tim kaine said that a lot. finally he seemed to get under mike pence's skin a little bit listen to this. >> senator, you looked at that mexican thing again. >> can you defend that? >> look, there are criminal aliens in this country, tim, who have come into this country illegally who are perpetrating violence. >> you want to use a brush against mexico? >> he also said many of them were good people. >> it seemed like he tried to get that mexican thing trending on twitter. he was trying to make it happen. it gets to the bigger question, how much do vice presidential debates matter? that happened last night, tens of millions of people watched. what effect does it have on the race? >> well, they do matter. let me just explain it this way. give you a pathway of what i think you're getting at john and i agree with is that, it does matter. first of all if you go to the poll last night, and you dig deep into the numbers when those who watched the debate who participated in our poll were asked do you think that tim kaine

>> tim kaine. my father speaks from the heart and i'm so proud of what my father has accomplished and he's done an unbelievable job and we're going to win come november 8th, no question about it. >> eric trump, appreciate it. jeff zeleny, you've got a special guest, as well. >> i do, i'm here with the chair of the clinton campaign, john pedesta. did you think senator kaine came across as the more well-liked candidate? >> he did a good job explaining what he and hillary wanted to do for the american people and how to build an economy that'll work for the middle class, not just everyone at the top. he was strong on reproductive choice and he challenged governor pence to defend the kind of hateful campaign that donald trump has run and time and again, governor pence took a dive. >> and you said though that he didn't have a smooth performance. double governor pence was simply not taking the bait that senator kaine was throwing out? >> no, i think he -- he essentially had made a decision that he would n

and tim kaine was on offense. you could see it in the tone and the tenor of the way they approached this debate. and there was only one ticket last night that we saw, that was the united front, tim kaine and hillary clinton. they are a united front on policy. the headlines today i'm seeing are about the number of ways in which governor pence and donald trump are -- just simply not on the same page. there were moments last night where governor pence seemed like he didn't even know who his running mate was. shocking to see that. >> what was your response, though, to tim kaine's temperament? there is a number of folks that said after the fact that he did seem to be a lot more aggressive, jumping in a lot, a lot less calm than, say, you know, his opponent there, mike pence was. what is your response to that? >> sure, i think that tim kaine had a lot of energy last night, he's aggressive, he's hungry, he wants to serve his country and that came across very clear last night in the tone and tenor he brought to the debate

what did tim kaine do? >> reporter: well we know he and his team have been tight-lipped 5b9d the way he's been preparing but he's been preparing in his hometown of richmond, virginia. as well as in raleigh, north carolina. a chance to get away and prepare intensely. but he too has been sitting at a table, as we'll see him tonight, sitting with mike pence and the moderator during this debate. and playing mike pence in these preparations is bob barnett. washington super lawyer and agent who's spent ten cycles now helping candidates prepare for debates. mosten recently he played bernie sanders for hillary clinton in the primaries and tim kaine has described barnett as extremely tough in the preparations and also karen dunn and ron klain who been helping hillary clinton out. they have been leading her debate preparations so that's taken a pause to help out tim kaine and really helping him in a kind of debate that even he says is a little different than he is used to. he's debated but he's normally been asking v

can you see tim kaine doing that. he can't. tim kaine is so straight-laced he covers his eyes during the cialias commercials. mike pence, i don't think he ever kissed a girl. i really believe he's saving sex for the after life. >> tevor: hasan i got to say why are you sad about biden leaving. it seems all the stuff you like about him, unpredictablity, his casual racism, you can get that all from a president trump. >> whoa. biden is the vice president, vice. it's okay he's award owe because he has no real -- what's a weirdo because he has no power. all he does is sit around. you never put a guy like that in charge. it goes like this. guy at the top responsible, boring, predictable. guy below him, exciting. everybody loves him. life of the party. handsome, you know, like me and you. [laughter] >> tevor: doesn't mean you're sitting around waiting for me to die. >> it's time for a commercial we'll be right back. >> tevor: no, i say we'll be right back. >> we'll be right back. >> tevor: we'll be right back. >> we'll be right back. >

tim kaine looked unhinged. so, i think just that the demeanor of mike pence would do a lot to calm people. i think tim kaine hurt hillary's team. i thought hillary was the most unlikable politician until i saw tim kaine last night. i think he lapped her. >> wow, congressman, these are strong words. unhinged. what is a moment that you thought tim kaine was unhinged? >> well, when he kept yapping about trump's taxes and then making up things that he took donald trump's words out of context. >> such as? >> even at the end there he said he wants to deport 16 million immigrants in the first 100 days. >> daonald trump never said the first 100 days but he did talk about a deportation during the primary, congressman. >> what he was speaking about was the immigration control group and what he said at the end is that we're going to secure the wall, secure the borders and build a wall and make sure that we deport the criminal elements and then we'll deal with those who are currently, lawfully, you know, living by our laws

few people know tim kaine better i asked governor warner what about this accusation that tim kaine interrupted too often, perhaps he was rude. mark warner said, if anything i would never imagine calling tim kaine rude. perhaps there was some back and forth, i said, no, i counted interruptions he did interrupt frequently, governor pence did as well. he said, no, i think this is -- from the democratic viewpoint what governor kaine -- senator kaine was trying to do was to get governor pence to answer for the trump cap pain, i think democrats say that the pence-donald trump. cap page did not answer the accusations. on the other hand i talked to alabama republican senator jeff sessions is who says they felt that the tone from governor pence showed he is a higher level player than we saw from the clinton campaign tonight. and from senator kaine. but more over, he was talking about depth of policy from governor pence. we did see some serious policy discussions tonight and hear the trump campaign, in particular pointed out feeling that they made some inroads there. obviously that's for viewers to deci

i don't know that tim kaine was the needle much. but it seemed like mike pence was going out there and sounding steady and sane. if you take about substance over style. his style is very smooth. he was not rattled. there was only a couple times when it came to taxes. when it came to something else that is escaping me right now. >> too early. >> it's too early, actually. >> the e-mails. the e-mails, jackie? >> no. >> he went back and forth about the taxing and about the e-mails where he was really starting to get into it when they moved topics. >> well right, i think that was one of the other problems last night. they weren't sort of allowed to play out some of these arguments. we won't ever know what happened. >> although it was better than the last format. it was very interesting. they got to sit next to each other. you got your time. but then they were able to kind of go at it. and that was really fruitful on a couple situations that deserved layers. there was one incident last night, mark preston, that showed why pence didn't wan

tim kaine's strategy tonight. what is it? >> tim kaine's strategy tonight, wolf, a couple things. one, continue the argument or try to continue the argument, against donald trump that has been playing out over the last three days or so about his tax returns and what was in them. he will continue to prosecute sort of all of that. but i think it's something else as well. it is to get some voters comfortable, try to get them comfortable with hillary clinton herself. with her honesty, trustworthiness. his double task tonight, if you will, is to take on donald trump in ways that she has and keep this momentum alive. one thing about vice presidential debates that can be interesting, they can keep things going, or they can sort of halt things. republicans would love for the script to be flipped a little tonight. it's tim kaine's job to make sure that does not happen. >> and the jim acosta, what about mike pence? reverse a tough week for donald trump? >> right. mike pence has been described as trump's explainer in chief, the way that barack obama had bill clinton as his explainer in chief

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governor pence wasn't always debating just tim kaine. especially vladimir putin and syria and what governor pence was saying was at odd with things trump said or were things trump never said. he was giving more details and policy that we don't hear from donald trump. about style, governor pence has been around a while. he's a former talk show host, radio. he has the communications skills. one of the reasons hillary clinton has moved up in the polls is more enthusiasm among democrats after the first debate. i think this will energize republicans who were disappointed in the first debate. i also can't count the number of e-mails from republicans saying oh, there's a republican in this race. because he talked about smaller government and less regulation and shrinking washington. he talks like a conservative. donald trump does not communicate like a conservative. a lot of republicans saying we wish that was our candidate. >> we got our results of a focus group watching of undecided voters. also an instant poll, people who watched the debate.

kasie: the idea that they are trying to print tim kaine to be an attack talk -- trying to prep tim kaine it to be an attack dog. using his mr. nice guy persona to relate to the audience while also not letting up on mike pence. much more is a disciplined person to go after than donald trump. [laughter] i think mike pence is digging into tim kaine's gubernatorial records in a way that voters may not expect to hear what he did when he was in charge. i think they will use that to say that tim kaine would have raised taxes. mike pence, taxes have gone down in indiana -- the kind of argument. employment numbers. trying to find things about tim kaine that they can attach to the larger narrative about what trump wants to accomplish. both both these clinton is wanted run.y good the polls are in a very good direction. do you have a sense of what their current concerns are? kasie: their current concerns are that they are trying to sever losses with white working-class men. in these battleground states like ohio, predominantly not african-american areas like ohio. she's not necessarily talking about

does tim kaine -- how does tim kaine defend against that? >> well, i think there's an overriding situation here that we can't overlook. there will be specific ways each candidate will attack, but overall we're looking at extreme versus mainstream. between trump as being extreme, hillary being mainstream. believe me, it carries to their vice presidential running mates. when you look at mike pence, he got a zero from retired americans because he wanted to end social security and medicare, as we know it. he's the one who started the planned parenthood craziness with shutdowns. he started that. he signed a horrible law in indiana as governor which would have destroyed businesses there, when tim kaine was governor, five out of six years virginia was rated the top state for business. in the last year, it was the second top state. so, i think you're going to see that reflected. frankly, i know tim kaine very well. served on the sam committee with him, foreign relations. he's kind, thoughtful. he's highly respected by republicans and democrats alike

what did you think of tim kaine? you've been covering him. was he tim kaine tonight? >> this is not the tim kaine to which virginia grew accustomed over 20 odd years. he was the model of racial reconciliation broke into elected politics as a member of the richmond city council. where we are tonight is important in that prince edward county where schools were closed in defiance of the brown decision, that's how kaine opened the evening. it was probably one of the few homey moments of the entire evening. and i would suspect sadly that's not a theme that is important to kaine but one he was able to advance tonight. he certainly played the attack dog. he is fully subsumed to the clinton campaign and this is a guy who as governor took a real beating from a republican dominated legislature but, you know, always smiled. always went back to the table. always was looking for common ground. you know, you're a product of the cross. you can understand the jesuits and those orders. this has had a big effect on kaine, his thinking and his approach to government. always looking for

you saw tim kaine 64 times interrupting.

how effective was tim kaine? they could have sent a video monitor to sit in the seat and play back loops of donald trump saying appalling or shock or con founding things. that's what kaine was there to do, was to repeat, repeat, repeat. it was like he had so many talking points and sound bites in his head he was afraid he wasn't going to get them all out. martha: it was very apparent that they were practiced lines. you are supposed to internalize those lines and make them feel like they are just coming out of your mind. >> hillary clinton had a few lines like that in her debate. pence is good at deflecting and not answering questions. we are here journalists praising people for people to defeat questions. martha: objecquestions.. temperature. >> he was able to deliver them with the appearance, i was just sitting here, it's interesting, and now, blah, blah, blah blah blah. martha: thank you very much, chris stirewalt. bill: a bit later we'll talk to wisconsin governor scott walker. he played tim kaine in rehearsal

is why tim kaine won mike pence lost. he refused to defend donald trump on his racist sexist , remarks and refused to defend them on any number of thing. so, you know, to win this debate mike pence had to stand up for theld trump, had to defend things he has said over the last week and he had to change the dynamics of this race and he did not do that. >> what is the strategy, you think that he came into hot on the debate? is that the senator that she picked and you all know and like? >> absolutely. he stood up for the ticket and the platform. he defended secretary clinton's record against relentless attacks from mike pence. that's what they said they would do. what you saw mike pence do is ither in the face of any question or criticism of the things that donald trump has said. not takingindling or the bait. it withering or was it bait?ot taking the >> he just wouldn't stand up for hisfor. when confronted with a racist things donald trump has said about women in particular asked about donald trump's positions on russia he

tim kaine, shut up. here comes mike pence, well, what about deplorables, why are you always so negative and why is the campaign this way, let's stay on issue. i think on substance, he won hands down. >> who is behind you? >> that would be eric trump. >> hi, eric. honestly, it's why my father picked him. he's poised out there, he was composed. he's amazing. he's incredibly articulate. he was calming in so many ways but he also led with tremendous strength. >> the interruptions, what did you think about that? >> i found them a little annoying quite frankly sitting up front. i thought it was a little rude. >> critics are saying tim kaine interrupted too much. >> i think he had points he wanted to make and he wasn't going to let falsehood just lay on the table. when he thought there was something worth correcting or there was something that was worth interjecting, he did it and he did a aggressively. >> kelly anne, what did you think? >> an amazing night for governor mike pence. he was affable and genial. un

tim kaine was reciting his brief. pence was reciting his brief. >> the moderator. >> and nobody was talking to anybody else. >> and they all had their own thing-tsh. >> editors. >> and no one is listening to anyone. everyone is ranting. and at end -- well you go to the bar. but this whole thing, hillary clinton got herself three to six points ahead by driving his basic bullying really of a woman for weight gain. and it was barely mentioned except in the context you both described. i missed it. she is where she is because she sustained an attack and he helped her for tweeting about it for six days and he didn't mention it tonight. >> editors are great people. i love editor. an editor would have taken that phrase and sort of -- >> highlighted it. put it at the end of sentence instead of the middle. >> so it wasn't just about shooting himself in the foot but what he did to miss universe. not sort of the other thought to it. and that would have kind of paste it somewhere else in the debate. so you heard it and it stood ou

flip it back on tim kaine. independentlot of voters just as frustrated with hillary clinton as they are with donald trump. it is a lesser of two evils argument. if mike pence can normalize it and make senator tim kaine look awkward, it would be a good night for the trump campaign. >> is his only job tonight to not make that big mistake, or will he try to hit hard against donald trump? some of the things he said about women against the last week -- what will be his message? >> those are the two things he will have to do. he will have to hit back when he is attacked, and make sure every time there is an attack on the dingy parries it and quickly pivots to donald trump for the things he said. he wants to make sure donald trump bad week continues. the tax returns, the trump foundation, and all the things trump has seen in terms of bad headlines. tim kaine will try to keep those going. >> that is putting it mildly. >> some voters don't even know who these two guys are. do they want to keep it personal, or will it be

tim kaine is a great friend. we'll build upon the momentum hillary clinton said last week when she talked about how to improve the economy, how to keep america safe and secure. tim kaine understands that this debate tonight is to talk to those american who's are still undecided. his his role. to make sure they are infrequent voters. they know what hillary clinton's plans are for the future. >> thanks very much for coming. we'll talk to you later. >> thank you very much. a lot more ahead. right at the top of the hour. how tim kaine and mike pence have been prepping for the debate. governor pence change the momentum for his ticket or will senator kaine strike another blow for team clinton? stay with us. ♪ amazing sleep stays with you all day and all night. with sleep number, you choose the exact firmness and comfort you want - and so does your partner - for the best sleep ever. the columbus day sale is on now with the queen c4 mattress set only $1399.98. plus 24-month financing. learn more at sleepnumber.com >>>

tim kaine in the senate. tim kaine, the dnc chair. so i can't expect that they will be fighting amongst that tonight, you know, when we see them on the stage. >> and they both pride themselves on being nice as well as not name calling. so we'll see what happens when they're under the white-hot glare of the spotlight. gentlemen, thanks so much for talking this through with us. great to talk to you. >>> well, libertarian presidential candidate gary johnson holding steady in the polls despite several high-profile gaffes. can his ticket make a move or even swing this election? we're going to speak with him live next. >> there he is. >> hi, governor. talk to you in a minute. ♪ ♪ jon batiste has mastered new ways to play old classics. with chase atms, he can master new ways to deposit checks too. easy to use chase technology for whatever you're trying to master. upgrade your phone system and learn how you could save at vonage.com/business "yyou just double thetchen's great. heyheat--right?" somethig to cook faster, "no reason." "hey mom

look at tim kaine's job tonight. i'm sure somebody on the clinton campaign has made the point to him, look, keep provoking donald trump. question his business acumen. go after him on the things that it is impossible for him to be restrained on responding to. and hey, good news, he's going to be live tweeting. he's going to have his phone in his hand during this debate. and so when we look at the first debate, we saw a premeditated deliberate strategy by secretary clinton to say when i attack donald trump on these things, it will melt him down. he does not have the capacity to not respond to it. like a labrador retriever who will chase the tennis ball when you throw it and bring it back, donald trump will respond to provocations on his business record, on his competence time and time again. i think mike pence has a very difficult job tonight. mike pence is going to have to answer questions about donald trump's comportment, about his temperament, about his capacity to be commander in chief when he's up at 3:00, 4:00, 5

the wife of tim kaine will be on the stage walked by. we tried our loving best to get her to stop with us. the crowd even helped, the students here at longwood university. she gave us a nice wave and kept going. it's her husband's big night against mike pence. what are these students thinking about the race for the white house ahead of tonight's debate? my colleague had the opportunity to speak with some millennial women on campus. when you came down to the crowd, they're going, hey, stephanie. >> these are my home girls. i spent the night at the alpha gamma delta sorority house. we played a little celebrity and we talked about what matters to them most. while i was surprised there were still some undecided voters, many of the women inspired by hillary clinton -- >> hold on one second. one second. tim kaine is walking in. do we have pictures? >> is he walking in? >> there we go. vice presidential nominee, tim kaine, arriving here on campus. as we said, we just saw his wife, ann, moments ago. doing his walk through to the debate stage. we

the day she chose tim kaine. she was beyond giddy. she was just happy. and she had somebody she could totally depend upon as a partner, and i think it was the best decision of her campaign in the sense of you couldn't get a republican the say anything bad about him. in washington and the toxicity to, have somebody like tim kaine. so i think his job again is going to be to explain her, defend her, whatever, but i just remind people, tim kaine in 2007 at virginia tech, and i have never seen anybody handle a situation after the tragedy of 32 people being murdered by a deranged person with a gun. and i've never seen anybody handle it better. >> ifill: michael gerson, the vice presidential debate, do they ever help or are they more likely to hurt? >> they're often memorable. they're seldom consequential to determine the outcome. this is a strange one, though, in a certain way. not strange men, but it's a strange circumstance where the republic might be better served and a lot of people might agree that both tickets co

tim kaine, mike pence. one would assume, hallie jackson, mike pence will spend the better part of the evening cleaning up a bit. they don't see eye to eye, him and things like nafta, muslim ban, to name a few. how is he going to explain those positions? >> here's three things. number one, play clean-up. one of our colleagues said earlier today, he needs a mop and a bucket to address donald trump's controversies. pence has done that throughout this campaign and will have to do that tonight on this sort of huge national stage for him. two, he's got to explain the policy differences. you mentioned nafta, the muslim ban, the birther issue and the release of taxes which mike pence put out that even though donald trump has not. potentially most faithful ally on the campaign trail and backed him every step of the way yet the two have still split and i think pence plays a role in reassuring republicans here. remember why he was put in the ticket to say to the establishment, listen, i've got you. not going to put an

that is as far as the tim kaine/mike pence dog metaphor takes us. four days from now it is the big dogs. the rematch between donald trump and hillary clinton in st. louis, moderated by cnn's own anderson cooper. just minutes from now, we are going to hear from governor mike pence. he has a rally and this comes just 24 hours after his face-off with senator tim kaine. now, kaine definitely led in one area. interruptions. he repeatedly hit pence on some of trump's most controversial remarks while governor pence either chose not to take the bait or not to defend his running mate depending on how you look at it. watch this. >> donald trump during his campaign has called mexicans rapists and criminals. he's called women slobs, pigs, dogs, disgusting. he attacked an indiana-born federal judge and said he was unqualified to hear a federal lawsuit because his parents were mexican. he said african-americans are living in hell and he perpetrated this outrageous and bigoted lie that president obama is not a u.s. citizen. >> did you all just hear that? ours is a

i think it is an opportunity for tim kaine. he has not a very good record and in indiana on fraen issues. he wants to defund planned parenthood. it led to businesses fleeing indiana. he can say this is a ticket that is wrong for america. it is anti-woman in word and deed. anti-graen in word and deed. this is always tension between a candidate for president and vice president. he actually,er, he said positive things about planned parenthood. how does mike pence walk that line in. >> well, first of all. when you look at what voters are attract to. it is a change. somebody from the outside. number one. number two, the core issues of what this is about. her on taxes, growth opportunity. even in urban communities. haven't seen it under barack obama and you're going to have a candidate who will be able to pivot on some of these issues which of they are trying to side 39 bigger issues. what is going on with the economy. how do you get 94 million americans who have opted out of work force back to work? how do you improve the lot for ur

tim kaine that when a running mate is supposed to do. he defended secretary clinton's record and policies. eastern with her and challenged donald trump. mike pence was a wall on everyone of those. >> you don't think senator kaine interrupted too much of a lot of the discussion? you don't think donald -- senator kaine did too much of that? was frustrating was as i was saying earlier, governor pence would make up entirely new policy positions. on syria, he had policy contrary to what donald trump had suggested in the past. they completely new policy on russia. into ron kirk commercial remarks, yet nothing to say on top questions intimate assertions that were not true and senator mccain was making sure to correct the record. we were seeking to understand how michael pence good possibly defend some of these reprehensible remarks donald trump has that. the erratic actions. he cannot do that. >> you have argued does not have the temperament, and you think mike pence's temperament was a contrast to donald trump's or not? >> i think both senator

tim kaine in the membrane tim kaine in the brain ? ? tim kaine in the membrane tim kaine >> i know! >> james: that would be absolutely incredible. shouldn't he do it? >> i know! >> we'll see what happens tomorrow night. >> james: i'd love that so much. >> before you all start doing that-- >> what? warn you? >> yeah, because i didn't-- >> you think he warned me, man? it's all for one out here. >> james: oh, you want to join in? okay. ? tim kaine in the membrane. >> tim kaine in the brain. >> james: don't do it like that. >> how much more warning could you get? >> james: if you're going to do it like that-- ? tim kaine in the brain! >> it's old now. like, i wanted to be in on the hip, now. you know, i was born in '89. >> why are you blaming me, jimmy butler? >> somebody has to take the blame. >> james: now, when you are going to meet the v.p., do you have to get checked out with secret service? >> yeah, it was crazy. so it was at this fund-raiser in colorado. and they made everyone leave the house and then they-- the secret service like-- went through the entire house and then they br

tim kaine and mike pence sparring over issues. there were interruptions and s insults and mike pence finding different ways to fend off the attacks. >> hitting back with hillary clinton and questioning her record and trustworthness. now only four days until the next presidential debate and 34 days until the election. we have it all covered for you. let's begin with phil mattingly in virginia. good morning, phil. >> good morning, alisyn. no surprise what both candidates were trying to do last night heading into the debate. for tim kaine, make it all about donald trump. for mike pence, really present a calm, steady hand on the ticket. that, that they did. but in a calm, steady way? not so much. >> you are donald trump -- >> hotly contentious from the start. >> i can't imagine how governor pence can defend the insult-driven, selfish me style of donald trump. >> reporter: the vice presidential debate becoming a night of whose candidate is more insulting. >> you and hillary clinton would know a lot about an insult-driven campaign. >> r

later, tim kaine holds a rally in pennsylvania. forhe evening, a debate teleporters open senate seat. in the two vote getters primary or mash-up in the general election regardless of party affiliation. camilla harris and loretta the two candidates. c-span's washington journal live every day. coming up this morning, we are getting your reaction to the betweend only debate tim kaine and mike pence. watch c-span's washington journal live at 7:00 eastern. candidateesidential tim kaine debated on the campus of montwood university. >> welcome to the first and only 2016.ential debate both are longtime public servants who are proud fathers serving in the u.s. marines. thecampaigns have agreed to rules of this debate. will begin. toss, it has been determined that senator kaine will be first. we have an enthusiastic audience tonight. expresse agreed only to that enthusiasm once at the end of the debate and right now as we welcome mike pence and tim kaine. >> gentlemen, welcome. it truly is a privilege to be with both of you tonight. i would

>> look, i wasn't in the debate prep for tim kaine but what tim kaine did was exactly what needed to be done. he made sure that, today, we're talking about the fact that pence and trump seemed to have different russia policies. pence and trump have different syria policies. so trump/pence campaign really has to answer the question, is it donald trump's version of russia policy that will guide the country if he's elected president? this isn't a small point. this isn't a subtle question of interrupting or not interrupting. this is the central issue of american foreign policy. will it be the soft russia version that donald trump put forward or will be it the hard on russia version that mike pence put forward right? the american people deserve to know which one it is. trump gave one version. pence gave another. it's tim kaine would got up to do that. >> the same argument could be made for immigration. we've heard plans from pence that don't necessarily line up from what we've heard from donald trump. i guess it will be interesting to see come sunday what the russia plan looks like. >> on

and clearly tim kaine had a strait strategy. that strategy was to bait mike pence into a fight over donald trump's record. this was not a debate about issues. this was not a debate about the two men on stage. it was about the outside personalities of their running mates. neither of the running mates spent a lot of time defending their respective person at the top of the ticket. and i think it was particularly notable in the way that tim kaine hit pence. pence, though, in deflection started a new story line. mike pence showed republicans that there is an answer, and starting some of the key arguments they hope to use against hillary clinton. diane, kendis? >> thanks, rick. only a handful of days out from the next presidential debate. >> the second debate comoderated by our own martha raddatz with full team coverage sunday night here on abc. >>> and our other breaking news this morning is the march of hurricane matthew. as it spins northward, the storm leaves behind catastrophic damage in haiti. >> runoff left behind huge piles of

and, that was the thing that tim kaine was pushing back on. saying you know, we're concerned about people in this country who are dangerous, you're concerned about people in this country on the basis of their religion, or ethnicity or the country they come from. mike pence, in fact, is trying to bar syrians from indiana at the same time that last night he was saying oh, gee now we need to do something about syria. it's -- it's -- it's a confused message. >> so ben, can you explain -- >> described a moment ago. >> like what -- uh-huh explain to us again what exactly donald trump means when he's going to deport some people, not others. he's going to keep families together but they have to go and come back. like we've heard all those things. >> i'll make it as clear as i possibly can. donald trump has said first and foremost that he is going to deport people that have been convicted of crimes, serious crimes, and heinous crimes. and yes, he will -- >> no he said deport them all. >> let me at least finish, okay. obviously you do not understand wha

senator tim kaine? >> you have to be tough on rush yachlt let's start by not praising putin as a great leader. donald trump and mike pence have said he's a great leader. and donald trump has -- >> no, we haven't. >> and donald trump has business dealings with russia that he refuses to disclose. hillary clinton has gone toe to toe with russia. she went toe to toe with russia as secretary of state to do the new start agreement to reduce russia's nuclear stockpile. she had the experience doing it. she went toe to toe with russia a and lodged protests. we put punishing economic sanction onz russia that we need to continue. donald trump on the other hand didn't know that russia had invaded the cry mee yachlt he said russia is the not going into the ukraine. they went into the crimea two years before. hillary clinton has gone toe to toe with russia to work out a deal on new start. she got them engaged in a meaningful way to cap iran's nuclear weapons program and yet she stood up to them on issues such as syri

you juxtaposed him with tim kaine tonight. and you think tim kaine's performance is going to sit well with women? i think you're going to hear from pundits and i think vice presidential debates don't matter. >> i got to go, i got a clinton campaign rep coming up. great to see you. >> thank you. >> so mike pence made the case against hillary clinton and here is one exchange getting a lot of attention. >> there is a time in the wake of hillary clinton's tenure as secretary of state we see entire portions of the world, particularly the wider middle east spinning out of control. at a time of great challenge in the life of this nation, we've weakened america's place in the world, the campaign of hillary clinton and tim kaine has been an avalanche of insults. >> the clinton foundation accepted foreign contributions from foreign governments and foreign governments while she was secretary of state. >> now, i can, i get to weigh in. >> she had a private server. >> governor pence? governor pence didn't think the world is going so well.

>> i'm not sure tim kaine is going to bring those things up. i don't know that it helps the democratic ticket to get too nasty. there's a sunny optimism that the ticket has claimed it was going to pivot to and that is very much tim kaine's style. it has been throughout his career. i don't know that he's going to be looking to go overboard with a lot of that stuff although i think you'll see some very targeted remarks that are intended to get specific groups of voters in specific battleground states. so you'll hear, i think, some things about sexism because they're looking to get more educated women voters on their side. i think you'll hear some things where just to make sure the millennials know that there's a difference between the candidates and parties when it comes to, say, global warming, but other than that, i don't think it's going to be anywhere near as in your face nasty as we saw between the two main candidates just a week ago. >> susan, what do you think? >> i think sunny optimism would be a nice change of pace this year. i don't thi

for tim kaine, keep what you got. hold the board here and also make progress with millennials and never trump republicans. tim kaine is hoping maybe they don't like hillary clinton. maybe they think -- he's trying to make the case to millennials to support the ticket. and favorability ratings. mike pence has a higher favorability rating tan his running mate. a lot of the american people when we ask these question, they say we don't know tim kaine. we don't know much about mike pence. that might just about change. >> we'll see tonight if they in fact raise their proeflsz. we're about 35 minutes from the start of the debate. let's talk with our partisans. jeffrey lord. how concerned are you about the battleground state polls that we've been seeing, particularly since the debate, seems to be shifting to hillary clinton. are you confident they can shift back? >> sure. sure. they absolutely can. >> i knew you were going to say that. to be honest. >> of course. but while we were waiting, i was reading an article about the c

tim kaine was a little creepy and obnoxious. this is an interesting question because he was given all kinds of chances to defend donald trump and it's going to be interesting to see what the reaction, e fallout is from his refusal to defend donald trump. i mean, mike pence really -- a lot of conservatives were watching this, a lot of republicans. they were wishing this ticket was flipped. how does that play in trump tower, i'm not sure, because every time that he had a chance to actually defend something about donald trump he side stepped it. trust me, the trump folks or at least donald trump noticed that. >> noticed that. and do you think this is going to spark donald trump to change his strategy going into the debate this weekend? >> i have no idea what donald trump is going to do. i'm sure that a lot of people are saying, hey, did you see what mike pence just did? you should do something like that. you should try to be calm and unflappable but of course that's telling donald trump to be somebody completely different than in f

what did tim kaine say that wasn't true? >> i'll tell you one and this matters to me as the son of an immigrant and as a latino, he said -- and they're said this all along -- they keep saying donald trump is a racist and that is the sign of an intellectually failing campaign. >> did he say that last night? i don't think tim kaine e said that. >> he said that donald trump said mexicans are rapists murderers. that's ridiculous. are there some illegal immigrants who are? are there dangerous illegal immigrants? absolutely and they need to be gone yesterday and there are sanctuary cities and people literally suffering and dying because of that policy but are most mexicans? of course not? latinos are a treasure to this country as are immigrants in general so i think what he showed up with, tim kaine, was a landry list and said "i dare you to defend one through ten" and pence sedley defend broad principles but i won't go down your rabbit hole. >> here's not a rabbit hole but a google search for everybody. ron, you can do it, too. e

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what do kanye west and tim kaine have in common? >> she had a clinton foundation accepting contributions from foreign governments. >> you are donald trump -- >> hillary clinton expanding the -- >> instead of you violating the constitution -- >> well, apparently they both like interrupting people. what is going viral from the vice presidential debate ahead. i wanted to know where my family came from. i did my ancestrydna. the most shocking result was that i'm 26% native american. i had no idea. it's opened up a whole new world for me. ♪ yeahashtag "stuffy nose."old. hashtag "no sleep." i got it. hashtag "mouthbreather." yep. we've got a mouthbreather. well, just put on a breathe right strip and... pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. so you can breathe... and sleep. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right. >>> donald trump note on the debate stage but he managed to share the spotlight with his running mate governor mike pence. >> what's going viral from the first and onl

so tim kaine will have to response if a bombshell does drop. that could really turn the tables potentially. here's the thing. with both vice presidential candidates, because they're so unliked, this debate becomes a lot more important. whether it's because we have criminal investigations going on for either of the candidates or because they're the next in line in succession. it's one of the things where this debate is more important than people give credit for. >> and often we've seen in these past vice presidential debate paps lot of the american public saying why couldn't these guys have been the ones running for president. and they get to play good cop/bad cop. you think they'll be playing the good cop role tonight? >> i think mike pence has to. donald trump was sort of very pessimistic and broad. he's going to be have to be detail oriented and aspirational. he has to give republican voters a reason to turn out. a campaign now filled with -- to make this a more positive campaign but a positive image that could last for -- >> is he able to se

we've got mike pence and tim kaine. both of them, i think, would be characterized as people who tend to be pro-trade and pro-trade deals. you've seen at the top of the ticket, both opposition to tpp by both hillary clinton and donald trump, and bernie sanders was the last person in the democratic primary. you're a pro-trade democrat, a pro-tpp democrat. has your side lost the argument. >> i think that anyone who advocates trade, and i believe, still, that when we're trading with asia, we ought to be setting the rules rather than china. we need to acknowledge that there have been winners and there have been losers in trade. and we as a nation, back to all the previous trade deals, have not done enough to help those communities and individuals that have been hurt by trade. candidly, if we believe our own language about trade, that is going to add $1 trillion to the economy over the next ten years, tpp for example, we ought to be able to do more than frankly a failed trade assistance act program that's -- >> but i feel lik

>> well, senator tim kaine came off as a raging lunatic. he needs to layoff the caffeine and go to decaf. he said he criticized donald trump for saying african americans live in hell. i said that before donald trump did. i said the american ghetto is a hell hole. unless mrs. bill clinton and senator tim kaine think it's okay for blacks to live with entrenched poverty with failing schools and crime infested neighborhoods and mentioned about community policing. community policing will not work where you have an intrenched under class that is culturally dysfunctional. it's a 2 way street. you can't just have a one sided effort by the police. there are a number of things tim kaine doesn't understand policing that i think donald trump and governor pence do. >> i don't think he understands policing and i don't think he understands the economy and the need to vet refugees. i think the differences are profound. that is what comes through here geraldo. >> to sheriff chashg's point about the hell hole, quote, unquote, blacks live in, i don't know whe