proabuse and have a conversation along with you with mr. edward lucas, talking about his book "cyberphobia." i think it has a great deal of interest and really in two different ways for this audience, and others. one is your own personal security of your computer, your information, your bank accounts, and all sorts of other things. second of all, also deals in the book is the national security issues involved. you can imagine or read about the cyber -- how cyber can affect the nation's defenses, utilities, security systems, and i think we have already seen many examples of that. mr. lucas, is a senior editor at the economist. he has a long career as a correspondent in both russia and eastern europe. i should point out one book that i'm familiar with, published in 2008 called "the new cold war" and came out with a revision in 2013 and a third in 2014, which if you take a look it's you'll see that many of the things he said earlier are even more true than -- true now that were predicted back then. but tonight, the subject is cyber phobia, and just have mr. lucas talk about his book, then we'
question. >> thank you very much, mr. lucas, for doing this. i am marcus picker, work for german national public raid glow washington. what i'm concerned about evening more than the technical aspect of all those things is the fact that the american government employed someone who didn't even have a college degree, it got him into the most sensitive government systems, and he could manage to get all those things out and get away with it. until now, at least. so, how do you think governments or societies can protect themselves from those kinds of breaches? the regular things that people actually steal something. >> yeah. well, it's a great question. you didn't actually mention the name edward snowden. could have been some other hacker as well. there's been -- government likes to beat up industry over security. and they're right to do it. it's scandalous we don't share information better between different companies in the same distribution across industries. we need to do a much better job about protecting the data that is entrusted to us as companies -- whether it's the data of our
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