proabuse and have a conversation along with you with mr. edward lucas, talking about his book "cyberphobia." i think it has a great deal of interest and really in two different ways for this audience, and others. one is your own personal security of your computer, your information, your bank accounts, and all sorts of other things. second of all, also deals in the book is the national security issues involved. you can imagine or read about the cyber -- how cyber can affect the nation's defenses, utilities, security systems, and i think we have already seen many examples of that. mr. lucas, is a senior editor at the economist. he has a long career as a correspondent in both russia and eastern europe. i should point out one book that i'm familiar with, published in 2008 called "the new cold war" and came out with a revision in 2013 and a third in 2014, which if you take a look it's you'll see that many of the things he said earlier are even more true than -- true now that were predicted back then. but tonight, the subject is cyber phobia, and just have mr. lucas talk about his book, then we'
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