find out identity of a third suicide bomber who killed himself. they believe he snuck in with syr

is there anything islamic? is there anything important from the religion that is part of the ideological of this group. if you go to the literature of the islamic state, you will find that it is a revival of this collar mohammed he called it the peer ten islam. that's why the saudi government and it became a burden on the shoulder so the people of the islamic state are repeating the same steps and legacy of mohammed. they are imitating the same group and that's why they are very effective. many of them are sympathetic to their ideology. if you notice, so none of those responded to this call because they knew that. this kind of ideology that is deeply rooted. >> your book makes a very strong case for that. as i was reading your book, book, it seemed to me that there are also seem to be influences of the liberation party. begins in palestine in the early 20th century. do you see any evidence of that kind of thinking as well? >> yes, definitely. the ideology is a peaceful one. they actually adopt military action b

from radical islam. in fact, it was just hours ago that the islamic state terror group posted a new video, promising to "strike america at its center in washington." while the group often posts messages like these, they can take on a chilling new impact when you see pictures like this, from inside the french concert hall moments before the terrorists attacked, and then compare that image to this one. a horrifying aftermath. we have blurred the bodies. as young men, armed with shotguns went from person to person inside that same concert hall, attempting to send a dp s grisly message to the world. our nation's leading homeland security voices are warning today and have been for months that this threat may already be on our doorstep. >> we've arrested over 70 isis followers in the united states over the last year. that's more than one per week. we have investigations in all 50 states. we have 900 investigations ongoing in the united states in the homeland as i speak. you know, you just can't stop ate all, a

, radical islam with islamic schools, with jihadism itself? alan: we have to talk to saudis in no uncertain terms. yes, you're being discriminated. yes, you're being marginalized. as has every minority. t is a terrible thing. ut juice for centuryries were -- jews for centuries were marginalized. they didn't start blowing people up. the blacks in united states have witnessed slavery and they are still not -- still don't have equal rights but they are not blowing people up. so for allah's sake, stop this. you have to do something about this cancer in your midst. melinda: thank you very much. afraid we have to stop right there. thanks to all of you for tuning in. we leave you with images of some of the destruction that was wrought in paris and elsewhere. asiem: let's talk about moderate fascism. ññ ú announcer: this is a production of china central television america. mike: there are more than 18,000,000 asian-americans currently living in the united states. the largest group is of chinese descent. from the entertainment industry to food an

and it is based -- >> on the islamic state is islamic. which he refuses. >> and it's based on words in the koran that come from mohammed and in the hadiz which have to be read out. they have to be read out as good muslims do. they read it out and get rid of it. >> 9/11 commission report, mr. mayor, you remember. >> i testified. >> and what did it say? >> they are at war with us. we're not at war with them. >> totally ridiculous. how many times on your show have i said over the last six years it's totally irrelevant whether he thinks they're at war with him. they're at war with us. patiently the socialist president of france realizes we're at war with them. and our american president can't get it. >> how big an impact on this election? >> i think it should have an amazing impact on this election. because what happened in paris can happen in any american city or any -- >> scary. >> -- western european city. and you and i have been predicting this for five years. >> yes. i pray we're wrong. i pray i am so wrong. >> now we know we weren't wro

just how wealthy is the islamic state group? >> i don't think we can say. a lot of the assertions made about how much money it has are really just kind of spin bowling it. that being said, it has a lot of resources, obviously. if you were to rank it among the is comparablyit among the world's poorest. thatming to the sale of crude and refined oil, who is actually buying it? >> a lot of it is just going on to the black market. there is a thriving black market for oil in the area, for a variety of reasons. a lot of times the end buyers do not know it is the islamic state they're getting it from. one thing the coalition has started doing which it was not before is bombing the islamic state tankers, the trucks taking the oil out to market, which is something that will serve have an economic impact on the organization. are the other sources of money for this organization? >> it's believed the biggest source of revenue is taxed evasion or extortion of their own population. they are known to make money from the antiquities market, taking antiquities they were able

french president hollande has declared war against the islamic state. he said the world would be better off if putin and obama were to work together to crush the islamic state, and hollande meets both presidents separately next week, but as for the world's only superpower, president obama seems content to defend his ludicrous statements about containment of the islamic state. acting as though americans such fools will forget he promised to, quote, degrade and destroy, end quote, the islamic state some 14 months ago. >> i don't think they're gaining strength. what is true is that from the start our goal has been first to contain, and we have contained them. >> it's best that we don't shoot first and aim later. it's important for us to get the strategy right and the strategy we are pursuing is the right one. lou: such sophomoric sophistry from our president that ignores the fact we've been at war with radical islamists for 14 years, and sillenes posing as strategy. apparently someone in the administration, most likely not the president realized how enerva

most of the islamic state is sunni. >> that's exactly right, yep. and again, it has to have the language, the dialect, the knowledge of the religion. >religion, and this is challenging. >> rose: how much support was i.s.i.s. have in the other sunni states -- saudi arabia, the emirates -- >> there is no official support for them. the governments in those countries have fought against al quaida, they've done everything take and i can assure you, when i was the director of the c.i.a., if we took something to one of those countries that was hard and fast, that they would deal with that. in fact, we were all very, very closely linked to -- >> rose: whenever you would present the king of saudi arabia with evidence of something that you had hard and fast facts, they'd respond to it? >> yes, and, again, there is a very close partnership in each of these countries between u.s. law enforcement, u.s. intelligence community and the host nation governments, and that's because they were battling these individuals. let's remember that when he was the deputy minist

does not represent islam. the problem is not islam. blaming islam won't resolve isis. isis will only be resolved by the underlying causes that we need to take care of militarily and also by economics and political solutions in that region. >> appreciate you both being here. i wish we had more time. thank you. so where do you stand on this debate? tweet me and i will read some of your tweets at the end of the broadcast. just ahead, for me, john kasich has been one of the rational gop presidential candidates. now he want as government agency to promote judeo christian values. i don't think it's a good idea and i will talk with a top conservative about that next. . >>> presidential candidate john kasich is touting an idea to spread judeo-christian ideas. >> i will consolidate them into a new agency that has a clear mandate to promote the core judeo-christian western values that we and our friends and allies share, the values of human rights, the values of democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of association. >> i want to ask tony perkins about tha

sinjar from islamic state. is there hope that today could be a major turning point in the struggle against islamic state? >> certainly the kurds are presenting it in that kind of way. for the white house, certainly more cautious language. but they are ready to talk about what he said in his briefing in the white house about important progress being made. i think you will see that the pressure has been rising on the united states to show some form of progress in its battle against islamic state, not least is a couple of months ago vladimir putin so dramatically intervened in the conflict in syria. now we have this diplomacy going on in vienna, there's a refugee crisis getting worse by the day in europe. the pressure on the united states to show that it is still not being kind of left behind as the situation spins out of control is extremely high. anchor: richard walker in washington, thank you for bringing us up to date on this story. now, to some of the other stories making news around the world. in iraq, a sui

in the islamic philosophy of the theory of four, it is something applied in the islamic cosmology. something that is part. meaning that isis considers now that europe or the united states, due to the muslim nation. it is not for the remote enemy, it is the kind of attempt. these are some points i just want to remind you of. they will weigh on the debate. what will france do? what can we expect out of that? first of all of course, you have seen it. france will upgrade strikes over most of, today, for the first time in a long time french aircraft have taken off from the charles de gaulle this morning to hit iraq. of course, france will be much more active in the airstrike campaign. this is probably based on the output of the meeting, and if they agree on that they will accompany. this is a departure of the former french reluctance to do that. i will explain this in a second. the second important dynamic at play in france, something i would like to really have in mind to understand what is happening in france, this is strong and probably this will increase. there is a strong pressure

does not represent islam. the problem is not islam. blami blaming islam won't resolve isis. isis will only be resolved by the underlying causes that we need to take care of militarily and political and economic solutions. >> i wish we had more time. thank you. so where do you stand on this debate? tweet me and i will read some of your tweets at the end of the broadcast. just ahead, for me, john kasich has been one of the rational gop presidential candidates. now he want as government agency to promote judeo christian values. i don't think it's a good idea and i will talk with a top conservative about that next. or. because, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. as a health services and innovation company optum powers modern healthcare by connecting every part of it. so while the world keeps searching for healthier we're here to make healthier happen. the great beauty of owning a property is that you can create wealth through capital ap

the cultural goods under islamic state control also bring in revenue. it sells artifacts illegally with most money coming from europe. >> for example, from france. it may have been used to finance the terrible attacks in paris. the financing of small operations is with small amounts, not hundreds of thousands of euros. we must be able to identify and pursue the illegal activities. intelligence agencies say terrorists have received funding from countries like saudi arabia in recent years. private individuals are believed to be providing financial assistance. the g 20 members want to track down this money and freeze the accounts of terrorists. brent: -- guest: the french president has announced eight half thousand police jobs that could provide the french economy with a boost. will it be enough to persuade weary travelers to keep coming to paris? just earlier this year, "charlie hebdo" and a jewish supermarket were attacked. parisians themselves are determined to put on a brave face. reporter: many attractions in the french capital were closed for three d

various parties are already bombing the islamic state in syria. the aim of this resolution is to further coordinate the efforts from those members of the security council. that could be put to the vote as early as friday afternoon. at the moment, we are expecting it to be tuesday. it may be moved forward, because there is a sense of urgency, of course, following the attacks in paris. there is also a russian resolution, but it doesn't seem that one is making much headway. it's very similar to the resolution that was presented during the un's general assembly, and it calls for a much broader coalition to fight terrorism. western powers have utter -- have a problem with many aspects of that text. it implies that assad should be part of the battle against i slamic state, and western powers don't want to bow to assad. anchor: memorials are being held france,at the stade de not far from yesterday's raid where two were killed and eight others were arrested in connection to friday's events. in the wake of friday's attacks, psychologists say many people ar

al qaeda's cause is not islam. it's a gross distortion of islam. >> he's now going to take in syrian refugees. is he gambling with the live of americans? >> he is. taking in syrian refugees without the intelligence base on which to do any kind of an analysis of who they are, what they are or where they came from, where is that going to come from? we don't have cia agents or many of them at least in syria. we don't have soldiers in syria. we don't know the background. >> wouldn't they be trained to lie to us? >> of course. >> are you a member of isis? no. >> also the theology is wanting. he didn't read the entire koran. mohammed was a warrior. >> among other things. >> so what you have to do is interpret out that part of mohammed that went and killed 4,000, 5,000 jews in korash and hadiz and bury them in a mass grave. you have to read out the invocation toward the end of his life that, to be a good muslim and to follow the life of the prophet, you have to get someone to convert, kill them or have them pay tribute. t

state and the excuses for failure to degrade and destroy the islamic state. the government watchdog is now expanding its investigation into allegations the obama warehouse has distorted intelligence assessments with a campaign against the islamic state and the new poll shows a record high of americans 66% don't believe he has a clear idea how to deal with terrorist now ascended like a community organizer mr. obama tried to blame the media for the islamic state the same charges made against republicans over the weekend >> comedienne needs to help. >> how we report on this. and not empowered in any way these terrorist organizations or to elevate them in ways that make it easier for them to recruit or make them stronger. they are a bunch of killers with good social media. lou: and there you have it we will take it up with k.t. mcfarland and dr. volleyed fare is. for the second time in one week groups and syrians have turned up in mexico at a border crossing seeking asylum at honduras trying to get into the united states we don't know their intentions but more ca

the house of islam. if we want to figure out to our foes and friends are, you cannot do that. hillary herself called on g hogg. it is a religious concept that many of us are trying to abort into history. you cannot engage unless they have the courage to lead america into identifying into the house of islam. >> if i were islamic, i was kind of want to know that people do define it. this is not something about the entire religion. it is about the minority. the extremists, the radicals. i also want to know that the community add a whole is embracing the need for some kind of dialogue. rough form will really have to start in the religious community itself. the leaders of these mosques. >> absolutely. this whole issue becomes a tool. letting muslims off the hook. egypt with the muslim brotherhood. the islamic republic of iran. we do not seem to bother with any harper not calling them islamic. these countries are oppression. if we want them to take ownership of our house, we need to call a state to state. it r

they have a different relationship with islam. one thing we fail to remember is the minority of muslims of islamists who are creating these terrorist acts are victimizing everybody. and when we are soft on the islamists, when we go gentry on the terrorists, when we lure them up, we don't do anything it takes to stop them to get every last ounce of information out of them, we are hurting the muslim populations. these people, when they shot into the restaurant, they didn't ask for id cards, are you christian, jew or muslim? these are people who believe they're on a mission from god to slaughter everyone until they rule. and as unrealistic as them ruling may be, what matters is they believe it, and again, the scale of this in paris, a city for which i have great affection for my enlisted days in the army, used to go there every weekend just about. it's a wonderful city, it really is. and to see this happening on this scale with, this blood thirst, can't our president wake up? >> yeah, there are going to be a huge number of questions,

identify the enemy as radical islam. we cannot pretend it is not a radical form of islam. it is. >> when democratic candidate bernie sanders hosted a town hall recently a muslim american student took to the stage to vent. >> hearing the rhetoric going on in the media makes me sick. i am an individual constantly trying to raise awareness and make sure everyone is treated equally in this country. to the next president of the united states, what do you think about that? [ applause ] >> the number of muslims in america has doubled over the last seven years and gallup polls in recent years have found they're amongst the most integrated religious groups in america but nearly half say they've experienced discrimination. >> so how to resolve this? now for years, millions of christians in america have had study bibles to lean on for inspiration and for learning. now a radical attempt to make islam more accessible. the same publishers have come out with the study koran aimed at muslims, christians and all religions in the united s

airstrikes on islamic state targets in syria. he says the u.k. is already at its highest terror threat from jihadist. the french president continues his push for a joint force against the islamic state group after talks with leaders of germany and italy. he sets his sights on a key mating and moscow. its --set to employ after turkey downs one of its planes in disputed circumstances. also coming up this hour, one of brazil's richest men and a senator have been arrested over the corruption scandal at the oil company petrobras. happy thanksgiving to our american viewers. introducingyou -- you to the brand-new totus. this is live from paris. we start in the united kingdom, where the prime minister has been presenting its arguments for why britain should join the international coalition and carry out airstrikes against the islamic state in syria. let's hear what the prime minister had to say. >> action now is that the success in iraq and squeezing the so-called caliphate is put at risk by our failure to act in syria. seriously hamper our efforts if we

because that is the furthest from islam. because a muslim would not kill just for the sake of killing. especially killing woman or elderlies, or kids. >> so ayaan, what do you make of what he is saying? he is obviously in grief but he is basically saying that these people are perverting islam? >> so i acknowledge his grief. i feel his pain. but they are not perverting islam. the people who killed his relatives are invoking the quran. the question is they invoke the prophet muhammed. 1.6 billion people aspire to follow his example. did mohamed behavior in the ways they portray him? and the uncomfortable truth is yes, he did. can he be an example in that way? if not what should muslims do or say about it. what about jihad? what about sharia law? what about investing in life after death? these are problematic concepts in islamic history. and it is promoted not only by crazy individuals who feel disenfranchised and marginalized in europe. they have been pouring a lot of money into this narrative. and now we are seeing the world

kurdish and islamic troops are being backed by u.s. airstrikes. islamic militants took control of sinjar last year, forcing thousands of people from the yazidi ethnic minority to flee. that prompted the u.s. to begin airstrikes against the i.s. in iraq and syria for the first time. in other news, we turn to the process -- the prospect of fortress europe. listen to the words of donald tusk just a few hours ago, quote , "without effective control of our external borders, the schengen open border zone will not survive." he made the comment at the end of the summit aimed at flowing -- slowing the flow of migrants into europe. the talks yielded a 1.8 billion euro action plan. >> it's a document and that bringing europe a step closer to making the migration crisis manageable. the continent's leaders signing an emergency trust fund aimed at tackling some of the root causes of the crisis, people smuggling, poverty, and a lack of economic opportunity in africa. >> we are under no illusions that we can improve the situation overnight, but we are committed t

but we need to get serious about stop i stopping the radical islamic terrorists who are using the islamic state as a sanctuary from which to export terror. that is something that needs to be stopped because that is in the united states critical national security interests. and until we do it, they're going to continue to export terror. >> let me ask you quickly before we go. a lot was made this week about a comment by michael flynn. he said that isis in syria that it was down played because it didn't fit into the white house narrative. and then you've got panetta saying, you know, they're not joining. there's no coalition. there's no coordination. you know, we've had all of these people who were in the administration coming out now and saying hey, guys it's not what they say it is. how does it make you feel? >> well, very, very frustrated. because once again our enemies radical islamic terrorists only understand power. they don't care about words. so what we need to do is speak in a language that they understand. and that is to apply force rapidly and decisively. as i've said before, we n

islam versus islamism. the faith many people want to name mistakenly this perversion of the faith isis has indoctrinated in the notion of a state and these people who exploded themselves came in the name of. explain the distinction. >> the vast majority of muslims hate isis and view it as a perversion of the religion. isis themselves think their interpretation of the religion is the only acceptable interpretation of the religion. >> what's the difference between islam and islamism? >> islam is a religion and islamism is a movement. there are lots of different timestime s times of islamism more moderate perhaps the islam brotherhood and different shade shades. these isis suicide bombers that came to paris to launch these attacks are religiously motivated. they believe they're going paradise and the key part of the motivation and why we saw them blow themselves up. that's exactly what they wanted to see happen and this has been very powerful for all the recruits going to syria and iraq. >> words matter and ra

but within islam and using islamic theology, islamic tradition, islamic philosophy, we have hundreds of thousands of people who are at war with us. now, we have to ultimately respond to that and not only to the latest thing. the islamic state is less than two years old but islamic extremists who want to destroy our way of life, our civilization and our belief system, that is started before this election cycle and is going to continue. and we have to come up together with a way of defending ourselves and defeating them honestly. >> is this just the literal lit interpretation of the quaran? of the warrior life of mohammed? >> this is the literal translation, a desire to emulate, to copy mohammed, in the time he became a warrior and started to introduce sharia law and thereafter. there are a lot of muslims, there are millions of peace-loving muslims who want peace, that is true. but when you look at the islamic theology being used by groups like the islamic state, it is there. the answer is to change and repudiate the violence, you know, aspect of islam. >> for example? >> there are mus

the face of terror is not the true face of islam. that's not what islam is all about. islam is peace. these terrorists don't represent peace. they represent evil and war. when we think of islam, we think of the faith that brings comfort to over a billion people around the world. billions of people find comfort and solace and peace and that's made brothers and sisters out of every race. out of every race. america counts millions of muslims among our citizens. and muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. they're doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shop keepers, moms and dads. and they need be treated with respect. and our anger and emotion are fellow americans must treat each other with respect. women who cover their heads in this country, must feel comfortable going outside their homes. moms who wear cover must not be intimidated in america. that's not the america i know. that's not the america i value. i've been told that some fear to leave, some don't want to go shopping for their families. some don't want

al qaeda's cause is not islam. it's a gross distortion of islam. the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of islam. isil is not islamic. no religion condones the killing of innocents. the vast majority of isil's victims have been muslim. we have confirmed again and again the united states will never be at war with islam. islam teaches peace. >> add to that, mr. speaker, what hillary said tonight, and bernie sanders tonight. how do you interpret their inability, it's not even a reluctance, it's a refusal. >> historians will some day look back and see this as almost a psychos psychosis. this sa psychological problem. this is not an intellectual problem. if you want to start comparison, look at the president of egypt who sa practicing muslim, and it's a bit much for a president of the united states, presumably they have some notion of their own religion, and don't need lectures from the american president. assisi is a practicing muslim, went to see the major imams at the cairo university, and lectured them ferociously and said, look

i think we give some legitimacy to the islamic state when we call them the islamic state. why can't we come up with another term? the organization i think is what some people call them in the middle east. and it is a battle of words, even when you say islamic terror, you know, there's a huge rift in our domestic politics on what is islamic terror -- terrorists. i would imagine these people like being called islamic terrorists. i will take your answer off the air. thanks. >> in arabic, they are either called. [ speaking a foreign language ] what al jazeera calls them or daesh. you have to be careful about language, but you also have to be careful not to be afraid of your shadow. if the islamic state makes a powerful claim to being an islamisting islamist organization, it do you need to challenge them on that territory. maybe the u.s. government can't do that but somebody needs to challenge them on that. sometimes i see some of the propaganda in the middle east and they will say things like -- we don't understand why the islamic state did this. why did they blow up these tem

and i ask, isn't islam? is it a ticket to become becoming jihadi rather than jihadi teeing a ticket to become muslim? this is very important and cannot be stressed enough. we cannot call it, you say, what do we call them? it is not up to us. i think the groups, the islamic states, is best described by al qaeda when they announce it. al qaeda called it, the group that called itself the islamic state. that is a group that is not in and of itself a state. this is a more accurate description. i am cynical about isis, isil. they all contain the islamic state. it does not do it. i would rather call them, the group that calls itself the islamic state. it is not a state in the sense it is not seeking a seat at the united stations, nor does it want it, nor is it going to have a seat on the united nations. so, i think, you know, it is on some of these things we need to knowledge how groups define themselves. we cannot decide how they define themselves. when we study them, we have to of knowledge that hard. at the same

and is islam the problem? some surprising answers from the former chief rabbi of the united kingdom. also in a week's time, world leaders will gather in paris. yes, paris, for a long planned meeting, planned for the attacks. secretary of state john kerry will be there and he will tell us why it's so important. but first, here's my take. henry kissen engineer noted in his adult lifetime, the united states has fought five major wars and began each one with great enthusiasm and public support. in all of them, americans eventually began to ask, how quickly can you withdraw. in three, he say, the united states withdrew its forces unilaterally. today, we're watching enthusiasm for a much expanded war against isis. let us try to make sure we understand what it would entail not just to start it, but also to end it. one place to learn some lessons might be from a strategy that has been relatively successful. the war against al qaeda. as peter burr again noted in 2012, a year after osama bin laden's death, the group's l

charlie: islamic groups. david: quite right. there's quite a tug of war going on among these different groups, each trying to get as many adherences as possible, trying to make inroads in afghanistan, for example, trying to make inroads in yemen, sinai, libya. a number of different locations where the islamic state has spread its tentacles. and again, nothing succeeds like success in the recruitment of jihadis. charlie: there is al qaeda, then there are al qaeda affiliates that we often talk about. you look at mali, that was an al qaeda affiliate. david: we believe so, yes. i haven't seen the exact attribution of that but the expectation is that that is al qaeda in the islamic lands. charlie: and you have al qaeda affiliates in the rest of the world as well. in africa, especially. david: in yemen. in afghanistan. small. but still there. certainly. charlie: when you move to syria, what are the options in syria? where the russians have changed the dynamics of the game. david: they have. they have added a huge additional level of c