and hold precinct level, local and state conventions instead, followed by a congressional level contest to pick the state's 34 unbound delegates, plus three more appointed by party leaders. it's an arcane system but one the campaigns knew about and had the opportunity to organize around. cruz did, trump, not so much. it also could be worse. think about indiana, where party leaders got together last wednesday and picked the state's 27 gop delegates. all but one anti trump nearly three weeks before indiana voters go to the polls. again, not small d democratic, but also not unprecedented. throughout most of this country's history, state conventions were the way national delegates and party nominees were chosen. it wasn't until after the chaotic 1968 democratic convention where hubert humphrey got imposed on that party that popular primaries and caucuses became the standard. what happened in colorado last week is the last vestige of that old system. if voters dislike that system, they're always welcome to become active in the process and change it. and up next, who won the week? you

where the focus is, is on the state and local level. and most of the inmates are there. >> and so yet at the same time, jason, to michael's point, yes, it's mostly states putting people in prison. it's mostly governors and legislatures writing the laws of people of color. and yet the sort of blame for the crime bill, we really haven't reckoned with how broad it is. it's also states. i want to put up a couple data points. in the house of representatives, the democratic vote only -- forget the republicans. for the crime bill. 188 democrats in the house. 64 said no. in the state, 54 democrats for it. two know. no. and then down to the state level where black mares were asking for the crime bill and implementing the crime bill and putting people in prison. have we not had a broad enough reckoning by everyone? >> exactly. but that never happens during election season, joy. because it's about impression. look, only 12 members of the congressional black caucus voted against the crime bill. >> 24 voted for it. >> exactly. so you had black mayors, black leadership. the difficulty with what hap

party at the national, the state, and the local levels we need to be building out a bigger tent and allowing people to come in, and welcoming them and allowing them to understand that process. and i think, as you're seeing, two-thirds of the people think, all right, settle this. whomever has the most votes, they should be the nominee because what people want to see is our republican convention focused on ideas. they're three big issues we hear about repeatedly. national security, job and economic security, retirement security. they're saying look, get rid of the personalities, and the bickering, and the back and forth, pick a nominee, pick a running mate, focus on the issues, let's get this country on the right track. let's preserve our constitution. let's preserve our sovereignty. and that's what people want to see done. >> it is far from being settled. thank you very much congresswoman marsha blackburn. >> absolutely. good to be with you. >>> and why do delegates matter to the candidates just as much as your vote? catch msnbc's jacob soboroff's one hour delegate hunter at 11:00 ea

choose those delegates to the state convention. so you really do have your voice heard on the local level and that translates to having your voice heard on the state level as well. >> okay. but the decision to keep your delegates unbound, i mean, is that something to make north dakota have a bigger imprint overall in the national discussion? >> you know, honestly when we had this discussion ban in august we had no idea this would be the outcome of that discussion. >> no one did. >> it was -- yeah. right. no one thought that north dakota would be the focus for a weekend. but it was more about the fact that our party rules were in direct conflict with the rnc's rule change and we wanted -- we didn't have the time to change everything and to make it happen. so this is what our state committee chose. and those state committee members are chosen by people from their districts and so i mean, truly your republican on the local level does have a voice and say of what happens in the state. >> that is a republican who has been involved in party politics. what about the average voter who goes

? you're a former mayor of charlotte. could you accept all these limitations that big state government has put on city and local control? >> we didn't impose new regulations on businesses. i don't think the government ought to be the hr director for any business, whether it be in charlotte or greensboro or north carolina. and this is that fine line between how much does government tell the private sector in a regulatory way what to do. >> reverend, what's your response? >> reality is, what we're seeing in north carolina is a result both of the nullification we see in congress by not passing and fixing the voting rights act. you get this extremist kind of government leadership being elected because of that. and they pass these kinds of bills. this bill, hb2, we call it hate bill 2, is homophobic, race based, class based. it says a city can not require a contractor to raise the minimum wage to pay sick leave, to pay vacation leave, or even to have minority set asides. it also disallowed citizens from north carolina from filing discrimination cases in state court. this is anti-family, ant

region. because the states are relatively close, you called it the acela corridor, it is also an opportunity for candidates to visit more places and have more opportunity to be seen and talked about in local communities. we have been here since very early this morning, many hours ahead of the clinton campaign, and have seen people in the neighborhood who have stopped by wanting to know when can they come, when can they sign up to be here, what sort of wait should they expect. it gives a bit of buzz in each communities so making quick stops in as many states as possible can be helpful to both campaigns. >> thank you very much. kelly o'donnell in central falls, rhode island. >>> now i want to go to baltimore, maryland, where msnbc's chris jansing has been following the bernie sanders campaign. what are we expecting to hear from bernie in baltimore today? >> reporter: well, get out and vote. there's no doubt about that. one of his key messages has always been when the voters get out, when they exceed expectations, when they break records, he does better. when voter turnout is lower,

closing. >>> there are so many localisms at work tonight. there's so many states voting down this baltimore. they divided between baltimore city and baltimore county. this, i'm told, is baltimore city. magnificent mural in the background as voters go to the polls as they have under an hour to do now. we're nearing poll closings in the five states. >> one of those places where the democratic race is fascinating on lots of different levels. there's something like 13 people in the baltimore mayoral election. >> huge. >> even though it's ten to one republicans this baltimore, they get their say and the congressional districts matter. i love nights like this. on the republican side the big question is whether or not donald trump will get to 1237. he will or whether or not he won't. republican voters have strong opinions about that or they have some preferences they have voiced tonight. we have some of that from the exit polls. >> it points to bad news from the stop trump movement. a lot of potential stop trump movement isn't on board with what they want to pull off here. we asked repub

ditched the press corps in state college, pennsylvania, left his communications director, flew home he said to recharge his batteries, talked to some local reporters from the local affiliates who rushed over on the tarmac, didn't answer many questions. he does need to recharge his batteries. john palmieri at that very moment was briefing us at hillary headquarters, and she was saying he has to decide what he's going to do. she was very tough in her language. let me read it. if he's going to continue on the destructive path he started on the new york primary where he's making personal character attacks against her that mimic the attacks republicans make and aid republicans or if he's going to end this primary the way he promised, to run the campaign that would be focused on issues. they're not saying get out. they're saying, look, hillary clinton stayed in until june 7th after california against barack obama when there was no hope. but they're saying, do it with dignity. stick to the issues. don't get personal. >> joy, he's not offering new goodies like he has a lot of, college tuiti

that which we started the segment with here and that is the, if you will, localized, the grassroots protests that have been seen on both the democratic and republican rallies across the country. >> absolutely. and i think what's really fascinating is you look at states like new york will be heading into california in june, so it's not just the democratic candidates that are getting challenged. when ted cruz has been going to places in new york, people have been challenging him. it's communities of color, not just the standard older white american that is challenging what's going on within the primary process. >> and your space there's a deep existential question. thank you for your time today. >> thank you, richard. >> that does it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm richard lui in new york. thank you for spending this time with us. my colleague, francis rivera picks up our team coverage after a short break. stick around. ♪ the nissan rogue with intuitive all-wheel drive. take on the unexpected. people are taking charge of their type 2 diabetes with non-insulin victoza®. for a while

home, let allstate helprotect your rates. talk to a local allstate agent and discover how much more their personal service can do for you. call 888-429-5722 now. >>> as the campaign cycle shifts here to new york state, we're going to take a deeper look at the issues that matter most to new yorkers. one of those issues is the relationship between police and black communities, which was highlighted here in new york city by the death of eric garner back in 2014. the incident sparked protests in cities across the country, garner's daughter, erica, is supporting bernie sanders. she is campaigned for the vermont senator, and now appears in this new ad, airing here in new york. >> this is everything that i have, my family. i got to see my dad die on national tv. they don't know what they took from us. the people are dying. we need a president that is going to talk about it. >> and i'm joined now, pleased to say, that i'm joined by erica garner. thanks so much for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> the campaign is here in new york now. it's all about new york. that ads going to be runn

sure we don't lose the united states senate, the supreme court, the state and the local courthouse. i don't see this as any big deal other than the fact that i'm not going to spend resources in indiana, he's not going to spend them in other places. so what? what's the big deal? >> so who should your supporters vote for in indiana? >> i've never told them not to vote for me. they should vote for me. you ought to feel good about it. mine is like the people's campaign. we've been outspent basically 50-1. everybody chill out. >> governor, to people who want reform and are tired of political games as usual, doesn't this smack of the very same political games that have gone on? >> sir, there hasn't ever been anybody you've met in politics that's led more successful reform than john kasich, nobody. i've balanced the budget, i've shrunk the government, i've taken on corporate welfare, i've reformed the pentagon. when you talk about reform, check my record and you will see that i've been a reformer from the day that i got into politics and i will continue to be a reformer. and i think any w

setting, a district convention in the state of colorado where local republicans met to choose three delegates to the republican national convention. again, in any other year this would be the most boring and mundane event we would never be talking about it on national television, but this year is different. donald trump is desperate for every delegate he can get. he's trying to hit that magic number of 1,237 and the stop trump forces are equally desperate to keep him from getting there and that makes every single delegate vitally important and it makes what happened in colorado last night and what happened in places like it all over the country a very big deal. there is no one better to take us through exactly what went down last night and exactly what it means for that big picture than the man we are calling msnbc's resident delegate hunter jacob soboroff. he is en route to colorado springs, looks like he is on safari there. jacob soboroff, three convention delegates at stake last night. tell us what happened and tell us what it means. >> no safari, just the beautiful colorado land

states? "the washington post" jennifer ruben writes gop wakes up, polls are no longer trump's friend. she suggests the party is facing the fact trump could cost the gop the white house and impact local and state elections. >>> joining me now spencer kimbe kimbell. spencer, with a welcome, what do you make of jennifer ruben's assessment and do you think these last few weeks have been a wake-up call for the party? will we see a change in tone from donald trump? >> well, that's a good question, alex. and good morning. i think what we've seen with trump primarily is a scorched earth type of strategy in his campaign where he's pretty aggressive against former republican leadership, current republican leadership. and that's helped him build a strong base of support. but in order to win a general election he's going to have to expand beyond that. and he's going to have to change his basically communication and try to come up with more positive message to bring people into his group as opposed to just limiting himself to about a 30%, 35% we've been seeing. >> i want to look at a new post, "w

you, do you hear from friends, trump, clinton? >> i think in new york, trump. >> yeah. >> just local guy. >> all right. >> a lot of things from new york state as being a new york state resident, a bunch of us upstaters are gun law, gun owners. we don't want to see rights taken from us. >> they're telling me we got to go. they're yelling at me. appreciate all three of you being here. that's if from fly creek sider mill. toss it over to steve kornacki. he's going to pick up after this with his most important number of the day and today it's 4. (vo) on the trane test range, you learn what makes our heating and cooling systems so reliable. if there's a breaking point, we'll find it. it's hard to stop a trane. really hard. trane. the most reliable for a reason. try your favorite ranch with a fresh taste so crisp, you'll be surprised it doesn't crunch. hidden valley cucumber ranch. just one of our delicious ranch flavors.

him day in and day out. when he is taking a state very seriously or thinks it's going to be very competitive, he makes an effort to make his stump speech very local. take a look at how he referenced trade in indiana, in indianapolis yesterday to really hone his local message. take a look. >> if corporate america wants us to buy their products, they have got to start manufacturing those products in indiana, in vermont, in america, not just in mexico or in china. >> now, tomorrow senator sanders will be back on the campaign trail. he'll be holding an event in south bend, indiana. it's going to be very interesting to see if he continues, not just the local aspect of his stump speech, but also if he continues something he began in oregon the other day, that's criticizing the democratic party and outlining things he believes is important to become a part of the democratic party's agenda heading forward to the national convention. we'll see when he head out on the campaign tlal with him tomorrow. >> we'll look for more from you tomorrow, thank you very much danny freeman. >>> ted cruz

community that actually goes to the polls every year, both on local and state elections. >> but at the same time, it is personal in the sense they are character attacks. the attacks on the speeches or the attacks on the idea that hillary clinton has fund raisers. it is actually an attack on the character of the probable nominee. do you think in the end it winds up hurting hillary clinton if she's the nominee? well, i look at it in two ways. hillary clinton has had everything thrown at her, including two kitchen sinks. the notion that any additional attacks are wanting to hurt her in a significant way, i don't know that i would buy into it. it might -- there might be some damage done. but at the end of the day, she's probably the most attacked, other than president obama, the most attacked candidate ever. i mean, if you look at the data around new stories. i mean, when donald trump is at his worst, which is quite often, the majority of the negative coverage is still hillary clinton. >> right. >> so i think that's something that, you know, that she's had to deal with. i would say this, t

same impact that we've seen in years past? >> i think trump actually has more, you mentioned the state of wisconsin. it's easier to find people. the local radio show was against trump, so that hurt him. i do believe negative ads work, but they have to be against the right candidate. trump gets so much earned media, free media, that it just swallows up all the paid media you could possibly afford. so it's tricky. you can take the bark off someone like trump, but he can respond with a tweet and get as much air time as that in a week if he says something controversial. >> i want to just move over a second. we spent a lot of time talking, of course, about the splinters in the republican party, contested conventions. now that we're looking at the democratic side, and there is some concern about splinterring within the democratic party. >> i think a lot depends on what happens. . but then. the fallback here is influence in the party trying to reshape the party's flat form, perhaps on issues like fracking make a big difference. if his supporters think he's acting unfairly but he's allowed to

to some locals and get their take on the 2016 race. as for the candidates, nearly all of them have virtually put down roots in new york ahead of next week's primary here in this state. all but one of them will be in this area. today, right now john kasich about

centered there. it's the population center of the state. demographically, it is higher income. higher education. very politically engaged. they know what's going on. talk radio is an outlet for them, and from the very beginning local talkers in wisconsin have been opposed to donald trump from the very beginning, in spite of what was going on at the national level. they have an enormous amount of influence in the southeastern -- >> you might have heard barry bennett say who is a senior adviser to the trump campaign that they did prepare him for that interview but he just acknowledged there in that little sort of mocking thing that he did yesterday that he didn't know that they were against him. how influential can they really be? understanding that they're well listened to, but how influential can they be? >> i think they can be very influential. i'll use an example to make the point. back in 2010, congressman -- former congressman mark newman was running against then county executive scott walker, and the race started to tighten, as they often do in the primary, and all of the sudden

support for wages of the same-sex. she has not held office via senate, house or state legislature or local government and not a minute's worth and her claim is running a large corporation which she practically destroyed, hewlett-packard. it went down 50% of her leadership. all of her comments are off phase including saying vote for me because i am a woman. she says the opposite. vote for me because i am a woman, understand that we'll make history, vote for me because of what i stand for. the whole thing is disingenuous. it shows that ted cruz has no judgment. >> ted cruz and his rally just said carly fiorina is terrified of hillary clinton. i can picture of hillary thinking of fiorina, tossing. >> let me say this. all of that of the campaign has to do if fiorina is on a ticket which i doubt is just to show the commercials we ran of people who are fired by her and their jobs were sent over seas and she forced them to train replacement and had no compassion and demanded a huge, huge severance package when she was fired, $21 million. she is the face of corporate grieve. if she's on a na

there. i think they certainly recognize the importance of going to the state conventions and winning delegates. the thing about virginia is the process started long ago, is a much more local conventions and so by the time you get to the state convention, it's a little bit baked into the cake. there's not as much impact. i suspect if donald trump went to the convention, the expectation would be he would win it and do very well there and perhaps they got a cautionary reading on the convention. >> you touched on this. i want to go back for a second. a week from today we will all be talking about indiana. i'll be in indianapolis. what is the impact of a trump win in indiana moving forward? >> well, there are two phases to this now. one is momentum and one is the delegate math. obviously, if he beats ted cruz, the first time ted cruz has a one-on-one matchup with him, that is a big momentum boost for donald trump. on the delegate mathematic side, it's a winner take all statewide and winner take all by congressional district, so that if he gets a big haul of delegates that obviously makes

them come up for grabs. how many? >> what we found from looking at the rules, some state laws as well as talking to local officials is that basically out of the 172 that he won, which is still as you know, steve, more than john kasich who remains in the race, 34, at least 34 of these delegates will be up for grabs. everyone remembers i think who follows politics rubio went to the unusual length of sending a letter to every state and territory where he had won any delegates and said i want to hold on to them even though i'm not running for president anymore. a rubio aid told me the goal was to stop trump. well, rubio is not going to be able to hold on to all of them as we're reporting and ted cruz is, as you might expect, because of the way he has been organizing, the most equipped to get in and involved. here is a quote from a senior cruz aid who i spoke with about this, saying, quote, we are pleased at the response of the rubio contingent at state conventions and congressional delegate selection events are showing our campaign, this adviser told me, and also told me about what they'r

. we've been sampling it throughout the course of the morning. we'll be talking to some locals and get their take on the 2016 race. as for the candidates, nearly all of them have virtually put down roots in new york ahead of next week's primary here in this state. all but one of them will be in this area. today, right now john kasich about 40 minutes east of here in albany. both clinton, sanders, and trump are also nearby. why ted cruz gets a jump on california, part of his strategy to kick off delegates anywhere he can. in colorado, his organization managed to sweep that state's 13 unpledged delegates but trump isn't buying it calling the delegate system, quote, rigged and corrupt. >> i'm up millions of votes on ted cruz. millions. not like two votes. i'm up millions and millions of votes. we've got a corrupt system. it's not right. we're supposed to be a democr y democracy. we're supposed to be, you vote and the vote means something. >> which republican candidate is benefitting the most from the current delegate system? we've got exclusive nbc analyses in a few moments. meanwhile, th

talking to sean hannity on thursday. >> i think this. i think that local communities and states should make the decision and i feel very strongly about that. the federal government should not be involved. >> in other words, let local community decide kind of like your position on education, give it back to the states? >> yeah. let them decide. absolutely. >> he went to the reeducation camp, he got the message. sean hannity helped him out. turning it into a states' rights issue. there's no contradiction there. what are you talking about? >> the fact donald trump doesn't pay a price for taking positions that are anti-conservative in some ways, that appeal to maybe a former democrat that now likes him and is in the rust belt and has economic issues, then sliding right back into what the proper position is. your party can't fight him because he can do that and get away with it. >> in fairness, i am a republican but i'm not representing the republican party. i haven't represented the republican party in years. the point is, what drives movement conservatives up the wall is exactly this kind

chris, all week long, we have been talking about the influence of conservative radio, local conservative radio, in that state versus some of the bigger national names that we have come to know. it's a very interesting part of what could play out on tuesday. >> we have never seen anything like this, tamron. the establishment led by talk radio, with this anti-trump movement, going against the gop front-runner, and not just in a sort of usual talk show way, but in a vitriolic and really impassioned way. they're at least four big talk show hosts here led by charlie sykes, who did an interview with donald trump on monday. people are still talking about it. talking about the fact that trump went on three of the four big talk shows and didn't even seem to know they had been trying to stop him for months now with this movement. and add to that, he came to town, he talked badly about the governor, who is very popular here among the base. he's only in the 40s across wisconsin. but among the republican base, he's got an approval rating of 70%, 80%. then there's paul ryan, of course, th

from just a local basis. unless they're moving to another state. we're keeping them in the country. but people aren't doing that. they're moving to mexico. mexico is a mini china right now. what's going on in mexico is incredible. nafta is a disaster. nafta was one of the worst things ever signed in the history of this country from an economic standpoint. nafta, it sucked our jobs away. it sucked them away. and john kasich approved nafta when he was in congress. he was a deciding vote for nafta. and it was signed by president bill clinton. there's a relative that's going to be running for office. signed by clinton. >> we're going to break away from donald trump right now to get back to our colleague, political reporter kevin rader. forgive me for my lack of hoosier hospitality there. you talk about how close the polls have been in that state. five days to go. it may very well decide the nomination ultimately, or at least decide that ted cruz cannot be the nominee going forward. is indiana more like a wisconsin? there's obviously no scott walker in a state like indiana. or what is i

federal, 15 where possible, state and locally. >> yes. she thinks new york did the right thing because they have really taken into account the economy in upstate new york. >> there's the battle over whether mrs. clinton should release those transcripts from her paid speeches. it came up again last night. let's listen to her response last night. >> look, there are certain expectations when you run for president. this is a new one. and i've said if everybody agrees to do it, because there are speeches for money on the other side, but there is a longstanding expectation that everybody running release their tax returns. you can go to my website and see eight years of tax returns, and i've released 30 years of tax returns. i think every candidate, including senator sanders and donald trump, should do the same. >> so this was great because there are two totally different issues to discuss. one is how difficult is it for someone to release tax returns, especially if you don't as the senator from vermont said have, you know, untold amounts of weal wealth. this is not the 400 pounds of

. what you're seeing down here is all of the delegates from the local level, the state -- the state districts that are coming in here and registering to be a part of voting for these unbound delegates. walk over this way. what you're going to see is an entirery different thing. these are people recruiting on the local level. it's going to be frankly quite difficult for me to track down these 28 unbound delegates that are going to come out and have an extraordinary amount of power to elect donald trump if they want. the presidential nominee on the first ballot. that is because there are such a tiny amount of them in all of these people. what's going to happen here today noigs to seeing ted cruz lobby for these folks is we're going see everyone come in and be a part of this process. unbound delegates do not have to stick to a popular vote. in fact, there is no popular vote here in the state of north dakota in the primary election and that is why some folks are saying this is undemocratic. we're going to see what we can find out in the days ahead. today and tomorrow this is all going t

party here or are folks doing their normal local thing? >> no, i think that -- well, there is a combination of that. so like i said, we're watching a video now about sales tax collection, cass county contributes 15% of the entire state sales tax contribution. this is normal parks and rec kind of stuff, for lack of a better term. but you also see great national interests from media sitting up right there. you see the unbound delegates, have a keen awareness in deciding the republican party's nominee. and the focus for all intents and purposes right now, is more on this state than it is on wisconsin. >> yeah. and as you say, look, we cover these state by state election nights, which are exciting. but as a matter of math on the path to the nomination, where you are right now is going to determine as many delegates as certain other states. so it's going to be important. we're going to check back in with you jacob soboroff, thank you very much, from fargo, north dakota. >>> next, we talk about what it is like to be inside a donald trump rally. fs investment manag, we believe in the p

that the state and local authorities should be sorting this out, even though again the epa does have a significant role to play in all of this. but the president going out there will certainly draw more attention to the problem. he's always been concerned, we understand, about how the residents have been responded to. and we know that there's a big concern about the fact that this is a relatively poor and minority community and whether they are in fact getting the attention to this problem that they deserve. >> yeah, because, ron, it's important to mention that this is continuing, this crisis is continuing. there have been little children who have been affected by this and that are going to have long-term impacts on their health because of this. this is not something that, you know, is not going to fade in the near future. and i understand, ron, that he's been exchanging letters with an 8-year-old girl from flint. >> reporter: he's received a lot of letters from residents there, jose, over the months, explaining what exactly they're feeling and what exactly they're fearing. you'

trump but they're running for their own elections this year. politics can locis local regard the state you're in. when you consider the 1246 republican members, most of them, 200, aren't ever going to endorse. they're running for their own election. all politics is local and they're going to support the republican against hillary clinton because shes going to be the democrat nominee. she will unite our party. but it's not that ted cruz has any support to the best of my knowledge in the senate where they know him best, he still has maybe 2 supporters. but no, my members, fellow members are very comfortable that they can run with and win with donald trump at the top of the ticket. but they're not going to come out and formally endorse him. that's not what members do in their own election cycle. >> what do you say to republicans like michael gurson in the bush white house who say that at least losing with cruz would be more respectedabable f the party, a true conservative, than losing with trump who they don't believe is a real conservative? >> well, what mr. trump is a chief execut

outside the venue. in your upper right is the aerial shot from the local affiliate watching things from above the building. we had a shot a moment ago, a podium set up, a republican state convention. donald trump one of many speakers set to address the group. john kasich expected to be there later tonight. looks like everyone is milling around at this point. donald trump was scheduled to begin at 3:00 eastern time and 3:45 now. a good 45 minutes late. there was one person who came up to the podium at one point and came to the room and said he was in a vip meeting and would be out shortly. that was a good 15 minutes ago. let's turn to kristen welker, covering the democrats for us, from washington today. as you look in the context of a general election moving past what will happen june 7th in california, this does not seem to bode very well for donald trump there are so many californians willing to show up at noontime at a rally, i mean at an event. >> reporter: and the clinton campaign watching this unfold very closely. it was interesting, as i list listened to some protesters say why th

cruz has also gained, in these local processes that are playing out in that state, before this weekend's state conventions. an extraordinarily complex thing. it would normally be something that doesn't make national news. but in this year, in this race, it could be the difference between donald trump getting the nomination and not. and msnbc's delegate hunter, jacob soboroff, is in colorado springs. jacob, what can you tell us what about what's going on there? >> reporter: as you said, steve, we have some breaking news here out of colorado springs, colorado. ted cruz has just added three additional delegates, two unpledged, one pledged to his already -- to the three he already won today, bringing the total to six. and overall, he's up to 15 for 15, up to 37 delegates that have been up for grabs in this state. 1 of those are pledged. we've just seen the latest congressional district number four finish up their pitches to the audience. i want to bring in right now kendall unru. i want to ask you, how did you get on the slate? how did the ted cruz campaign find you? have you spoke

put up the map. oklahoma, minnesota, and louisiana. these are states where either state law or party rule ace cording to the interpretation of local republican officials means they're up for grabs. that means they can go to cruz or trump right now. wi spoke to the oklahoma state chair and she said, look, our state rules say if someone's not on the ballot, they're free to vote for whoever they choose and i support that. this is important as you mention because cruz and trump are separated by 200 debt gals total. cruz is out methodically working on these people. indeed, e spoke to a pastor from oklahoma just last night who got a rubio slot. he said he's for cruz and now as we're reporting as the state rule allows him to do so, he'll be for cruz on the first ballot, tamron. >> it is intriguing, ari. every delegate counts. 34 will get a shrug. we know that 34 can be absolutely critical to what we see play out with donald trump if he goes in at least with the most degree gats. thank you very much, ari. also next. a deeper look at the roll of the 2016 race. we hear so much about it f

states rights partd, that's what republicans are all about, giving states and localities the empowerment they need to do best for the people there, a caucus might work better in iowa than a prima primary. i think that's why we are a different party than the democrats because we believe in the states. every convention every four years we do revisit the rules and sometimes a states will say we would rather have a caucus, states have that flexibility. there are changes every time. one last point, it's interesting because i want to be clear, while the rules haven't been tested this way in 40 years, don't mistake this. campaigns like last time in 2012 both the romney and paul campaign very much understood the rules and played them hard to the limit because it's not a question of it was just they weren't as brought out into the public and we weren't talking about the rules on tv every day. there is no question that campaigns going back the last 40 years have clearly understood the rules it's just at a certain point in the campaign it hasn't mattered as much, but make no mistake, an

the vast majority of delegates coming out of this state are unbound. they don't have to listen to the will of the voters. that is why dom is right here, a local radio host, 1210 wthp and talking to unbound delegates, including this man right here what they are going to do if they are elected for the republican national convention. when you go to the ballot in pennsylvania, you're not just voting for president but delegates too. all of these people are not just candidates but running in the first district. there's three candidates for three spots. they are definitely going to the convention. this is chris and seth. who are you supporting going to the convention? >> right now i'm uncommitted and give serious consideration to how the district votes but in the end i will vote for who i feel is the best candidate. >> you wont be tied necessarily to what your constituents vote for? >> it's a big consideration, that's who elects us but no mat every whom our voters vote for, we need to win back the white house. >> reporter: that's a lot of power to have. i want to talk with seth. your positio

was talking about the statue of paterno needs to be put back at the stadium at penn state, is it wise for trump to be weighting into that issue? >> it's an example of trump using more local language and competing in these primaries. as a pennsylvania myself, i am quite aware and others are in pennsylvania of how deep the penn state roots are and that alumni network is. the joe paterno and convictions for jerry sandusky, there's still a lot of anger about the statue being removed. he's playing towards the central pennsylvania voters saying he is supporting paterno, if you remember was a supporter of republican candidates in his lifetime. >> yeah. it's going to be an interesting one. pennsylvania after new york. robert costa, thank you so much for being with us as always. >> thank you. >>> the last time chris matthews had a town hall, the candidate he interviewed, you might remember, spent a week struggling to clarify his views on abortion. that was donald trump. now the hardball host just finished taping a new town hall with republican john kasich. what hot button issue did he hit this

be leading in new york state, but that's not stopping the people from coming out to protest his rally. so the local police are doing the prep for more protests during a rally and visit from donald trump tomorrow. nbc's cal perry is going to speak to protesters, coming up next. you are working with humana and your doctor to maintain your health. because in 5 days, 10 hours and 2 minutes you are going to be 67. and on that day you will walk into a room where 15 people will be waiting... 12 behind the sofa, 2 behind the table and 1 and a half behind a curtain. family: surprise! but only one of them will make a life long dream come true. great things are ahead of you when your health is ready for them. at humana, we can help you with a personalized plan for your health for years to come. hey kevin. hey, fancy seeing you here. uh, i live right over there actually. you've been to my place. no, i wasn't...oh look, you dropped something. it's your resume with a 20 dollar bill taped to it. that's weird. you want to work for ge too. hahaha, what? well we're always looking for developers w

deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. here, there, everywhere. united states postal service priority: you >>> so we've been following breaking news out of baltimore. our affiliate wbal reporting that the building where the local fox and cw tv affiliates are located, that building was evacuated. that happened around 1:00. what we knew at the time was it was due to a suspicious person. our affiliate saying this person came in wearing a mask and sunglasses and po sunglasses and purportedly said he had a bomb or some sort of explosive device. that's why the building was cleared. station officials confirming that everyone is a little worried, but they are safe. also reporting that they saw the suspect and heard some loud popping sounds. let's go to pam wood on the scene there. she joins me by phone. pam, what have you been able to learn? >> you described it very well what happened here. we were all standing out here when the man who was not only wearing a mask and sunglasses, but he was wearing a jump suit like a panda suit. he walked out of the building. there were offic

out on the ground? >> well, when you look at the headlines and local papers, we were just in indianapolis and the front page was a picture of carly fiorina and ted cruz talking about candidates coming to indiana to blan ket the hoosier state five days before what will be a crucial primary, not just for ted cruz but that stop trump movement. you will see on the stage behind me, he and carly fiorina with first campaign rally since he announced that she would be on his ticket if he were to win the republican nomination, and in our conversation, carly fee over-rena and i talked about this attack line coming from the trump campaign. you heard paul manafort talk about that this morning, it is desperate, this is an act of desperation for cruz to be naming fiorina his running mate without having locked up the nomination. there is historical precedent, you think back to ronald ragen in 1976. the argument coming from team cruz this is an unprecedented race. it's an unusual race, it's not out of the ordinary that something like this, early naming of a vp pick would happen. the cruz camp

, his local appeal here and in the area. his style of politics in general, which played not so well in a place like iowa, that had mixed success in some of these nicer states like minnesota and utah, this is pure new york. so for him to take a baseball back to reince like this, that's sort of what they expect. >> they love it. >> he's leading in the polls. the other question is ted cruz, he comes in second place. he was never a good fit for new york to give. is that further complicating it? >> oh, definitely. he wasn't a good fit but he won the state convincingly. he was able to reinvent himself. here in new york cruz is pretty upfront in the primary process. he's expected to wrap it up. his strategy was geared towards lock that go down in the southern states at the beginning of march. when he was popping off last winter about new york values he never imagined he would be in the bronx? >> right. >> so let me ask you where this thing goes from here. after wisconsin it seemed the conventional wisdom jumped to, that's it, open convention, he can't get there. i'm opening the map if he sweeps