>>> it is wednesday, october 5th. mike pence versus tim kaine in their first and only face-off. and it was a fiery vice presidential debate where nothing was left unsaid. >> good morning to you. you're watching an early edition of "fox & friends first" on this wednesday morning. nice to have you back with us. >> good to be back. >> and everyone at home as well. >> thank you for starting your day with us. it is an early one on the east coast. both mike pence and tim kaine pushing policies and playing defen defense. >> we trust hillary clinton as commander in chief but the thought of donald trump as commander in chief scares us to death. >> donald trump is committed to restoring the borders of the nation. >> on the economy, there is a fundamental choice for the electorate. do you want a you're hired president in hillary clinton or you're fired president in donald trump? i don't think that's such a hard choice. >> under the past administration that hillary clinton was apart, we almost doubled the national debt. hillary clinton and tim kaine want to build on obama care. i come from a st

battles. as we've seen throughout the next hour, tim kaine was on the offensive. his battle plan was to go in to promote hillary clinton. but more importantly, to try to take a notch out of donald trump. in many ways, while mr. mike pence was on the defensive and very calm about it. and oftentimes, christine, he didn't answer the questions or come to a rushing defense of donald trump. >> mark preston, stick around. john phillips, eugene scott, cnn politics reporter. brian stelter, cnn media reporter and host of "reliable resources." we we just heard from mark preston. i want to get some sound to illustrate what mark was talking about. tim kaine almost sacrificed himself for hillary clinton. he didn't try to win for him. he tried to lose the debate for donald trump. listen to the prepared lines that tim kaine came out firing against mike pence but really against donald trump. >> and donald trump supremacist. your hired president in hillary clinton, or do you want in the fired president in donald trump. >> donald trump can't start a war with miss universe. >> he's got supporters. if yo

tim kaine. about 67 said pence exceeded expectations. 29% did say it more likely to back trump. only 18% for clinton. our poll excuse more democratic than average americans. >> it's a question because pence won. the polls are perfect. so style is always at a premium in a debate. but substance is often what comes back to haunt it. let's go to cnn's executive editor mark presleying, manu raju and editor-in-chief of the daily beast jackie kessenich. if you had to pick a moment of the night, and it's not easy, because these two were more professional, if you had to pick something, what do you think the headline was? >> i think what mike pence had to do in this debate is stop the bleeding and that's exactly what he did. that's exactly where we were heading into the debate. donald trump's numbers were sliding. he had a really terrible week. mike pence had to articulate a vision for this ticket something that donald trump has not been able to do or in the first debate. and really take the fight to hillary clinton. that's exactly what he did. he did not engage in those fights, tit for

line. >> donald trump wants us to trust him? are you kidding me? >> senator tim kaine and governor mike pence battling for the nation's second highest office and making their case for their campaigns. >> when donald trump becomes the next president of the united states of america, the change will be huge. >> hillary is ready. she's ready to fight. and she is ready to lead. >> this is cnn's coverage of kaine versus pence. >> trump represents the same rigged system that he claims he's going to change. >> two choices. one state. and america's future up for debate. >>> the vice presidential nominees are getting ready to appear on this stage in a debate that may be all about the candidates who are not here tonight, donald trump and hillary clinton. coming live from the campus of longwood university in farmvillevirginia. welcome to all. i'm erin burnett with a special edition of "outfront" tonight on this debate night in america. tonight tim kaine and mike pence are trying to pass a crucial test. they want to prove they can handle the most preponderance job of any vice president, of cour

the one and only vice presidential debate. mike pence and tim kaine will face-off in a 90 minute hoedown moderated by cbs news. few are expecting the same riotous chaos we got between hillary clinton and donald trump. but this debate is sure to feature plenty of jousting pence as theyand defend the honor of their respective nominees. mark: this campus attracts a pretty raucous crowd. there are a lot of cheering protesters round both for and cleansed clinton -- for and against clinton, for and against trump. pleased to vice presidential nominees are mild-mannered. this is their moment in the sun. they will not be talked much about after tonight. this is an opportunity for two g about the ideas they are putting forward and their negative critiques of the other side. we might get clarity about policy and critique that does not come through often when clinton and trump are front and center. john: it is interesting because tim kaine and hillary clinton basically agree on everything, mike pence and donald trump do not. it is a substantive debate. both of these guys have been in politic

way that she did, they'd be court martialed. tim kaine said that's absolutely false. one of them is correct. i believe he, mike pence, is correct. i used to have those clearances. leave it on your desk, you'd be disciplined. take it home, you'd be fired. i hope all the polite at this facts -- >> if politifacts would be correct. one human being has been prosecuted under the statute. one. it was for espy owe naming. i thought tim kaine was correct. the fbi investigated this. what hugh said is true but true in the opposite way that you meant it is i think mike pence did a good job of defending the mike pence brand but i think he maed headlines that actually could wind up resounding to the side of kaine. he said that the clinton foundation spends 90% of the money not on the charity work. it's the opposite. he said the trump foundation spends the overwhelming majority of the money it takes in on charity. there is no proof of that whatsoever. i think that might come back to haunt them. on the tax return issue, i thought tim kaine had one of the better moments when he said you had to show

tim kaine decided to make this strategy, his debate strategy, to talk about donald trump and things that donald trump has said and done, and over and over governor pence refused or declined to dervfend the things that kaine, tim kaine, quite accurately said for the most part donald trump had said or done. on the stage you have to give it to governor pence. i wonder what the media coverage is going to be like over the next day or two as people go over and over and the people in the media, things that tim kaine said, donald trump said he said, when he did for the most part, and mike pence declined to defend him. so, i think the night goes to pence, but i don't know about the week. wolf? >> all right, jake. dan what w dana what was your catakeaway? >> mike pence tried to avoid over, and over again, not taking the bait, which made him kind of the yin to donald trump's yang. mike pence prepared enormously and that came across. he stayed calm and he refused what tim kaine was trying to get him to do. he looked into the camera to try to connect with people at home, and so the idea though i

] >> ifill: that does wrap up the debate between tim kaine and mike pence, joining me here in our pbs news our studio are mark shields, amy walter of the "cook political report." and "washington post" columnist michael gerson. to all three of you we're going to continue to watch mr. pence, governor pence and senator kaine on the stage as they greet their family. mark shields, this was a debate with a lot of issue questions. what did you think? >> i thought that the republicans in both weeks if there were spins of 20 minutes did well. untort natural ly 90 minute marathons. tim kaine came out captivated. and a little hyper. as it went on he got stronger, more measured and put -- dominated the debate in terms of putting mike pence whose tone throughout i thought was excellent. but put him on defensive, i don't believe you'll defend donald trump and then everything he said about donald trump was true. and he was right. mike pence did not defend him. he made the best case he could. i thought pence made good -- he was put in defensive trying to -- which he refused to do. >> woodruff: amy walter

] [indiscernible conversation] graphics after the vice presidential debate between senator tim kaine and governor mike hence, members of the clinton instrument campaign spoke to reporters. >> a that is why tim kaine won mike pence lost. he refused to defend donald trump on his racist sexist , remarks and refused to defend them on any number of thing. so, you know, to win this debate mike pence had to stand up for theld trump, had to defend things he has said over the last week and he had to change the dynamics of this race and he did not do that. >> what is the strategy, you think that he came into hot on the debate? is that the senator that she picked and you all know and like? >> absolutely. he stood up for the ticket and the platform. he defended secretary clinton's record against relentless attacks from mike pence. that's what they said they would do. what you saw mike pence do is ither in the face of any question or criticism of the things that donald trump has said. not takingindling or the bait. it withering or was it bait?ot taking the >> he just wouldn't stand up for hisfor. when confron

daily show thank you so much for tuning in. i'm trevor noah live. 20 minutes ago tim kaine and mike pence left their chairs of the vice presidential debate which was held in a shameless pandering millennials. number 18 million people did not watch the debates. [laughter] the first time a tv show has gotten negative ratings. but if there was a deferralship than the presidential debate that's because no one knew the winners. this is true, hours before the debate, hours before the debate the gop released afternoon announcement on their website that mike pence already won. now they've since taken the pain down but before they did we found another page that no one else did and it's the one that the gop was supposed to only post on november 9th where they never supported donald trump and they somehow deserve credit for making him news. it's like we weren't there. [cheers and applause] we weren't part of that whole thing. that's why we went with him. but the hillary trud debate was high school wrestling. it was real but not flashing. mike pence and tim kaine prepared for this between donal

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. good night. [applause] >> that and for 90 minutes of andte between tim kaine mike pence, you can see them shaking hands. they do not know each other, this is the first time they have spent face-to-face. you can see their family coming on stage. john heilemann and mark halperin coming up. a spirited conversation between the two men who would like to be vice president. people will have a lot of opinions about what happened during this 90 minutes. it is pretty clear from my gazing at sources during the debate and social media, mike pence did not lose this debate, according to a lot of people he will have won it. -- republicansay can say they won the second debate. i would flip the coin around and say a lot of democrats would it knowledge that on questions of performance and style, pence was the better debater here tonight. tim kaine seemed over prepared, over amped, he interrupted a great deal, interrupted the moderator a fair amount, especially early in the debate. he was abrasive at times. i think he will get criticism from that, even from his allies on the left. the democrats will li

clinton would know a lot about an insult-driven campaign. >> reporter: tim kaine repeatedly putting mike pence on the defensive, using donald trump's own words. >> he's called women's slobs, pigs, disgusting. he went after john mccain a p.o.w. and said he wasn't a hero. >> reporter: words pence didn't directly defend. >> when donald trump says women should be punished or mexicans are rapists and criminals or john mccain is not a hero, he is showing you who he is. >> senator, you whipped out that mexican thing, again. look -- >> can you defend it? >> there are criminal aliens in this country, tim. >> reporter: instead, trying to take a similar tact against hillary clinton. >> he still wouldn't have a fraction of the insults that hillary clinton level when she said that half of our supporters were a basket of deplorables. >> reporter: trump's running mate at times flat out denying statements that the billionaire has made in the past. >> donald trump and mike pence have said he's a great leader. donald trump has business. >> i respect putin. he's a strong leader. >> donald trump's claim tha

united states. democrat, tim kaine. republican mike pence. they will square off as hillary clinton regains momentum and donald trump fends off questions about his taxes. voters are evenly split over which vice presidential candidate will do a better job in tonight's debate's in our brand new poll, 38% expect kaine to come out on top. 38% also say pence will come out on top. of course, you can see the debate right here on cnn. it starts 9:00 p.m. eastern. scheduled to last 90 minutes with no commercials. it will consist of nine segments each, ten minutes long after a coin toss, tim kaine goes first. each segment will open with a question and the candidates will have two minutes for their initial response. the presidential candidates and their surrogates fanned out across the campaign trail today. hillary clinton and daughter chelsea took part in the a town hall in pennsylvania. bill clinton rallied supporters in athens, ohio. and comparing in charlotte, north carolina and donald trump took part in an energy roundtable in denver. bring in our senior washington correspondent jeff zele

, virginia, good night. >> that's it. tim kaine and mike pence, they're debate. they're shaking hands. they've been called the nice guys on the respective tickets, but tonight it wasn't mr. nice guy all the time. governor pence and senator kaine going after each other, talking over each other trying to defend their respective running mates. certainly that came through. jake, this was a lot more heated than a lot of us expected. but do you think either of these guys really got anywhere? >> three thoughts, wolf. first of all, stylistically, i think it's hard to conclude anything other than the fact that the governor pence is more polished. he is more accomplished a debater. senator kaine interrupted a lot more. and i think you have to give just on style, not on substance, to governor pence. second of all, this is a change election. what governor pence was discussing was change, and senator kaine was in the position of having to defend terrorism strategy, having to defend economic hardship, and i think that put senator kaine in a more awkward position. so, again, when it came to the broa

two guys, mike both game tim kaine, convention speeches that were not particularly memorable. both were seen by the elites in what youregardless of think of their politics, as ready to be president. i do not think anyone is tuning in to see if there is a major gap, or anything that undermines competence to see that they are ready. it is more about how they might affect the race overall. john: the major thing that is true, is that you're there is a ofrogate for the nominee your party. let's break it down in terms of individual candidates. what does mike pence have to do to win? donald trump's running mate, mike pence has dealt with questions about trump's controversial answers and positions. 30,000 people, he needs to stop the bleeding on the republican side. whereds to come out here the storyline is, republicans have stopped going backwards, they have forward momentum. john: it is fair to say the trump campaign is in a full-blown crisis after the worst week he has had. right on the edge of catching up to hillary clinton, but it has all been that ever since the debate. if you talk t

. how can he defend himself against those attacks in the debate against tim kaine? mike pence has been prepping for this debate since he got the vice presidential nod from donald trump. he's been doing this in a way donald trump has, frankly, not. they are two different politician simps you can see how they're preparing for their respective debates. he's been doing formal debate issues and informal debate prep for months preparing for tonight. donald trump has not done that. he's been more of a shoot-from-the-hip style candidate. tonight donald trump is not going to be at the debate. he'll be here in arizona in just a little while, prescott, arizona. it's an area where he's hoping to turn out more of his base. this county we're in right now is about 90% white, give or take a few percentage points. it's also predominantly made up of those without a college degree and those who made less than the national average. these are folks that historically have gone for donald trump, they're the ones we hear about in polling. it's not necessarily the folks he needs to turn out to add to his

only vice presidential debate gets under way in just hours. senator tim kaine and governor mike pence are ready to face off in virginia. that's where we find cnn's sunlen serfaty. she's live with a preview. >> reporter: good morning. both candidates really seem to be taking a much more disciplined, much more consistent approach as they prepare for this debate. that's certainly notable for mike pence because he's preparing in a much different way than his own running mate, donald trump. engaging in more traditional debate prep. we know both candidates, mike pence and tim kaine, are running through these full-fledged mock debates, practicing with their aides and using stand-ins to play their opponent. certainly for team pence, first and foremost, top on their mind going into tonight is that they know that they're going to get questions and likely have to address the continued fallout over donald trump's tax returns. now, meantime, tim kaine certainly trying to cash in on homefield advantage, this being hometown of the former virginia governor, where aides say he'll likely be trying to d

things we've been talking about is whether or not tim kaine had a different more specific base audience in mind than the over all tens of millions of people that watch this thing. how do you think would you judge his performance specifically tonight which seems like there is a little divid in the room here as to how he did? yeah. it's interesting, rachel. i, too, was extremely distracted by the cross talking. i thought it made it very difficult to listen to and understand what they were doing and tim kaine is the more aggressive interrupter and cross talker. i don't think that helped him. he was firing so many attacks, so rapid fire and so broad at mike pence that he was sort of losing the point. i came into this debate thinking that tim kaine is the guy they put on the ticket to solve their white man problem. that can't be done. they won't be well with white voters. but then the is you bash an voter. that wasn't his audience. clearly tim kaine came in with one mission only. fire off as many sounds as he could and defend donald trump. in that sense if that was his goal, he was

tim kaine will outshine their running mates. each has a very important job to do. we'll talk about it tonight. let's check in first with sarah murray. just now, what was his message? >> reporter: well, that's right. it seems like donald trump wanted to get a couple more digs in himself before his vp takes over. he went after hillary clinton saying if she has a problem with the way i followed the tax laws, she should have changed them. he took a shot over bill clinton over his comments about obamacare. but he did manage to squeeze in some well wishes for his running mate who will take the stage here shortly take. listen to what he had to say. >> i want to send our best wishes to our great governor mike pence as he prepares for his debate tonight. great guy. the debate will be a contrast between our campaign of big ideas and bold solutions for tomorrow, versus the small and petty clinton campaign that is totally stuck in the past. >> so you see there, even though it won't be the two at the top of the ticket on the debate stage, it is clear and at least a battle between vision donald tru

doubled the national debt. and the war on the administration, hillary clinton and tim kaine want more of the same. >> terrorist threat decreased in some ways because bin laden is dead. the terrorist threat is decreased in some ways because an iranian nuclear weapon program has been stopped. the terrorist threat to united states troops has been decreased in ways because there are only 15,000 but other parts of the world are challenging. >> after traveling millions of miles after being the architect of the foreign policy of this administration, america is less safe today than it was the day ta barack obama became president of the united states. it's inarguable. >> we have a big show lined up for you tonight. kelly ann conway is here, so is charles krauthammer's key take aways and more. we begin with chris stire walt. >> they did their job, to not make news. i thought tim kaine was overmodulated and couldn't settle down. they did their jobs. >> according to howie on the subject of interruptee, here is a nafr of that. >> you both have said vladimir putin -- >> he's employed tens of thousa

debate, members of the campaigns spoke to reporters. crimes and that is why tim kaine one this debate. -- defend himnd on his racist, sexist remarks and refused to defend him on any number of other things so to mike pence i do stand up for donald trump, defend the things he has done and said over the last week and he had to change the dynamics of this race and he did not do that. >> what is the strategy? >> do you think senator kaine came in too hot? was that the senator kaine she picked and you all know you like? >> absolutely. first of all, he stood up for their platform. he defended secretary clinton's record against relentless attacks from mike hence, that is what they said they would do. the ticket came out whole. what you saw mike pence do was with her in the face of any events or criticism of the things donald trump has done. >> was at weathering or not taking the debate -- debate? >> he would not stand up when he was confronted about whether he could defend his racist comments about a mexican judge, when he was asked about what donald trump said about women. in particular, whe

ahead this tuesday, tim kaine and mike pence take center stage. what to watch for in tonight's vice presidential debate. >> ifill: and, from the classroom to the campaign trail: why oklahoma teachers are running for political office to turn the state's failing education system around. >> a lot of legislators feel like because they went to school, they are education experts. well i've been to a thunder game, but i can't play basketball. there's a difference. you have to bring the subject matter experts to the table. >> woodruff: all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> lincoln financial-- committed to helping you take charge of your financial future. >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions: >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: reports are just beginning to trickle in tonight, but already it's clear, hurricane "matthew" has sent long-suffering haiti even deeper into misery. ther

) >> james: adam, you posted a picture, here, of you with the democratic v.p. candidate, tim kaine. how was it? how was it meeting him? >> it was, um, real-- >> james: you look photoshopped in that picture. >> i was going to say the same thing. no. >> james: but i believe it's true. >> it's 100% true. that's me and my cousin-- >> why are you more well lit than everybody? >> because my head was actually blocking the entire key light. >> james: how was it? >> it was awesome. he's the greatest, most, like, genuinma and just from talking with him a little bit, you get the sense that he's in it for the right reasons and he really believes that growing an economy that works for everybody, and women's health, are issues that are kind of no-brainers in this election. >> james: do you know what i don't understand? why tim kaine, when he went on stage at the convention, or when he goes on stage to speak, doesn't come on to, ? tim kaine in the membrane tim kaine in the brain ? ? tim kaine in the membrane tim kaine >> i know! >> james: that would be absolutely incredible. shouldn't he do it? >> i k

98% say mike pence won. tim kaine just 2%. join the conversation right now on the "fox and friends first" facebook page. #keep talking. >> "fox and friends" starts right now. have a great wednesday. >> see you tomorrow at 5:00 a.m. >>> the thought of donald trump as commander in chief scares us to death. >>> he's not polished like hillary clinton. >> do you want a you're hired president in hillary clinton or a you're fired president in donald trump. >> she had a clinton foundation accepting contribution frs foreign governments. >> you are a donald trump -- [ overlapping talking ]. >> donald trup, somebody who praises vladimir putin. he loves dictators. he's got a personal mt. rushmore. kim jong un, p vladimir putin. >>> he's called mex ans rapists and criminals. mexicans are rapists and criminals. this guy says all mexicans are bad. >> you whipped out that mexican thing again. >> mexicans are rapists and criminals. >> there you go. >> he's called women, slobs, pigs, dogs and disgusting. slobs, pigs, dogs, disgusting. >> senator that was beneath you and hillary clinton. that's prett

. >> between the many interruptions, tim kaine and mike pence clashed on everything from terrorism to abortion, but did either one of them come out a clear winner? >>> and later in our next half hour, the scary clown craze that's ignited a national phenomenon. with clown sightings is more than two dozen states, what the white house is now saying. you're watching "world news now." >>> "world news now" continues after this from our abc stations. our family was drifting apart... ...until we found a connection. you have the power to change your child's life. the boys town national hline can help. (tdd# 1-800-448-1433) >>> reagan said something interesting about nuclear proliferation back in the 1980s. he said the problem with nuclear proliferation is that some fool or maniac could trigger a catastrophic event. i think that's who governor pence's running mate is, who president reagan warned us about. >> oh, come on. senator, senator, that was even beneath you and hillary clinton. and that's pretty low. >> well, that was one of the many intense exchanges last night during the only vice pres

radio app. after the vice presidential debate between senator tim kaine and governor mike pence, members of the clinton and trump campaign spoke to reporters. >> and that's why tim kaine won this debate. refused to defend him on his racist, sexist remarks and a number of other things. win this debate, mike pence had to stand up for donald trump . had to defend the things he's done or said over the last week and he had to change the dynamic of this race and he did not do that. >> what's the strategy -- do think senator kaine came in two hot? was that the senator kaine that she take that you all know and like? .> absolutely first of all, he stood up for the ticket and the platform. he defended secretary clinton's record against relentless attacks by mike pence. out whole.came what you saw mike pence do was whether in the face of any question or criticism of the things that donald trump has said. >> was it withering or not taking the debate -- the bait? when he was asked about the things donald trump has said about women. platform.ange the he refused to stand up for donald trump. >

. my question is, okay. why do they keep acting though the economy is good? tim kaine saying in the last year we created this many jobs. and people don't feel it. people haven't gotten a raise in 15 years. if you can believe it they haven't gotten a raise in 15 years. problem is that taxes have gone up. premiums have gone up tremendously. utilities have gone up. people are making the same amount of money as 15 years ago. we have 100 million people in the work force. right sf. >> 95 million. >> we is lost one if three manufacturing jobs. we no longer have them in our country. we don't make anything anymore. and don't have jobs anymore. these politicians killed the american dream. >> everything you're saying is substance. and what advice do you give your dad? that is their strategy. >> that is their strategy. and they can't run on their own track record because it has been frankly horrible. so that is a strategy. to work and spew out a lot of lies. that is very, very sad. my father's message is spot on. put america first again. very simple. create jobs. create safety. fix our educatio

serve as president, so absolutely. >> so, now ayotte is saying she misspoke. so, is tim kaine armed now with something to use against mike pence to go directly after donald trump with that? >> this is the way they -- the clinton campaign has been trying to paint donald trump all the way along. if you look at what they've been saying from the very beginning, even separating trump out from other republicans saying that this is not the same as conservatism. they have an ad up, you may have seen it with the little girls looking in the mirror and listening to some of the things donald trump has said about women. kelly ayotte and some other republicans down the ballot are under similar pressure. i think the tactic the clinton campaign is using, is to try to make mike pence seem like donald trump. seem not like a normal republican, which i have to tell you is a little bit -- as someone who has covered pence for a long time, when he was in congress, is a little dissident. i'm not sure i ever would hear mike pence swear in public. he's a polite guy. >> a straight arrow. >> to a certain extent he

clinton and tim kaine has been an avalanche of insults. >> you can't have somebody at the top who demeans every group that he talks about. >> in a debate filled with accusations and a whole lot of interruptions. >> i just got -- >> people can come in kim jong-un, moammar gadhafi. >> the people at home cannot understand either one of you. >> arguments over who really said what. >> saudi arabia, south korea. >> gentlemen. >> and some substance. >> on fundamental issues of morality, we should let women make their own decision. >> because there is a -- a society can be judged by how it deals with its most vulnerable. >>> plus, states of emergency. hurricane matthew on a dangerous tear. a trap for the u.s. florida bracing. >> storm is coming. we don't want to take any chances. >> that state's governor about to speak. will he call for mass evacuations? this as 1 million people are told to evacuate from the south carolina coast. >> this is not something that we want to play with. we don't do voluntary or mandatory anymore. an evacuation is an evacuation. >> that category 3 pounding the b

is full of running mates. tim kaine has the home advantage. both hoping to be off and away from the presidency. facing big challenges tonight. stop the bleeding and undeniably after. this is the trump campaign. and then there was the few. 3:00 a.m. new revelations about his taxes and now over the last 36 hours, new polls are telling us that this has been a damaging week for donald trump standings. six points nationally and leading in all of the polls and trump now polling by the five key battle ground states. that's out of the states as well. it is damage control. tim kaine has a bit of a reputation as a mr. nice guy to that attack dog. how will he be keeping the debate. going after his character. that is a key question hanging over this debate for more now. kate will be joining me throughout the hour. this is one at hheop and 40% of americans said they hadn't heard of either one of these. >> mike pence has the tougher task because of the list of things that he has to defend is so long. this jnt just show what this unfolds, mike pence had national ambitions and was the governor of i

at times, talking over each other. >> the campaign of hillary clinton and tim kaine has been -- >> -- rapists and criminals -- >> donald trump and i would never support legislation that punished women who mailed the heartbreaking choice -- >> why did donald trump say that -- >> we just never -- >> why did he say that? >> governor pence said vladimir putin is a better leader than president -- >> that is absolutely inaccurate -- >> six times tonight i have said to governor pence, i can't imagine how you can defend -- >> this is the topic that has come up -- >> donald trump -- >> all six cases, he's refused to -- >> no, no, don't put words -- >> he is asking everybody to vote for somebody that he cannot defend. >> tim kaine and mike pence on the issues, the insults and we'll also talk about those interruptions as well. kaine bringing up some of donald trump's most controversial comments a lot. pence trying sort of trying to defend his running mate. and speaking of that running mate, exclusive new reporting this morning that donald trump, none too happy with mike pence after last

last night, tim kaine tried repeatedly, as i said, to engage with pence, attempted to hold him accountable for everything donald trump has said and done over the course of the campaign. but pence delivered an unwaivering performance effectively side stepping kaine's attacks while sticking to his talking points. as the "new york times" noted, pence dodged, deflected, and demurred, deciding, it seemed, that all the fires that mr. trump has set in the past year could not be doused in a single night. that's good writing. and as "time" magazine pointed out, "to some on servers it was a sign that the indiana governor's debate strategy was also designed to protect his own political future in the event of a trump loss." well, trump didn't hesitate to praise pence, by the way, at a rally this afternoon, citing pence's performance last night as an example of, guess what? donald trump's judgment. this is trump on trump. sort of on pence. >> mike pence did an incredible job. and i'm getting a lot of credit because that's really my first so-called choice, that was my first hire as we would

now, we want to get your reaction to the vice presidential debate between senator tim kaine and governor mike pence which was held in farmers for, virginia. you can join >> did he work on that one a long time? host: it is wednesday come october 5. it was debate night last night. we will spend the first half of today's "washington journal" getting your reaction to the vice presidential debate. who won? if you are supporting mr. trump and governor pence, 202-748-8001 . if you are supporting tim kaine and hillary clinton, 202-748-8000. if you are supporting a third-party candidate, 202-748-8002. if you are undecided, 202-748-8003. or can also send us a tweet go to facebook.com/c-span. phone lines are open. start dialing in. debate, eyesr the will be back on the polling numbers to see what impact last night's debate had on the presidential race. where the race stood before the , hillarygan last night clinton just over 48% in national polls according to cq and their chart of polling. donald trump at 44.3%. you can see how those two candidates and their numbers moved since the debate

tim kaine want to continue the policies of open borders, amnesty, catch and release. >> donald trump says mexicans are rapists and criminals. >> you whipped out that mexican thing again. donald trump has run a campaign that's been about one insult after the next. >> you and hillary clinton would know a lot about an insult driven campaign. >> some fool and maniac could trigger a catastrophic event. >>> hello. i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman. it was the attack dog versus the dodge, deflect and deny dog. but which had the loudest bark and did one deliver a meaningful bite? that is as far as the tim kaine/mike pence dog metaphor takes us. four days from now it is the big dogs. the rematch between donald trump and hillary clinton in st. louis, moderated by cnn's own anderson cooper. just minutes from now, we are going to hear from governor mike pence. he has a rally and this comes just 24 hours after his face-off with senator tim kaine. now, kaine definitely led in one area. interruptions. he repeatedly hit pence on some of trump's most controversial remarks while governor pence eith

presidential debate of 2016. indiana governor, mike pence, and virginia senator, tim kaine, will face off with 90 minutes without any breaks. >> both men hoping to use that time to boost their party's ticket while reintroducing themselves to the american people. if you look at the recent polls for about a third of the country, this is the very first introduction. they don't know who these guys are. >> that's exactly right. and a lot of the talk, megyn, before this debate starts, is whether this is going to be fiery. whether this is going to be policy-driven. and they will have to defend the top of the ticket. what has been said and what has been done. the civil war, essentially came to an end just north of this campus. we'll see what this battle looks like tonight on stage. >> if you ask the rnc, it has already been determined. because they already posted on their website a full rundown of the fact that mike pence won, that he emerged as the clear winner and outlined the points he scored against tim kaine. and then they took that page down because it had been released prematurely. >>

the most watched presidential debate in history, all eyes turn to tim kaine. >> is there anybody that believes any word that donald trump says? >> and mike pence. >> hillary clinton believes that millions are deplorable. they're not a basket of deplorables. they are americans. >> in their only head-to-head matchup. >> donald trump is not ready to be president. >> hillary clinton will never be elected president. >> from msnbc, the place for politics, the vice presidential debate. >> you are looking live at willett ll, longwood university, farmville, virginia. the second of the debates that will shape this country's presidential election 35 days from now. one of the two men who take the stage tonight will be this nation's next vice president. and in just a few hours, we will know who prevailed here tonight in their only face-to-face matchup of the season. brian williams along with rachel maddow and chris matthews who is leading our coverage from virginia tonight. our best in the business political team is here. and rachel, it was said today by a friend of ours, the job of mike pence ton

small virginia town played host to political theater last night between tim kaine and mike pence. they traded sharp attacks. they have two different visions for the future of the country. >> i can't imagine how governor pence can defend an insult-driven campaign. >> you would know about an insult-driven campaign. i think your running mate used a lot of the predeadlines. >> the tax returns show he went through a difficult time and he used the tax code the way it was supposed to be used. >> how do you know that? donald trump said, i'm doing business with russia. >> he 24e6r said that. >> governor? >> thanks. just trying to keep up with the insult-driven campaign on other side of the table. >> i'm just saying facts about your running mate. >> i'm happy to defend him, but don't put words in my mouth that i'm not defending him. bill: donald trump live tweeted during the campaign and con grate hated mike pence for his debate. martha: the trump campaign said they were dealing with a double standard. what do they mean by that? reporter: the trump campaign thinks tim kaine was out of line

." >>> happening now, running mate rumble. just hours from now, tim kaine, mike pence who will make a better case for the top of their ticket at the vice presidential debate. >> poll positions and how it could factor in the debate. >> donald trump in arizona right now. will he fire back at the critics again, including a high school student who called him out today about body image. >> i am anderson cooper. >> and i'm wolf blitzer. and you're in "the situation room." >> good evening from the campus of longwood university here in farmville, virginia, just west of richmond, site of the one and only 2016 vice presidential debate. i am in the spin room here, what the university calls spin alley. tonight on cnn, two men, both seasoned debaters and experienced advocates, will take the stage here at the university's willett hall. each with a job to do. they'll make their case for the top of the ticket, perhaps in ways that donald trump or hillary clinton, for that matter, that they themselves cannot make. millions will be watching. we have just learned that trump will be live tweeting during the deb

that. he was good in his presentation. i think tim kaine was the attack dog like normally happens in vice presidential debates. that's what you saw last night. conservative voters want to make sure in the suburbs and other places that their insects are met and worried about. with terrorism on our own soil anything could happen. >> were they able to answer that in any clear way? they were talking about the number of interruptions when it came to terrorism alone kaine interrupted pence nine times. >> i think pens wce won overall. he was trying to rep date a paul ryan joe biden in 2012. tim kaine interrupted to say he saw 9-11, too. it was a ridiculous time. i think the winner was pence. he had an easy case to prosecute. pence made the case and ivengz effective. >> one of the issues donald trump has made front and center from the very beginning of this campaign, that's immigration. who do you think did a better job on that? >> i think that they really put their policy out there. i was glad to hear their policy debate. pens roundup their bases and cain came back to the middle ground to m

excited about tim kaine in the debate tonight. because he understands what's at stake in the election. he knows what our policies are. he is ready to go toe-to-toe with mike pence, on all the issues that matter to americans. >> the debateill be a contrast between our campaign of big ideas and bold solutions for tomorrow, versus the small and petty clinton campaign that is totally stuck in the past. >> tonight offers trump's campaign the chance to alter the trajectory of a presidential race that for trump has been going very much in the wrong direction since last monday's debate. three polls out of pennsylvania suggests that clinton has built a big lead there. one poll showing her up by 12 points. a slew of new polls show clinton opening up a lead of five to six points nationwide, in a head-to-head matchup. clinton's running mate, tim kaine, will seek tonight to defend a running mate he largely agrees with on the issue, and to cast trump as fundamentally unfit to serve as president. trump's running mate, indiana governor mike pence would seem to face a bit of a tougher task. i

and tim kaine want more of the same. it really is remarkable. that they actually are advocating $1 trillion in tax increases, which i get that. you tried to raise taxes here in virginia, were unsuccessful. but $1 trillion in tax increases. more regulation, more of the same war on coal and more of obamacare that now even former president bill clinton calls obamacare a crazy plan. but hillary clinton and tim kaine want to build on obamacare. they want to expand it into a single payer program. and for all the world hillary clinton just thinks obamacare is a good start. donald trump and i have a plan to get this economy moving again. just the way that it worked in the 1980s, just the way it worked in the 1960s. and that is by lowering taxes across the board for working families, small businesses and family farms. ending the war on coal that is hurting jobs and hurting this economy even here in virginia. repealing obamacare, lock stock and barrel. and repealing all of the executive orders that barack obama has signed that are stifling economic growth in this economy. we can get america

of the debate. it will be the only opportunity that tim kaine and mike pence have the chance to face off on the same stage and the clearest picture since the first presidential debate last week. three new national polls. all of them showing hillary clinton growing her lead over donald trump with five weeks to go before election day. they all show her ahead by 6 points in a two-way marble rana race and coming in from six of the most critical swing states. democratic nominee on top and five of those the exception being ohio and taxes. taxes are now center stage. donald trump addressing that potentially game-changing report claiming he could have avoided federal income taxes for nearly two decades. clinton firing back. >> i have legally used tax laws to my benefit. >> he was taking with both hands and leaving the rest of us with the bill. >> honestly, i have brilliantly used those laws. >> what kind of genius loses a billion dollars in the first place? >> i understand the tax laws better than almost anyone, which is why i am one who can truly fix them. >> what does he want us to do

report >> krystal: decision 23016. democratic vice presidential nominee tim kaine will be in las vegas today. he's speaking at a rally at 6:30 tonight. that rally held by the united brotherhood of carpenter's. >> dana: yesterday donald trump informs las vegas. when he was in reno, he tried to pronounce the name of our state. know what i said. i said nobody says it the other way, it has to be nevada. >> dana: he did pronounce it correctly when he was here in las vegas. but he doubled down on the wrong pronunciation yesterday in reno. it will be interesting to see if he has to walk that back today. >> krystal: bringing out 7,000 supporters to his rally in until the election. trump told this crowd he's the guy that can bring back jobs and keep america safe. he spoke about building that wall, obama care, trade deals and taking jabs at hillary clinton. jim snider talked with trump about getting union support that could make or break his chance of winning. >> culinary very important here. have deals with them. trump tower does not, why not? >> i think we'll eventually get something that is s

your political hat right now. tim kaine in his home state of virginia, what advice would you give him? and what advice for pence? >> they're both going to talk about the troops. i think tim kaine can create a little distance between himself saying hillary clinton will be a thoughtful commander in chief. saying whatever it takes to defeat isis, there's been space between the two of them so far. i think mike pence can talk about how he was right about the surge. he supported the iraq surge. that we should have finished the war in iraq. how would owe sent them, it's a tricky business. i think that's where a lot of the debate will be. >> all right. thank you. >> thank you. >>> donald trump planning to take over twitter on tonight's debate. >> after another blistering one on his taxes. >> fox news chief correspondent ed henry live in d.c. with how the clinton camp is firing back. >> good morning. it's interesting. you know, maybe donald trump wants to spice up social media tonight during this debate. a lot of people wondering whether they are keep up with the star power of the first tr

so much for joining me. the vice presidential debate between tim kaine and mike pence, lots of jabs, insults and interruptions but the number one job for the two men, do not hurt their own campaign. by most accounts, mission accomplished. >> the thought of donald trump as commander in chief scares us to death. >> the campaign of hillary clinton and tim kaine has been an avalanche of insults. >> the trump plan is a different plan. it's a you're fired plan. >> i appreciate the you're hired, you're fired thing, senator, you use that a whole lot and i think your running mate used a lot of predone lines. >> okay, so there's a lot to cover as usual. we're following every angle for you. phil mattingly breaks down the fiery debate. sunlen serfaty has the fallout. phil, let's start with you. >> carol, remember at one point this was supposed to be the boring debate between as one person said dull versus duller. not so much. look the candidates had very clea goals and objectives going into this debate. they just took a rather combative pathway to get there. >> i must have hit a nerve here. >>

this a discussion? >> what is up with tim kaine? is his middle name co? let's share another line. >> i was in washington, d.c. on 9/11. i saw the clouds of smoke rise from the pentagon. >> i was in virginia. >> i know you were. >> that's small potatoes compared to hillary clinton who called half of donald trump supporters a basket of deplorables. >> hillary clinton said something and she said, i shouldn't have said that. >> she said she shouldn't -- >> governor, this is senator kaine's two minutes. >> now we're even. >> you want to see who lost the debate, find out who is whining about it. pence clearly won despite moderator bias. she lost control, which happens when you only corral one cat and that cat is more amped than pete townsend's gibson. there's that one guy, johnny eyebrows mugging his elastic face to get the attention of the ticket agent. it was hard to follow. abrupt right turns, left turns, heavy breaking. it was like watching a squirrel take a driving test. pence rose above it like a tugboat among churn. he turned into a fifth head destined for mount rushmore, stoney

presidential candidates mike pence and tim kaine face off tonight for their first and only debate. thank you so much for joining me. they stand in the shadow of their presidential running mates but tonight senator cain and governor pence have the spotlight to themselves. neither man is likely to win many votes tonight but they can certainly lose them and neither ticket can afford that in a race this close. new polling shows hillary clinton has seized the lead, now ahead of donald trump five points. and donald trump has lost ground. any signs of momentum loom large with the election now just 35 days away. trump trying to defuse a potential land mine, the report that he may have legally avoided paying federal income taxes for nearly two decades. >> i have brilliantly used those laws. i have often said on the campaign trail that i have a w fiduciary responsibility to pay no more tax than is required. >> in farmville virginia for tonight's debate at longwood university, phil, kick it off for us. >> good morning, carol. just in a few hours, obviously all eyes in the political world will be on

, tim kaine won a coin toss so he'll get the first question tonight. the viewers will see senator keane on the left. governor pence on the right. they will be seated this time at a table. there aren't any lecturns this time so the candidates will be closer to one another. they will also be closer to the moderator of cbs news. that proximity could effect the tone of the debate. jake tapper, we're getting a little preview of what's to come, aren't we? >> reporter: that's right, wolf. spoiler alert. the republican national committee apparently accidentally posted a blog in which they declared that mike pence won the debate. usually people in washington wait until the debate is over. but it does happen every now and then that an ambitious press secretary will get ahead of him or herself. but this notes that mike pence won the debate. the consensus was clear after the dust settled. pence was the clear winner. mike pence's tom moments from the debate it says were when he discussed the economy and highlighting hillary's scandals, plural, mike pence made the most of his opportunity to deb