largely policy unless you fumly changed to a nonauthor tairian situation in russia. the real problem here is not so much that russia is try fog do es thoo things because frankly the united states of all people, the cia, how hypocritical is it ections, right?ring inbout other the difference is this time there are people in the west, whether in the united states, whether in european countries, who are actually collaborating. >> we continue with andrew ross sorkin's conversation about sports illustrated annual swimsuit issue with mj day and kate upton. >> there was a conversation that was happening after my first cover, is she fat or not. and i think thats that that was literally what the conversation was. and you know, that's-- insane to me that anyone, i mean, honestly, anyone can call me fat, it's fine. but it's insane to me that that is actually something that we're debating. it shouldn't be if i'm fat or not. it should be how i feel. if i feel confident, if i'm proud of my body, if i am at a good place. >> micklethwait: we conclude with my conversation with maggie siff from the sho

communication with russia's ambassador. we are joined by mario calvo platero, the us editor of the italian newspaper il sole 24. platero, the us editor of the know there's news russia has secretly deployed a cruise missile in violation of a major arms treaty. what exactly is vladimir putin of two? what is russia's grand strategy? we are joined by mario calvo platero, the us editor of the italian newspaper il sole 24. also joining are edward epstein, an investigative journalist and gideon rose, editor of foreign affairs magazine with guest host . welcome. gideon, why don't we begin with you. what exactly does russia want with all this? >> there's the crazy stuff going on in russia and all of that but is not crazy.rt it is straightforward. vladimir putin is a ruthless leader of a strong, but not dominant power, trying to advance his own country's interest in whatever way he can. the main thing he is trying to do is resist what he sees as regional encroachment, and he wants to push out on the borders and get compliant border states. and he wants to undermine the liberal order that the u.s. an

had misled the vice president about communication with russia's ambassador. phone records gathered by u.s. intelligence agencies revealed further contacts between the campaign for donald trump and officials from russia last year. today, donald trump warned russia against interfering in their presidential election after the front runner accused moscow of cyber attack, can -- targeting the campaign. and now there is news that russia has deployed a missile in violation of a training. what exactly is what america can to?o that vladimir putin up joining me is the u.s. editor of the italian newspaper -- investigative journalist. edward snowden- the man in the flesh." welcome. n, set the gideo scene. what does russia wants from all of this? >> there is crazy stuff going on, but the russian part is not crazy. it is straightforward. vladimir putin is a ruthless leader of a strong, but not dominant power, trying to advance his own country's interest in whatever way he can. the main thing he is trying to do is resist what he sees as regional encroachment, and he wants to push out on the borde

losing, then russia is the winner? >> yes, i think the europeans are concerned that the russians have an attitude towards them of wanting to split up the eu and split up nato and split up the whole western block. it is clear that is what vladimir putin has been up to. what trump means when he says america first, there are a couple of questions. does he know what america first means? does he know who benefits america most when he is dealing with foreign-policy? today there was an exchange that became public of him asking what the start treaty was. he was having his question with vladimir putin. >> these are reports of an exchange. >> it has been leaked from the white house itself. that is rather interesting. >> people are thinking, ok, america first, fine. perhaps that is something that should be a new kind of alignment for the benefits of america. but does trump know what that means? therefore it becomes an erratic thing that they cannot predict. nobody can put their money in a particular direction because they don't know what he means by america first and they don't think he knows what

this evening with russia and talk to investigative journalist and author tim weiner. >> mr. flynn lied to everyone in the white house up to and including the president. the president concealed those lies from the vice president. mr. flynn got caught in a lie about what he said or did not say to the russian ambassador, mr. putin's man in moscow, and he was shown the exit. this is the reverse of the normal procedure in washington. we know the coverup, it's lying. what's the crime? this is what the f.b.i. wants to know very, very badly. >> hockenberry: we continue with russian scholar kim martin. >> possibly it is putin just trying to test the trump administration to see where they're going. it could also be the putin regime is feeling a little bit uncertain and they want to demonstrate areas where they are strong to try to sort of prevent any uncertainty within the united states from leading to some sort of a strong response against putin. >> hockenberry: we conclude with seth myers interview with author george saunders, book is called "lincoln in the bardo." >> i noticed every time

between the united states and russia. bill: putin's a killer. pres. trump: there are a lot of killers. we've got a lot of killers. what, you think our country is so innocent? you think our country is so innocent? bill: i do not know of any government leaders that are killers. pres. trump: well, take a look at what we've done, too. we have made a lot of mistakes. charlie: vice president mike pence came to the president's defense on cbs's "face the nation," insisting president trump wants to start afresh with president putin. joining me now from washington, julia ioffe of "the atlantic" and with me from new york, amy davidson of "the new yorker." welcome. julia, everybody wants to understand what is the resistance of president trump to criticize or separate out vladimir putin? julia: it is the one thing he has been remarkably consistent on. that, the wall, and who will pay for the wall. but to understand why, we have the intelligence community's report on the hacking of the russian government -- the intelligence community says that they think that the russians hacked our elections to he

mean, do you think, if this is a zero sum gain, if the europeans are losing russia is the winner? >> yes, i think the europeans are most concerned that the russians have a-- an attitude to them of wanting to split up the eu and split up nato. and in effect split up the whole western bloc. and it's pretty clear that that is what putin has been up to. with regard to what trump means when he says america first, i think there is a couple of questions. does he know what america first means. does he know what benefits america most when he's dealing with foreign policy. today there was an exchange that became public of him asking what the stark treaty was when he was having his conversation with putin. >> these are just reports. we haven't actually seen the exchanges but these are reports from the ex-- exchange. >> that would have been leaked by the white house itself. >> seems to be a receive situation. >> so people are thinking okay, america first, fine. perhaps that is something that ought to be a new kind of alignment for the benefits of america. and everyone who is for america. but

many saw as a moral equivalency between the united states and russia. >> putin's a killer. >> a lot of killers. we got a lot of killers, what, you think our country is so innocent? do you think our country is so innocent? >> i don't know of any government leaders that are killers. >> well, take a look at what we've done too. we made a lot of mistakes. >> rose: vice president mike pence came to the president's defense on cbs's "face the nation" insisting president trump wants to start a fresh with president putin. joining me now from washington, julia yafi with the atlantic and with me in new york, amy davidson of "the new yorker." welcome. julia, everybody wants to understand, what is this resistance of president trump to criticize or to separate out vladimir putin? >> yeah, it's the one thing that he has been remarkably consistent on, right? that and the wall and who is going to pay for the wall. but to understand why, you know, there's-- we have the intelligence community's report on the hacking, that allegedly the russian government, the intelligence community said with a high de

assessment of the trump administration's platform in relationship with russia. we talk to julia loffe of the atlantic an evan oses no of the new yorker what he involved was really an outgrowth of a long-standing tradition in soviet intelligence was the idea of active measures, that is where the title of this piece comes from. is that espionage is traditionally about the collection of foreign secrets, about trying to understand and anticipate events based on things that foreign powers don't want you to know and then there is something else. which is a kind of covert action. and that's what active measures were. in this case what we saw was an active attempt to try to shift the course of american plilt kal events. and it succeeded frankerly to a degree that i think russian side really didn't thoroughly anticipate. >> the economy, and foreign policy when we continue. >> funding for charlie rose is provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york

conclude this evening with russia. it is perhaps the biggest foreign-policy uncertainty .acing the trump administration representative darrell issa of california has called for a special prosecutor to investigate reported communications between russians and the trump campaign. meanwhile, president trump rejected reports of his ties to russia in a tweet yesterday. he called it "fake news put out by the democrats and played up by the media." joining me from washington, d.c. is evan osnos of the new yorker. a new cover article titled "active measures." in new york, julie of the atlantic covers politics and world affairs and focuses on russia. i am pleased to have both of them. welcome. evan, your cover, great piece. i think a lot of people are glad you wrote it. probably not the trump administration. what surprises you most when you look at the amount of confrontation that you see between the united states and russia? in this piece, you really unpack what the russians have been up to, particularly in asymmetrical u.s..e against the what comes into this piece you would not have expecte

. aesident trump suggested moral equivalency between the united states and russia. trump: there are a lot of killers. do you think the country is so innocent? bill o'reilly: i do notdo you to know of any government leaders that are killers. trump: we have made a lot of mistakes. charlie: he insisted that president trump wants to start fresh with vladimir putin. -- ing me now welcome. everybody wants to understand what is the resistance of to criticize or separate out vladimir putin. >> it is the one thing he has been remarkably consistent on. and who will pay for it. to understand why, we have the intelligence community reporting russianacking of the government. the intelligence community says that they think that the the election to elect trump and i think there is a fealty there. i think that he just likes the guy. there is an affinity for this .dolescent version of manliness charlie: the horseback did it for him. john claudeig. all, van damme, all of these action heroes. have an example of what makes a manly man and a strong man. leader: he would be a for his country. not for hou

the american military, not save it. jon: we've been talking about russia. what are you hearing about the current state of the congressional inquiries, fbi inquiries? where are we now? andrea: the fbi director comey briefed the intelligence said this would be a really serious inquiry. there were letters written to a number of agencies, including to the white house, saying preserve all materials. do not erase anything, don't shred any papers. this is a serious thing. it is into russia's hacking, russia's involvement before and after the campaign, and after. parenthetically, mike flynn and his contact with the russian ambassador. he's not a target of this, as far as we know, but he's part of the investigation. the russians themselves are reporting from moscow that they are getting a little unnerved by some of the push back now from president trump, some of the signals are not as friendly as they might have wished. as some of the language is moderated. they want to know what is really going on here and what kind of relationship they can predict with president trump. what they are hearing

the american military. >> protect. >> well, we have to talk about russia. andrea what are you hearing about the current state of the congressional inquireries, fbi inquireries, where are we now? >> i think the most important thing that happened is the fact that the fbi director comey last week briefed the intelligence committees and afterwards the committee members said this is going to be a really serious inquirery and then there were letters written to a number of agencies including to the white house saying preserve all materials. do not erase anything, don't shred any papers. this is a serious inquirery. and it is into --a's hacking, russia's involvement before and during the campaign and after. as well as of course par enthetically mike flynn and his contacts with the russian ambassador. that is sort of swept up into it. is he is not a target of this as far as we know. but he is part of the investigation. the russians themselves are reporting from nbc at least from moscow is that the russians are getting a little unnerved by some of the pushback now from president trump, some of

russia investigation is just beginning. >> we continue with tom friedman of the "new york times." >> there's something rather patient and i would say unadult about the chinese in the sense they've seen this before. democrat or republican when i get in i'm going to really give it to them and they get in and understand the real balance of power and they tend to back. >> we conclude this evening with my interview of damien chazelle, director of lawaw land. >> it's like a single statement which i think is hard with a musical movie you're trying to wrangle three things together, dance, music and then the language of the cinema itself. and the old musical make it seems completely cohesive, the vincent manelli is one in a seemingly way, it's him but also a by-product of that musical system. we try to recreate that a little bit and kind of house everyone together for a sustained period of time. >> politics and la la land when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services wo

what the view of the u.s. is going to be toward nato or russia or syria. that's going to be something that i think is going to concern the world until we hear more from this administration. people want the administration to succeed and want president trump to be an important leader of the world and we are just going to have to wait and see. charlie: what can we say about the visits that prime minister may made? george: the most important thing was a speech she to the republican chief. there, she said what i think britain needs to say and other countries to say which is we will be your candid friend. we are not going to seller sells out on attitudes toward russian aggression or free trade. we will tell you where you think you are making your mistake, but we are also your great friend and ally. to have a joint responsibility to fight for the things we care about in the world, freedom, democracy, free trade and enterprise. so let's do that together. charlie: let's go back to brexit. written is leaving the european union. is it article 50? george: unlike the united states constitution whi

eye on and what we've seen is russia enter into syria as you know and you were there with your interview with president putin right when that happened. they went in claiming that they were going to fight isil and help bring syrian conflict to an end. charlie: never did? lisa: neither one of those things materialized. charlie: they also acknowledged they were going in to prop up assad. putin never denied that. he believed there was a necessity for a strong central government. he has an abhorrence of weak central governments, as he described it. lisa: we have not seen a concerted effort against isil. as you know, john kerry worked very hard to try and do that. charlie: a lot of people look at what the russians did and believe that they established their goals, that they were successful in syria. no matter how abhorrent it was to us in terms of what it took to put assad in a stronger position. win-win russia. lisa: i wouldn't quarrel a lot with that. the two caveats i would make to it is they have, as you said, undertaken activities in aleppo, just to name one, of abhorrent behavi

conversation he held in december with the russian ambassador regarding sanctions levied against russia by the obama administration. soon after the interview, acting attorney general sally yates told the white house she believed flynn had misled senior administration officials about his communications with the russian ambassador, including misleading vice president mike pence. joining me now is margaret brennan, the foreign affairs and white house correspondent for cbs news and the man who first report on this, david ignatius from the "washington post care post.""washington a goodwishing charlie recovery. you will be off the bench in no time. it just doesn't stop. did mike flynn have to resign or was forced to resign because of what he said or because he became an embarrassment or both? david: i think it is both. the fact that there was a record, it and intercepted conversation that he had and the transcript would have surfaced in a congressional investigation and now the fact that he was interviewed by the fbi and there was that evidence made this one that, in the end, the white house could n

the whole russia issue, i think he would have loved the putin bashing, loved it, but i think he would have not bought the notion that the russians through the election -- threw the election in any way. i think he would have said that's the responsibility of the hillary campaign. he would have looked at the numbers in michigan, for example, he would have said, they weren't there on the ground, they didn't woo the unions, they didn't do their job. >> i think he would zero in on these threats to and trump have been making about the opposition party, and they said we're going to do something about it, now, that's what would set off all the alarm bells. >> he would love being called the enemy. you see it on cable news, this sort of sanctimonious why are you calling me the enemy thing, i'm just a journalist. he would take it. he would just, oh, i'm the enemy, then?! you would see the spirit come out. >> hockenberry: he would say i am the enemy. >> he would think it is a badge of honor for the press to be attacked in the way that it it . the question would be could the press in general, thos

think it's something to keep an eye on. and what we have seen is russia enter in to syria, as you know, and you were there at the beginning with your interview with president putin, right when that happened. they went in, claiming that they were going to fight isil and help bring the syrian conflict to an end. >> yeah. >> never did it. >> neither one of those things. >> they also acknowledged they were going in to prop up assad. putin never tried to deny that he was going to prop up assad because he believed there was a necessity. >> a necessity for a strong central government. he has an---- weak central government as he described it. >> be that as it may, we never saw and still have not seen a convert-- concerted effort against isil. as you know john kerry worked very hard to try to do that. >> rose: a lot of people look at what the russians did, and believe they accomplished their goals. that they were successful in syria, no matter how abhor ant it is to us in terms of what it took to put assad in a stronger position, when-- russia. >> i wouldn't quarrel a lot with that. the two cav

call? doesn't he go off on his own and tell russia? >> flynn has been a freelancer for a period of time. knewof the reason, if we like putin, like the rest of us have felt about putin, putin is a bad guy who committed that acts, and you place putin with khomeini and say, i really love khomeini and like goodhave relationships with him -- but putin is a dangerous man, isrybody knows he basically playing lots of games with the world -- and so the fact that trump was to love this guy i think bothers a lot of people. >> it should,, though, shouldn't it? >> it should. the reality is if it doesn't, we have a lot to learn to get into a fight with the canadians and mexicans and australians who have been our friends and allies, and people who have not been our friends and allies to try to have a -- with, is absurd. maggie: there has been an effort to try to suggest that trump is somehow influenced by russia. we don't know why he is saying this stuff. he has"playboy" where he said tf raising authoritarians. in 1990 he gave an interview to the chinese it handled well the tiananmen square massa

hocken berry. just ahead, president trump and the intelligence community. russia flexes its muscle. and director damion shazel creates a hollywood fantasy in "la la land." ♪ to any girl who feels some chance the romance but i'm feeling nothing ♪ is that so? good to know so you agree ♪ what a waste of a lovely night >> we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> powerful character. >> rose: is it luck at all, or is it something else? >> it's all internal monologue for him. >> rose: what's the object lesson here. >> going to a town with such purpose. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> this was the week general michael flynn resigned as national security adviser. president trump met with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and at the grammy awards, adele took top honors for both song and album of

conversations with people in russia, it was that he lied to the vice president and had done so more than once. he said, look, to me i do not have a problem with him speaking with russian officials, this is what people do during the transition, they talk to people in other countries, those officials in other countries, which is true. there were obama officials doing that during their transition. but they were not discussing sensitive matters like sanctions against that country. and donald trump mostly batted it away. oddly, he would say, you know, the leaks are true, but the news is fake, essentially to paraphrase him today. on at least one occasion. and that left the reporters scratching their heads. you say, wait a second, in essence you are confirming it, but you are slapping us at the same time for bothering to report it. and it caused a spirited, if not sometimes testy exchanges. what was marvelous about this, what was remarkable about this is it was so freewheeling and it went on for about one hour and 15 minutes. it was unexpected, this was not on the official calendar when th