if nato countries made their full and complete contributions, then nato would be even stronger than it is today. especially from the threat of terrorism. i want to extend my appreciation to the 9/11 memorial and museum in new york for contributing this remnant of the north tower, as well as to chancellor merkel and the german people for donating this portion of the berlin wall. it is truly fitting that these two artifacts now reside here, so close together, at the new nato headquarters. and i never asked once what the new nato headquarters cost. i refused to do that. but it is beautiful. each one marks a pivotal event in the history of this alliance and in the eternal battle between good and evil. on one side, a testament to the triumph of our ideals over a totalitarian communist ideology, bent on the oppression of millions and millions of people. on the other, a painful reminder of the barbaric evil that still exists in the world and that we must confront and defeat together as a group, as a world. this twisted mass of metal reminds us not only of what we have lost, but also what fore

the nato leader. as we await that we reflect for a moment with our colleague bret baier in washington, d.c. bret, good morning, welcome back from your trip overseas. you think about the contrails of this trip already, bret. this was a trip that was not a formality. this was a trip that was designed and established with deliberate intent and a message starting from the first location. and that was riyadh, saudi arabia. just reflect on that and what this administration and this president is trying to perhaps sell and lead to these leaders today. >> i think it is a big picture 30,000 foot look at how this administration sees big things that could potentially happen. you know, peace between israelis and palestinians. is it a long way off? of course. but it is aspirational. the images of the first three stops, the fact that the saudis were the first stop and then the image of the president on the western wall with his hand praying. and then meeting the pope yesterday. the three major religions. and those t

let's talk a bit about nato again. for those who remember, nato was ofated because of the danger the soviet union. soviet union ceased to exist, and nato splashed around, trying to figure out a reason to be. that is notecord too good. for example, in libya when gadhafi was operating in libya, there was a global movement and gadhafi made some pretty strong assertions that he would wipe thesee rebel movement -- un securityto the council and the un security council gave them permission to create a no-fly zone. however, nato -- once they have that crack in the dike, without authorization from the u.n., they decided they would go about regime change. , andassassinated gadhafi look at the mess that we have in libya today. nato does not have an excellent conclude myi would remarks, gentlemen, with the fact that anybody that thinks russia is going to start invading other parts of europe needs to have their heads examined. what the biggest danger in i doe is is terrorism and not see nato being qualified in many respects to comb

if nato countries made their full and complete contributions, then nato would be even stronger than it is today, especially from the threat of terrorism. i want to extend my appreciation to the 9/11 memorial and museum this remnant of the north tower as well as to chancellor merkel and the german people for donating this portion of the berlin wall. it is truly fitting that these two artifacts now reside here so close together at the new nato headquarters. and i never asked once what the new nato headquarters cost. i refuse to do that, but it is beautiful. each one marks a pivotal event in the history of this alliance and in the eternal battle between good and evil. on one side, a testament to the triumph of our ideals over a totalitarian communist ideology bent on the oppression of of millions and millions of people. on the other, a painful reminder of the barbaric evil that still exists in the world and that we must confront and defeat together as a group, as a world. this twisted mass of metal reminds us not only of what we have lost but also what forever endures -- the courage of ou

nato's nuts. nato should pay their bills and maybe if they pay their bills, you know, they don't have to worry about the united states. how many times have we bailed them out? world war i, world war ii. we kept russia and stalin from encroaching war. that's the last thing that they have. they're like they're whack jobs. they're total whack jobs in europe. host: ok. and bloomberg politicians has a map showing just which nato allies are paying what. it points out that five countries including the u.s. which is paying about 3.6% of g.d.p. for defense. the u.k., poland, greece and estonia are at the 2% or higher mark whereas many other countries including germany and france and romania and turkey, all below that mark. some like spain fall below the 1% mark in terms of spending of shared defense. isabella is on the line on a democratic line in massachusetts. hi. caller: tism thank you so much for c-span. and i would say that the biggest story would be the meeting between donald trump and the pope. and

if nato countries made their full and complete contributions, then nato would be even stronger than it is today, especially from the threat of terrorism. i want to extend my appreciation to the 9/11 memorial and museum in new york for contributing this remnant of the north tower, as well as to chancellor merkel and the german people for donating this portion of the berlin wall. it is truly fitting that these two artifacts now reside here so close together at the new nato headquarters. and i never asked once what the new nato headquarters cost. i refuse to do that. but, it is beautiful. each one marks a pivotal event in the history of this alliance and in the eternal battle between good and evil. on one side, a testament to the triumph of our ideals over a totalitarian communist ideology bent on the oppression of millions and millions of people. on the other, a painful reminder of the barbaric evil that still exists in the world and that we must confront and defeat together as a group, as a world. this twisted mass of metal reminds us not only of what we have lost, but also what forever

you had strong support for nato. a push on nato defence spending. wouldn't it have been use to have have heard that directly from the president? well, i'm not sure that they didn't hear that directly. i think people are parting words too much. what i think the president is trying to do though is to keep the focus on european contributions and commit am to nato. the us is under a microscope here in the words he uses. we are actually doing the most of the nato efforts and the european allies are not. he is trying to keep the focus on them. it's no secret that nato leaders have been nervous about mr trump's presidency. when he talks about spending he doesn't pull his punches. but take a look at the reaction of some of the european leaders as he lectures them from the podium. if all nato members had spent just 2% of their gdp on defence last year, we would have had another $119 billion for our collective defence and for the financing of additional nato reserves. they don't like be lectured. that is clear from that body languagelj would clear from that b

ashley: what a modern-day nato looks like. charles: what a modern-day nato looks like. this is a big deal. this will probably be the most critical part of president trump's trip which thus far has been extraordinarily successful. colonel shaffer, we're looking at president trump, angela merkel, they just both greeted macron who is theras well. wh are your though? we know that germany's interests, france's interests are not the same as america's on a whole lot of key issues here? >> right. there has been a competition, if you will, with the eu the eu, led by germany and merkel is attempting to do something called the european army. i always grin when i say it. like politicians with soldiers hmmm. what could go wrong? and that is what is exactly going on here. the whole concept is basically they want a separate european army which does european bidding. kind of like, no, i think redundant what nato is supposed to do. nato is the organization, condominium, the collective security organization that does that job. frankly put, i put in england, i visited warwick university,

ambassador to nato tells us how the other countries and nato feel about that when we return. i count on my dell small business advisor for tech advice. with one phone call, i get products that suit my needs and i get back to business. ♪ ♪ ayou don't have to choose just one thing. choose your trio with any 3 of 9 selections for $15.99. like new creamy lobster pasta toasted parmesan shrimp and southern-style crab cakes. come create your trio before it ends. >> jenna: a fox news alert. president trump repairs for a working dinner with the leaders of our narrow allies, he wants the nato members to share the cost of defense. the >> will agree to establish a new terrorism intelligence coalition here at nato headquarters, improving how we share intelligence, including all foreign fighters. this is not just about cash, but also about capabilities and meaningful contributions to nato's missions, operations, and engagements. joining us now, former u.s. ambassador to nato. what a great day to have you on our program. thank you very much. >> great to be here. >> jenna: i'm curious ab

it's the only time that nato has invoked the attack on one is an attack on all and the nato countries coming together after 9/11 to protect the united states by extension of this core belief of nato. so there will be that ceremony as well, and waiting to hear how president trump addresses nato in this moment after manchester, and also with the tensions that certainly exist. chris? >> thank you so much, kelly o'donnell. i want to bring in "the washington post" national security reporter devlin barrett. obviously in any other circumstance, where you didn't have a terror attack and these questions about leaks, russia would always be at the top of the nato agenda, but your big headline this morning from "the washington post" is how a dubious russian document influenced the fbi's handling of the clinton probe. talk to us about this document and the pivotal role it played in the investigation. >> right, so the document is something the fbi received in march of 2016 at the height of the campaign and it claimed through a couple layers of hearsay that there was a secret agreement by then attor

nato's new headquarters will be the future point of reference of nato, a modern building like the building of this headquarters is a reference to the future. however, if we are to find convincing answers for the future, it is good to remind ourselves of what we have achieved in the past. nd what we can build on. this fragment of the berlin ll embodies the history that during the cold war had left its mark on nato for many decades. however, this wall also symbolizes something that has been a determinant factor for my life for many years. because i lived on the eastern side of the wall. and it is the division of berlin, it is an expression of , e fact that if we stand firm as this nato, if we can rely on the courage of our friends from entral and eastern europe, and then we can bring down a wall and make it something to be remembered. our alliance is united in the awareness of the importance to cooperate between freedom and we also are united in the trust that it is not isolation and the building of walls that is make us successful, but open societies that share the same values. ladies and g

not paying their fair share to nato. what is the meeting going to be like considering all of that? reporter: for the public, this is a short summit, only three hours. it is designed to be a display of harmony and unity across the atlantic, but behind closed doors, donald trump, the new president might ask for more money as he always does when he meets allies, and the allies will patiently explain again and again that they are already on track to meet the spending goals nato set for its members. there are no dues or debt to be repaid because nato does not work in that way. nato has no common budget, there are no fees you have to pay. nato will hope that donald trump might understand this. brent: reports emerging today that nato will join, will formally join the anti-isis coalition. what are the tasks for nato within that coalition, do we know? reporter: the tasks for nato would actually not change. nothing would change on the ground, because you have to recall this anti--isis coalition has 60+ members. the european union

proceedings and they involve nato members as well as non-nato members. countries that have a close association with nato. the essentialring decisions have been made. they are going to be formalized during this rather in. montenegro asof the latest member, that was basically agreed before. it's going to be announced during this gathering. this is not really a moment to set in stone. nato's future direction. that's why we not expecting a final communique as is normally the case with a full-scale summit. keeping us up-to-date from brussels. thank you. ahead of president trump's meeting at nato headquarters in brussels, hundreds took to the streets of the belgian capital in protest of his visit. a group carried banners saying stop trump, save the planet. this is in reference to his earlier claims that global warming is in fact a hoax. next, troops have been deployed to government buildings after violence erupted during mass protests calling for the president to step down. rioters smashed their way into several ministries with at least one being set alight. t

it is easy to attack paris, attack nato. but when you get the keys to the car and you got to drive it, you realize maybe i do need the arburetor. so you think this is done for a reason. frankly, i welcome that. i'm not going sit here and attack the president for hypocrisy because i'm glad he's capable of having a learning curve and he's going to take some political hits and that's the right thing to do. host: let's go to cali calling from doan beach, florida on the democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning. i've been throng the phone and i've got to put my perspectives together. over the past 15 years, i think our nato allies got snookered into going into afghanistan. i think they realized that we never did catch osama bin laden. he seem to just disappear over the mountains and into pakistan where he was very comfortable for seven or eight years but nobody knew. now regarding trump going over to the saudis, that was so interesting. there he is addressing them, saying i'm not here to lecture you doing sword dances.

if nato countries made their contributions,te then nato would be even stronger than it is today, especially -- >> it shows that only the u.s., and k, greece, estonia poland make the 2% margin or higher. agree with what the president said? >> i agree in principle but it's complicated than that. in the sense that certainly gdp is certainly an important act of good faith, and again, where i agree with euros sident, that the need to meet the united states burden. in sharing the on the other hand it comes down to what you spend. you can certainly waste all of and spend it on military bans, but on paper you've spent 2%. along with the 2% debate, it's just important to write. out of are we getting this? are we getting planes, are we getting ships, are we getting out and do the work in the field? talking to magnus norman of the atlantic council about the president's trips. with the g-7 leaders today, and yesterday's leaders.with nato democrats can call 202-748-8000. 202-748-8001. 202-748-8002 nts, for that discussion. now, there was a focus on with the yesterday, nato meeting, but there was also so

with respect to eastern europe, nato's importance to countries on nato's eastern flank has been dramatically raised over the last few years and that is why also you have rising defense bending across the eastern alliance. poland connoisseur in romania, soon all three of the baltic states as well as some other place is. the question of georgia and ukraine. first, i don't see major change in its policy on enlargement at this leader's meeting. i don't think it's going to be a top item on the agenda. frankly it's a short and it's going to last a couple hours. so it is not a full summit like you would have under other is where you get into almost every issue. this is an introductory meeting. it's not a full-blown summit. second, i don't think that anything has changed fundamentally in the alliance dynamics with regards to enlargement. they stand behind the open door. in fact, you have the admission of montenegro as the 29th member with the ratification of that being complete. but i don't think there is any appetite to press ahead rapidly on enlargement in other spheres. the cooperative relationsh

was in iraq, nato ally. in afghanistan in operations off the coast of somalia, us.pean allies are with i have a hard time coming up ith a war we have been alone and not worked with allies and allies contributed. hat is certainly the case in iraq and syria in cottalition, as well. council , the atlantic is putting together what they call a memo to the president, a new dealions about for nato, recommendation for president trump, can you a little bit and tell us why you're doing this? guest: sure. this, we think this is an opportunity to create a between if you will, the united states and europe, ou know, part is increased european defense spending and part is more of nato attention spent on counter terrorism and helping the united states campaign against isis and other groups and third, being, component being clear american commitment to european security. also, this is an opportunity for the united a path of ut nato on transformation, to keep changing nato and again, the president and others made the point, t

why they see nato as a threat is beyond me. clearly nato is not a threat, but right now, russia is choosing to be a strategy competitor for any number of reasons. the bottom line is nato is not a threat and they know it. they have no doubt about it. >> dickerson: you have said that russia is trying to break apart nato. is there, the united states going to take any action to deal with russia as a threat to nato, either in helping in the balkans or any other way? >> right now, we are dealing with russia attempting to deal with russia under president trump's direction in a diplomatic manner. at the same time, while we are willing to engage diplomatically we are going to have to confront russia when it comes to areas where they attack us, whether it be with cyber where they try to change orders using armed force, and that is admittedly a strategically uncomfortable position, engaging diplomatically, trying to find a way out of this situation, but confronting them where we must. and we are going to continue in this mode and hopefull

now they're challenging nato more than ever in the former baltic state, and that's why nato needs to focus on russia. >> i don't think there's any disagreement on that, but it's a question of whether that's the only area or whether you look at other areas. that's what president trump and his team are looking at, yes, we still have threats. it's different in nature. you don't have a soviet empire, all the satellite countries in the same way as he did before, but you also have this new threat of global terrorism that really is something that's emerged in the last few years. that's clearly a threat to our security. so when he -- >> leland: it is, but there's an irony in the sense that the only time of article five, the cornerstone of nato, collective defense, only time it was invoked was after the 9/11 terrorist attack. where's the distance between the cup of the lip of september 11th when nato went into afghanistan to defend essentially the united states to now not taking on terrorism? >> well, i think that what he's saying is that actually there needs to be more question. it's a quest

the nato standard. just three more countries have promised to meet that mark next year. >> with these chronic underpayments, and growing threats, even two percent of gdp is insufficient. >> reporter: the president did not publicly commit to nato's core mission defending any member nation attacked. scott, senior officials flying with the president from brussels to italy here nor g7 meetings echo secretary of state tillerson who said yesterday the u.s. will fulfill all nato obligations. >> pelley: our chief white house correspondent major garrett traveling with the president, now in sicily, thank you, major. the fropt runner for a congressional seat in montana has been charged with assault after allegedly attacking a reporter. today republican greg gianforte lost the endorsements of the leading newspapers in montana. barry petersen is there. >> reporter: guardian newspaper reporter ben jacobs said the encounter with republican congressional candidate greg gianforte started like this. >> are you waiting to

he said nato was answobsolete, now a different story. >> number one, nato is obsolete. >> nato is obsolete. >> they asked me recently on television about nato. i said it is obsolete and we pay too much. >> when i said that nato to wolf blitzer is obsolete, i got attacked. three days later people that study nato said trump is right. i reiterated to chancellor merkel my strong support for nato. i said it is obsolete. it is no longer obsolete. >> there you have it. michael williams ahere to discuss. nice to have you both. and again let me begin with you. the president has used a lot of words. and let's just take him at his last phrase, which is nato was obsolete. it no longer is. he has not said whether the united states will continue to stand behind its commitment to article five and that's really important unless he said previously the other countries pay up enough. what should he say today? >> he has to express his unconditional support for article five and his complete support for nato. there will be discussion of terrorism and burden sharing. i think the nato allies will go out of their

he doesn't call nato obsolete. >> it was supposed to be an event that symbolized the unity of nato. it was commemorating september 11th attacks so it was more of a somber tone to the event. also my colleagues in the room there in brussels have told me before and after the event the president was sort of alien nated. no one was coming up to up and talking to him. there's a video of him slapping someone on the back and pushing them out of the way to get to the front row which is sort of being circulating and being joked about. >> the defense minister. >> sort of a pat and shove move. i think it's going to be tense hours ahead. for a trip that's gone off arguably quite well, we're getting near the end of it and now we're starting to see things shaky a little bit. >> what strikes me about this president that is a consistent problem is the failure to take a longer view about what goals are, what challenges are. in this particular case given his history with nato, work this issue privately, get what you want. he's got to play a longer game in terms of how he's going to want to work with a

donald trump tells nato members to pull their way. the one thing he was expected to say, he did not. ump is in bsselfor his first nato summit as president. today he was back scolding members telling them to increase their defense spending. what he did not mention coming up on the program. the summit revealing the growing rift between great britain and the u.s. over intelligence leak in the manchester suicide bombing investigation. british police are furious and have caught off information sharing with u.s. law enforcement. despite the looming threat of brags it the charlemagne prize recognizing contributions to european unity has been awarded to a brick. he received the famous awards today in the city. it is good to have you with us. tonight donald trump is blasting nato allies in brussels for not paying their fair share. trump has been a vocal critic of nato calling the alliance obsolete on the campaign trail. with the manchester bombing it has brought new urgency where the fight against terrorism has become topic number one. >> not

the nato standard. just three more countries have promised to meet that mark next year. >> with these chronic underpayments and growing threats, even 2% of gdp is insufficient. >> reporter: the president did not publicly commit to nato's core mission, defending any member nation attacked. scott, senior officials flying with the president from brussels to terra mina, italy here for g7 meetings echoed secretary of state tillerson, who said yesterday the u.s. will fulfill all nato obligations. >> our chief white house correspondent major garrett, traveling with the president, now in sicily. thank you, major. >>> the front-runner for a congressional seat in montana has been charged with assault after allegedly attacking a reporter. today republican greg gianforte lost the endorsements of the leading newspapers barry peterson is there. >> reporter: "guardian" newspaper reporter ben jacobs said the encounter with republican congressional candidate greg gianforte started like this. >> you were waiting to make

article 5 is what nato is all about. article 5 says that basically an attack on one member is an attack on all and that all members shall come to the aid and some fashion or another of one who's attacked. it's only been cited once in the entire history of nato which goes back to the end of the 1940s and that was after 9/11 when the allies came to our defense in effect after the world trade center and the pentagon were hit. and they said this is an attack on the united states, an attack on all of us. and people wanted to hear in europe today was president trump reaffirm america's commitment to that principle. now, you wouldn't say that america has to say it every time, but there's a reason why, look a year ago as a candidate, candidate trump brought that into question. he said that he believes in defending allies, as long as they had paid up. you heard that theme, of course in his speech today about paying up. the idea they don't spend enough on their own defense. he conditioned that a year ago. basically we will conditio

what is nato for? >> nato is a collective defense organization in which, under article 5 of the nato treaty, that all 28 members have signed, including the united states, an attack against one is regard as an attack against all and commits everyone to come to the aid of thatountry orhose countries that are attacked. it is a fundamental commitment that every president from harry truman until barack obama has reaffirmed, has said is unbreakable, that the commitment is unwavering. given the campaign and what had happened during the campaign, in which donald trump called the alliance obsolete, the leaders of nato were standing there at nato headquarters hoping to hear those words of reaffirmation. it didn't happen. >> it didn't happen. let me -- >> that was a problem. >> ironically, the only time article 5 has been invoked is when -- during 9/11. the united states has been the only one to have to need it. but in theory, given the world in which we live, our european allies in nato are more likely to need t

if nato countries made their full and complete contributions, then nato would be even stronger than it is today, especially from the threat of terrorism. i want to extend my appreciation to the 9/11 memorial museum in new york for contributing this ,emnant of the north tower presented to chancellor merkel and the german people for donating this portion of the berlin wall. it is truly a thing that these artifacts reside here so closely together at the new nato headquarters. once what theked new headquarters costs. i refuse to do that, but it is beautiful. each one marks a pivotal event in the history of this alliance and the internal battle between good and big evil. testament toe is a the totalitarian communist ideology bent on the oppression of millions and millions of people. of other, a painful reminder the painful evil that still exists in the world, and that we must confront and defeat group, as a world. this twisted mass of metal reminds us not only of what we have lost but what forever , the courage of people, strengthen our resolve and commitments that bind us. we will never fo

what can we expect from today's nato meeting? >> i would expect the president to formally become part of the coalition against the islamic state. many nato members haven't wanted to hang from the afghanistan war barter with him in exchange for the president committing to article v of the nato charter and probably a private commitment to stop hatcher in and about increasing spending domestically. lea: so for the president has refused to commit to article v. to go further into what that means? >> article v concludes a mandate that member nations come to each other's aid if they are attacked. it the cornerstone of the alliance. everything is an international faculty meeting. except for article v created of course to provide a mutual defense mechanism against russia. this is not automatic. member nations have to declare that article v has been bleached. actually a lot of wiggle room if the president says i've live in article v that the u.s. will ever focus. trained to attack about collaboration, the coalition fighting a sister in tod

nato is protecting them. they owe the rest of the european nations and the united states an obligation to do their fair share. host: the president is also wanting to ask nato to step up in the fight against isis. is that the role of nato? guest: that's a little more complicated. that's up to the president to decide how he wants to try to move nato. i know nato was very successful in the breakdown of the former yugoslavia, bosnian-serbian war so maybe there is a role for them, but really in the middle east it's more important that the people over there provide the boots on the ground and ight the fight -- kurds, turks , sunnies. host: the former ambassador to nato wrote an opinion piece writing that troops, ships, tanks, and planes are not the core of nato's strength. at the core of the most durable, most successful alliance in history are its common values, democracy, individual liberty, and rule of law. values are what binds the 28 nations of nato together. today these values are being challenged from multip

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nato. as you know in the past couple has been a bit equivocal on his , but he seemsto to be on what the eu and nato considered to be the right path, and they hope that continues tomorrow in brussels. vonnie: you say equivocal, jones. it has been a bit more black-and-white than that. at a certain point he called nato obsolete. stoltenberg inh the u.s. and once again decided it was a great organization. what will donald trump one from nato? jones: i think his main pushes for the spending. he has said before, and i'm sure this will come up tomorrow, that he wants to have the nato allies contribute at least 2% of gdp to defense spending. the eu has pushed back on this a little bit, or the european countries and nato, saying it is not just about money, that it is other nonmonetary factors and support that eu nations give to the defense effort. but that will be one of the discussion points tomorrow. mark: another discussion point, no doubt, jones, in the wake of the manchester suicide bomb call f

commitment outside nato. we have commitment in asia, for example. to blame the nato allies for not paying for that particular commitment is not fair. it is not part of the nato greegree agreement. i don't understand why it wasnewas not important for the president. we need every ally we can get whether islamic world or europe in order to fight islami terrorism. >> a lot of those nato, allies also wanted to hear recommitment from the u.s. of an attack on one is not attack on all. that reaffirmation did not happen. we'll have a quick break, we'll bring all of you back and we'll talk more about today's headline involving jared kushner and his proposal of a back channel with russia. we'll be right back. i love how usaa gives me the and the security just like the marines did. at one point, i did change to a different company with car insurance, and i was not happy with the customer service. we have switched back over and we feel like we're back home now. the process through usaa is so effortless, that you feel like

commitment to the nato alliance. our senior white house correspondent jim acosta is traveling with the president. jim. >> reporter: wolf, president trump took the extraordinary step of scolding much of the nato alliance for failing to pay its fair share to the partnership. he also stopped short of endorsing a key nato agreement to come to the common defense of the alliance. >> thank you. terrible thing. >> reporter: for president trump it was a day of shattering the norms of global diplomacy. moments after calling for a moment of silence to remember the victims of the manchester attack and a stepped up fight in the battle against terrorism -- >> all people who cherish life must unite in finding, exposing and removing these killers and extremists and, yes, losers. they are losers. >> reporter: the president stuck it to nato, chastising member countries he insists aren't meeting their financial obligations to the alliance. >> but 23 of the 28 member nations are still not paying what they should be paying and what they

nato's commitment to fight the islamic state savages. a short time ago, moment in the history books. our commander-in-chief call of the members of nato for not appearing their fair share. he spoke of the need to unite in the fight against terror. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, sandra smith, meghan mccain, anchor of the intelligence report with trish regan on fox business, bring some intelligence is trish regan and our #oneluckyguy, fox news contributor and former communications director for the dnc, mo elleithee is here. he is also the founding executive director of politics and public service. a man who is busy. good to have you. >> mo: thanks for having me. i'm exhausted just following. i'm not even in politics anymore and i'm exhausted. >> harris: as a whole nation of politics. >> mo: none of us are safe. >> harris: grab some coffee, we are ready. let's get started. president up is meeting for the first time with leaders of nato, the alliance he once criticized as obsolete. what would be a diplomatic -- nato i

over the last year or two nato has made progress on this in 2016 nato defense spending in europe and canada rose by 3.8% and that's an additional $10 billioneuropean and canadian from allies. a rise of about 3.8%. about 10 countries meet the 20% target for spending on major equipment. and there are several countries that will be achieving the 2% target. right now there are five countries at the 2% of g.d.p. target. romania will meet it this year. lithuania latvia next year. that will be eight countries, till not enough. but progress in that direction. if you look at the big allies, you see increases in defense spending there as well. germany's defense budget up by 8% this year. germany's defense budget up by 8% this year. italy's up by 10%. canada up by about 6%. the netherlands up by about 5%. the one major european country that is an outlier there is spain which has a flat, basically a flat budget for defense this year compared to last year. what nato leaders are going to be looking to agree to is, you now, a mechanism or plans to implement this 2% target and keep in mind the targe

ambassador to nato. domestic matters, the congressional budget office released the score for the republican health care bill. they found it would increase the number of uninsured americans by 23 million. and make coverage costlier for those that need it most. here with us, our correspondent from the white house. how does this, locate thanks for the white house? we talked about this yesterday, what the white house was looking for in terms of best and worst case scenarios, so where does this fall? >> somewhere in the middle. the white house is happy that the bill says there is going to be about $119 billion in savings because of the bill and at the same time, 23 million people will be going without insurance, more than if obamacare were to stay in place. democrats are using that number to attack republicans, saying they will take insurance away from millions of people, even some republicans in the senate say that this bill is unacceptable as is because so many people would be left without health care cover

to offer af support they feel the urgency of nato o nato's commitment to defending them if something happens. they've been under asausault fr russia, cyber type warfare, subterranean. it may not have been a big thing to some people in the white house or seemed like a big thing to some people in the white house, it's a very big thing in eastern europe. the truth i do think, as hans said, the question is did they really understand this? just yesterday they had been saying, yes, don't worry, he's going to actually say that in the speech. there had to be a struggle going on, perhaps the president decided at the last minute he didn't want to make that commitment as a negotiating stance. it's hard to say. maybe he said, look, this is ridiculous, i'm standing in front of an article 5 memorial, of course i support it, why do i have to say the words? >> why do you have to say it? because everybody thinks you're vladimir putin's puppet. that's why you have is to say it. i'm done with the stupidity defense. i'm drawing my own red line here. hans, i want to give you the last word. i want to know

going back to the nato issue. president trump has called nato and obsolete organization. at the same time in eastern europe nato is viewed as something that ensures their security, especially from russia . arguably if georgia and ukraine were given membership back in 2008, we would not have occupation of georgia or invasion of ukraine. do you see the nato expansion issue being reviewed under the trump administration? >> when the nato secretary-general visited a couple weeks ago in the press availability after the meeting, the president added a comment -- he said, i said it before, it is no longer true. regardless how you judge that, it is important to start from that. ,ith respect to eastern europe on the importance eastern flank has been genetically raised over the last few years. -- dramatically raised over the last few years. that is why you have increased spending. poland, romania, all of the baltic states, as well as other places. the question of georgia and seeine -- first, i don't native changing its policy -- nato changing its policy on enlargement at this leader'

what we are expected tomorrow for the nato summit to say nato will play a full role. there reflects troops wish the nato will come to fighter against terrorism. vonnie: what would it mean? that conveys potentially terrifying idea of nato troops on the ground in certain countries. ian wishart: it does not mean that at all. if the technicality for tom all of the countries and nato are playing a part. -- it is a technicality because all the countries in nato are playing a part. they could work together and to share each other aircraft and that sort of thing. if it ever comes to boost on the ground, that would be a separate discussion which a nato could hold at a later date. why there has been some skepticism is it could inflame relations with russia. russia ang to make little bit worried about what the nato is up to. vonnie: you mentioned intelligence sharing a big part of the new agreement. who will trust who given all going on and many investigations within the united states? yesterday, the u.s. outing the name of the bomber before england. right.hart: that is the brit

in the midst of a huge terror attack where he is calling for nato to do their fair share, to use nato as counterterrorism and i think it's embarrassing for them and they look weak, really weak. >> kat: i completely agree with the fact that we are paying our budget so huge. but it's -- is the tough talk going to be enough? >> lisa: i think he is doing more than what president obama was able to accomplish. where the two things president trump talked about on the campaign trail? he said they should focus more on terrorism which we heard that there is a new counterterrorism effort that nato was going to be working on any also said they should be paying more of their fair share which is what we've been talking about. you see someone like angela merkel who is committed to germany paying more and there was an article talking about how they nato countries are putting together outlines and how they're going to try to meet these efforts and meet the commitments. 23 countries aren't, >> rachel: it's also a win for the president. it demonstrates he's able to coordinate these nations to support th

the other half from nato. is president trump behind that idea, and is he going to go to bat for it at this meeting? >> the talk will be, i think, very heavily weighted toward counterterrorism. the president made this a centerpiece of his campaign. he talked about how he was going to keep america safe. now, he has an opportunity to go face-to-face with these other world leaders, again, with whom he has no previous relationship, and say, anti-up. the time has come for nato to do its part. though people like john mccain would argue nato has been doing plenty in counterterrorist efforts. >> it comes from ignorance that he doesn't know what the member countries and nato as a whole is doing in terms of counterterrorism. there is the russia issue. the president probably didn't even mention russian hacking of the election in his lovely meeting with ambassador kislyak and sergey lavrov. this is unbelievable to a lot of people. in his first meeting with these guys, he doesn't even try to raise the notion, you know, real

only 5 of the 28 nato nations are paying what they're supposed to pay to be nato members. my former predecessor, george w. bush, decades of republican presidents called nato out in private and nato never changed. don't sld trump is now changing the way we call nato out. donald trump is right. >> sandra: very interesting. according to a new fox news poll, terrorism isn't even at the top of the list as far as issues this country faces today. government spending is the government concern, 80%, followed by number two, the economy. then followed by infrastructure, war with north korea, terrorist attack, job market and russian meddling. government spending, $20 trillion in debt we are approaching this country, ari. how can the president tap into those concerns? >> you can make the case the budget he just leased is a start in doing that. that's also we need the tax reform policies he's pushing to have economic growth. say what you will rrbg this shows the upside of a presidential presidency. if he can refocus on issues like this, he could be a very successful powerful president.

today the focus is on nato. can he win over leaders from an alliance he took aim at during the campaign? >>> and a new congressional budget score doing little to ease concerns about the republican-passed health bill. who gets hit the hardest and how it impacts the future of health care. welcome back and good morning to "early start." i'm alison kosik. >> i'm dave briggs. thanks for joining us. >>> the special election in montana today is now a white-hot national spotlight after audio came out seeming to show the republican candidate for the state's one house seat body-slamming a reporter. greg gianforte charged overnight with misdemeanor assault by the county sheriff. the alleged attack took place at gianforte headquarters in boseman. >> so far, the candidate has held off taking a stance on the health care bill waiting for the cbo to weigh in on its effects. "guardian" reporter ben jacobs tried to press gianforte for its stance now that the cbo released its score. >> -- the cbo score, because you know, you were