charlie: has the u.s. or any other country done a lot because they learn the lessons that happens a few years ago? >> more people are talking about it, but that asteroid we did not know was coming until it was too late. you might have three minutes of evacuation time. that was not large enough to catch it far enough away. plus, it is not large enough to render anybody extinct. charlie: if it is far enough away, we shoot it down or something? >> no, that is the macho -- the chimeric, gentler way is to deflected. charlie: how do you deflect it? >> there are some interesting plants that are out there all on paper, nothing has been built or funded. one way to do it is you take your spaceship, thai baht your outliner? that is your asteroid. it were your station nearby and just target there. they will feel one another and want to drift toward one another because of their mutual gravity, but you do not let that happen. you fire a little retro rocket to prevent that in the act of doing so slowly text the asteroid

charlie: for you? , weather in social atmospheres or a journalistic atmosphere, i very much still -- i think that everything i do comes from the same place, whether it is writing or acting. i am much better at letting the story be told to me then prodding or interrogating. anduch of the prodding interrogating that i see the professional journalist do -- you are unique. i cannot explain why. you are asking me to explain him. i do not know why i think charlie rose is unique. you are very prodding, you are very informed. overall, i feel with american journalism -- we know that there are stellar , but i feel that that if you wait long enough, if you listen to people they will tell you who they are. i was much more interested in watching him and listening to him than saying, what is the solution to the drug crisis? as i said, i did have and i told it to him. charlie: does he have a solution to the drug crisis? >> that's what i'm saying. hypothetically getting into certain kinds of questions, and he says so

charlie: it is. but after you see one, you want to see another, because until the very end, there are questions. moira: we are not giving you the answer. we are asking questions. the goal is to start a dialogue. charlie: 10 episodes of "making a murderer" are available on netflix. ♪ he appeared on this program numerous times. here is a look at those conversations. alan rickman: there is a huge fear factor you have to deal with in theater. at least on film, if you screw up, you get another take. and it doesn't go away, the fear. charlie: i read that you sent that, that somehow still, with all that you have done, the fear factor is still there. doesn't go away during the run? alan: if you can get it to push down to the right place. i guess it's connected to adrenaline and focus, energy and all those things. but it's a useless thing. it's not really very positive. it's just like a little grim that sits on your shoulder and tries to make you fail. charlie: [laughter] alan: and often succeeds. charlie:

charlie: you are ahead. [laughter] charlie: and you have commented. so, what is it about the game that makes it so interesting for you? itcause you are wrapping u around the idea that it is great to teach strategy. mr. rumsfeld: well, it is so complicated, and as opposed to regular solitaire with two dekes , and instead of seven piles, you have 10, and you have six cards at the bottom, and you have to get those cards on the aces up above. you can't pull them down. to do this effectively, you have to be thinking 3, 4, 5 plays ahead, and you have to anticipate and think about whether it is better to turn over one of the cards and no what that is going to be, or to take a card from up above. it's a delightful game. it is challenging, vastly more complex than normal solitaire. charlie: is it more complex than bridge? mr. rumsfeld: i am not a skillful bridge player. charlie: but you have played. and you know a lot of smart people think it is an intelligent game. up rumsfeld: i would rank it there with bridge. and the other thing you can do, , card games di

charlie: five hooks? steve: that is my formula. charlie: tell us about a hook. steve: it's been on three seconds, and you go hey. then something else happens and all of a sudden you understand what is going on. now you have 2, 3 going on. somebody singing something you want to sing along with. something happens. the next thing you know, it's different and fun. most of my songs are kind of like songs you would put in the car and drive. from texas to illinois and listen to the music. ♪ charlie: the joker took in a while to get it. steve: yeah. it was the first time i was on a.m. radio. that was always the goal very to get on a.m. radio which was tough. it was like a mafia controlled thing. i didn't like that part of it. i didn't like the payola part and the disc jockeys that wanted to to do free things. there were problems with the way the business work. when i got the joker, i didn't have those problems anymore. later, i learned a lesson from the independent promoters who came back in the business later. i put out an album and had some guys say listen, for $60,

charlie: freedom? >> of course freedom and democracy but today, china is enjoying more democracy more freedom than ever before. it needs to be measured. charlie: how far to come? tung: not only how far to come but needing a stable environment for the companies to develop rapidly. charlie: your president and others in china for goalie make the point that no democracies are created overnight. you need to see clear progress. >> i think the most important thing is that democracy means a lot of things to different people. but the most important things are the people being governed. are they happy? over 80%r poll shows of the chinese people -- charlie: because they are more prosperous? tung: they are more prosperous and have more hope for the future. that in theis true west we cannot assume that our definition of democracy is the definition that should be adhered to by different cultures around the world. tung: because we have different culture and different history. many things are similar. the accountabili

bill: good to be here, charlie. charlie: is it as simple as i just suggested? the best defense against the m.v.p.? >> it comes down to that. it is ironic, we sat there with the commissioner and watched the super bowl a few years ago. we watched the denver broncos. at the time, they were the number one offense in the national football league. so here they are, two years later, a total transformation of their football team and coming back and now coming into a super bowl with the number one defense. i give a lot of credit to john elway -- is that he made from then until now. charlie: he understood that he needed a great defense. his whole world was offense. bill: he went temperatures late in his career. he did with a running game and he did it with defense. when you look in the last two years, and this offense of state of mind that we have in the national football league, think about the teams that are in the super bowl this time. seattle seahawks, daily defense last two years. this year, even carolina, they now lead the league in takeaways on the defensive side

charlie: i do too. ian bremmer: the white house, i have heard them say there is absolutely no way putin would cut a deal with japan. putin is the only guy who can cut a deal with japan. if you wanted to sell an island for money, putin could do that. as isolatedn't be then. the japanese would cut that deal. i think there are things to watch in asia that are promising. another good piece of news is i don't think -- as much as we will complain about the american elections for the next 10 months -- i don't think you matters. -- i don't think it matters. charlie: i cannot believe you are saying that. trumpemmer: i don't think is getting elected. but from the way the world works -- charlie: let's assume -- take trump away from the package for a second, and it is cruz versus clinton. in terms of the stewardship of foreign policy. are you saying to me that it does not matter a bit, regardless of what side you are on? on the one hand, one person has said he wanted to carpet bomb syria. ian bremmer: there is no q

charlie: why? >> because i could offer something and people understood what i wanted to bring to that city. music can bring different things. can be exciting, can be thrilling, can be refreshing. i wanted to be touching. i wanted to give people a feeling in the concert hall, a kind of being at home. being at home with themselves, with their ideas, with their soul. then they discover that their lives also make sense. while they are listening to music. and i believe this kind of message just came over. charlie: so when you come, when i come, when someone comes to hear the new york philharmonic, you want them to walk out of that concert hall having the music connected to who they are and what they are about and give additional meaning to their lives? >> at least what i believe music brings to you is always to make you aware who you are. to make you aware that life and death is connected to each other. and i feel that music can help you. like the brahms requiem to learn that death is necessary. because

charlie: yes. sir tom: i always loved that song and i heard mahalia jackson sing it and then i thought why don't we do it like them? but then again, she must have rubbed off on me, because in the lord's prayer one day, and the teacher said to me, why are you singing this like a negro spiritual? i said i do not know what that is. i am just singing it like i feel it. but i must have heard it. jerry lee lewis says i was born with what i got. sir tom: were you influenced by presley then? sir tom: definitely. when rock 'n roll came, elvis was doing what i was doing basically. you know, he was just like reassuring may. charlie: where did "delilah" come from? sir tom: "delilah" came from a man named les reed. i had been friendly with him. he did the arrangement on the green green grass of home. he took it from the country. bom bom bom town ♪ d home so les has been a friend of mine for a long time. i was looking for a new song he came up with "delilah." charlie: roll tape. here it is. >> ♪ my my my, de

>> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. charlie: rem koolhaas is here. he is one of the most influential architects who works today. he is an author, theorist, and a professor at harvard. some of his most notable projects include the cctv headquarters in beijing, and casa da musica in portugal. the two major buildings have been opened in the last year are the garage museum of contemporary art in moscow and the prada in milan. i am pleased to have him back at this table. we missed out two years ago when you were in venice. it continues to be a great life for you. rem: it is an amazing life because it enables me to be at places where things are radically changing. there is a need to articulate a particular ambition. there is a need to intervene in a situation. it is really a great opportunity. charlie: what you do, you have to define the time we are in. rem: my role is a reporter who is simply alert and describing changes. as you describe the change, you find the opportunities where to intervene. a sense of forming -- a moment in time when things are chang

>> this is charlie rose. charlie rose: the revenant is a explores a brutal existence of first trappers with working on the missouri river. leonardo dicaprio plays the legendary frontiersman who suffered a bear attack and was left for dead i his companions and he crawled 200 miles to safety. >> the proper thing to do it be to finish him off quick. i understand. >> what happened? we did what we had to do. >> he was buried. >> all i had was that more -- boy. you took them from me, do you understand? he is afraid. he knows how far i came to find him. >> i ain't afraid to die anymore. i have done it already. charlie: joining me now is the director. he won three academy awards in quite 15 for this film, "bird man." and the star, leonardo dicaprio. the writer describes his -- a writer describes his performance is a ferocious commitment. i am pleased to have them both here at this time. welcome. i love this quote, mrs. you in the hollow it -- hollywood review. with leo, i said, i would love to see you fragile, vulner

charlie: right. >> so my biggest question is how can we come together on this? you know, because i see a lot of talk and response to this series. people taking sides, debating guilt and innocence. when, you know, that's actually not what this series is about. it's about failures within our system and why those are happening and how could we do better? and there is so much that we could unite about. or unite over about this. as laura mentioned, a wrongful conviction is a wrongful acquittal. i mean, you don't have to care about the person going to prison wrongly. you should care about, you know, the ill doer on your street. charlie: exactly. what happens now? do most people watch it all the way through? is it like they cannot resist once they start it? >> i've been hearing a lot of that. people in one day or over the course of two days. which, you know, frankly surprises me a little. we're asking a lot of our viewers t is a very dense series. charlie: it is but it drags you right in. after you see one

for the first time. >> thank you, charlie. charlie: how did the start for both of you? >> back in november of 2005 the graduate film students at columbia diversity of the arts. steven avery appeared on the front page of the new york times and the headline read, save by dna, now charged a new crime. steven as this potentially unique window into the system, as somebody who had been failed by the system in 1985. he now found himself back in a 20 years later. charlie: when you look at it and looked at his conviction for the second time, -- >> he had really just been charged. h. the murder of teresa halbac as laura said, this idea that this man who had been failed so terribly by the system, and really felt for 18 years, there had been opportunities for the system to correct itself, and it had in. now, he was stepping back in, 20 years later. in that 20 years, there had been advances in dna, there had been legislative reforms. a lot of talk that wrongful convictions do not happen anymore. this was a thing of the past. we do not have dna back then. it was an opportunity to sor

charlie weis liberalize means? -- charlie: liberalize means? henry: interest rates, currency, and flows in and out of the country. the currency can move and flows can come in and out, they are struggling right now with doing that in a smooth fashion. what happens is, you're getting these moments where you are saying, we will liberalize, but then you intervene. the stock market intervention we saw over the last few months is a perfect example -- to your point earlier, it creates -- it hurts the confidence of the domestics. gillian: japan in the 1980's, was in the same position. the problem is coming to take an economy like japan in the postwar, or china, you build it up where you have intense control, all of the money in the economy directed towards industry, and bureaucrats control that and run it him effectively. the problem today, like japan and the 1980's, is that when an economy outgrows that kind of model, moving to a brave new world market-driven finance is hard. him they should have started him this several years ago and had a gradual tr

charlie: how old were you? sir tom: 24. charlie: you are 75? yeah.m: charlie: great to see you. sir tom: i watch you, and my wife. big fence. ♪ charlie: steve martin and 80 burquelle are here. steve martin called it an accident. a follow-up to their grammy award-winning debut album. here is the trailer for "so familiar." got my four wheels on the pavement if you look you will find me gone got the title to the metal -- pedal to the metal my radio on got you in the rearview mirror that dark roadn the road you are on i have been there i will goe there anywhere but i won't go back ♪ charlie: i am pleased to have steve martin and edie at this table. congratulations. you said this was a giant accident. what did you mean? steve: i meant that it was not by design. it was kind of a coincidence, and we have had such great fortune come from it. not talking financially, but artistically. it was just a couple bits of serendipity that edie ran into me at a party, and said i would like to write a song with you. i had never written a song with anyone, nodding going, yeah, sure. said i have

charlie: it does. because in the early days of satellite television, everybody -- the incumbents said, "well, why would satellite tv -- why would anybody pay for a satellite dish?" all right? the answer was pretty simple -- it was better picture quality. it was all digital. it was interactive guide. it was less expensive. the bundles were smaller so you had a little bit more choices as a consumer. the signal quality was more reliable. it was a better picture. hd tv was more prevelent with satellite. and so now people are asking the question, why would you pay for ott? and there are similarities. ott eliminates some of the pain points. we have 10 million to 15 million broadband homes in the united states who don't pay for tv. all right? as we know it. they may pay for netflix or hulu, but they do not pay for tv as we know it. so we take away some of those pain points with sling tv. so you do not have a contract, you don't have equipment to buy, normally. you can go on vacation and take your service off

charlie: but it is true. samuel: very much so. charlie: what is it? samuel: i think we have a similar respect and love for the cinema. cinema played a big part of our young lives. our childhood lives. i spent a lot of time in the movies. watching television, entertainment with only children. i don't know he read as much as i did. i read a lot. charlie: he was watching videos. samuel: yeah. i had a great desire to get out of the place i was in into a place i thought was better in the world. places that were different, that i wanted to see and explore. charlie: a place for you to stand to find your dream. samuel: of course. there was nothing in chattanooga that was going to allow me to samuel: i wanted to go to the world. when i graduated high school i applied to a lot of colleges but i also filled out a form on a merchant ship because i wanted to see the world. my mom found it. she found the letter that came back saying they needed more information before they could give me the job. we'll kind of a job is this? a ship going around the world. charlie: i

lauren: charlie. charlie: yes? lauren: how have to write you another book. charlie: do you know? -- lauren: i will have to write you another book. charlie: do you know? lauren: no. charlie: does he know? your husband? do you sit around and talk about the themes of this book with him? lauren: we certainly did. we don't talk about themes. i hinted in this book with a lot of fear because there was a mirror of me and both characters and a mirror of him in both characters. that was a really tricky situation. charlie: what is the mirror of you in lotto? lauren: the creative narcissism, the ability to step away from family at 5:00 in the morning until 2:00. this introspection and deep shame. charlie: deep shame? lauren: yeah? i am from a pennsylvania dutch family. we have a lot of shame. it's the way it is to keep us doing the right thing. yeah. did anything surprise you about the response to this book? lauren: i haven't paid much attention to the response of the book, to be honest. i'm delighted, right, when things do get to me. my publicists don't send me anything. i try really hard t

charlie: russia. has flattened or putin been successful in playing -- has vladimir putin been successful in playing a we can't -- a weak hand? mike: i think that's a great question. let me back up for one second, and then i will answer. let's back up to, what does he want? he wants to things really. he wants russia to be seen as a great power again, and he wants it to be seen as an equal of the united states. that's his strong desire. he wants to reestablish the russian empire, which basically means he wants say in all of the in that territory. what kind of guy is this? he is a thug. he's a bully. he only understands relative power. he doesn't think there can be a winner in negotiations. he's going to face short-term costs for his long-term objectives. then you say, he has obviously done that in ukraine, and now he's done it in syria. doing inok, how is he terms of getting to his objectives? realistically, charlie, he's the loser in all of this in the end. charlie: because he does not have a dynamic e

♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we begin with politics. nine presidential candidates have six days to go until the iowa caucuses. a new fox news survey shows hillary clinton ahead of bernie sanders by six points among iowa democrats. donald trump maintains a commanding lead over ted cruz and the rest of the gop field. joining me is glenn thrush, chief political correspondent for politico. i am pleased to have him back. welcome. glenn: great to be here. charlie: let's talk about the republicans in iowa. what does it look like at this moment? glenn: this looks like a two-man race, donald trump, who is really within the margin of error with ted cruz. trump really seems to be working for it this time. my former colleague, maggie, who you know well, at the new york times, wrote a story a couple of days ago talking about how trump is starting to sleep in motels and go to churches. cruz obviously has a bit of an inherent advantage with evangelicals, who make up a large percentage of the base their, but trump scored a major endorsement today with

charlie: last word. that saudi nightmare is europe and the united states decided they could do better business with iran. obviously they don't want to see iran get a nuclear weapon. but their real concern was that this was more than we said it was. this was the first step toward the long and beautiful relationship and the risk now is that that could become a self-fulfilling prophesy. if they start doing things that alienate public opinion and the u.s. -- then you do get people starting to question that alliance with saudi arabia. i think they do have to be careful about bringing about -- i don't think it's the case about coordinating iran and there are other sorts of reasons why for the foreseeable future we're going to continue to have a hugely troubled relationship with iran. charlie: can i just ask one last question. wendy: sure. charlie: are you satisfied with how the nuclear deal has taken place over the last month? have the iranians lived up to what we experted of them? wednesdayy: it appears -- we

charlie: charlie rose would have liked to interview him. mr. penn: i think it's citizens, complimented each other instead of polarizing, and journalists commented each other -- complemented -- i think if citizens complemented each other instead of polarizing, and journalists commented each other we might get something. charlie: you think we demonize el chapo too much? mr. penn: we have, as citizens to a drug lord, or a foreign head of state as an enemy, we are married to them. they are of our time. they are affecting us. like a marriage, you might want divorce, but you have to look at this person as a person. if all we aim to understand is that this is a very bad person, then let's not understand anything else. see what it gets us. charlie: tell me what else you understand? mr. penn: i understand what i have been talking about throughout the interview. the focus on him. let's go to the big picture of what we all want. we all want this drug problem to stop. we all want the killings in chicago to stop. we are the consumer. whether you agree with

charlie: there is also this. it is said that the united states urged them not to do it, and they went ahead and did it, and by that, they were sending a message to the united states. the saudi's are not happy about the relationship -- you know a lot about this. mike: i think they were sending three messages. the first message was to the iranians. we are not going to let you meddle in our internal affairs without there being a cost. number two was a message to their own people and to their shia population about what you cannot get away with. three, it was a message to the united states absolutely. charlie: what was the message to the united states? mike: the gulf arab states, saudi arabia in particular, deeply frustrated with the united states over a number of issues. charlie: think what those issues were. one, the redline in syria. two, the nuclear deal. three, mubarak. mike: those are the issues. let's take each of them in turn. mubarak, it's really hard to see how u.s. policy could have been any different from

♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose". charlie: we began with politics. now for the latest on the 2016 presidential race sarah palin is , back and campaigning for donald trump. one of the developments that has come out in the run-up to the iowa caucuses. they are managing editors of bloomberg politics and the cohosts of "with all due respect." they are at laconia, new hampshire at a cafÉ. we are pleased to have them joining us. what is the name of the cafÉ? >> the water street cafÉ. it is lovely. charlie: i wish i was there. tell me where hillary clinton stands today in new hampshire and what she can do to change that dynamic? >> she is well behind. there is a pull out this week that shows her 30 behind. nobody thinks that's where she is. iowa has gotten worse for her and she has to do three things at once. she has to stop sanders' momentum. she needs to have a closing argument that has a positive and negative message. her husband was here, best i have seen in a long time. it wasn't vintage clinton 1992, but it was very strong. she is in trouble in the

charlie: what did he do? missions behind the lines in vietnam to try to rescue pow's, calling in airstrikes on trunks. after he retired, he became a the deltadvisor to force. his first mission was the attempt to rescue the hostages -- he was sent in ahead of the mission as undercover. who would doy reconnaissance at the embassy. these delta guys aren't going to go unless one of their own sets eyes on the target. he was doing the reconnaissance of the embassy. he had to rent the trucks that would go out to the desert and pick them up after they landed from being flown in and drive them into the embassy. he was out there in the desert when the crash that ended that mission happened. out.hen, so they pulled he had to make his own way out with everybody in iran screaming death to americans. charlie: did you know him? david: i traveled around the country with him for about a week after the failed rescue mission. we were going around, and he was introducing me to people he had met during his career. he took me to t

charlie: [laughter] n: and often succeeds. charlie: really? lan: i am seriously trying to find some hypnosis to get over it because it's very useless. charlie: hypnosis to get over fear of being on stage coming from one of our best actors. alan: well, i'm not alone. charlie: we are talking more about -- about more than just forgetting your lines. it's a lot about that. but then it becomes a self generating problem. unless you can get your concentration to the right place, a little gremlin comes out while you are speaking and says, you know this line, but there is a line coming up in four lines that you don't know. your brain is going backward and forward. some very good teachers and they make you aware of the cliff face you are standing on. you've made this choice. you've got to do it. now, take the risks. antonyrook wester acting and cleopatra. he came back after it was on to see us during the run -- directing antony and cleopatra. he came back after it was on to see us during the run. we set this is working, this is not working. he said it a

charlie: what do you think? is there something in that building other than the fact that is so different, would define it? rem: it was a huge challenge. therefore, i tried to accept every part of the challenge. therefore, it is the kind of building that has not only one dimension, it is also an organization, a feat of identityng, also and -- and identity that is not stable, also looks completely different from every side. , and perhapsentity people would recognize that complex city as a characteristic -- complexity as a characteristic. charlie: how did you win that commission? rem: it was very interesting. un by apetition was r very young chinese lady who studied international law in oxford, 35 years old. invite five foreigners and five chinese people. we wanted to be a completely honest process. there was aher, real intelligence there. there was a jury. the jury selected us. the issue became how to convince the government and the different parties in government that this was the right step. this was also orches

we want to welcome back charlie cook. tonight's debate is the final debate before democrats vote in iowa and new hampshire. howou look at this race does this stack up? charlie cook: they say gosh isn't this exciting. not really. if you believe that the biblical process is important and you believe that the presidency is , some of thething aspects of this campaign are not pleasant. you are seeing some folks running who are necessarily qualified for the job. odyis something of a par of the presidential race. but you have to deal with what you got. advisors to hillary clinton believes that her campaign made some serious miscalculations when it was challenged by bernie sanders. tonight in south carolina along with martin o'malley. cook: perhaps the clinton folks didn't take sanders as seriously as they should have. it would be a horrible mistake for him to them to go after him very hard right now. youthfulng to need his supporters in a general election. going to-old is not naturally get the enthusiasm that barack obama got in

now 50, charlie is looking fit, running in his neighborhood with >> charlie is looki answers in his own life, making peace with what he's going that's a difficult voyage. how scared are you? >> this disease chose the wrong person. >> he was helping sheen spotted him outside the actor's new york hotel with charlie's manager right after this announcement to matt lauer. >> i'm here to admit that i am h.i.v.-positive. >> though not treating charlie, he is helping him emotionally. and their new interview airs next week. >> there is something that he needed to keep focusing on, the alcohol being a good example. but the treatment for hiv is so effective now. you can have a normal life expectancy. >> charlie reportedly kicked the booze and taken up yoga and appears to be committed to living healthier. >> he made mistakes. he has unique ability to bounce back in just about anything. >> it's going to be the most difficult thing that i investor tried to tackle. >> great to see the new charlie sheen. we're all rooting or him and hopefully he can keep it up. this sunday, we'll be swimming with all t

charlie sheen nominated four times but never won. of course, charlie made n back in november when he announced he's h.i.v.-positive. dr. oz was in the background counseling charlie before that big moment. and now as charlie is ready to move forward as one of the most famous faces of hiv in the entire world, dr. oz remains by his side. >> tell me about a dream you had once when you were 28 >> in the dream i saw myself across the room. i had a around my neck. and it said aids. >> a scary premonition 22 years ago. now 50, char sli looking fit, running in his neighborhood with the man who has become his mentor. >> charlie is looking for that's a difficult voyage. how scared are you? chose the wrong person. >> he was helping sheen when we spotted him outside theactor's new york hotel with charlie's manager right after this lauer. h.i.v.-positive. >> though not treating charlie, he is helping him emotionally. and their new interview airs next week. >> there is something that he needed to keep focusion, the alcohol being a good example. but

charlie: how long ago did she do it? >> 1953. charlie: what is her name? >> martha. charlie: who was she affiliated with? >> harvard. last year at harvard they did it and it worked. charlie: they took the rats. >> the mice, and they gave plasma, the proteins from the blood from a young us to an old one. they found that stem cells go to sleep at a certain age, and these proteins wake up the stem cells so they can make new neurons in the brain. they can make the heart the better, new muscle stronger. what is exciting is, we will never live to 130 or 140. >> why not? >> there is general engineering failure in the body. charlie: but that means that organs are failing, and he just said that we can create cells, that create tissue, that create organs. so you are defeating the thing that kills us. disease that causes our heart and lungs -- >> the short run, it will make quality years into the 90's and 100s. the sky is probably the limit, but not within our lifetime. but within our lifetime, we will make the eighth, ninth, 10th decade quality. charlie: what is it they have t