chaos and given us the politics we see today. jonathan is the author of the cover story in this month's "the atlantic." how american politics went insane and he joins us now. good to see you, sir. >> great to be here, chuck, thank you. >> probably the best summation of trying to explain how did we get here? the number one question all of us get. which is how did we end up with trump and clinton and how did we end up with this politics? i want to start with one excerpt here. trump, sanders and ted cruz have in common that they are political sociopaths, meaning not that they are crazy, but they don't care what other politicians think about their behavior and they don't need to care. explain what you meant by this. >> chuck, politics is inherently a team sport. you have to get leaders who have those to follow and create thousands of interest groups and activists and other politicians and that takes people who can build personal networks. who can have private conversations. who can have strong party structures. that requires seniority systems on capitol hill. it requires money. you'
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