being one of just two republicans, it was difficult to differ with a republican president on such major issue, but as i stated at the time, my decision was above any partisa partisanship. it was a decision of conscience rather than a matter of republican versus democrat. after a tremendous amount of soul-searching, i did what i thought was right, regardless of the political pressure. now, the same is true today with regard to the supreme court vacancy. under president george w. bush, i faced another dilemma. the president and the republican congressional leadership determined after president george w. bush was elected president on a policy to get tax cuts done -- and i agreed with that policy -- but they wanted to provide a $1.6 trillion in tax relief in 2001. i was chairman of the senate finance committee. the problem is, we had a senate that was divided 50-50 at the time. the parties' numbers were equal also not only in the senate but on the senate finance committee. i had two members on my side who were reluctant to support a huge tax cut because they had concerns about the deficit a

the republican party has moved on from, forgive me, normal republicans. in the state of new york, it is not a normal republican party anymore. and now in the state of new york, when republicans alone are asked in a closed primary about what kind of person they would like to represent them in high elective office, you have to understand that in new york right now, this is more the kind of guy they pick. >> if we've learned anything tonight, it's that new yorkers are as mad as hell. and we're not going to take it anymore. >> hi. i'm carl palodino and i'm mad as hell. i'm mad as hell. and i'm not going to take it anymore. they say i'm an angry man. and that's true. we're all angry. not just because we woke up on the wrong side of the bed. >> that's hot new york republican party nominated to be their candidate for governor in 2010. when new york got andrew cuomo as the democratic state governor, that happened in part because of andrew cuomo, but it's also because this is who the republicans picked to run against him. >> what do we do with all the people on we

the republican that happened in 1964 is because the so-called establishment choice for the republican party, the guy who was supposed to get the nomination, his campaign cratered and the party ended uptuing to barry goldwater once their plan a ended. prescott bush is part of the reason plan a ended. the establishment choice w this guy. the popular recently reelected zillionaire governor of new york state, nelson rockerfeller. they had a similar pedigree and similar politics. prescott was well regarded, well liked moderate republican senator from connecticut. it was a good, popular high profile in the republican party even after he left the senate in his own terms when he decided not to run for re-election. prescott was friends with nelels rockerfeller. everybody assumed that prescott bush, of all people would be all in for nelson rockerfeller. he went for what was almost his inevitable nomination in 1964. then what happened to blow it all up was that nelson got divorced in 19. even worse, unimaginably worse, the following year in 1963, he got remarried. senator prescott bush, this lib

predemocrats to republicans. from high school or less through some college to college grads to post-grads, every demographic group prefers the democratic party to the republican party, mostly by a large margin. i mean, other than the generic amalgamation of white people it's even. but other than that everybody else in the country, every other way you can divide the population, people are more in favor of the democrats than the republicans. mostly by double digits. but here's the thing that's going to keep republicans up tonight. and that is the way these numbers are changing over time. given what's going on right now in republican politics. check this out. the last time pew did this survey was the fall of last year. so when the presidential race was really heating up. in that time, since last fall, americans' view of the republican party has dropped to just between last fall and now, the view of the republican party has dropped. but the thing that has made it drop the most is the views of republicans themselves.

they republican -- they criticize republicans for the money but hiding behind all of this complaining about the money, they are rigging their own nomination. to the guy who said that bernie sanders doesn't deserve superdelegates, because he didn't raise money, now you have democrats who want to raise money for them. for the lady who said, he doesn't deserve any because he didn't get the most votes that in that case, why don't we just basically primary on chicago, new york, atlanta and dallas. leave everybody else out? the democrats scream about something and then, when you get down to the details, they are incoherent. other people are catching on to this. with the emergence of trump, people are realizing that they have said this stuff before. but wait a minute, it doesn't make sense. i think people are figuring this stuff out. they're determining that the democrats are hypocrites. host: tom, thank you for the call. i nominates point -- myself to be a superduper delegate and my vote is worth 500 points -- that is how this works, right? we are talking about the superdelegates. there are

. >> fracturing the republican party. truly fracturing it in a way -- we don't know. >> maybe it needed to be fractured. maybe it needed to be fractured. >> final thought here? >> yes. i would say responding to these comments and jame garrity a great reporter said earlier today -- >> i think we lost doug. that was no statement on wa we think of you, doug. i think we lost your satellite. >> thank you for joining me. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now on this fine friday. >> hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." we begin with a presidential contest that may not be on your radar because it isn't really a contest at all. wait for it. at least as far as actual voters are concerned, that's the contest we are talking about. the candidates are stumping in wisconsin where both parties hold primaries on tuesday, and new york, the biggest delegate jackpot of the entire month, republican insiders in north dakota, yes, north dakota, are gathering this weekend to choose more than two dozen d

in 1980 when republicans convened for their next convention in detroit, that republican convention in 1980 not only was that not a fight, it was an absolute coronation. reagan put his chief rival george bush on the ticket as a running mate. there was a little noise that he would pick jesse helms. it was a pretty smooth transition. the vice presidency went to poppy bush. they had also set up the rules at the 1980 convention so only one name could be put in nomination. there was no drama over that. another reagan challenger named john anderson had fought hard that year to get a speaking slot at the republican convention but the republican party and the reagan campaign forces figured out way to box john anderson out of that so he didn't get to speak. it was a no drama occasion. '76 had been crazy. '80 was not crazy. ronald reagan got 97% of the delegate votes that year. it was as smooth as glass. they cast their votes. they formally nominated him. he gave his acceptance speech. the convention was seen as huge, smoothly run success in 1980. the first thing reagan did, the first thing he d

to save the republican party. pretty soon you'll hear it said, lawrence, that donald trump is nelson rockefeller without the art collection. he's a big old fashioned republican from whom the party was interested in 1964 and ronald reagan campaigned against his entire life, and ted cruz going to make an explicit argument to life long republicans that their party is at stake. i think republicans are out there -- i'm not part of never trump, i'm neutral. i support the party nominee. but i have talked to so many republicans who are worried of an absolute wipeout with donald trump at the top of the ticket. i want to be very cautious of bias which always happens in the media when ted cruz won wisconsin, everyone thought he was running in the nomination and donald trump had a big night tonight -- he has to get another 170 delegates. so there's at who of hand to hand delegate combat going on here. but i think there's a real few weeks here where the republican party says, are we going to abandon everything that we have bec

of republican will win. on one side of this, u.s. senate gop race, you got lieutenant governor david dewhurst, he faces a major threat from former texas solicitor general ted cruz. the biggest challenge has been getting people to the polls in the dead of summer. >> the turnout in that dead of summer runoff election dropped another 23% from what had been the terrible turnout in the invisible primary that led to that runoff. nobody turned out. and the results of that, the reason that ends up being of national, if not international importance today in 2016, is because in the end, that process that i just explained, that was the process by which we effectively got a new u.s. senator from one of the largest states in the union. thanks to incredibly fur tutous timing that gave him an almost unbelievably tiny electorate, that's how he got a u.s. senate seat from this giant state with fewer voters than you have in your average congressional district. >> the people who show up and vote in a runoff, particularly a run

republicans are pessimistic. as the republican campaign mostly divided the party. 57% of the republicans believe that this fight between donald trump and ted cruz has been divisive. the fight between hillary clinton and bernie sanders is seen in a polite. 68% believe that it has energized the party while only 27% of new york democrats believe it has divided the party. while we're seeing this infighting right now between the hillary clinton and bernie sanders campaign at this stage of the campaign, we're seeing the voters on the democratic side see it as a plus. jake. >> thanks. i wonder how much of that is a result of the fact that the two front-runners are donald trump and hillary clinton. so clinton supporters taking a more optimistic view because they're confident that hillary clinton will do well here, maybe likely get the nomination. trump supporters perhaps very upset at how much the party seems allied against their man. >> i know the clinton people would probably beg to differ, but this has not been a horr

for many republicans. this is a step to co-less the republican party. if he's going to be the presumptive nominee, he needs to put some policy or substance down on the table and win over some of these republicans and coalesce the party. chairman bob corker of the senate gave it a positive nod. these are the sort of things, the stuff he will have to take to coalesce the party and photograph i'm a serious actor and i'm going to be a serious president and can represent the republican party. charles: once again very spirited. i appreciate that. there is a new tennessee law that just came out today that allows their pifts and counselors to decline serving clients if it violates their beliefs.ng costs dr. keith ablow is going to join me. she's got customized coverage you can count on. you chipped my birdbath! now you're gonna pay! not so fast! i cover more than just cars and trucks. ♪ action flo did somebody say "insurance"? children: flo! ♪ action flo cut! can i get a smoothie, please? ooh! they got smoothi

it's one of the most republican areas in the country. most reliably republican. it's been busy all day long. let any take a check of how many voters have gone through here. one of the reasons donald trump told me he thought he would do well is because of turn out. seemingly not understanding in these three counties, high turn out favors ted cruz. he was unaware of the reports in politico, by nbc news, on the cover of new york magazine, reports that his campaign is disarray. fighting between the people who have been with him for years and the new political types that are coming in. i asked him about some of the criticism he's taken. his criticism of the governor, his criticism of the speaker of the house. his criticism of talk radio h t hosts. here is what he told me. >> you don't feel ill served that you didn't know they had been leading an anti-trump -- >> i don't mind that. you go into the enemy camp. he's not smart guy, not a bright guy. if you listen to the entire show, you would have said donald trump won the debate. i was on the show for 15 minutes. everybo

with the republicans? and then at the last minute, there trying not to support him. thank you. i think especially at the reluctance tomp's support the republican nominee was a play on his part. i think he knew he had leverage over the party if he threatened a third-party run, and he also tried to get them to pledge for him. as to why the remaining candidates are not going to support him, i think it is accumulated -- eight cumulative of the choices he made. i kind of empathize with ted ,ruz's promise to support trump yet at the same time, they were personal attacks on ted cruz's wife and anderson why that is hard to look past. it is a strange dynamic in the republican party right now, and there will be a lot of interesting votes about the election afterwards. host: talking about the numbersan race and the in today's "new york times," a piece that points out about the fact that donald trump has complained about party rules. mr.ays -- one big reason trump's chance looks so good as something to do it 20 years

that district has about 20% republican. the guy we spoke to in charge there said the republicans were turning out. there were also a lot of young people showing up who had not registered for the primary who were being turned away because they are independents. you have to register in new york as either a democrat or a republican in order to vote in the primary. so those young people were turned away presumably they were bernie sanders supporters. at other polling stations throughout the city there were broken machines. there's a lawsuit because 200 people had their party affiliation changed they say without them knowing it. in a big case in brooklyn, 54,000 were purged from the voter polls and now there is an emergency injunction to see if they can be able to vote. that's just some of what's going on at the polling stations. we spoke to people who are voting about what drew them to the polls. >> i think it is a great honor for new york. new york is a special place. we're going to make america great again. >> why did you vot

not always a republican. what do you think he needs to say to sway those conservatives in california? >> well, you know, he's talking to a much more conservative, especially socially conservative, base of the republican party than the real republican party voters in california. so it's a different sort of group. i think the average republican voter in california is more like the republican voters in new york who are more live and let live on social issues. i think the group is less like that. so it's an interesting dilemma for him because i don't -- i'm more the live and let live person. so i think he is trapped between -- so i want him to talk to me not to them. if you know what i'm saying. >> i do. >> he has to win the primary. >> i understand. he does, indeed. and then between the perhaps primary and november that his stance on the spectm could, indeed, change. roger simon, screenwriter, lives in hollywood, plans to vote for donald trump, thank you so much. great to hear your perspective. let's go back, i

at the republican convention. remember, donald trump actually said that possibly if he doesn't get the nomination there could be riots potentially. republicans are up for re-election. are saying they don't necessarily want to be associated with that. we talked to some who say stay away from the convention, worry about campaigning back home. kelly ayotte out of new hampshire and richard burke, north carolina, both of them are up for re-election. both said it is increasingly unlikely. i ran into jeb bush, he said no. so you're really seeing republicans start to stay away from what could be an ugly scene in cleveland, brooke. >> manu raju, thank you so much. we're watching to see paul ryan momentarily. joining me now, a mega panel on this tuesday. i have gloria borj, cnn political reporter david chalian, cnn political commentator margaret hoover, republican strategist, and in another screen, chief correspondent john king. and lou gargilo, the trump campaign co-chair in rockingham county, new hampshire. to all of you,

and why he is the best opportunity for republican voters to vote for a republican going forward. another aid saying this is not going to be a donald trump indictment tonight. that is not for tonight. tonight is looking ahead towards the future, erin. >> that's what ted cruz desperately wants to do tonight. "outfront" now our panel that will be with us the whole hour, our hillary clinton supporter, bernie sanders supporter and republican strategist anna navarro and jeffrey lord, dana bash, ryan lizza, and john avalon. the delegate hall is big. it's not just that it's a crucial state because no one is a majority. texas and florida so far have had more and only california will have more in the future, new york truly matters. >> new york truly matters and you've got two hometown candidates, donald trump and hillary clinton trying to get the distance in the count they need. that is a state more representative than people think. it is a state where independents out number republicans and donald trump will be a great test to see how he can appeal to western new york. hillary clinton, ho

republican governor. waukesha, about 7% of the population, suburban republicans very big right here. you move to the north here, you have washington county. you move over here, ozaukee county. we've seen in the past primaries when he was hot and winning, trump was succeeding in the suburbs. let's watch tonight to see if ted cru ted cruz if he's going to win in wisconsin he's going to do it in the milwaukee suburbs. another place on the republican side, even though madison one of the most liberal cities in america, this is important in the republican race, dane county because delegates are awarded statewide then by congressional district. so if you're john kasich, you're looking to pick up a congressional district, this is where you're looking to do well down here. we want to watch the rural parts of the state, especially the northern tier of the state. donald trump's trade message sells best up in here. if donald trump, even if he loses statewide tonight, can he pick up delegates in the congressional dist

that's how it works for the republican party. if you are making a bipartisan indictment that attacks both the republican establishment and democrat establishment, you will have a lot of republicans rally around the message. guest: what you will see with him is saying he wants everybody to be on board and on the team, but he will not go out of his way to make a norma's concessions. one of the things that would be smart is to reach out to paul ryan upon winning indiana and say, what does the legislative package i sent up to the congress on january 21 look like? what does the first 100 days of legislation that you can pass -- i would like you to partner with me in helping draft those legislative packages. that's how he does the reach out to those establishment republicans, through paul ryan. but getting the favor of the washington lobbying class, the political establishment, it's not really important. mark: i said before i thought he would get bush 41. who are people who you are worried would follow romney's course, say they would v

if you compare where democrats are to republicans, republicans are in war. so it's a little bit messy. so it's going to be a little bit harder for her and maybe it's not over until june, but they're going to be united. partisans like bernie sanders as much as they like hillary clinton. >> let me say, i think wisconsin is going to be good for bernie sanders. he's expected to win there. this is not going to be 2008 for hillary clinton. bernie sanders needs a big win. you talked about april 5th, 1960, john f. kennedy coming out of wisconsin, think about it april 10th, mill weekwaukee was first city to have an elect socialist mayor. >> i think he voted in that election. >> come on. you are going to make everybody mad, aren't you. >> but hillary clinton is struggling to close out this nomination. let's call it what it is. she's struggling to do that. it is not this -- if there wasn't a republican fight we would be going what's going on here? >> if donald trump didn't exist, we would be talking about how she's the most unpopular nominee. >> she would be that. inst

ballot at the republican convention, new york senator arrived at the republican convention in chicago with way more delegates than anyone else including the new york delegation which was the biggest delegation at the convention in those days and by trump's rules republicans who arrive at the convention with the most delegates should get the nomination. on the first delegate ballot senator seward got 1 73. by the third ballot it was a landslide for lincoln in an outcome donald trump calls a tragedy. >> they should be aamamed of themselves for allowing this kind of crap to happen. they should be ashamed of themselves because it has nothing to do with democracy. >> william seward was a bit moro mature than donald trump and he became president lincoln's secretary of state. donald trump sounds like he's trying to make peace in some of his opponents. in an interview he says he has been c considering scott walker, marco rubio and john kasich as potential vice president running mates. john kasich said there was zero chance of him running with donald trump. scott walker laughed it off saying i

but that's what a lot of republicans are afraid of. that everything could change yet again very quickly. i'm joined now by the former rnc chairman, who is also served has the secretary of veterans affairs. jim nicholson, along rl strategist and admaker brian todd of on messaging. and our own political editor here at nbc news, kerry dan. secretary nicholson, excuse me, i believe that's the one i should be referring to you as. let me start, look, you were chairman in the '90s, you tell me what you're seeing here. if you were having to arbitrate what's going on between the rnc and trump, where would you come down on? >> i think reince priebus is doing a great job. he's emphasizing the importance of the rules. i mean, we're republicans, these rules in every state, every territory have been clear since last october. and they haven't changed a bit. so every candidate has known what the rules have been in every state. so, it's up to them to organize themselves to comport and take advantage of the rules of that particular jurisdiction. i don't

we asked this question to republicans nationally in our poll. if there is an open convention, should the nominee be the delegate's choice or the candidate who got the most votes in the primary? almost 2/3 of republicans, 62% say the one with the most votes. so your strategy, i get what you're trying to pull off there, but republicans are saying, they don't want you doing that. >> over the last several weeks, republicans are gathering in fire houses and churches across this country. these are the hard-working members of the republican party who knock on doors, who make phone calls, who work to get people elected. they're out there working often for years, even decades, as volunteers for the republican party. those are the people that are campaigning and working to elect delegates, to become delegates and go to the convention. that's what the republican party is about. it's not a beauty contest. it's not like donald trump's s miss america contest. this is the same obstacle course that every president nominated by the republican party since abe lin

presidential nomination. 38 states have voted so far on the republican side. of the 38 states donald trump has won 26 of them, including his blowout wins last night in five states. his smallest margin of victory was 30 points in connecticut. that was the smallest margin and 30 points, that's how badly he beat john kasich in connecticut. donald trump's victory over ted cruz was 46 points. the big delegate prize last night was pennsylvania. donald trump not only one statewide in pennsylvania, he won every congressional district in pennsylvania. he won every county in pennsylvania. ted cruz's big claim to fame so far in the presidential race has been that he's been able to line up delegates even in states where he's losing. that's the way he's been able to stay seemingly competitive. in pennsylvania last night there was that big pot of 54 unbound delegates who were not going to be committed by the results of any vote. it turns out that big pot of 54 unbound delegates which you might think ted cruz would mon opposite lies it turns out they're going almost complete

not a lot of republicans in this district in san francisco, not a lot of republicans in los angeles. so the campaign that is organized to win an overwhelming democratic districts and in some cases overwhelming hispanic and african-american districts with very few republican votes is going to be the campaign that is able to take those delegates out of those districts. >> we get a preview of that tonight in new york. >> so donald trump is running significantly ahead in california, but how will he perform in some of these districts in los angeles, san francisco, but if donald trump does in california and he has a similar lead in california that he had coming into new york, then the race will effectively end with the california primary and he'll be the nominee on the first ballot. >> as a person who has run republican campaigns in california, do you think trump will win the state. >> he's 20 points ahead in the state. he's a late engagement state. people don't start paying attention to politics in california until late. it's an expensive state. $3 million per week of advertising. no camp

and the republicans are really angry. you are going to have a very, very upset and angry group of people at the convention. i hope that doesn't happen because if i win people are going to be very happy. >> we are listening to donald trump talking about the delegates. we will take a listen to that. >> 100%. are you ready? are you ready? are you ready? are you ready? >> you better believe it. >> want to bring in jacob rascon where trump is speaking. trump has been railing against the rnc. seems he is sharpening his attacks against the rnc and its leadership. >> he is and we are seeing a different kind of candidate. he has localized statistics about unemployment. here in new york he is ahead by the widest margins yet of the primary season and yet campaigning as if the race is neck and neck. a dozen stops from staten island to syracuse because he doesn't want to just win. he wants to wipe out ted cruz's chances of getting to the nomination before cleveland. in fact, if he does as well as he is polling in new york in the next

only from tums. >>> this quote is from a republican. if my opposition to trump is going to cost me friends then all i can say is so be it. sounds like one of those thoughtful republicans as hillary clinton put it that she was addressing last night. that republican joins us next. ♪ ♪ does nobody use a turn signal anymore? ♪ to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. tell 'em cedric sent you. i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cas

do you feel the republican party left you? >> yeah, well, i think a majority of republicans -- i thinthe majority of people in is country a classic libels, whicis bng speakingith a brd brush stroke, socially liberal. th is the cami am in i happ to belie most republins are ithat cam also. but having participated in the 2012 election cycle, there was not one social conservative on stage. it was not say or. -- it was not fair. what was not fair was to be in the debates, the networks would say you had to be 2% in a, b, c, d kohl's. when you're not in a, b, and c thes, that means in d polls media to be at 8%. the republican party did not stand up for me. running for the president as a libertarian, there is no way that a third party wins. there is no way i have a chance of winning unless i am in the presidential debates. there is the possibility of being at 15% in the polls -- if i'm in the polls -- that i could be in a presidential debate. amy: last night, donald trump was encouraging bernie sanders to run as an independent. he was

i was a republican, mainly because my family had been republicans. there was great fanfare when we came and it was very exciting. >> big, noisy. a lot of music. people running around with placards and banners. it was a mess. >> for the first time in history, they have to make room for television cameras. >> they were so brightly lit that delegates were advised that they might want to bring sunglasses to protect their eyes against the glare of the artificial lights within the convention hall. women had to wear brown lipstick, so that in black and white tv it looked natural. so had you people walking around with heavy makeup and brown lipstick, in the middle of a convention hall while sweating profusely. >> it was hotter than the dickens in philadelphia. >> the convention will now come to order. >> dewey arrives confident of his party's nomination. but there's a strong challenge from senator robert taft. senate leader, senior conservative and a president's son. >> taft and dewey were natural lifelong and enthusiastic enemies. they were profoundly diffe

someone who has more credibility among what we would consider establishment republicans or republicans who have been around the party, who have served in office. so he will probably be looking for a lawmaker but these men certainly not suggesting that they would be open to that. melissa: dan, call me jaded, okay? >> okay. melissa: but when he was saying all of these things about marco rubio, and i mean, rebecca says, maybe he wasn't thinking about them as potential running mates, i think he absolutely was. he was just thinking about beating the hell out of them first. later in politics you make amends. when those guys said they wouldn't ever be vice president, i didn't believe them either. i would think after they got booted out of the race they would think about coming back. none of this means anything, is my bottom line. are we all jaded? >> we are all jaded. there is saying in politics, some of this may be pay back the way marco rubio responded in clip. could marco rubio sounded more uninterested in that clip than being donald trump's running mate? had fact when you think about the

. >>> plus, the republican party at war with itself. >> this is a rigged system. the republican system is a rigged system. >> the trump campaign is trying to be more disciplined. but is it too late for the candidate to change the script? republican chairman reince priebus joins me. >>> also north carolina new so called bathroom law. does it discriminate against the lgbt community? i'll ask the governor, pat mccrory if reaggregates signing that law. joining me is chris matthews. kathleen parker. radio talk show host hugh hewitt and perry bacon. welcome to sunday, it is "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. donald trump got wiped out in the delegate race in yet another state yesterday. in wyoming, ted cruz won all the delegates that were up for grabs at yesterday's wyoming state convention. now, trump says it would have been a waste of time and money for him to campaign there, claiming the system is rigged and as the republican establishment is trying to take the nomination away from him.

, very popular among republicans. i don't think the tactic will work. by the way in terms of attra attracting democrats to the republican primary, democrats have a very interesting primary with bernie and hillary clinton. you won't get that traditional crossover. >> something else donald said was manufacturing jobs have been lost in wisconsin. from point of fact in 2010 to 2016, manufacturing jobs in wisconsin have increased. >> i think, you know, steve is right. certainly trump has had a big week up there with comments for wanting to throw women in jail for abortions and such. i think walker is a little vulnerable than he used to be. he attacked the university of wisconsin system by wanting to cut a quarter of a billion dollars out of your budget. i think trump, given the week he has had and down in the polls it might not be a bad thing he attacked walker. >> haven't conserve policies made wisconsin a better place economically speaking? >> they have. walker is not weak. he had a strong position, he was re-ele re-elec

republican congressman sean duffy. you had that remarkable i guess 17 minutes with donald trump earlier this week. he came on your show despite the fact that you and your fellow talk radio hosts up in wisconsin have been quite tough, conservatives on donald trump. why do you think donald trump has turned out to be such a poor fit for wisconsin according to the polls right now? >> well, i think it's the culture, and i think it's the politics of this state. we actually do, and i was trying to tell him this, we value decency and civility and rationality and reasonableness, none of which is really associated with donald trump's campaign. and i think that he's misread the culture. i think he's misread the political landscape. you know, here in wisconsin we're actually used to dealing with substantive conservative ideas, we're used to listening to people like paul ryan, watching the reforms of somebody like scott walker, so when this political music man comes into wisconsin, he's actually coming into a town where we kind of

that is not uncommon among american republican candidates. but the economic diplomacy and leverage, there has always been the effort to engage to the medically over here and then maybe a sanction, but you really don't do anything to link economic consequences. .e is a negotiator so using economic leverage to achieve political and automatic outcomes, which is hard. mark: some people look at what is a processing -- proposing, reagan tried to do this. is he not beholden to the state department? this could change on the president trump? -- under president trump? stuart: where he goes and spends time invariably they see a powerful bully pulpit. do the burden sharing, it will do a lot of attention. the question is not do you talk someone out of nato because they can't pay their bill, but how do you play a link to the national security, middle east? can you get them over 2%, which they are only three or four actually paying? there is a lot of apparent inconsistencies where he seems , hawkish. other places where he seems less so. is there a worldview

so i was like my dad, a liberal republican. for the young people here, there used to be these things. [laughter] and my dad was one of them, a liberal republican. but the thing is, both my parents agreed, that civil just a basic, fundamental thing. it was fundamentally about justice. about 11, 12, 13 years old, we were watching -- we used to have the dinner on tray tables in our tv room while we watched the news. on the tv, they would show civil rights demonstrators, and southern police, sheriff's department, returning fire hoses and dogs and billy clubs on the demonstrators. tv andwould point to the say, no jew can be for that. no jew can be for that. [applause] 1964, republicans goldwater, who, voted against the 1964 civil rights act. so my dad became a democrat. [applause] when johnson signed a bill, he famously turned to a staffer and said, we lost in the south for generations. he was wrong, i think it was for forever. [applause] but we got my dad. and, we got me. [applause] now, i have been doing this, i know some of you a

didn't exist while there were 17 republicans running for the republican nomination. it didn't really get going and it didn't get its legs under it until he was way ahead in delegates. >> so it was clear that everybody else was going to fail. >> it wasn't until people started voting. and the stop trump movement always had as a strategic pillar a need for there to be a two-man race but nobody called kasich and cruz. we still have a three-man field. there's no way to stop trump from winning the most delegates so the stop trump movement has always been a little bit of a fairy tale. >> if john kasich or ted cruz evaporated for some reason this evening and it went to a two-man race, it wouldn't make any difference in the stop trump movement. >> now, but it could have months ago. >> months ago, exactly. >> among is 16 candidates, who was good enough to play that role? apparently none of them. >> any one of them. >> well, that's the problem. >> and he always benefited -- people talked about this republican primary like it was taking place in lanes. there were never lanes, it

>> well, people in certain parts of the republican party and conservative republicans would say, yes, they should be punished. >> what about you? >> i would say it's a very serious problem and it's a problem we have to decide on. it's very -- >> but you're for banning it. >> are you going to say, well, put them in jail? >> i'm asking you. you say you want to ban it. what's that mean? >> i am against -- i am pro-life, yes. >> what is -- how do you ban abortion? how do you actually do it? >> el, you'll go back to a position they had, where people will perhaps go to illegal places -- >> yeah! >> but you have to ban it. >> the church makes their moral judgments, but you running for president of the united states will be chief executive of the united states. do you believe in punishment for abortion? yes or no? as a principle? >> the answer is that, there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah. there has to be some form. >> ten cents, ten years, what? >> that i don't know. >> why not? >> i don't know. >> you take positions on everything else. >> i do take positions on

republican campaign has mostly divide the party, 57% of republicans now are saying that this primary has been very divisive. only 39% believe that it has energized the party. >> we'll be getting more coming in shortly. anderson. >> thanks. a lot to talk about as more exit polling comes in and we learn about the shape the electorate today. bill preston, bakari sellers, sanders and clinton supporters, respectively. john king, gloria borger kayleigh mcanainny, mary katharine ham, and donna brazile. clearly, just little exit polls we've been seeing results does play well for donald trump. the idea of somebody outside the establishment. >> sure. that's what we've been seeing. >> time and time again. >> seeing time and time again in the exit polls. what's interesting what we're seeing in early exit polls is that these seem to be less conservative and less angry republicans as well. we saw angry republicans more so in the south in the early polling now less conservative in the state of new york, as you might also think. one other thing's interesting to me, we look at these early numbers, ju

donald trump cannot win 50% of republicans. then he shouldn't be the party's nominee. >> where do they go from that? let me put up one more from the associated press. would you vote for donald trump? definitely no. definitely no, won't vote for donald trump. they know it right now tonight. 63% of voters will not vote for him. would consider him 19%, definitely yes, 16%. and you have to wonder, i mean when you're heading to a convention, they're going to be -- those delegates are going to be staring at those numbers. 63% definitely won't vote for him. let's say he doesn't have the nomination locked in. why would any more delegates go in his direction. the polls are going to be better for every other republican they can think about. >> tell that to the trump people. there are going to be a lot of trump delegates there. he's going to have more than anybody else probably. he may be close to 1237 if he hasn't already achieved it and then what? i mean does the party make an argument that, sure, while donald trump couldn't get half th

, the establishment republicans. you are among them. how did it happen? how did it get to place and do it over again would you change the way it started? >> oh. i wouldn't change anything. but i will tell you this. you know, i read a paper yesterday that said that i'm the last best hope of the establishment. it made me laugh because i've never been embraced by the establishment. i'm not against them but i've never been a part of them. you deal with the cards that positive experience. my life chaz changed as a result of this experience. there's a guy who are that used to live in -- here that used to live in new york, he used to say something very interesting. it ain't over until it's over. peace, yogi berra. >> mature and pragmatist and say while they don't agree with your politics that you are the most moderate candidate in the republican party. who is running for president right now. if the republicans had fought back against the tea party a little bit. would this have been a different situation? that the party find

to defeat any republican candidate. if secretary clinton is the nominee, she'll have to make the case to the american people, not just to my supporters, but all americans that she's prepared to stand up to the billionaire class. prepared to fight for health care for all americans. prepared to pass paid family and medical leave. make sure that college is affordable for the young people in this country. that is what she has got to do. i hope, if she is the nominee, she does that well. >> would it help if she picked a vice presidential candidate from your wing of the party? >> i think the american people are tired of establishment politics and establishment economics. they're tired of a congress that gives tax breaks to people who don't need them and ignore that we have 47 million people in poverty. so i think that if secretary clint season the nominee, and we're not giving this thing up. we're going all the way to california. if she is the nominee, i would hope that she puts together the strongest progressive agenda that

now, republicans are in thermonuclear war. so it's a little bit messy, and so it's going to be a little harder for her, and maybe it's not over until june, but they are going to be united, democratic partisans right now like bernie sanders as much as they like hillary clinton. they are not going to have a problem unifying the party. >> david, go ahead. >> i think wisconsin's going to be good for bernie sanders. he's expected to win there. this is not going to be 2008 for hillary clinton where she got clobbered by double digits. this could be a single digit win. but everybody knows that bernie sanders needs a big win. and you talked about april 5th, 1960, john f. kennedy, you know, coming out of wisconsin getting some legitimacy. but think about it april 5th, 199 i 10, wisconsin -- i should say milwaukee, was the first major american city, keyword major american, to have and elect a socialist mayor. they've done it three times. so that's good news for -- >> bernie sanders. former socialist mayor -- >> i think he voted in that e