breitbart ateeded, that point, was money. he needed money to set up breitbart news, which was only sort of a couple of bloggers at that point. amy: and talk about breitbart news, about what the alt-right represented, whether we're talking about anti-semitism or white supremacy and why they were attracted to this. >> it changed. it started as -- andrew breitbart had helped the huffington post get set up. his idea was he was going to lunch the huffington post of the right. andso he was setting it up is very close friend was steve bannon. bannon had been in investment banking. so bannon got the mercers to put $10 million into turning this venture into something that was really going to pack a punch. and they were just about to launch it in a big way. they were a few days away from it when andrew breitbart died. that was in march of 2012. suddenonly 43 and had a massive heart attack. this operation was just about to go big. it was leaderless. that is wednesday bannon stepped in and became the head of breitbart news. in bannon's h

>> breitbart? the internet. you cannot imagine anyone in the president telling him this and no one but the president would know it. >> i find it hard to believe. it would require somebody knowing that the previous had engaged in illegal activity and holding onto that and letting the president know at 6:30 in the morning, i suspected was something that we don't know. it is amazing of how much time we spent deconstructing -- >> there are reports of others making reference to it that donald trump may have picked that up. that maybe what he was talking about. >> that seems to be the timing of where it came from in the day or two beforehand. >>. >> did you expect there comes a time of investigators mechanism that are operating right now? there will be a day where there will be announcement that donald trump is not telling the truth? >> i don't think that's ever going to come. >> what you are going to get is an announcement that says question found no evidence which is the way investigations always end. there is no ev

if you read breitbart and support breitbart and trump, that audience, they speak of speaker ryan as part of the problem, part of the establishment that trump ran to try to destroy, that bannon has said he wants to deconstruct and get rid of. here you have now a familiar enemy for that platform, that audience, in case this goethe south. >> now you have paul ryan responding to breitbart. he just did in an interview with martha over on fox. she asked about this breitbart situation and here's what the speaker said. >> i've got really thick skin, martha. this is ancient history. that was back when that video came out. look, it's no secret donald and i had our ups and downs, the president and i had our ups and downs but we merged forces at the end of the campaign, i campaigned with mike pence, supported donald trump, merged forces and since then we've been working hand in glove together. i have thick skin. this is ancient history. i'm spriy e surprised it's eve . >> surprised. >> interesting about steve bannon is he brought a woman over by the name of julia hahn to work with him in the white h

breitbart? >> i would say believe breitbart. i think breitbart is producing -- >> why should we believe breitbart over what the federal government tells us about possible connections with russia trying to tamper with the election? >> well, possible connections and actual connections are different. >> yes, but when you have the federal government come out and say we are investigating russia potentially tampering with our election, why is an american citizen should you not step back and go i should be worried about that? >> i'm not saying that you shouldn't be worried about it, but there has been ample reporting, ample investigation. the whole world is focused on this story. i'm asking for one piece of hard evidence. >> marlow describes his staff as a mix of reporters and activists. the site often blurring lines between -- >> first of all it's to be a great news site, covering hard-hitting fast paced accurate, always accurate, information. now, where we differ is that we're admittedly right of center. we're a populist nationalist

and then you do have the breitbart attack on the bill. the audience for that breitbart attack is donald trump. and i don't believe for a minute honestly that breitbart is doing this with no regard to steve bannon. and i haven't seen steve bannon incidentally volunteer to come on tv on your show and any other and say i denounce breitbart, i'm with trump and ryan. how come he's not out there? they want to save the trump presidency from this trap that paul ryan has led them into. i think with rudy and breitbart, i really wonder what donald trump is saying on this phone call and what donald trump decides over the next few days. >> and robert costa, the point kasie hunt made, how would trump, how was donald trump square some of the things he said on the campaign trail where he separated himself from some of the paul ryan conservative orthodoxy, saying hey, i don't to want touch medicaid. i don't to want touch medicare. i don't to want touch social security. social security not really a part of this, but just basically a defense of the social s

mainstream media, the federal government, breitbart -- >> i would say believe breitbart. i think breitbart is producing -- >> reporter: but why should we believe breitbart over what the federal government tells us about possible connections with russia trying to tamper with the election? >> well possible connections and actually connections are different. >> reporter: yes, but when you have the federal government come out and say we are investigating russia, potentially tampering with our election, why is an american should you not step back and go, i should be worried about that? >> oh, i'm not saying you shouldn't be worried about it, but there has been ample reporting, ample investigation, the entire world has been focussed on this story. and i'm just asking for one piece of hard evidence. >> reporter: he describes his staff as a mix of both reporters and activists. the site often blurring lines between news and opinion. what is your mission? >> first of all, just to be a great news site. covering hard-hitting, fast-paced, accurate, always accurate information. now, wh

i think he's been citing breitbart. and i read that breitbart report and there's some interesting things in it there's nothing about tapping president's phone. is the breitbart phone, if the fbi did ask for a fisa warrant on a campaign, a guy working for trump, that's something different. why did they do it, what was the probable cause. but you know, getting into the bottom of this, he's making accusations he cannot prove. >> and just on that note, sorry to cut you off there. he sent this tweet this morning. said he just learned presumably he's not getting an intelligence briefing early on a saturday morning. so it does appear, betsy that this information came from the breitbart report or a right-wing radio talk show host. it appears once again he's relying on the right-wing media reports to make these allegations. the last time i recall it was about sweden in a fox news report it was all about attacks in sweden. do you think this is reckless? >> we know exactly what his media diet is like. he reads a lot of breitbart.

from breitbart? >> that is a mystery in washington. whether bannon is ever talking with editors a breitbart, whether he's ever feeding information. there's been stories at various times bannon's been angry about the coverage on breitbart, some are saying clearly there's some connection here, we don't know for sure if there's a relationship or not. the deconstruction of the administrative state, i think that's the overlying or the underlying story. whether it's president trump's budget or this health care fight, it's what conservatism means, for those who are relying on trump to provide better health care. >> bannon being named the enemy and heard paul ryan say this about bannon. >> we're serving a purpose which is to get this agenda passed. so i see a person who i have a common cause and purpose with. >> so it's kind of interesting, what do you make of their relationship and how they have worked to present it to the media? >> you've got bannon, ryan and trump, the "new york times" said marriage of co

why is breitbart posting of this now? joining me is kurt bardell, a former spokesman for breitbart. thanks for joining us. it is a simple question. why is breitbart posting this video highlighting a split between speaker ryan and the president? why are they posting it now? >> i think what you're seeing is a continuation of a long campaign that started at breitbart before president trump was elected. an objective steve bannon made very clear that he perceived paul ryan to be the enemy. their objective was to take him down. around the same time this happened, breitbart published a story alleging paul ryan was work with hillary clinton to get her elected. you're seeing a continuation with that with the purpose of setting up paul ryan to be the fall guy for when this health care plan fails. >> paul ryan to be the fall guy for when this health care plan fails. that's what people were looking at after the cbo report came out. breitbart posted this maybe to set paul ryan up frp something. and steve bannon. until a few months ago, he was running breitbart. are we to believe that bannon has

the breitbart brings them all together. and heat street. they have two sources with links to the counterintelligence community. that's it. anonymous sources. the president constantly says he doesn't like anonymous sources. and he doesn't like leakers. >> i love how anonymous sources don't count when it's something that's positive in this administration and against the former one. you guys use anonymous sources every single day. >> is that the bar? but it is the president -- yes, yes, we do. yes, we do. but the president believe this is -- but what's the bar there? what does the president believe? >> look, i think he's made very clear what he believes. he's asking that we get down to the bottom of this. let's get the truth here. let's find out. i think the bigger story is not who reported it but is it true? i think the american people have a right to know if this happened. because if it did, again this is the largest abuse of power that i think we've ever seen. >> okay. let me just say one more time. the president said, i bet a good lawyer c

the federal government, breitbart? >> i would say believe breitbart. >> reporter: but why? why should we believe breitbart over what the federal government tells us about possible connections with hush sha trying to tamper with the election? >> possible connections and actual connections are different. >> reporter: yes. but when you have the federal government come out and say, we are investigating russia, potentially tampering with the election, why as an american citizen, say, i should be worried about that? >> i'm not saying you shouldn't be worried about it. but there's been ample reporting, ample investigation. the entire world has been focused on this story. and i'm asking for one piece of hard evidence. >> reporter: marlow describes his staff as a mix of reporters and activists. the site often blurring lines between news and opinion. what is your mission? >> first of all, to be a great news site. covering hard-hitting, fast-pace, accurate, always accurate, information. now, where we differ is that we're admittedly right of center. we're a populist, nationalist, grass

andrew breitbart dies. steve bannon does a lot, i think, to rectify the health of the financial health of breitbart and expands its platform quite dramatically. and also, what i get into in the piece, which i found interesting, is that quite a few of the republican consultants i talked to mention that steve bannon often appeared dressed like a homeless person. in fact -- william: he still kind of looks like it. vicky: he wears a suit and a tie, but, you know, the first you have photographs seen is of him in his track .ants and all disheveled one of ted cruz's political consultant said to me very , a brilliant strategy in this very strange kind of rubik's cube like world of uncomfortable codependency dependencies that make up the political world, because if you are a political want the donors who you are so reliant on to just focus on your brain, to your -- you know, on your strategy. you don't want to be looking at your cufflinks, or how you eat. that can make a huge difference. they can abandon you because

why did breitbart release there a audio from last fall now? what's the point? >> the point is to separate donald trump from paul ryan, drive a wedge between ryan and trump and perhaps to give trump, president trump an out on trump car cair, you know, as it becomes increasingly obviously, this is probably a non-starter, the trump folks, you know, i think are very, very likely to look for an exit strategy. because they don't want to own the failure. the best way to do that is to separate himself from this. make it ryancare and throw paul ryan under the bus and end -- the reality is this is the one consistent theme of breitbart over the years, which is hatred of paul ryan, they did everything possible to beat paul ryan last year. there's been no love lost. steve bannon made it absolutely clear that one of his missions was to destroy paul ryan. so i think you are seeing that playing t. >>ll right. well to play on that theme of being a cheesehead, you and i are both cheeseheads, so is paul ryan. but so is steve bannon's almost his office mate reince priebus chief of

>> and on breitbart, let me ask you this, you know steve bannon a bit, right? >> yes. >> what do you think he sees in this series of events? is this in steve bannon'sind the success that he speaks directly to the president and also has a website he used to run that can put out the ideas or worries that this is back firing? any sense of that? >> i feel like in steve's mind, breitbart is a propaganda platform controlled by the white house. and that whatever you see on the pages of breitbart on any given day are really the inner thoughts and agenda for what bannon wants this president's administration to look like. >> governor dean? >> i think that's right. i think we call him president bannon. trump is really disorganized. he's got all kinds of psychological problems, i think. certainly very talented, i think, in reading crowds. but i think bannon is the dominant force in trump's brain. and i think that's a major problem because bannon, i think, lives in an alternative universe. >> right. and that's where you see this overlap on the idea that information, allegat

>> i think they're more, they call breitbart the white house pravida. they are saying trumps that the reality. if he says he has the largest crowd, spicer says, yes,s, no one questions. you don't hear that many people on the hill coming right out and questioning trump's version of reality. >> he says he likes the new york post, too. >> i think that's problemmatic. the "national enquirer" has been around in supermarket aisles for years and decades, i think this idea of whether or not we can trust what the oval office is saying, whether or not sean spicer, kellyanne conway will say tough or put things like i like they're committed by undocumented immigrants, if they will clang the idea that you could become alternative facts, because there are people in this country that absolutely believe everything that fox news tells them, that absolutely believes everything that donald trump -- and that's where you get alternative facts. >> those facts ends up if breitbart and "the national enquirer" they get out that way, so they become the universal thinking of a ce

there is something interesting on the breitbart news website. the architect and chief, paul ryan, in october saying he was not going to back donald trump all the way. what do you make of the timing? isaac: it is not a coincidence. clearly this is something that has been held for the right strategic moment to go after ryan. , used to beitbart run by steve bannon, now donald in the chief strategist white house. he has severed his connection to breitbart, but hired people that work on the website. there is a lot of connection. it is hard to see where the lines are exactly between breitbart, the white house, donald trump. is this donald trump attacking ryan. is this breitbart on its own? it gets into the potentially toxic mix for everyone involved. laura: is the president going to want to own the bill if he thinks he thinks it can't get through in its current form? have not seen donald trump in this position where he is now the president. he is not on the sidelines. he is going to be pinned into a position. is he for or against this bill. what is he

and that does play out in the pages of breitbart sometimes. we have voices that are more skeptical and voices that are more supportive. >> since you were the author of the article that supposedly triggered the president's tweet that said obama had me wiretapped, did you overright write that? >> did you overwrite this issue? did you unintentionally mislead the president about -- >> i see what you're asking. no, the story about how this article was written is i was washing dishes listening to mark eleven's show earlier in the day. i had seen the articles and no one had put the case together that way. i reported the way he put it together and added the historical events that happened in between to basically show that the government you should the obama administration had done some surveillance of individuals close to trump or computer server in trump tower and that somehow the result of -- >> none of that had been confirmed. you haven't confirmed. it was speculation. we have been trying to confirm some of this and we never had. >> "the new york t

certainly not ancient history for breitbart. and breitbart, by the way, has shown some signs of being willing to sort gf its own way, even go against the trump administration, despite the wishes of steve bannon. that said, given the close ties steve bannon has to that media outlet, it's very hard to imagine there isn't some sort of conversation going on. there isn't some sort of directive to continue the attacks on paul ryan in a way that might benefit or might at least deflect some of the negative attention that's going towards the president. >> though the white house has said and will say that steve bannon has cut all ties with breitbart and that's where things stand now. >> they will most certainly say that. >> great to see you, dillon. >>> coming up for us, the wiretap walkback. no, not a new dance move. it's what the white house seems to be doing right now. you could also call it the air quote defense as they work to defend president trump's accusation that president obama wiretapped him. details on that ahead. >>> plus, se

andrew breitbart dies, steve think, tos a lot, i rectify the health of the financial health of breitbart and expand the platform. in theo, what i get into piece, which i found interesting, is that quite a few of the republican consultants i talked to mention that steve often appeared dressed like a homeless person -- william: he still kind of looks like it. vicky: he wears a suit and a tie, but, you know, the first glance you see of him is in his trump-pence, all disheveled, -- track pants, all disheveled. a very brilliant strategy in this very strange kind of rubik's cube like world of uncomfortable codependency dependencies that make up the political world, because if you are a political consultant you want the donors you are so reliant on to just focus on your brain, to what is your strategy. you don't want to be looking at your cufflinks. or how you eat. that can make a huge difference. they can abandon you because of things like that. turning out looking like a homeless person may have worked extremely well for steve bannon. thatam: let us that that the little bit because i think re

we talked about the breitbart article. this is the article from friday about mentioning some of the things mark was talking about. that radioon friday radio host use his show to outline the steps taken by barack obama's administration in his last month to undermine donald trump's presidential campaign and his new administration. you can read all of that story at breitbart.com. tweeting about president obama and russia this morning. we will show that to you in just a moment. here it is now. donald trump tweeting half an hour ago. lansing, north carolina, on our democrat line. good morning. caller: yes, is that all donald trump is going to do while he is president? tweet somebody about something? i think hitler's is his daddy while you do a dna test akin too see if he was heather because he is acting like he did. host: let us hear from sue also on our democrats line. caller: yes, hi. thanks for taking my call. the first thing i want to say is that actions speak louder than tweets. last time i checked, u.s. citizens have the

>> i would say believe breitbart. i tnk breitbart is -- >> but why? why should we believe breitbart over what the federal government tells us about possible connections with russia tampering with the election? >> possible connections and actual connections are different. >> yes, but when the federal government says we are investigating russia, tampering with our election, why, as an american citizen not step back and say i should be worried about that? >> i'm not saying you shouldn't be worried. there's ample reporting and investigation. the world is focused on the story. i'm asking for one piece of hard evidence. >> he describes his staff as a mix of reporters and activists. the site blurring lines between news and opinion. what is your mission? >> first of all, just to be a great news site. covering hard hitting, fast paced, accurate, always accurate information. now, where we differ is that we are admittedly right of center. we are a pop list, nationalist, grass roots conservative website. >> what is breitbart's position on immigration? >> we don't

and if anything, my understanding is bannon is completely separate from breitbart now and the timing of this is coincidental given where we are with the health care debate. but, look, ryan is completely not indicating any type of desire to budge when it comes to health care and it could be possibly that breitbart feels that someone else, a member of the freedom caucus might be better suited to help push this health care legislation through. >> are you trying to undermine him and lay the groundwork for a more friendly speaker? i saw -- i'll give you a chance, i know you were shaking your head. >> i guess i'm just too old, jaded and cynical to believe in coincidences in washington at this point. look, i think it's a warning shot across the bow for paul ryan. if you change the words donald trump to paul ryan's health care plan, you could hear donald trump saying that. i'm nl going to defend paul ryan's health care plan. i'm going to do what i think is best for americans. i'm going to do what i think is best for my members. so, you know, i think that this is donald trump, breitbart, the

breitbart posted some of ryan's audio comments about trump from a conference call back in october. >> there are basically two things that i want to make clear. i am not going to defend donald trump. not now and not in the future. you guys know i have real concerns of this nominee. many of you on this are facing tough reelections. with respect to donald trump, i would encourage you do what's best and do what you feel you need to do. >> it is not the first time breitbart has called out paul ryan here and some previous greatest hit headlines. >> paul ryan is the reason that gop is losing america. he's with her. paul ryan, yes, i have a soul. our panel remains with me. >> robert costa, it is your new reporting that started all of this off. what's going on between the white house and which elements of the white house and the speaker. >> on the service, the relationship is cordial and professional between the white house and the speaker. the president had a 4:00 call today with speaker ryan. there are a lot of forces. we talk about the freedom causes and congress. my colleague really zoned

indications the fbi reviewing web traffic for breitbart. we have an explainer on how these intel investigations actually work. >>> then the other story this week. family conflict. how the white house is dubbing those anti-nepotism laws to give ivanka trump a promotion. nepotism in the government. all coming up here on "the point" tonight. >>> tensions boiling over after the major health care defeat splashed across the headlines, civil war and dealmaker who could not close. what does it mean for battles in congress tomorrow? trump digging in to attack fellow republicans, not democrats. a risky strategy given the support he needs for republican plans on tacks and immigration. trump attacking the conservative freedom caucus and reince priebus doubling down on that civil war. >> i think the president is 100% correct and hits the bull's eye in that tweet like he often es. >> bull's eye, a twist that can only come from trump white house. recommendation have his aides on defense. you might have heard a tweet people should watch a fox news show rig

and the fact that breitbart has unprecedented access into the white house. the diversity of sources is another question there. how broad of a range of opinion is the president taking? >> another example is the sweden story. that coming from "fox & friends", from the previous day as well. very interesting. thank you very much for joining us this sunday morning. >>> and a new u.s. immigration crackdown is raising emotions on both sides of the issue. some call the trump administration's efforts cruel, but the man you're about to meet supporters deporting undocumented immigrants. he lost his teenage son to murder at the hands of one of them. >> reporter: donald trump made jamiel shaw sr. a promise. has mr. trump as president kept his promise? >> yes, he told me my is only's life would not in vain. >> reporter: president trump said he'd do whatever he could to prevent other families from experiencing what the shaws did. how did you find out that your son had been shot? >> i heard it, i heard the gunshot. i just knew. i remember saying damn. >> reporter: in 2008 h

they are using them to advance breitbart's ajane d. you have outside interest like russia who can read them too. have a secret weird meeting with julian assange who left and right have once considered him to be some sort of fighter for freedom and transparency. but they too could read donald trump's weaknesses and use them? >> absolutely. joy, this is one of the things that bothers me so much about the administration. there is this -- they don't admit to anything unless they're actually expose and the facts are presented to them. one of the biggest things that concerns me, something as simple as foreign contact, you go back to sessions for example. perhaps the meeting with the ambassador was innocuous but the failure to disclose it, flynn, the failure to dloez, these are things that these people should know better and the fact that they are not disclosing it up front to me that is perhaps a clear indication when you hide those things when you make a concerted effort to not disclose that, it's very -- could be something that's perfectib

you know, andrew breitbart dies. steve bannon does a lot, i think, to rectify the health of -- the financial health of breitbart and expands its platform. also what i get into the piece which i find very interesting is that quite a few of the republican consultants i talked to mentioned that steve bannon, he often appeared at the white house as a homeless person. >> cohan: he still looks almost like a homeless person. >> well, he wears a suit and a tie. but a number of times he was seen in his track pants and all disheveled. one of ted cruz's political consultants said that's actually a very brilliant strategy in this very strange sort of rubik's cube world of uncomfortable co-dependies that makes up the political world because if you are a political consultant, you want the donors who you are so reliant on to just focus on your brain, on your strategy. you don't want them suddenly looking at your cuff links, or how you eat a bread roll. that can make a huge difference. they can abandon you because of things like tha

from what we know, this is based on user reports and breitbart news, some radio show hosts and that's it. this is not something that's norm normal, this is not something we see all the time and this is part of an unprecedented and unusual presidency. >> now that our own jeff zeleny talked to an administration official with the trump campaign saying, and back there with the trump camp blindsided not knowing that the president and how messy does it look for the white house? >> ongoing investigation into the connections trump advisors and this comes main that contex and many people wondering just how controlled this president is and now you're hearing divisions within the inner circles and these statements seem to suggest that some national security officials working for the president are not comfortable with the kind of allegations he just made. this is difficult moment for this presidency. two >> two instances he may have been inspired by news reports, wiretapping, perhaps inspired by conservative media outlets and then even just a couple of weeks ago with sweden. him possibly being in

that's what breitbart news is. they have a face of, you know, a news organization, but for them to put that out, to attack a former sitting president with that accusation, you'd better come loaded for bear and have all the facts in a row. >> it's an undisciplined rant or trying to draw attention away from the sessions recusarecusal? >> i think it's an undisciplined rant. anything we've seen about donald trump those of you think he's crazy like a fox, no. he's not a fox. he's, he just sees things and he reacts to them. this does not, this damages the intelligence process, both of our agencies, you know, agencies that we may have worked at, we're having to put, sit there every day, put out high quality product that we think is going to be used to keep the people of the united states protected and then we get this. >> mike, you've been sitting patiently. we talk all the time about this presidency losing credibility, this white house losing credibility, both at home and overseas, in a case like this, where this is such

he ran bio sphere 2 for a while and produced movies and obviously breitbart. i was trying understand who he was and where the viewpoints came from. and what he points to is his father who despite the sort of chaos and drama of steve's own life his father worked 50 years at the same company at at&t with a high school education. his grandfher worked for 48 years at t same company. so it knd of had this mythology, at&t did. his father put his savings in the company stock when options were made available to employees and he put those away for his kids future and the stocks took a hit in the 2008 crash and leads us to trump today. >> economic nationalism is the term he uses but his critics say white nationalism. is there a racial component to it? >> he denies any racial motivation here at all. you know, he is obviously referred to as breitbart as a platform for the alt-right which does have some racial aspects to it. but you know, what he -- talking to his father and his friends, that's something that they also want to push back on, quickly. i was sort of less inte

we had kurt bardella on a little bit ago that used to work for breitbart. he thinks this is breitbart trying to blame paul ryan for what they predict will be the failure of the bill. >> you go back to 2016, breitbart was highly critical of paul ryan. one writer at one point, julia hawn, wrote that paul ryan and hillary clinton share a progressive globalist world view which is at odds with america's trump first approach. julia hawn now works in the white house with steve bannon who used to run the website. so, clearly, somebody taped this call and they are releasing it right now to put incredible amount of pressure on paul ryan to cave into conservative demands. >> the timing is fascinating and bardella thinks breitbart would do it without bannon's support from inside the white house. no way to prove that one way or another. i just talked to mo brooks, congressman from alabama a few minutes ago who had been opposed to the republican plan to repeal and replace the bill. he calls it the biggest republican welfare plan in history. i was wondering if his opposit

charlie: breitbart is supposed to paul ryan, correct? robert: they are, and they used to be run by steve bannon. charlie: but where was bannon? was he overruled or was he saying some thing else? robert: i call them the bannonistas, the people at breitbart who are his friends. they are certainly against the speaker. inside the white house, bannon is more intriguing because he has to be careful. he has been careful and he has not built to any kind of campaign inside the white house against ryan. bannon went to the house on thursday night last week and said, i want a list of who is with trump and he was against trump on health care. the leaders said, this makes us uncomfortable. and that is where they had a break. charlie: that is what? robert: where they had a break between ryan and benin. they did not want to vote on a bill that would fail. everyone knows the vote is going to fail, you have votes fall even further on the floor, so they might have only had 150 votes. the present talk to into having made a statement that he wanted to put it

but now breitbart is rearing its ugly head again. all of a sudden, just out of nowhere, some audio of paul ryan has been put out by breitbart, the conservative website that was run by steve bannon. i'm sure he had nothing to do with this, but here it is. paul ryan right after the "access hollywood" scandal where donald trump said those lewd things about grabbing women by their private parts to billy bush. here is the tape of paul ryan shortly after that "access hollywood" video aired and horrified a lot of people. take a listen. >> there's basically two things i want to make really clear, i am not going to defend donald trump. not now, not in the future. you guys know i have real concerns with the nominee. is it going to be a turbulent month? many of you on this call are facing tough re-elections, some of you are not. but with respect to donald trump, i would encourage you to do what you think is best and do what you feel you need to do. >> all right. breitbart releasing that audio, just happens to be today. does anybody think it's c

and then we can show the breitbart headline that came as a result of that. a far right web site, of course, run by steve bannon until recently, bannon now trump's chief strategist and the breitbart story tried to elaborate and take it a few steps further. that breitbart article was passed around, circulated in the west wing on friday. apparently, trump was infuriated and perhaps the tweet storm today as a result. >> clear, brian, those claims have not been substantiated, right? >> and far from it. there have been reports and i think we should be clear about this, there have been reports from other news outlets that there were attempts to tap to listen in on the phone calls of certain trump aides or people close to president trump. you might call them associates. that was attempted in the summer and the tal befofall before the election. there's those reports circulated and not independent lly confirm those reports to the best of my knowledge but isn't is it possible they were listening in the course of the investigation but that's not what the president said

troubling -- who created breitbart is incredible troubling. host: a new report in "usa today." guest: governor cuomo has been great on these issues. and theye been jcc's schools and our offices targeted -- day schools and our offices targeted. they are targeted jewish cemeteries in st. louis -- the jewish community has dealt with anti-semitism for ages. we have seen cemeteries metallized in the past. we have seen synagogues defaced in the past. we've never seen a pattern like this. whether it is copycats or one person choreographing it, the intensity of it is incredibly troubling. es in texas. democrat. caller: i'm a 71-year-old white male with advanced degrees in human behavior -- i strongly oppose israeli policy towards palestinians. why is it i am constantly labeled and has anti-semitic? i've been part of the civil rights movement since i was in high school. guest: i don't know who is labeling you anti-semitic or not. there are people who might disagree with policies of the israeli government. there are plenty of people in the jewish commun

breitbart also the former home of the president's chief strategist, steve bannon. and there's a tenuous balancing act between conservatives and centrists inside the republican party. some far-right members hardly sounding anywhere near compromise. >> the fact that the republican welfare plan is not as bad as obamacare does not mean that it's good. >> reporter: and republican senators from states that expanded medicaid under president obama calling for a total rewrite. but the white house making clear this is the only game in town. and it's not or never. >> this is the only vehicle that seeks to achieve what people on our side of the aisle have been talking about since 2010. this is it. >> reporter: wolf, that's a very similar message to what you hear from house leaders, but there did appear to be a split today. press secretary sean spicer saying that they were in negotiations with house republicans about substantive changes to the bill throughout the process in the house. i can tell you, in speaking with house republican leadership aides, they say no such changes a

levin's allegation got picked up by breitbart and the rest i suppose is history. the president's claim has since been shot down by a spokesperson for president obama as well as james clapper, who is obama's former director of national intelligence. according to "the new york times," fbi director himself james comey asked the department of justice to put out a statement publicly rejecting the president's wiretap claim, notably the doj led of course by jeff sessions has declined to comply with comey's request. and according to sarah huckabee sanders, the president doesn't put much stock in comey's reputation. >> does president trump accept the fbi director's denial? >> you know, i don't think he does, george. i think he firmly believes that this is a story line that has been reported pretty widely by quite a few outlets. >> i'm joined now by robert costa, national political report for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst. and bob, let me start with this. i was following your coverage rapt over the weekend because you seemed to have a sort of inside line

. >> you write about the breitbart wing, and bannon and miller being a part of this, do you consider this breitbart versus the washington wing, sessions obviously very much a washington player. >> now he's the attorney general, but he was always sort-of a political outsider because his beliefs did not track with established republicans, and he -- i would describe him as part of this breitbart wing of the administration, he certainly people in his office literally had very close relationships with breitbart writers and with bannon himself. >> he's someone who has in a way that steve bannon has -- do they in your estimation share this idea of the changing demographics and immigration into the u.s. not being something they find positive? because it seems like sessions has this background of opposing immigration, not just illegal immigration. >> i would definitely say sessions and bannon share this sort of protectionalist vision for the u.s. i don't know whether their views certainly dovetail with each other but certainly a lot of resonance how they view the immigration issue. >> thank y