want us to pass a trillion dollars in bailout on two pages of paper from hank paulson, we have no idea what's in there? fine. >> that will never happen. >> because we're freaked out, right? i think if trump were president in a time where there was a true crisis, i think you could do really systemic damage to american democratic institutions, to the legitimacy of those institutions. >> because he would seize power or overreact to the crisis? >> either. that's what we don't know, the bolt from the blue. i think that's one where sort of media independence could really take a hit we couldn't come back to, where the judiciary could become politicized in the sorts of ways you presently see in turkey. that could never happen on a day-to-day basis, that would not happen under president trump in a normal environment. but take trump and put 9/11 on top of that or massive cyber attack that brings down the u.s. markets, things that are now thinkable in a way that a year ago were not thinkable, and i actually worry about the future of american supremacy, super power status, democracy, you name it.