and in this investigative journey, i get led to grigory. and i go to grigory and i said, "hey, will you help me dope and evade positive detection and teach me how to game the system?" and he goes, "yes." >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ] and it's interesting because this was, you know, a man who is behind the russian athletic program basically doping and avoiding being caught. and yet he comes across as in that clip, he's a very loveable character. did you hit it off with him right away? >> well, the amazing thing about this guy, as you see -- and i mean, he's loveable. he's likable. he's funny. he's garrulous and then he has this side to him, which you could never imagine. which is essentially he was the mastermind of russia's state-sponsored doping program. and he wasn't just doping all the track and field athletes. he was doping pretty much all russian athletes across all sport and this program was in place the last 40 years. and in so doing, russia essentially stole thousands and thousands and thousands of medals from clean athletes all

grigory rodchenkov, who at the time ran russia's anti-doping lab. >> grigory agrees to help smuggle my urine into his moscow laboratory to figure out when i would test negatively. that in and of itself was pretty mind-boggling because he should not have been doing that to begin with. >> did you start your program? >> i did. >> this is my morning pill-popping routine. and then i prepare the testosterone. >> reporter: why did he agree to help you? >> i came atim as an athlete, and i think the allure of being part of the movie. the other part of that is he had just gotten out of the sochi olympics. >> reporter: but months after fogel started working with rodchenkov -- >> 99% of russian athletes are guilty of doping. >> reporter: explosive revelations. >> it's worse than we thought. >> reporter: at what point did you know my story is way bigger? >> putin appears on state television. and not only does he deny everything, he says that there was no state-sponsored doping in russia. and about 12 hours after that statement grigory is on a call to me and he has two fsb agents, kgb agents, living

charlie: who has confirmed the story of grigory about what happened? guest: after we go to the new york times, they are forced to launch another investigation into the claims put forward in the new york times. i helped to facilitate a meeting, and richard mclaren was the head of that investigation, independently, and this investigation went on between may 2016 through december of this year. the investigation found, beyond a reasonable doubt, that every single thing grigory said and put forward is true. corroborated all the evidence. charlie: this is the investigation by the new york times? guest: no, the new york times broke the story based on all the evidence we brought to them. then the world anti-doping agency led an investigation because they were able to actually get the samples from sochi that were being held by and test them to see if they had been tampered with. between that process plus what was 1666 documents of evidence that led straight back to the ministry, this report found, beyond a question about, reasonable doubt, that not only was thi

they corroborated everything that grigory brought forward as undeniable truth. charlie: where is the russian sports program today? guest: right now, what has happened, to start with, there was a little bit of luck here. we started to make a movie about brian doping in the system. and then the relationship with grigory rodchenkov, we discovered what happened. the russians used the sochi games as a way to pump up putin's popularity, which in the two weeks after sochi, he ended -- attacking the ukraine. this was used as a political motive to be able to use the sports system as a way to enhance russia's political agenda. guest: that is right. and where the russians are now is there are two separate investigations by the ioc of the russians to determine whether or not they should be allowed to participate in the february winter olympics in south korea. charlie: so there isn't serious question about whether they will be allowed to participate? guest: we still do not know. one thing that has been obvious is that the ioc does not want anything to happen to russia. the i

russia and china are proposing a halt to the games in exchange for a freeze of prongs missile tests grigory at its from the korea policy institute believes the exercises are provocative. these are mainly based simulations rather than physical exercises however what are they simulating a simulating war with north korea so that's a provocative. step in itself so it's right on north korea the story stuff the united states it's very. idea of diplomacy is to apply threats and pressure and more pressure that's not the plan with you at all so this fits in the pattern of they feel that threats haven't worked in north korea therefore more threats that are needed it's a backwards way of thinking. other military exercises come off the north korea earlier said it would hold off on strike citing the next move to washington going to how the crisis between playing in america has been unfolding. stand together. in the months and years ahead with the people of south korea. this is a very dangerous situation. what has happened in the past when north korea has actually attacked and as always being the chick i

us is grigori -- what you looking at as you try to gauge the damage that has been done so far? prices935 looking at gas , we saw a real surge is the storm rolled in and we now see it at a two-year high. what you watching for the level of damage in the gulf? craig: this is basically the energy breadbasket of america in the houston area. it's also right by the coastal region that often floods. we saw that a lot of refineries have been taken off-line. that is where you will see gas prices potential spike in the days and weeks to come. we know it's a big transit point for a lot of oil that comes from inside the united states and other parts of the north america -- right through there. it's been taken off-line and shut down. they will have to assess the damage on those refineries and those depots. i think if you are driving a car and you are thinking about what this is going to mean for the rest of the year, it could be really bad news if they can't get those refineries back online soon. david: a logical eagerness see how the president would react to a crisis like that. my inbox is

grigory rodchenkov. at the time, he ran russia's anti-doping lab. explosive revelations. >> it's worse than we thought. >> reporter: at what point did you know that your story's way bigger. >> putin appears on state television, and not only does he deny everything. he says that there was no state-sponsored doping in russia. and about 12 hours after that statement, gregory is on call to me, and he has two kgb agents living in his home protecting him, and he tells me that they're going to kill him. >> reporter: fogel says he immediately bought him a flight out of moscow to the u.s. he said he brought something with him, a hard drive filled with documents, detailing russia's doping program. >> i realize that not only am i sitting on a nuclear bomb of information that changes all of sport history, he had come preparing to blow the lid off of this. >> reporter: according to rochenkov, people posing as workers swapped out dirty urine of russian athletes for clean samples. once safely in the u.s., he decided to go public and fogel was deeply intertwined. i