turkey said russia violated its air space. russia is denying it. this was an su-24 plane that was shot down. russia saying it was traveling at 6,000 meters, roughly 20,000 feet, when it was shot down. both pilots, according to russian military were able to eject. we are hearing reports that one of those pilots could have been captured by rebel fighters on the ground. this is an area north of latakia in the western part of syria near the area called turkman. this is an area where you have the turkman people which have ancestral ties with turkey. turkey had protection of this area. has warned russia in the past of engaging them. this is a source of tension between the two. it looks like today, that the turks shot down a russian airplane. >> what sort of response do we get from russia? >> reporter: well, russia, you know, we haven't heard much now from russia in terms of response other than confirming this information. you know, this is going to create really and raise tensions between the two countries. turkey as we have heard from from ivan, they ar

world happens without russia these days. it's up to vladimir putin, you said. article 5 of nato says, quote, an attack on one country is an attack on all. does anybody talk about going to war over this, or is this a let's step back and have everybody calm down? >> again, the focus is on the diplomatic push in vienna. they decide who sits at the table. there are different backers in this. the united states, russia and who believe that there are particular opposition groups they're attacks should have a prominent place for a ceasefire. many groups are actually gaining ground against the assad regime if not against isil itself. it's a shape of of the table negotiation at this point. in the meantime, president obama says there's making progress on the ground against isil. you hed how they're trying to attack sources of revenue and the oil convoys and tankers and trucks that are a large source of revenue for isil. there's absolutely no question that even though there is tough talk now, even though there's an escalation in the air

russia accuses kyiv of denying trying to rebuild them. they are cutting off energy to crimea in response. >> many in crimea remain without power, temperatures are dropping, forcing local authorities to hand out hot water and food. but they warn the situation will only get worse until the power is restored. crimea depended on these power pylons for electricity, that life i was cut after unknown assailants destroyed them on saturday. russia accuses cuba of not working quickly enough to restore power to the crimean peninsula, in return, they have threatened to cut off supplies of natural gas, which ukraine depends on. it is the latest in a conflict that is playing out on the economic battlefield. with just a month left before kyiv has a trade agreement with the eu take effect, russia is pressuring ukraine over their support of western sanctions. and kyiv has fired economic shot of its own. >> i want to state clearly, that russian threats against ukraine will receive a response by ukrainian authorities. there will be a unanimous ukrainian dec

russia says one of them was killed before he hit the ground and according to russia's ambassador to france, the other was picked up by the syrian army. the russian rescue mission to find the remaining pilot only added to the death toll when a rescue helicopter was damaged by gunfire, killing a soldier onboard. russia's president vladimir putin calls the incident a stab in the back from turkey and warned there would be serious consequences with relations between the two countries. consequences that were already evident on wednesday when foreign minister sergey lavrov grabbed a planned chris.turkey and warned russian tourists against going there on holiday. russia also announced it will be sending a guided missile cruiser to the waters around latakia around the turkish border and all russian bombers will now be escorted by fighter planes. turkey's nato allies including the u.s. have defended its right to protect its borders. but all have called for diplomacy and deescalation. >> russia is not part of the current u.s. led coalition against the islamic state group and despite calls from the fr

why don't you come to russia"? so 1927 my grandfather goes to russia. he ends up meeting-- a russian girl who becomes my grandmother. my father is born there. and then five years later, in 1932, the communist party sends him back to america to become the general secretary of the america communist party. he runs for president in 1936 and '40 against roosevelt. he's imprisoned by roosevelt in '41, pardoned the next year. and then ultimately kicked out of the communist party in 1945 for being too capitalist. and one would've thought that would be the end of the story. but then in the 1950s he was persecuted for being a communist. they did-- they didn't deter-- they didn't distinguish between good communists and-- >> right. >> bad communists. >> what was your upbringing like? you have-- a highly educated family. everybody in your family-- has really excelled in their fields. >> well, so-- so-- so we-- yeah. i mean, if you come from a family of communists-- it just perm-- permeates everything. at the dinner table, you know, the discussion was how all busines

russia's entry into the conflict. russia said it is very much on russia's terms. it has its own objectives and it will follow them. there is scope for further cooperation. it will become more difficult once objectives start to be achieved as to the future of syria. russia expressed desire to be at the forefront of the decision making process. >> president obama said there is no way he will consider working with russia unless russia commits to targeting isis positions in syria. that is something hollande will try to get through. that will be very difficult, more difficult following this incident involving the russia airplane. president putin will have greater result to carry out. his own strategy in syria. >> absolutely. i think that will include hitting the syrian turkman villages. russia said it will continue to conduct air strikes near the turkish borroweborrowe border. russia stepped up after the france attacks. the objective of russia is not just to hit isis, but bolster the syrian government by hitting other rebel groups as well. there is not much room from l

russia denies that took place. turkey has refused to apologize, russia has laid on economic sanctions. al jazeera america claimed responsibility for the paris attacks. france is fighting back hard. >> we would like to see russia concentrating its efforts to fight our common enemy isil. >> an unconventional war with an unusual enemy. nato says russia is targeting syrian rebels other than isil. in an effort to prop up syrian president bashar al-assad. some of those rebels are receiving military support from the u.s. and its allies. >> i would like to see russia playing a constructive role in syria, and fighting isil. >> last week, turkey used american-made f-16 fighter jets to shoot down a russian war plain that turkey says it briefly violated its air space. >> the protection of our air space, land border is not only a right, but a duty for my government. and no turkish prime minister or president or authority will apologize because of committing -- because of protecting our border. >> reporter: shortly after the jet

and everybody understands now in russia and outside of russia, elections in russia are not going to change anything. propaganda -- it is a democratic institution. book, you write that his russia is the biggest and most dangerous threat facing the world today. guest: absolutely. host: so mitt romney got it right in 2012? right but it is something you have to understand -- you should look at the true nature of his regime. obama hasy president attacked this conflict and romney defended. putin controls, that is a very important fact. and of course he is a militant throw tot russia can the global stage and putin is a dictator in the final stage of his role, which means that he needs conflict. he is quite good at creating conflict. requires energy. the economy doesn't offer an excuse. no one expects the russian economy to get better or worse, that is why putin has present andpublic with this concept this is his great, invincible and a manof russia who can defy the free world. host: we are going to put the numbers up on the screen. his book is about the soviet union and vladimir putin. up onl put

this this is exactly what we see now in russia. so too formulated in short i would say that all of this move made in 2014 did make the regime, the regime the cross stitch of the leader and the the leader of the decisions he made. how russia looks now and how it will grow in 2025 and will describe some different opportunities and now it looks like most of them are cut off and there is only one line. so the leader being extremely powerful cannot change this trajectory so what he can do is to regulate speech. make the movement faster or's lower, this trajectory would appear to the trajectory of lean in tailspin. there is no way to go out. there are are three possible outcomes. number one the plane meets the ground. regime is over unfortunately there are no hopes that the new one will be better due to almost absence of political institutions. the second option is the team that grew is able to replace the leader which is hardly possible now not only due to the fact that there are no that existed during the soviet union when people could

now turning to russia russia is not in a terribly strong position. they cannot waste resources on peripheral matters. the you crane is a vital national interest. if it fails to protect russian-speaking persons, putin is gone. if the u.k. and is successful, it becomes a marital demanding them to change and follow that model. given the very close history between the ukraine and russia. syrian contrast is not at the center of russian's universe. there are substantial cost to what they are doing. syria and ashad are very close to the center of iran's national security. they dream of a shiite control from eastern iran and ashad has been their longest ally. one would raise the question, not why is a rant doing what they're doing, but why is russia. then we look at the timing. russia deployed forces at substantial long-term risk and forced to russia. it became certain to those who were observing, especially here in congress, that iran would get its hands on the hundred and 30 billion. first they sign the agreement. then you had to look around here and make

was there tension between russia and turkey over russia's operations in northern syria? >> adrien, there were instances in the past where russia fighter jets strayed into turkey. one of their tribes, turkish fighter jet was involved in a very serious situation but then last week, the turks said they were very concerned about the escalation of tensions in latakia on the border with turkey. they summoned the russian ambassador and explained concerns about fighter jets on the border with turkey. the turkish prime minister warned against serious situation if the russian fighter jets continued pounding those areas. this is another instance of strained ties between two countries as both of them seem to be claiming control in what is happening in syria. the turks have been concerned saying russian, not fighting isil, but to undermine some of the syrian opposition groups backed by the americans and their military intervention is for one reason, to help assad gain territory lost in the past few years. >> many thanks. the reuters news agency reporting right now that turkey's presi

but what is russia's agenda? is to to keep assad -- which is clearly their agenda now -- in power or to align forces with the coalition after that russian airliner was downed? >> reporter: well, if you look at this incident that happened today, it reveals all of the different layers of complexity and all of the different competing agendas in one particular tragic and very explosive incident. the russians were flying a combat mission in syria. they may have, if you believe the turks, gone into turkish airspace. actually the u.s. military has confirmed that that russian plane did violate turkish airspace and was warned. but the bombing mission that russia was on, the combat counterterrorism mission that vladimir putin described was being carried out in an area where there is not a large isis presence. instead, the people operating in that area, syrian rebels, some are pro-american. they are ethnic turks which is one reason turkey has been so aggressively watching that border area. turkey has a motivation here to at

russia has stepped up airstrikes in syria. the kremlin said that it's aim is to take on isil, which that is extended it's influence in eastern and northern syria. turkey and the u.s. accuse russia of targeting syrian opposition and helping president assad to regain areas. turkey shares a long border with syria, and said that assad has no role to play in the future. the growing divide between turkey and russia undermines the international push to find a way out of syria's ongoing syri sir civil war. >> rory challands has been following the reaction and has this from moscow. >> it was the angry language of portrayal, vladimir putin confirmed turkey had shot done a russian plane. he described it as a stab in the back. we've always regarded turkey not only as a close neighbor but also as a friendly state. i don'state. turkey addressed the nato partners as it was it was us who downed the plane, not vice versa. >> a rocket tipped the plane over the syrian territory. the plane fell in territory four kilometers away from the border. a

russia does depend on turkey for $27 billion for that gas. russia has used gas against in the past. anchor: we turn to some other news and in the wake of last week's terror attacks, germany's parliament has voted to deploy more soldiers to mali, up to 650. berlin says the troops will help keep with the peacekeeping mission and ease the pressure on french forces fighting islamic groups. chancellor merkel said the troops were needed to beat back militants who only last week attacked a hotel in bamako. the opposition was critical of the deployment and would like germany to stick to diplomacy rather than military intervention. so what exactly was the german troops be doing and mali? our west african correspondents have been finding out. reporter: identifying suspects at roadblocks, a critical task that these soldiers from mali are learning at the eu training center. >> the training is clearly structured. first there is a theory part, that participants and trainers plan the exercise right here and afterwards the soldiers are taking over there to participate in the role-play with the scen

turkey is highly dependent on russia for natural gas. russia wra has the upper hand regardless. all the bellicose talk we've heard between russia and turkey, et cetera, bottom line turkey doesn't have much when it comes to trying to deal with russia, except, to listen, this was our airspace. don't continue to do this. don't continue to threaten us this way. that's about what they can do at this point. sdroo there are obvious conflictions between what happened with russia and turkey this morning. bob, you were mentioning it just a few moments ago. later this week we will see the french president meet with the leaders of germany, italy, canada, china, heads of the european union, and the secretary general of the u.n. how do you see the process of bolstering support for a coalition where various nations feel differently about how strongly and how unified that coalition should actually be? >> clearly within europe, president hollande has to insure that he has good cooperation among all the allies there. the vulnerability that the europeans have to isis attacks and jihadist attacks o

. >> rose: and two voices from russia. we begin with gary kasparov, his book is called winter is coming, why vladimir putin and the enemies of the free world must be stopped. >> the way russia has been treated is like a crazy uncle at thanksgiving din are. don't mention democracy, don't mention human rights, don't talk about things that could upset him. but unfortunately, you know, it created a sense of impunity. and looking back, you know, at the '90s, you know, we could actually see some turning points where many problems that we have been dealing with today could be solved quite easily. >> rose: and andrey kostin he run thes the second largest bank in russian within it was not going to do the ang sangszs and we're not go asking to remove them. we expect that because sanctions, we could disagree with the sanctions, of course. we think it's a wrong use of international economic financial architect eurl infrastructure. but we think, we think that sanctions didn't never reach the goals. >> rose: bremmer, kasparov and kostin

and russia are conducting separate bombing campaigns in syria. jordan is already a member of the u.s.-led coalition, but fishs here-- officials say working here with the russians doesn't represent a shift in jordanian relationships. >> russia is taking a major military role in syria, so it is important and vital for us that we have a coordination mechanism between us and the russians because the safety of our borders and the southern part of syria is of special importance to jordan. >> reporter: in order to secure its front ear with syria, jordan has been supporting and training syrian rebels behind this border. jordan doesn't want russian air strikes to target these rebels, but these fighters say they don't trust russia even though it has offered to support opposition forces fighting i.s.i.l. >> we describe it as invasion. there are parts from the problem and natural far from the solution for us. how can you trust enemy hitting you and offering you the help. >> reporter: the understanding is believed to be of great political importance. russia a

russia is their second largest trade partner. turkey is 60% of the natural gas from russia. any measures puts a squeeze on turkey. i was on the street yesterday talking to people. they said this is what worries them most. especially with it being winter. they don't want to see their gas reduced or cut off. russia is advising their people not to come to turkey as tourists. russia sending a couple million tourists to turkey every year. this is hitting turkey in the pocketbook as well. >> russia playing a dangerous game. ian lee, thank you. >>> the angry words are russia and turkey come as vladimir putin and president francois hollande meet this morning. hollande will try to persuade putin to go all-in on the fight against isis. the downing of the russian jet complicates that effort. french lawmakers voted 325-0 to continue air strikes against isis. max foster is in paris. let's turn to him now. max, we know president hollande will try to persuade putin to back down on the fight against bashar al assad. will he really back away? >> reporter: not today, no. that will be a tough

coalition of 65 nations fighting isis. >> russia right now is a coalition of two-- iran and russia-- supporting assad. given russia's military capabilities and given the influeuee they have on the assad regime, them cooperating would be enormously helpful and allow us all to refocus our attention on isil. >> reporter: from washington, president hollande will head for russia where he plans to ask president putin to shift his focus to fighting isis, but, scott, it's a request that's been made many times before wiwiout success. >> pelley: chip reid at the white house. thanks. with unique insight into all of this, we turn to ambassador nick burns, a career american diplomat, former national security council director for russian affairs, and former u.s. representative for nato. he now teaches diplomacy at harvard. mr. ambassador, what are the stakes i i what w wve seen today? well, it's been a consequential day, scott. we haven't had a nato member shoot down a soviet or russian aircraft since 1952, and so the stakes are very high, that the russians learn the lessons of what happened but a

russia right now is a coalition of two. iran and russia. supporting assad. given russia's military capabilities and given the influence they have on the assad regime regime, them koorpcooperating would be enormously helpful in bringing about the resolution of the war in syria and allow us all to refocus our attention on isil. i think it's important to remember that you've got a global coalition organized. russia is the outlier. we hope that they refocus their attention on what is the most substantial threat. and that they serve as a constructive partner. and if and when they do, it will make it easier for us to go after isil and daesh. though i think it is important to recognize that -- the kinds of air strikes that they're carrying out, like the ones we're carrying out, in and of themselves are not sufficient. the work we do to bolster local fighting forces, the cutting off of supply lines, financing, oil, reducing the flow of foreign fighters. the intelligence work that needs to be done, all that is something that we're doing now and that they can suppleme

-russia air strikes -- >> we're going to wait and see whether in fact russia does end up devoting more attention to targets that are i.s.i.l. targets. and if it does so then it's something we welcome. >> reporter: the pentagon just as quickly slammed it shut. >> the u.s. military of course has the greatest aviators on earth so they're capable of flying with anybody. that said, we have no plans to conduct coordinated operations with the russians. >> the pentagon is still assessinassessing what russia he i.s.i.l. stronghold of raqqa, right now there's no evidence that russia hit anything that was on the u.s. target list. john. >> jamie mcintire, jamie, thank you. >>> coming up the mastermind, the man suspected of plotting the attack on paris. bomb claim. >> it happened to be so precisely placed or luckily placed. >> did the explosive planted 92 soda can bring down the russian jet? >>> and living in america but not really welcome. we talked to a refugee in syria who calls the u.s. home. . home. >> i.s.i.l. is backing up its claim that it brought down a russian plane in egypt last month ki

while the turkish president called on russia to open a dialogue, russia is now responding with sanctions against turkey. reporting new economic measures, including restricting travel. and hiring of turkish workers for some companies. earlier, i spoke with general wesly clark, the former nato supreme allied commander and now a senior fellow at ucla's berkeley center for international relations. and i began by asking him, how this could impact relations between russia and turkey. >> i don't think it's going to result in a large escalation of the conflict at this stage. but i think it indicates that russia and turkey have opposing objectives, opposing policies, outcomes they're seeking in this conflict. and russia has weighed in by striking these villages and civilians in the north part of syria or southern part of turkey depending on how you draw that border. and threatening the turkish grip on the northern part of syria. and turkey has responded by shooting down a russian aircraft. now, russia's put in stronger antiaircraft system there. and in northern syria. so it's a standoff militaril

and russia closer? course of the markets, when you look at the major indexes across the board for the three major indices, i was looking at the dow jones industrial average -- less than 91 points, that is the smallest move this month that compares to the three-month average. had a big rally, tuesday was quiet, yesterday was a big rally, today was quiet. confusing was what is , december is a go, that certain aspect classes that something different. short-termove the lines. the dollar was up. 30 year treasuries, looking at the longest rally since august. is this all just a lower for longer, even if we hike -- it will be a slower case than the market was anticipating, that is why we are seeing this. joe: you have heard the return of the dovish hike term today. we could get a hike, but there would be a signal of slow paces after. i want to dive into my terminal to talk about a major thing that happened in the market today. it is a big political and economic applications -- united health said it is consideri

or between russia and turkey. but again, i think we have a very professional military in turkey, same with the united states force that's are there, and frankly russia increasingly professional as well. they know what they are dog, and they know what they have to do if they want to avoid coming into contact like that. so i think this is likely not to escalate. but as you say it's dangerous just because the fact they with forces in the same space involved in operations. >> kurt volcker, former u.s. ambassador to nato, sir. thank you. >> thank you. >> don't forget we've been reporting from the beginning and what the white house has been refusing to admit, and that is that we have a proxy war here, you know. the russians are fighting for assad. we are fighting against assad. that's a proxy war. they don't want to call it that for obvious reasons, but that's what it is. and mistakes are problematic. double mits tamistakes can be b problems. the french president at the white house today. he and president obama say assa

turkey has been saying that also that russia is not after isil, russia is intervening in syria to support bashar al assad and to take on the moderate syrian opposition, so you have two conflicting perspectives here. if any in curses continue, this will follow and this is what happened today. this is something that could be further replicated in the near future if fighting continues and airstrikes continue on those areas. >> not long ago, russian vladimir putin said this. >> al jazeera has more from moscow. >>> i can't remember a time when president putin has spoken as forcefully as he was. he was talking with the jordanian king, who is visiting putin in sochi. of course they are here to talk about syria. when the trip was planned, there was no indication that there would be discussion about like the downing of this plane. i basically implied that turkey is an associate of terrorism and this associate has stabbed russia in the back. he confirmed properly for the first time from the russian perspective at least today that this was an attack on a russian plane by turkish war planes. eggs tha

between russia and turkey? thank you. mr. stoltenberg: i think i have expressed clearly that we are calling for calm. this is a serious situation. this is a situation in which prudentat we all are and we all contribute to the theescalating situation and that is why i welcome further contact. ,e would welcome more contact partly to resolve these incidents. developmentk on the and the strengthening of mechanisms to avoid these kinds of situations in the future. actually, we are now discussing how we can develop better and improve measures for transparency, for predictability and for risk reduction. we have to avoid this. we have to avoid the situation, incidents, accidents spiraling out of control. therefore, this is a serious uh, newn, but it means, security environments we are facing a long nato borders just underlines the importance of focusing more on predicted lity and transparency in different measures to reduce risk. what. secretary-general, does this say about the ability for allies to work together with russia in syria

russia is in the red, okay, so, here is what russia says its radar shows. and you can see that the red line dips just below that white lip of the turkey border, whereas the yellow line is turkey's account and you can see that the yellow line skirts right over the bottom tip of turkey's border. so, general, who are we to believe? >> well, we don't know yet, alison, until all the evidence is in. i would tend to believe the turkish account, of course, i'm a little bit biassed in that regard because i've seen some of the other things russia has done. every time there's an incident like this, there is a manipulation of the facts by the russian government. they immediately get open the air and talk about what they did and did not do and early on in this account, syria claimed, first of all, that the russian aircraft went in their airspace on multiple passes and they have it on radar tracks and probably it's on an awacs track as well from the coalition. the russians immediately come back and say, no, no, no, we remained in syria, but the facts of the matter is thi

issue, not just a turkey russia issue. it could increase tensions, tensions between nato and russia very high. you saw the president and the nato secretary-general called for calm and restraint and russia and turkey to talk about the situation and prevent something like this happening again. dagen: in the news conference with president francois hollande but said this. >> next week i will be joining francois hollande and world leaders in paris for the global climate conference. what a powerful rebuke to the terrorists it will be when the world stands as one and shows we will not be deterred from building a better future for our children. dagen: of the president sticks to his agenda, he will not waver even in the face of a horrific terrorist attack. >> you make a good point. on the face of it it looks terrible considering what we are facing, a worldwide terror threat that came from the state department, continuing violence going on in the middle east, the terrible effects in paris, down of the russian airliner. the fact is t

russia annexed in march last year. >> a mud flow hit the atlanta ocean. the sludge has been flowing downstream. the disaster killed 11 people, 12 are missing. >> gerald tan reports. >> reporter: the river turned a murky orange for as far as the eye can see. the change in colour caused by mining waste unleashed after two dams collapse said. in two weeks the struj travelled -- sludge travelled 500km into the atlanta. >> translation: all we expect now is the death of the river. all the logistics will not solve our problems. we need a solution. >> the mine is owned by an australian and brazilian joint venture, greeg to pay a quarter of a million. they insist the mud is not toxic. those along the river feel the facts. >> i'm catching one or two fish a day. recently i was catching seven. >> i can't save anything now, i can't throw the water on the cocoa plants, it will die. we don't know what is in the water. there's nothing we can do. >> biologies are working to constain the damage. it will not be easy. enough to fill 25,000 swimming pools of sludge was releas

it's not great for the strategic russia. russia was previously involved under the soviet union in afghanistan. ended in them withdrawing in complete and utter disarray. i think that's why russia hasn't committed much in the waive ground troops this time. some artillery troops, but mostly air strikes and artillery. i think you're right it's the afghanistan effect. >> your point, let's take your point about a diplomatic solution. what do you think about the meeting in vienna nan nah and does it make sense not to have the belligerent parties attend a meeting where you're talking about syria's future? >> it's strange optics. holding it at the hotel imperial too didn't help either. the largest problem is between these third party countries. between iran and saudi arabia, between russia and the u.s. those groups can't even agree on who within syria is a reputable pattern that they can talk to. other parties, like qatar, getting together ail the outside parties to decide who they think should be included in future peace talks might

he insists russia needs to be a part of this, there is another way. the russian president has long said and repeated today that he is more than willing to be part of a grand coalition that will attack islamic state and terror groups on the ground in syria. french officials have suggested they are going to need compromises from russia in return for this cooperation. the first thing they want is they want russia to put pressure on bashar al-assad to stop striking civilians. second, they want russia to only hit islamic state groups and other hard-core groups. we have seen the bombing campaign russia has been waging in syria, most of the strikes have targeted what the u.s. and europe call the moderate opposition, and only recently islamic state. last of all, the crucial question after this military, if we talk about a post-conflict syria, what will happen to bashar al-assad? francois hollande saying a transition. -- transition period was something they were willing to they do not want bashar al-assad as the head of state for a post war syria. what reactio

iran and russia supporting assad. >> reporter: obama is calling on russia not to escalate with turkey despite putin's threats. >> putin will respond. there is no doubt in my mind. i think it is highly unlikely that he would attack turkey and nato ally, but i think you could see a response inside of syria. >> reporter: france is ramping up air-strikes against isis from a carrier in the mediterranean. >> make no mistake, we will win and groups like isil will lose. >> reporter: but after all of the intelligence failures in france and belgium, obama demanded better intelligence cooperation with france an the rest of europe, especially the names of passengers flying to the u.s. in order to identify foreign fighters trying to attack the u.s. homeland. lester. >> thanks. >>> chilling new details about the terror attacks in paris and the next plot, the ringleader of that cell, intended to carry out days later. before authorities closed in, stopping it just in time. nbc's gabe guiterrez has the latest from paris. >> reporter: lester, good evening. authorities said today his plan wasn't over. a

you know, in a country like russia, where there's only one prime decision-maker, if russia chooses to make this a priority over the welfare of its own people it could sustain it for some time. >> what is the u.s.'s outlay of expense on a day? do we know that? >> mr. webber, the last time i asked, it was about $8 million a day. >> so four times our, if you use the two, two to four times the amount russia's using, but we're getting one eighth the amount of airstrikes? >> that would include iraq, the entire air campaign, but, again, we're not the russians, and we have different standards. >> and then you said earlier, it might have been ambassador nuland that the gulf countries were not taking any refugees but they'd been very generous with their money. was that you? >> that's right. i have the list of -- >> i'm fascinated by my colleagues, mo brooks idea of arming those in the ukraine to maybe divert some of russia's attention to maybe help deechd ukraine and increase russia's cost and deflect them some from syria. if the gulf countries are, as one of you said, i think you said it was y

russia right now is a coalition of two, iran and russia supporting assad. russia is the outlyer. >> reporter: with the latest on russia's reactions, cnn's mathew chance joins us live now from moscow. what do you think, will it destroy any chance of united front against russia, meaning russia is joining in on this battl battle? >> it's a difficult question to answer. despite the fact there is a lot of anger on russia's side at this point one of its pilots, another marine, killed on the ground as well during the rescue missi mission, still the underlying interest, if not turkey, but another nato countries. to say how it will advance, i expect some concern that turkey acted so quickly the shoot down that russian plane. the turks, themselves say the russian aircraft was only in turkish airspace 17 seconds. it took the decision for f-16s to intercept it and shoot it down. that seems to me to be an extraordinarily short time to take action. the turks say they have their rules of engagement and that's that. but it's provoked from the russians which are going to ma

russia denies that and a furious president has described the downing as a stab in the pack. he said it would have serious consequences for relations with turkey. a helicopter that was scouring the site was attacked. which complicates things who has been meeting barac meeting. in this report now from rob matheson. >> a russian jet fighter plunges to the ground. turkey's government says aircraft shot it down. close to the syrian border. >> this is a stab in the pack, the pilot did not threaten anyone, and the plane was shot down in syrian air space. working with us for turkey, this tragic event would have serious consequences for relations. >> both pilots ejected and parachuted to the drowned. russian military helicopters are reported to be searching for them near the border. the syrian opposition says it has the body of one of the pilots and that the second one is also dead. the fact that turkey is feeling bold enough to take this action, i think speaks actions about the new political confidence in this context. >> the jet is a 24, the russian built all weather attack aircraf

russia and russia's tourism to turkey is huge. i think it's the biggest population of -- of tourists in turkey are russians. though russia and -- its relationship with turkey and egypt now severely hamper two of its favorite tourist designations. >> it's not as if relations between russia and turkey had been completely rosy of late is it? >> no, there has been souring, but vladimir putin and president erdogan are two leaders that have a fairly good rapport with each other. this started to go wrong pretty much as soon as russia started bombing syria. and that's because some of the targets that russia was going after were groups supported by anchorer, namely turkman groups in the north of syria. things then got worse just over a month ago in the beginning of october when russian planes started to go into turkish air space. the turks said we do not like this. the russians said we're sorry it was a mistake. it only happened once. it only happened for a few seconds and it won't happen again. but turkey pushed the matter to nato, and na

not in turkey, these protesters are calling russia's military murderers. putin is depicted as a vampire. president erdogan has accused the russian president of playing with fire by bombing syria's opposition and propping up the syrian government. >> translator: the day this incident happened i requested a meeting from him. i wanted to hold a tariff conversation with him. but he's not returned my calls yet. there is a climate change conference in paris, i believe he will be there we can meet there and discuss these matters with him. >> reporter: for the moment, the kremlin isn't answering. it's ramping up economic pressure on turkey. while formalized sanctions are being drawn up, russian inspectors are finding hygiene and sanitary reasons for rejecting turk i can produce. visa-free travel with turkey will be suspended january 1st. and russia's bombing continues, these are some of the latest deadly strikes in idlib province, a down near the border with turkey. rory challands, al jazeera, moscow. >> a russia is used of using airstrikes against isil as cover t

even though everyone had a cynical view of how russia, what russia's aims in this work. melissa: i think that it is still an open question in terms of whether u.s. and rsian interest are exactly aligned. i think that there may be some useful overlap in terms of russia i now engaged in the fight and they are realizing how difficult it is. and so, i thk they are looking for a way out. but that is going to involve also a diplomatic push probably. some greater coordination of military forces. but i think that russia has a more clear sense of what they want in syria. they may be willing for assad to go, but they'veave got their base for the mediterranean. they want to preserve. d i think the u.s. objective is still unclear. vago: stay tuned for more with our roundtable. you're watching "defense newews" . vago: we are back with our roundtable. counterterrorism and homeland security rick nelson. melissa dalton of the center for certificate international studies, and the atlantic council. i want to start withth you. there are many o of those who sy that isis exist because e of a

, are the target of russia to begin with. so these are -- these sorts of issues that are on the table and these challenges that these two leaders face as well as later in the week when president hollande goes to meet with russian president vladimir putin. >> mike viqueira i'll let you take your seat. the president expected to come out and address reporters any moment now. with us in the studio is mike lions and professor edward barenson. and mike i'll begin with you. it is a thicky wicket. because now you have an emergency meeting of nato. what will nato do? >> first of all nato has got to tell turkey that we have got to take some time to think through what we're going to do as -- as an ally answer here, because the last thing we want is to have any kind of conflict on that border between russia and turkey there. so let's hope cooler heads will prevail and that the russians also won't respond with a military response against anti-aircraft-type batteries that exist on that border. >> but jamie mcintyre saying that this entire

we are not hearing that russia is necessarily part of the coalition just yet. is it realistic that they may find some common ground in all of this? emma: i think the common ground, the ground has narrowed between russia and france since both of them were victims of terror attacks over the last month. it doesn't sound like russia is going to be part of this grand coalition, at least not yet. there are issues, of course, still remaining about the future of president bashar al-assad in syria, for example. this is probably the fundamental issue. francois hollande came out tonight and he said that the syrian president could play no part in the future of syria. president vladimir putin came out and said that it was up to the syrian people to decide what happened in their country, but no political process could be imposed from the outside. the also said that in order to combat is state, he would have to work with president assad's forces on the ground. there does not seem to be much movement on this point yet. sarah: emma burroughs in moscow with this update. thank yo

russia right now is a coalition of two. iran and russia supporting assad. given russia's military capabilities and given the influence they have on the assad regime, them cooperating would be enormously helpful in bringing about a resolution of the civil war in syria and allow us all to refocus our attention on isil. but i think it's important to global coalition organized. russia is the outlier. we hope that they refocus their attention on what is the most substantial threat and that they serve as a constructive partner. and if and when they do, it will make it easier for us to go after isil and da'esh. although i think it's also important to recognize that the kinds of air strikes that they are carrying out, just like the kinds we are carrying out in and of themselves are not sufficient. and the work that we do to bolster local fighting forces, the cutting off of supply lines, financing, oil, reducing the flow of foreign fighters, the intelligence work that needs to

the competition for europe is up until now they have been prioritizing russia's preferences in russia. if indeed turkey and russia will compete over outcomes in syria, that will really come locate the conversation -- consultative conversation. "he has a while to run. -- the diplomacy has a wealth around. -- while to run. the question will not be resolved soon. john, what have you heard? : i think it is influenced by underlying economic dynamics. if there was an excel a ration in the oil prices, i think it starts to pick up and russia benefits. with their tactics change, or is this purely about geopolitical regional views? mujtaba rahman: i think it is more about geopolitics in the region. when you look at ukraine, vladimir putin's behavior there was not influenced by economic constraints. i think vladimir putin is think about syria in a similar way. i think the broader regional powers are as well. i don't think this is necessarily a function of economics. at the margin, it will play a role. it would constrain vladimir -- in someavior at way. guy: because of the oil price? : they havem

diffusing tension between the west and russia. the diplomat i can manoeuvring underway after turkey shoots down a russian fighter jet and the impact it could have on the war against isil. taking to the streets, the outrage in chicago tonight after dashcam video shows a police officer shooting a black teenager 16 times an the murder charge that officer now phase joining forces to defeat isil. the plan the u.s. and france have with the challenge ahead and to get russia's cooperation. a white chicago police officer is under arrest charged with first degree murder in the fatal shooting of a black teenager. tonight, chicago police released dashcam video that shows the october, 2014 shooting of 17-year-old laquan mcdonald. prosecutors say jason van dyke shot mcdonald 16 times with the intent to kill. van dyke is being held without bail. the new video has sparked protests tonight in chicago. a group of demonstrators have been walking through the streets of the city for hours now. diane estherbrook has been follow that crowd. more from he

russia was there. russia has been violating turkish airspace. was there a discussion understanding that russia will cease and desist? >> the day of the russian incursion into turkish airspace the secretary and foreign minister immediately issued a strong statementa strong statement of support. >> and did you get an assurance from the russians that they would cease and desist? >> my understanding is the turks have sought and got an understanding. >> but not us? >> we made clear that it is unacceptable to be incurring nato airspace. >> and did you do that indiana? >> again, they have make fair to us that they do not intend to do it again, but obviously we must watch what they do rather than say. >> do we have any understanding in terms of rules of engagement in terms of the military activities in syria? this hearing is about russia's escalation in syria. >> congressman, in terms of direct negotiations, as you know, the department of defense conducted a very limited air deacon flexion exercise with the russians. we have an agreement on safe flight,