. >> and now john stossel. [applause] john: happy halloween. we celebrate halloween because 2000 years ago the celts in northern france the harvest season was wounded people were turned to wreck crops and do other mean things. they believe wearing costumes might scare up the ghost. i'm not sure how we got from that to children wearing costumes and wolfing down candy, but that's what we have in america today. we also have some seasonal businesses making millions now off of fear. these people in new york city are waiting in line to pay $30 so they can be scared by actors who jump out of the dark. the owner of the business called what manner says the idea is when customers get so scared they fall down. when you see someone hit the ground and crawl out we have three different chicken doors and normally they pans. john: great, they had chicken doors? people paid to be that scared? why? margee kerr study sphere. she's a fierce sociologist at the university of pittsburgh peerage he works in the place in pennsylvania called scare house that's similar t

john: why? margee: you have a chemical cascade preparing her body to be strong and endorphins and dopamine and all these things are feeling good periods for some people that could be a draw too. john: i assume scare house was totally new but in the 17th century i think we have a picture the russians were doing something similar? margee: the precursor to the rollercoaster and e there you have it. we have been seeking that feeling forever. john: when we in the news business talk about fear we access about things that might kill us. crime, terrorism and we will talk about that later in the show but i was surprised in times square most people did not ring up physical threats. what do you fear? >> what do i really fear? failure is a big one. >> probably failure. i'm worried about not getting a good job. john: what do you fear in life? >> absolutely nothing but the socialist party. john: what do you fear in life? >> going to hell. john: in terms of safety before you go to hell? >> i really don't fear

john: i have noticed. rand: nobody knows what economic system that celebrities for bit trust him because he is smarter and all-powerful and given more power and he will fix everything. as a long-standing tradition in our country going back even to the magna carta on trying to limit power of people living for too too much power in the hands of an individual comic -- john: even donald trump? rand: even a benign autocrat like trumpet maybe it may not be so good to have so much power the hands of one person. john: i am glad you call him benign. rand: perhaps benign. john: you in your time as senator had pushback against the washington elites. you have filibustered the nsa spying and lying about spying and you oppose budgets that actually cut spending instead of just slowing the growth which is fairly radical to get people's attention. you made -- he made this video where he takes a chainsaw to the tax code. rand: i'm rand paul and i'm trying to kill the tax code, all 70,000 pages of it. john: i like that obvio

john: how can government protect us? when politicians spend so much time obsessing about other things. >> drugs are menacing our society. john: government orders colleges, make sure students feel safe. >> just want to be together. john: some politicians are obsessed with gambling. new york's attorney general issuing a cease-and-desist order. >> let people play, who cares! >> if you're a rich businessman you may get your cronies in government to forcibly take people's property. >> for you to call them cronies it's unfair. john: politician are cronies of businessman, safety nannies and aspiring social engineers. instead of keeping us safe, they chip away at our liberty. that's our show, tonight. obviously, the biggest threat to liberty is one that will take your life. recently in paris, terrorists killed more than 130 people, and afterward, isis bragged we successfully attacked the capital of prostitution and obscenity. were prostitution and obscenity the reason the murderers did what they did? i don't presume to know. but

tell us, john. john: laura bush. clarence: laura bush, ok. john: starting with a radio address in 2001 on the oppression of afghan women. laura bush continues to be solved -- involved with her afghan women's project at the bush insurance institute. she has remained active on the issue as a former first lady. peter o.: i think what she said there basically was right. she didn't say it in saudi arabia but qatar. as for afghanistan, i hate to say it but mr. obama, we've pulled out of there. the taliban on the move and lord help those girls and women if that thing goes down to the taliban because for all our lectures and the rest of it, the muslim world by and large does not agree on the kind of quality for women that we do here in the united states. there are 1.5 billion people -- tom: that's why i think michelle obama making that speech was much better than bring back our girls with a sad face. this was michelle obama doing something important and passionate. i give her credit going for qatar. the problem i would say is that we have to say mich

john: the word is elegant. until then, sayonara. ♪ quick she founded a genetic testing company on one big idea, to create a dna database so big and could single-handedly move science forward, even help cure deadly diseases. but in 2013, a near disastrous lull. had to ceo anne wojcicki face a very public divorce him her husband, google founder sergey brin.

john: jeb bush has to stop giving soundbites like the one he gave to john carl today. to me, it is hard for bush to change the dynamic because there are so many bush supporters who do not want him to go negative on rubio. everybody else is going negative. i think jeb bush has to find his stride and let other people do the dirty work. mark: don't go after other people, just talk about yourself. he said that he will focus on talking about america's economy in the next debate. john: we are on the tube for an hour twice a day at 5:00 and 8:00. mark: until then, thank you for watching. we will see you. sayonara. ♪ ♪ >> he worked alongside steve jobs and became known as the godfather of the ipod. apple, thenecade at started a company of his own, , where he promised to invent every unloved product in the home. snapped it up for three point -- $3.2 billion. tony fadell

john: i think the "ft" does make money. as everybody knows, it was a lush year profits of 24 million pounds on sales of 300 million pounds. i very much believe the "ft" has a sustainable and profitable future. but the best way of ensuring it can maximize that is by being part of a company that is completely and absolutely focused on journalism. that is what nikkei brings. and i think -- being in the business of global journalism, it is a great thing to be in. really important, wide social purpose. being in the business of global education, likewise, really important to the future of the world and great opportunities to grow. but those are two quite different horses, and you cannot ride them both simultaneously. francine: was there any moment in the negotiations where you thought, actually, the "ft" is such a big brand that we shouldn't be letting it go? john: personally, a hugely difficult decision for me. when i joined pearson back in 1997, its ownership of the "ft" was one of the things that attracted me. and ironically,

john: technology? >> commission and then take on the taxis and require $100,000 to drive a taxi or the self-employed people to be the taxicab commissions. people decide i will be a small business personal but myself with airbnb. as the post office shrinks as people use e-mail and on-line sales have broken down with competition and. john: thank you. we're all better off with americans for tax reform. maybe we should be optimistic because throughout history people have repeatedly been proven wrong. john: is the american dream still alive? it is hard to be optimistic walking around this conference because so many people here are promoting buying gold and savings like sleep that night knowing your assets are safe. they have a point because politicians keep promising people free stuff and so much more than taxpayers could never find that these paper dollars your someday may be worth pennies the fed was created the dollar lost 96% of its value proposal i've bought gold and silver. i know they will hold their

john: i know. mark: embracing this and trying to use this is the only thing he can do in his comeback. there is no reason to talk about jeb bush unless in the context of, can he come back? he way he behaved this week, is performing well enough to come back now, without a doubt. john: there were various moments in the last couple days were people have noted in the press that it has been like a therapy session. the way he's talking about his father, like from the couch, does that work? mark: it's not flawless, but it could be worse. john: fair enough. when we come back, we ask former bush adviser mark mckinnon for his thoughts on the bush 41 biography we just talked about, after these words. ♪ john: we are back, talking more about the book about the bushes and the presidential campaign with mark mckinnon, strategist to george w. bush and many others, including some democrats once upon a time. there is no way to look at this except them in some way being put on the couch. what do you think this impa

john: i'm john heilemann. with all respect to ben carson who is having trouble remembering the west point conversation. come on, dude. it is not brain surgery. happy military academy appreciation day. in our big camp regimen tonight, keystone exercises. rubio reflexes and debate state gymnastics. forget the pyramid, forget the belt buckle stabbing thing. is in troubleson in an area you should not mess with any republican primary. the military. ben carson has said he was offered a full right to west point after meeting general westmoreland. today, politico reported west point has no record carson applied or was extended a formal offer. the carson campaign says he was told at the time he would be accepted to the school if he applied, but he chose to go elsewhere. that would be yale. ben carson has previously said he only applied to yale. he said this today on sean hannity's radio program when asked to explain this version of events. >> at one of these dinners, at some point, you met general westmoreland. >> righ

john? john dickerson: thanks so much, major garrett. thanks all of you for joining us for this democratic president debate, hosted by drake university in des moines, iowa. cbs news will bring you a debate on the republican candidates on february 13, from greenville, south carolina. i will have much more about the presidential race and the paris attacks tomorrow on face the nation. our guests include senator sanders. and you can see more on post-debate coverage on our 24-hour digital news network, cbsn which is available on all devices at cbsnews.com. from my cbs news colleagues, major garrett and nancy cordes, kevin cooney of kcci, and kathie obradovich of the des moines register, and with a thanks to all the folks here at drake for their hospitality. i'm john dickerson. good night. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] ♪ >> the british parliament was in recess much of t

john is poisoned at the end. john is the great forgotten here. a really peculiar standing on its head in english history. if you look at shakespeare king john it is a great deal better. it's not a patch on the history place of the 15th century. and john gets poisoned. pathetic. so the 16th century is really the forgotten time for magna carta in the 15th century doesn't play particularly prominent role in politics. >> so the u.s. and the uk have a close intertwined history. the magna carta comes down over the centuries. you come to us. we have developed the constitution to do you think it is time for the uk to codify? >> for the uk to codify? well, there is some talk in the uk at the moment of a british bill of rights, which has been

john: were they ashameed? >> they don't have a response, they don't have a justification, and frankly, i love all sorts of art. i think there should be this ridiculous crap, i think there should be little orphan annie plays. i think there should be nudity but paid for by the people who consume it. nigh my 90-year-old grandmother goes to sleep in tennessee, doesn't want to pay for this stuff. if i want to pay for it, then great. you have a bureaucrat deciding what is good art, have you censorship concerns and wasted tax dollars, let us support the art we want to support. john: sum it up for us, why do you do what you do? how is government waste a threat to our liberty? >> i think it's very clear when you take your time to make your money, and that money is taken for something that's not appropriate, that isn't a role of government, that you can't spend your money on. it hurts your ability to enjoy the sort of life that you want, you don't have the time with your family that you want, you don't get to make decis

john: laser pegs were invented by john. you can call it success by failure. >> ferguson when i grew up there ferguson missouri,. john: you dropped out of your school when you were a sophomore. >> it was a rough school with a lot of fights. john: you might have gone on welfare. >> i might have. >> i might have been said that i started by reading a lot of self-help books and finding out who i was and i had a knack for inventing better reflected that act over and over again. i invented a lot of things that weren't subtle. john: you invented a headache relief and what sounds like quackery so glad i wasn't successful. cell phone. cell phone ads that block callers. >> too many cell phones applications across to many platforms of that failed as well. john: a battery-operated shoelace, shoelaces. >> the reason they failed is the chinese knocked us off to. john: they sold well but you got ripped off by imitations. >> you can find the magnitude of them and you them and you see them and retail chains as well. john: you started submitt

john quigley: yes, i'm agent john quigley. lee harvey oswald: this is supposed to be a free country. i was arrested for exercising my right to free speech and i've been here all night long. john quigley: i understand that you and the other three men were charged with disturbing the peace. lee harvey oswald: i did not disturb the peace. i was attacked for my beliefs. john quigley: you're pro-cuba? pro-castro? lee harvey oswald: i belong to fair play for cuba, yes. john quigley: and who is aj hidell? lee harvey oswald: hidell, he issued that membership card to me. mr. hidell is the president of the committee. marina: hidell is name you make up. you tell fbi hidell rhyme with fidel? tell fbi you want name our baby fidel? all you do. all day, pass out cuba paper. ha! still no job. only cuba, cuba, cuba, you know? cuba not care about you. lee harvey oswald: marina! marina: what kind of man are you? look at you. great man, genius and no one knows it. how am i supposed to live like this? lee harvey oswald: you're going back to texas.

john: dr. ben carson has been taking his lungs on the show, so let's bring in a man who can offer a rebuttal. barry bennett joins us from florida. very good to have you. you have had a long weekend and into the early part of this week answering questions from the media. of,nt to get your sense with dr. carson's credibility under assault, do you think his credibility has been in any way damaged over the last five days? barry: i don't. we have been successful pushing back on all of the ridiculous charges that have been made, the west point story that has been rebuffed and partly retracted. rebuffed aing was few minutes ago. what was the other one? the violence thing, we found an 1997le from his mother in who told the story. plus, there's a colleague at johns hopkins who told the story, as well. the truth takes a little while sometimes to come out, but we rebuffed those charges. john: americans who had a week ago had no questions about who dr. carson was, today, you think they still have no questi

john: thank you, panel. thank you, audience. [ applause ] >> coming up, my fight with donald trump. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? you can't breathed. through your nose. suddenly, you're a mouthbreather. a mouthbreather! how can anyone sleep like that? well, just put on a breathe right strip and pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right . john: less than a year from now, we elect a new president. who will i vote for? i'm one of the single issue voters. one thing matters most to me, which candidate is least likely to threaten our liberty? in

john: thank you, panel. thank you, audience. [ applause ] >> coming up, my fight with donald trump. . john: less than a year from now, we elect a new president. who will i vote for? i'm one of the single issue voters. one thing matters most to me, which candidate is least likely to threaten our liberty? in other words, who is less likely to micromanage my life. spend us broke. less likely to involve us in foreign wars that will reduce our safety? of all the candidates the one most likely to protect the dignity of the individual is, well, i'm not sure. i know it's not her. she wants to micromanage america and police the rest of the world. it's not him. he would allow us some freedoms but spend and regulate us into poverty. this group offered better choices but some of them want to police the world and police our bedrooms. i think the one candidate most likely to leave us free is this man. but he's a long shot. he hasn't been getting much support. so when this businessman entered the race, i thought maybe he's

john: and i am john heilemann. with all due respect to donald trump as we head into this holiday, we were hoping for a quiet monday. ♪ john: mark: happy national cashew day, sports fans. on the show tonight, donald trump's flaps and bernie sanders slaps. but first, ben carson's gaffe. he is no longer sharing front runner status with the donald, who is way out ahead by a whopping margin, double digits all over the place. according to the numbers from fox news, carson is down five points, and marco rubio and ted cruz closing fast, and carson's slump was even more significant than some polls. survey, carson has fallen all the way to third, with 19%. while ted cruz has cruised past him, up to 21%, and the cbs/yougov numbers has him in -- carson tied with senator cruz with 10%, and rubio with 13%. carson also saw his support fall. in south carolina. so, mark, which one of these strikes you as the most significant? mark: well, there are a lot of people in the establishment and media who just want to say that carson is

john: back to the board. for 500.yuge news john: donald trump's poll numbers will go in this direction after allegedly mocking the disability of a reporter. dan: it won't change. i don't think he will take a hit for this fight with the new york times. donald trump has a combination of celebrity and a willingness to say things about immigrants and about the media but no one else will say, and it touches the nerve for conservatives and i think they like that his voices out there, even though they may not ultimately vote for him. they like that he is saying these things. i don't think his numbers will change. mark: quick, take a taken for g ranite. for granite for $1000. mark: this candidate is poised to win the new hampshire primary. dan: trump, christie, or rubio. dude.pick one, dan: rubio. mark: carly fiorina. what happened to her? dan: it's great to have these moments and debates. she capitalized on being trump's foil. she does not have much of an organization. we do not hear much from her. after the debates

john: yeah! your company charging a thousand or $8,000 make everyone more hypersensitive and more likely to sue! >> it depends how it's done. when you come in, first of all, some companies have to do it. in california there's a law that managers have to go through a certain amount of this training regardless every couple of years. you don't do it, you're in trouble. secondarily, companies that engage diversity and inclusion in a meaningful way, they build it into strategy rather than doing training, and they focus on building a strong culture. they do perform better. john: harvard business review article says a study of 800 companies showed diversity training had no positive effect in the average workplace. >> i'm familiar with that study. training by itself as an event doesn't produce a lot of results. millions were spent on training resulting in, well, nothing. >> i agree. >> if you put people through diversity training, and a company doesn't care about diversity, it doesn't matter. it's about

john: and i'm john heilemann. "with all due respect" to lindsey graham, whose polling numbers are -- well, let's just say there is nowhere to go but up. was i supposed to say something? ♪ john: stick around for more of that later in the show. but first we have a new bloomberg politics national poll, with findings about how americans feel about the only thing that's been in news from past six days, and that is isis and what to do about it. you will notice there is often the traditional split between democrats and republicans, as they often are divided on a lot of things. but also surprising areas of agreement. let's start with the biggest question, whether the u.s. stood -- u.s. should send troops to fight isis? the country is split down the middle, 44% to say yes, 45% say no. taking a look at the partisan breakdown. the polarization is so much the driving teacher. democrats overwhelmingly say no, republicans overwhelmingly say yes. mark, what is this to the likelihood of the u.s. muster the ability to do this? m

john: in america. are there adaptive programs, perhaps it will make it easier to build their confidence up, help them through with the problems they are doing online? if it is clear they are finding it easy to do, maybe getting bored we push them onto something more challenging. if we see they are trying to master a concept, we will say, do you want help here and now? it could be someone in india, they pop up in chat or on skype. it is much more personable and adaptable, and driven by the needs of the students. it is more engaging. you are using the technology, you're making better use of data analytics. you are understanding specific movements and that student's understanding. it is obviously much more scalable and affordable as well. what we do in that example, we can help the 22-year-old graduate in china who has a great grammar and vocabulary in english, but lacks the fluency to get the job with a global corporation. in another way we can help the parents in a poor country in africa, who knows, tha

john mccain apply? i think he did. john: did you do this out of financial desperation? a campaign so low on funds that it must turn to government? martin o'malley: i have never been a big money candidate. what we are going to do and what we always intended to do is make our case to the people in iran new hampshire. history has shown that the results are often very different on caucus night than they are the november before. we have a great staff on the ground. we have 37 young organizers. we announced a number of new endorsements including tom henderson, the chair of the polk county democrats in des moines. we have a lot of traction on the ground. this funding will guarantee that we can make our case to people in iowa and then it becomes a different dynamic. very clearly in the race no , other challenger has had this opportunity. i'm one of only three candidates. hillary clinton, one of the more polarizing figures from the recent past, someone who is very much involved in the mess that is our internatio

john dickerson: good evening. i'm john dickerson of cbs news in des moines, iowa. the debate you've tuned in to see tonight is a symbol of the freedom we all cherish. last night, the world watched in horror as freedom was savagely attacked in the heart of paris. at least 129 people were killed and many more wounded in a coordinated series of terror attacks. tonight, as france mourns, so does america. so before we begin tonight's second debate with these candidates for the democratic presidential nomination, we ask you to join us in observing a moment of silence. [moment of silence] john dickerson: now please welcome to drake university former secretary of state hillary clinton. [applause] john dickerson: senator bernie sanders of vermont. [applause] john dickerson: and martin o'malley, the former governor of maryland. [applause] john dickerson: joining me in the questioning tonight are cbs news congressional correspondent nancy cordes, anchor kevin cooney of our cbs des moines affiliate kcci, and political columnist kathie obradovich of the "des moines register." [

john: i am john heilemann. for all the turkeys not lucky enough to be pardoned by president obama, it's all gravy from here, guys. ♪ mark: happy day before thanksgiving, sports fans. a thanksgiving meal, a debate reel, william mckinley's appeal, and thanksgiving zeal. we will dig into what the president said this morning when he delivered a statement on national security and reassured americans that he is taking all measures to keep americans safe over the hol -- holidays. president obama: right now, we know of no credible or specific intelligence of a plot on the homeland. let me remind you what our coalition is doing to destroy these terrorists and defeat their ideology. so far our military and our partners have conducted more than 8,000 air strikes on isil strongholds and equipment. those strikes, along with our partners on the ground, have taken out key leaders, taken back territory in both iraq and syria. john: how did he do? mark: he did well. i thought it was important to reassure american families tha

>> i am john heilemann. i am mark halperin. "with all due respect" to twitter, we heart you. ♪ on our off-off election-year show tonight, obama lashes out. but first, synchronize watches now. about a year from this first tuesday of november, we'll be picking our next resident. will it be hillary, donald trump, or maybe marco rubio? speaking of which, anything that goes up must come under the microscope. as he is criticized for his senate attendance record, today, marco rubio delayed and scaled back a fund-raising trip to manhattan so he could cast a procedural vote in washington on an agriculture bill related to water quality. that is a move that could play well in the farmlands of iowa but also means fewer dollars for a candidate who did not post a very impressive cash call last quarter. everyone is focused on how he is doing in state and national polls. a little better, to be sure, but what other factors will determine if rubio will continue his right to rise? john: the money thing is obviously huge. how many people will fo

late show john dickerson expert, john dickerson. john, your co-host is twitter. what does that mean two the debate on saturday night? >> we will ask people to questions and send them in and maybe we will ask those questions to the candidates and we will watch what people are saying while the actual debate is going on. >> how many of the millions of twitter questions will you be able to use during the two-hour debate? >> it depends. if they are really good, we will use them and if they are not so good, we will use them afterwards. >> as kindling? >> yeah, to sharper our debate on the post-debate analysis. >> you can see john face the candidates tomorrow night at 9:00/8:00 central on cbs. that is the "cbs morning news" for this friday. thanks for watching. i'm anne-marie green. have a great day. >>> good morning, authorities charge four chester county middle school student in the sexting cyber bullying scandal. how the victim is helping others in these type of cases. >>> new information this morning, us drone strike may have killed a

john: technology? >> commission and then take on the taxis and require $100,000 to drive a taxi or the self-employed people to be the taxicab commissions. people decide i will be a small business personal but myself with airbnb. as the post office shrinks as people use e-mail and on-line sales have broken down with competition and. john: thank you. we're all better off with americans for tax reform. maybe we should be optimistic because throughout history people have repeatedly been proven wrong. congratulations. you're down with crestor. >>yes! when diet and exercise aren't enough, adding crestor lowers bad cholesterol up to 55%. crestor is not for people with liver disease, or women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant. tell your doctor all medicines you take. call your doctor if you have muscle pain or weakness, feel unusually tired, have loss of appetite, upper belly pain, dark urine, or yellowing of skin or eyes. these could be signs of serious side effects. i'm down with crestor! mak

late show john dickerson. john, your co-host is twitter. what does that mean two the >> we will ask people to questions and send them in and maybe we will ask those questions to the candidates and we will watch what people are saying while the actual debate is going on. >> how many of the millions of twitter questions will you be able to use during the two-hour debate? >> it depends. if they are really good, we will good, we will use them afterwards. >> as kindling? >> yeah, to sharper our debate on the post-debate analysis. >> you can see john face the candidates tomorrow night at 9:00/8:00 central on cbs. that is the "cbs morning news" for this friday. have a great day. every sip. the taste uniquely dunkin'. each cup uniquely you. brewed fresh because it's not just any coffee. it's your coffee, your dunkin'.

john: im going to ask you to weigh in on a fundamental dispute. john ellis bush bush, dead? or is there still a comeback in that man? al: boy, i tell you, if he is not dead, he is close to it. i just can't see the pathway. there are a lot of things i have been wrong on, but i don't see him energizing anybody anymore. mark: of bush, ted cruz, john kasich, marco rubio, who do you think will finish first in iowa? al: rubio. mark: i think whoever finishes tops in the establishment lane in iowa will be the nominee. al: especially if somebody like rubio or one of the others finishes at the top of the pack in iowa and does well in new hampshire in the next couple of days. mark: second, third, or fourth even in iowa, but the top establishment finisher and then first or second in new hampshire, i think rubio could do that. al: they have to get to florida first. if one of them doesn't do well in one of those early states, they are not going to get to florida. john: you have to spend so much wisdom, we will be cleaning up the floor for days. al: have me back on to put a jihad on the me

john: no. freedom of speech is guaranteed by the constitution, the first amendment. clarence: but that's not an issue. eleanor: should that guarantee yelling fire in a crowded theater? john: no. i'm not saying that is the -- eleanor: those are the arguments they're having on campus today. pat: john, if you were shouted down in a speech, who's going to guarantee your right, first amendment rights, who are you going to go to? clarence: it's a question of right versus -- college administrators, freedom of speech. pat: it's been shouted down. freedom of speech is not universal. pat: you move off of campus and move to another campus. john: move to another campus, that's the way you handle it? pat: in a campaign, look at -- one got shouted down for one month to where he couldn't speak by these little fascists. clarence: a photographer's right to take pictures. so we're talking about it. we're not talking about a big constitutional argument. the fact is you work these kind of things out. reporter, and

charlie: jihadi john. david: yes. it comes a day after a key road is taken by the kurdish troops with western support. all these developments are happening. it is not lost on isis that raqqa could be taken at any moment if people were only willing to flatten it. and god knows, we are not wanting to do that. charlie: because of collateral damage. david: right. the fact that much more of these operations are going abroad, it is not necessarily a sign of strength come up it is terrifying. and the fact that all these people are willing to die is part of the terror. and it makes it so much harder to stop. charlie: seven of the eight were killed, most of them by their own hand. david: and as i came here to meet with you, there were reports there is possibly a ninth at large. we don't know yet. charlie: so what is society to do? which is where the debate is right now. david: of course. taking out outlandish suggestions that we stop all integration of syrians. charlie: or that we close down the mosques. david: just awful. thi

kennedy or john lennon, you're not going to call. if you're john doe, no one is going tor woken up. >> a decade ago, he added a chilling detail about given the news to yoko ono. >> >> she was on the other pounding her head on a concrete floor. >> barbara cammerer was in the room. >> steven lynn was not in the room to even observe if shebanged her head on the floor or not, and yoko ono did absolutely not bang her head, she did not wail. she acted completely appropriate to the situation. she had just seen her husband shot and now yoko was told that john lennon was dead. i was very angry when i heard steve say that. every time i heard steve interviewed, it was more and more and more embellished. >> do you think yoko ono was smeared in these interviews? >> i do, yes. i think she was smeared. >> he also said in the interviews. he gave women -- >> that none of you runs out of the room with the sheets that have john lennon's blood on them or dirty parts of your clothing our your tie that has a spot of john lennon's blood. we have to protect

john: and i am john heilemann. we were hoping for a quiet monday. ♪ mark: happy national cashew day, sports fan. donald trump and bernie sanders, but first, ben carson's gaffe. he is no longer sharing front runner status with the donald, who is way out in head by a whopping margin, double digits all over the place. according to the numbers from fox news, carson is down five points, and marco rubio and ted cruz closing fast, and carson's drop was even more dramatic in some polls. in one, he has fallen all of the way to third, while ted cruz has cruised past him, up to 21%, and himcbs/yougov numbers has place.th carson also saw his support fall. which one of these strikes you as the most significant? well, there are a lot of people in the establishment and media who just want to say that carson is done. he could have a second half, but the big news is trump. trump is so far ahead that some of the people are saying, he is not coming back down to earth. we will have to beat him when one of us can get him one on one.

drones targeting and possibly killing jihadi john. he's the masked manual remember who appeared in those brutal isis beheading videos. the pentagon has not yet confirmed his death, but a senior u.s. official says they knew it was him when they took the shot over syria. >> his real name is mohammed emwazi. it's his voice in the monstrous behealedings of james sotloff, james foley as well as others. this is secretary of state john kerry moments ago. >> we are still assessing the results of this trike. but the terrorist associated with daeish, your days are numbered and you will be geeted. >> let's go to barbara starr for the latest. how did they find him and how do they know he's dead? >> reporter: we now know they had been tracking -- the u.s. intelligence, the u.s. military had been tracking mohammed emwazi for several days. he had been in some location outside of raqqa, syria. began to move into raqqa. that's had they picked up his trail. and they have been trailing him very closely since wednesday. it was yesterday when that drone m