i want to go to jim cavanaugh. jim, the news that the fourth officer has died was something we already had. but now this news that the person of interest, whose picture has been out there, haste turned himself in, very important news. also, in this statement, that a suspect is also in custody. >> yeah. it's -- you know, it's still unclear. there were reports earlier of two shooters. but did that get confused? in other words, was there one shooter who was barricaded in the parking garage, which they now have in custody? and then the second man, who we don't quite know his status, who was carrying the rifle in the photograph. could be innocent open carry, or could be another shooter. or was witnesses confusing him as a second shooter? so that's not quite clear. the suspicious package that the bomb squad is going to disrupt and they'll use their robots and their disrupters and make sure we call it render it safe. and they'll take care of that. so maybe, maybe just possibly there's only one shooter and this other guy w

jim cavanaugh in charge of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. this part of the investigation really comes into your area of expertise now. jim, when i got off the air 4:00 a.m. eastern, we had every reason to believe, as i said to craig, this was a kind of urban army. certainly more than one person, certainly multiple suspects, and police described the triangulation of fire. if it is in fact one heavily armed suspect, then some of that could be, the kind of echo report of a long barrel weapon being fired, i guess. the question to you, ginn your life's expertise is where do you ginl the forensic investigation in an urban area this large? >> well, you start right at the body of the deceased shooter. and the first thing you do is you're going to photograph him, wallet and id, and that's where you're going to begin to find out who he is. and of course that's a crime scene now that's being processed as a crime scene. they've swept it clear of explosives. so we don't have all the answers they have, but one question is, is there multiple shooters like

i heard your conversation with my good friend, jim cavanaugh. when you hear an assault rifle start cranking off and hear those multiple rounds, that's something street officers don't deal with normally, they carry handguns and used to confronting knives, maybe other handguns but you get them with an assault rifle or sniper like these persons were performing, that puts police at a real disadvantage as well as civil n civilians. if this count is right with one officer dead and potentially three wounded and a number of civilians down, what we're told may be two shooters have created a tremendous amount of damage. jim cavanaugh and i are both hostage negotiators and both talked people out of situations like this even when they've been shooting in the past. i agree with jim, if law enforcement has these people corn cornered, there's a good chance they can get them to say what they want to say and get them back out. but it could be a person who called in and picked up a phone in a building. >> we have an update now and the updates are coming fast and

i want to bring in jim cavanaugh and eugene o'donnell. both, perts and analysts for us. that is a reset of what we knee and authorities thing with the caveats that brings change in an active and open investigation. your thoughts, jim, having been through so many of these live action scenarios? >> they're working back from the shooter they have to see who he is. is he a member of one of these hate groups? like the new black panther group? right after dallas, the black lives matter movement issued a condemnation of all violence, but hate groups, like the black panther party and other black extremist groups have called for mrd of all police officers. and there's a conspiracy. is he tied to one of these groups? like we talked earlier, ari, they already broke up a conspiracy of four men who were breaking into a gun shop, stole eight guns in a plot the kill officers. we don't know if they are members of a group, but they were in conspiracy to kill officers. they then had the lone wolf who was reading from the black hate groups on the web. >> we know, jim, we don't know at this

jim cavanaugh. an emotional morning. thank you very much for that. >>> all of this is going on with the president abroad at a nato summit. and we're joined by nbc's ron allen who's been covering the president's trip in warsaw. certainly took a different tactic this morning, ron, having the president address the situation in dallas before being able to address the global situation which he is addressing there at the nato summit. talk about that and the unusual circumstances here. >> well, dallas became the top of president obama's agenda when this happened in the early morning hours here in europe. the president saying that the white house offered the people of dallas, the dallas police force, every support possible. he offered his condolences to the families of the victims, and support for them, as well. he said that all the facts are still pouring in, but there was still one definite conclusion that there was no excuse for gunning down police officers. here's a bit more of what the president had to say. >> we still don'

i want to bring in jim cavanaugh. we're seeing this and this presence grow. again, this could still be very much an active situation from what we have heard, especially given we don't have confirmation whether these people or person involved is in custody. >> right, frances, and that video, it sounds like the crack of a rifle. i thought i counted at least five shots. i don't know if there is more. those are timed shots. it's not rapid pulling of the trigger. those are timed and aimed shots. so we don't have the information, but it could be -- it sounds like the crack of a rifle. it sounds like timed and aimed shots. not just rapid pulling of the trigger and what we have heard about the officers, it could be that. the sniper, aiming from some distance, which could be across the street, and then shooting them. the confrontation might be a few steps away from the officers. one officer was killed in his vehicle at 2:00 a.m. this morning, responding to a domestic call and the person ran up and shot the officer and then killed himself. the motive is not clear. he r

jim cavanaugh, if i can bring you back into this discussion. the implications of what we are seeing unfold halfway around the world, what it means for us back here in the united states. some similarities. the united states is about to enter a holiday weekend, one of the long holiday weekends, one of the busiest if not the busiest travel holiday weekend of the summer. the target in bangladesh, a restaurant, a cafe. nothing extraordinary. nothing out of the ordinary about that particular location other than perhaps that it was frequented by westerners, frequented by tourists, frequented by diplomats. but still with a presence of security. we heard from the reporters that we've been speaking to on the ground. they've told us that security as it was entering the end of ramadan, entering its holiday period, was stepped up, was beefed up. something we're seeing back here at home. how concerned are you, if you are a u.s. law enforcement official this evening, watching this unfold halfway around the world? >> well, i am concerned, and i think law enfor

jim cavanaugh, let me go back to you. obviously that would be good news if the threat either never existed or at least they don't see anything imminent or immediate. but will they stick to that parking garage, and what will the secondary search look like? >> well, yes, they'll use police canines, various canines, tactical canines assigned to tactical teams. and there's patrol canines. they'll be using dogs like that to sweep, trying to find a human. they'll be doing, you know, extra sweeps rather than just a visual sweep. bushes, any hiding places, really doing a real thorough job. you know, but it's -- if they had a lot of specific information, chris, it doesn't really make you relax if they don't find anybody right there. if there was someone on foot. because they could have gotten out of the parking garage. if it's tied in with any other specific information, then it's still an issue that they've got to deal with, because the person could be in the area. now, you know, you're sitting there, i was the assistant agent in

jim cavanaugh, if i can bring you back into this discussion. the implications of what we are seeing unfold halfway around the world, what it means for us back here in the united states. some similarities. the united states is about to enter a holiday weekend, one of the long holiday weekends, one of the busiest if not the busiest travel holiday weekend of the summer. the target in bangladesh, a restaurant, a cafe. nothing extraordinary. nothing out of the ordinary about that particular location other than perhaps that it was frequented by westerners, frequented by tourists, frequented by diplomats. but still with a presence of security. we heard from the reporters that we've been speaking to on the ground. they've told us that security as it was entering the end of ramadan, entering its holiday period, was stepped up, was beefed up. something we're seeing back here at home. how concerned are you, if you are a u.s. law enforcement official this evening, watching this unfold halfway around the world? >> well, i am concerned, and i think law enfor

jim cavanaugh, i know you were following this. what can you tell us about how the authorities in bangladesh handled this attack? >> well, you know, they used a rapid action battalion, their version of our s.w.a.t. team domestically here, our special operations forces. you know, they had mixed results. but it was a very difficult situation. any team who would be handed this suicide, homicide, it's daunting, challenging. they can pull the trigger. in this case they could hack people to death. they might have hacked these patrons to death early on in the siege. they might not have been hacked later. we don't know when a lot of this killing happened. but they were able to rescue 13 people. the facts around that are were they hiding somewhere? were they just escaping the chaos? were they hide anything a back room when the security forces moved in? the fact that anyone could get out alive is good. it's a horrible case. the bad part is the police intelligence didn't pick up on the cell. that's compromised of at least seven people here. c

. >>> i want to bring in jim cavanaugh. jim, take us inside law enforcement as they're thinking about today, as they're thinking about celebrations tonight. what would they be most concerned about and what's the strategy? >> well, the one strategy is the big presence like you're seeing around the big cities and the fireworks displays. a lot of cops, a lot of presence, very visible. so they can stop something quick in its tracks, kate. you don't think about gar land, texas, when the two shooters showed up there, they were ready, prepared, and ready to stop them. so more cops matter. and more eyes matter, more coordination matters, a strong force layered behind with intelligence and command. >> for those of us headed out to big celebrations tonight, what you would call a soft target. what precautions do we take? >> well, here's the thing. you have to have a mindset of being alert. individually and with your small group as you go out. agree before you go, you're going to be alert. set up your own personal command post with som

jim cavanaugh, thanks so much. joining me here on set now, nbc's foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin. you had been speaking with a doctor on the ground who treated many of the patients. what's the latest? >> the latest is what we have been reporting throughout the night. there hasn't been any substantial changes on the ground. for the past several hours, the scene at the hospital has been somewhat calm. i mean there isn't a sudden influx of patients, a lot of casualties, so that number of people remains the same. the last i checked with them it was at 26 wounded, many of them security personnel and at least two dead. two police officers dead. that was at that one hospital. there may be other hospitals and clinics. >> our producer had said four police officers dead. >> exactly. i believe that to still be the case in the last couple hours i checked in with hospital officials. >> as i said to jim, we are in the seventh hour. we are nearing daylight here. any indications that we are near an ending to this? >> this is

. >> i want to bring in jim cavanaugh. i wanted to ask you specifically about the references pete has made. he said that law enforcement is looking into possible links to a sovereign citizens group, and we've also heard from cal perry earlier that some of the online footprint of the support, it's interesting, it's considerable. there's a lot of it. pete described some of it as just plain odd. but in terms of trying to find affiliations or a motive or associations here, if there is a sovereign citizen link here, what would be the implications there in terms of him as a threat to law enforcement? >> right, rachel. sovereign citizen movement is made up of people who don't believe that government has any authority over them at all. it basically was rooted in white hate. it came from white hate, but african americans do get involved in the sovereign citizen movement as well, but it's mostly white. they're anti-tax, anti-government. they believe the government has no authority over them. they believe when the currency was change

jim cavanaugh, thank you very much. as jim mentioned, he was with us into the wee hours of this morning as part of our coverage, when we were sorting out exactly what it was we were seeing here before our very eyes. another quick break. we are watching these two events. we are waiting for the live news conference with the governor of texas. we are waiting for hillary clinton to address that ame convention in philadelphia. e of everything online. and so many businesses rely on the united states postal service to get it there. that's why we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. the united states postal service. priority: you for hillary, it's always been about kids. it's in the quiet moments when you see why she does this. and when millions couldn't get health care, this first lady worked with republicans and democrats to fix it. creating the children's health insurance program, so that every child gets the health care that child deserves to have. now eight million kids are covered. that

and they got him stopped. >> jim cavanaugh, thanks. i don't know how complete this could be, i don't want to spread false hope, but the state department is saying there are no americans among the dead. we grieve for the loss of life no matter who the victims are tonight. but let's continue to hope that is correct, attributable to a state department spokesman. i'm reading this. we have no information at this time u.s. citizens were injured or killed in the attack in nice. we are in contact with local authorities seeking more information. so it is early yet. brian is with us as well, a veteran of the national security council of the state department, of the pentagon, has been studying this kind of thing for many, many years. brian, what sticks out to you right now? >> well, the type of attack here is something that we have seen in other countries, including in israel. when i saw this, i thought about some of my friends in jerusalem, when they were experiencing similar types of attacks and a wave of these attacks, how a truck or vehicle w

thank you, jim cavanaugh. when we come back, much more about what we can expect in cleveland as donald trump is nominated by the republican party. i'm going to bring the history of some of the greet speeches from the convention. live from cleveland. as i said, back after this. 27% >>> i accept your nomination for the presidency of the united states. >> i accept your nomination for president. >> i proudly accept your nomination. >> welcome back to hardball. the conventions by the very nature of the world are intended to bring people together, but sometimes the most unforgettable words spoken at a convention have had the opposite effect. in 1964, barry goldwater needed the broadness appeal to moderate republicans and independents, but he chose defiance instead. >> i would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. and let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. >> that ripped the scab off. in 1998, george herbert walker bush faced the challenge of convincin

jim cavanaugh is standing by. looking at just the parking structure alone, this is a massive building. to get the people out safely and to know you are allowing out the citizen who is have nothing to do with this and they have not been infiltrated or individuals have not blended in seems to be a daunting task on itself. >> right. they are always trying to locate the shooter. when they don't have the shooters located, that's the biggest problem for them. when you talk about maybe someone escaped in the underground subway or metro system, it also makes them put the whole city on alert. if you can stop the instant shooting, it becomes more live for the munich police as they cannot locate the shooter or shooters. now that doesn't mean they are not still in the mall. not still hidden and when they come in. could be holding some people. there could be any number of scenarios as well. but the task of the supplies to find the people that they spread out but i would also point out even when there's multiple attackers, thin

you know, shot them and then other deputies shot the assailant. >> jim cavanaugh again. i'm sure we'll be checking back in with you. we're still learning details. just got the basics from the sheriff in berrien county. two bailiffs shot and killed. the suspect also shot and killed. that's a total of three dead. this all happening in the last 90 minutes in berrie county, michigan. st. joseph the county seat at the courthouse. we'll continue to learn more and continue to followis and bring you up to date on everything we learn as we learn it. in the meantime, going to turn back now to politics. >>> donald trump this afternoon making his first public comments in the wake of the dallas shooting. he did that this afternoon at a rally in virginia beach. and he did it by dusting off a slogan that was once used by richard nixon. >> we must maintain law and order at the highest level or we will cease to have a country. 100%. we will cease to have a country. i am the law and order candidate. >> law and order, if you have a long political memory, that's the term richard nixon used.

one is jim cavanaugh, a former hostage negotiator. in simple terms, these individuals, who as we understand it, perhaps eight or known of them holed up in a western-type bakery with reports there may be as many as 60 hostaging there -- what do these individuals want? how challenging is this negotiation for people who play the role that you do, which is trying to end the violence? >> well, it's extremely challenging, peter. i mean to build on what malcolm fans was saying, you have seven to nine conspirators who are well armed, come in and planned an attack in an international area you know, neerp the embassies. you know, there is a purpose. they are well planned. why would they want to take hostages? they want to achieve what all terrorists want. that is theater. it gives them time. they want time, they wasn't attention. they want to talk about their grievances with the world. the negotiatorsl have a huge task. people are wrong to say that you can't negotiate with terrorists. you can. the outcome is usually not very good but you can bu

jim cavanaugh, are you still with us? how do we go about this knowing this is an officer with the baton rouge police department and then you also have baton rouge sheriff's deputies and offices working this as well and how do they go about dealing with this from here on? >> right. our report, francis, is that it is baton rouge police department. there is the sheriff's office and state police and those are some of the units involved in the area. the first step is who did the shooting and they have shot and apprehended the suspect. that is when the investigation begins, who is he, did he act alone and did he have help from conspirators and they will take his gun and trace his i.d. and they will run that down and who is this guy and why is he acting this way and is he a person who has a mental disability, is he a person with a criminal record seeking revenge, is he a person trying to act on the political climate of the moment? it takes a -- a twisted mind to say i'm going to go out here and just murder two polices or to atte

. >> i want to bring in jim cavanaugh to the conversation. jim is experienced with law enforcement and the atf. i want to ask you specifically about these references that pete has made. he says law enforcement is looking into possible links with the sovereign citizen movement. we've heard from pete and gabe earlier, that the, excuse me, from kyle perry earlier, that some of the online footprint of this suspect, it's considerable, there's a lot of it. pete described some of it as just plain odd, but, in terms of trying to find affiliations, trying to find any ideological through line that might explain a motive or associations here, if there is a sovereign citizen link here, what would you expect that to look like? in terms of this guy's online presence. and what would be the implications there in terms of him as a threat to law enforcement? >> right, rachel, well, sovereign citizen movement is made up of people who don't believe that government at any level has any authority over them at all. it can take you down a maze of ideas. it basically

. >> i want to bring jim cavanaugh to the conversation. he is long experienced in federal law enforcement, including with the atf. i wanted to ask about the references pete has made. they were looking into links of the sovereign citizen movement. we have heard from pete and gabe earlier that the -- excuse me, from cal earlier that the online footpri footprint, it's interesting it's considerable. there is a lot of it. pete described it as just plain odd, but in terms to trying to find affiliations or through line that might explain a motive, is if there is a link here, what would you expect that to look like in term of this guy's online presence and what would be the implications in terms of him being a threat to law enforcement? >> it's made up of people that don't believe that government at any level has any authority over them at all. it can take you down a maze of ideas. it was basically rooted in white hate, sort of came from white hate. but african-americans do get involved in the sovereign citizen movement as well. but it's mostly wh

jim cavanaugh, formerly special agent in charge, atf, jim, you were talking earlier and perhaps for our later audience's benefit, talk about the time you spent in and around dallas and your experience and exposure to both the dallas transit cops and dallas p.d. >> yeah, right. well i was the assistant special agent in charge of the atf division in dallas. it's right there downtown blocks away from the shooting there. we worked, of course, extensively with dallas p.d. we had a lot of dallas p.d. officers on our task forces, and they worked the violent crime in the city with us. you know, we were trying to help them. of course they were a larger force than we were. but we targeted, you know, gun violence. that was atf's mission. of course, the bombs. we'd work with them constantly. we knew their command staffs. we met with them all the time. they're just one of the top police forces in the wo

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over to law enforcement analyst, special agent in charge, jim cavanaugh who remains with us as well. jim, we just heard from a couple of guests maybe 15 minutes ago. a couple of people on the ground in bangladesh. one on the ground and one in nearby pack telling us that police have surrounded the place but they don't appear, at least to our knowledge, to have engaged with the hostage takers. they put a ring around it, cordon around it, but they are not engaging. is that smart at this hour, six hours in, to wait them out? >> well, engaging you mean not assaulting. >> not militarily. >> so they may be engaged verbally, kate, with them, or attempting to verbally engage with them. and also the actors may even be calling the local media and talking to the local media or talk to go someone on the outside. remember, the mumbai attacks where there was 10 actors over four days. they were being directed from pakistan by taibi over the cell phone. we don't know quite what's happening here. they may be communicating with the police on the perimeter. they could be calling the media. they could be

. >>> let's bring in msnbc law enforcement analyst jim cavanaugh, retired special agent in charge and also former hostage negotiator. i'm curious about this. are police forces trained to use robots to deliver lethal force? >> no, it's very unusual to deliver lethal force, especially with an explosive on a robot. now, robots are capable of mounting a shotgun. that's usually used to disrupt a bomb or suspicious package. that was the main use. bomb squads have these and they have various disrupters, claws, tools, fix a shotgun, shoot a package. that's the main use. s.w.a.t. teams have smaller robots and we use those on our tactical teams that are much smaller, a few inches across with treads, wheels. used for reconnaissance. small tactical robots and tools for reconnaissance. but these larger robots that we've used these to negotiate with barricaded suspects or go in a hallway and see if someone is in there if we just needed a larger application. we've negotiated with people from the camera and the video on the end of the robot while you're sitting at the command desk you can actually wa

jim cavanaugh, formerly special agent in charge, atf, jim, you were talking earlier and perhaps for our later audience's benefit, talk about the time you spent in and around dallas and your experience and exposure to both the dallas transit cops and dallas p.d. >> yeah, right. well i was the assistant special agent in charge of the atf division in dallas. it's right there downtown blocks away from the shooting there. we worked, of course, extensively with dallas p.d. we had a lot of dallas p.d. officers on our task forces, and they worked the violent crime in the city with us. you know, we were trying to help them. of course they were a larger force than we were. but we targeted, you know, gun violence. that was atf's mission. of course, the bombs. we'd work with them constantly. we knew their command staffs. we met with them all the time. they're just one of the top police forces in the world. their tactical team, we had a special relation with them. our -- atf's special response team, which is a s.w.a.t. team, one of our teams is based in dallas. they work regionally, and they have a

jim cavanaugh last night was talking about the various markings we should look for. patrol markings on the uniforms of the dallas police. what has been germane since the first word of these shootings was the stance of police during this peaceful protest last night. they were not outfitted in riot gear. they were not outfitted in the big bulky kevlar helmets and visible automatic weapons. they were in their summer service uniforms. mostly short sleeves. some of the officers were wearing shorts for a hot night in dallas, texas. especially those officers meant to be part of the community outreach. they had been in on the planning of the peaceful protest last night. that's what was so, so tragic. they were in and among the crowd as has been mentioned many times dallas pd was sending out pictures on the twitter account showing officers with the public getting along, intermingling and then the shots rang out and we have seen the video of people scattering. it is just past the top of the noon hour here on the east coast. this is the floor of the house of representatives. le

and as jim cavanaugh pointed out and correctly points out each time we come on the air to cover this, first reports are often wrong. first reports often have multiple gunmen, multiple locations of gunfire. it could turn out to be correct. we just don't know as of yet. matt bradley is in our london bureau sampling all he can from there. matt? >> thanks, brian. it's a very fluid situation. we have seen this constant reiteration of these outbreaks of violence in europe and elsewhere. we know now from the police speaking to local german media is they believe there are now three people who have died. they have no real word on injuries, though it's thought there are multiple injuries. more than one at least. and they don't know where the shooters are. they were just tweeting, the police, that they don't know where the shooters are at this moment. they are trying to canvas the area and advising residents to shelter in place and try to stay off the streets in order to remain safe. they have shut down the local transportation, the underground that serves that shopping mall. they have also trie

. >> jim cavanaugh, we also appreciate your advice and council. we're going to take a break. when we come back, we're going to check in with cal perry on what he is learning and seeing from social media, and former cia director jim woolsey has joined us in our new york studios, that and more when our live coverage continues. think fixing your windshield is a big hassle? not with safelite. this family needed their windshield replaced, but they're daughters heart was set on going to the zoo. so we said if you need safelite to come to the zoo we'll come to the zoo! only safelite can fix your windshield anywhere in the us. with our exclusive mobileglassshops. and our one of a kind trueseal technology, for a reliable bond. service that fits your schedule. that's another safelite advantage. ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ 80% of recurrent ischemic, strokes could be prevented. and i'm doing all i can to help prevent another one. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps in helping prevent another stroke. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regim

jim cavanaugh is with a us and has been with us the last couple of hours. jim, the neighbor we were speaking to was witness the different type of vehicles that are being brought into this spot. as i'm looking at it, and the map of this area, again, it's right up against the lake. and positioned in such a way where the street is a dead-end, and the restaurant is pretty isolated in terms of the fact that it is set apart, and alone. >> i think carefully niece terrorists these actors have picked this spot carefully for effect, for their cause, whatever that may be, whether it turns out to be al qaeda or isis or some other group. they have carefully picked this spot to get the international attention, the theater they want. and to be a able to draw this out. not to be so quick to have it end. part of the reason why they want to take hostages is to draw that out. of course as you've been reporting, who are the hostages? this is critical because in other sieges they separate the people by nationality, by religion, by passports, sometimes women and children are rel

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joining me now, jim cavanaugh, retired atf special agent in charge. maybe you can walk me through what kind of things officials are doing right now, in the aftermath of this to try to make sure that they have everyone who is involved. >> right, chris. well, you know, the basic questions come up right away. who is the guy, the shooter that they know is dead? you know, i like to -- i'll start simple in these cases. grab a wallet, grab the phone, you find out who he is. is it his truck, is it rented? is it stolen? track that back, like the truck was tracked back in the oklahoma city bombing to the rental place. and are there other confederates with him, co-conspirators? in the truck, we don't have all the facts yet. or somebody nearby that could have been on the phone with him, in his ear, directing him. you made a great point, how far did the truck go? i think laura said two cla kilometers. so did this truck travel a mile and a half mowing down pedestrians? i was struck by this when i heard about it and started talking about it, about the president of f

jif cavanaugh, i believe on the line. jim, here's what i want you to give me a perspective of. i'm having a hard time determining whether this feels like a tense situation because of the context of what has happened in dallas. and maybe this is the kind of thing that happens fairly routinely that things are called in. they're checked out and there's nothing there. or whether this amount of activity suggests it's more than just precautionary. >> well, i think it is because of the attack. of course, the murder of the five officers, chris. but also, remember that it wasn't about a year and a half ago when dallas police headquarters was attacked itself by a man in an armored vehicle, who planted some pipe bombs and shot at headquarters. on the heels of this most recent attack, they can't take anything for granted. because a copycat, or somebody with some other motive who wants to get involved in a national event could take this on. and they have to have more than just a threat. they've got to have more than just a threat. they must have a little bit of something else. and so they'r

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