european union, but on what terms? how will post—brexit britain relate to the club it has just quit, and the rest of the world? these are questions that theresa may's government is struggling to answer, but they are no less difficult for the opposition labour party. my guest today is labour's shadow foreign secretary, emily thornberry. what would the opposition do about brexit? emily thornberry, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. you have slammed theresa may and her government for being divided and utterly confused about what they want from brexit, which, of course, raises the question — are you clear about what you and the labour party want from brexit? i mean they are. they're incredibly confused, and they do say a whole lot of contradictory things. i think they've come forward with a number of red lines, which they're now trying to change, or they're trying to say "we didn't really mean it", or she's trying to say at home i meant it, but abroad saying i don't mean it, so we are in a terrible place. therefore incumbent on you in the opposition to be absolutely clear. no, i agree, i

council. long after we have theft the european union the uk will be a strong and committed partner, standing on side our neighbors and working together advance our shared values and interests. this council provided a further opportunity to demonstrate that ongoing commitment, through discussions that include migration, the digital market, turkey, north korea and iran. and it may be important progress in moving towards the new deeps' special partnership with the european union we wanted to see. first on migration, the uk is playing its full part. the royal navy has intercepted 172 smuggling boats, and saved over 12,000 lives since operations in the year began. while our national crime agency is work with libyan law enforcement in helping if the cablable to tackle the people smuggling and tracking networks. at the couple we welcomed the reduction in migrant crossings, and for renewed prevention behind the bolivian political process and must also address the root causes crying home to the mediterranean so they're continuing to invest for the long time in education, jobs and services,

the european union we don't like we name that that's been our politics policy making for the past seven years there are major bones of contention on that yes but the only way in our belief that our experience to sort out problems is to name that that and that is talk about them in a frank manner in a way that can assure that at the end of the discussion if you like a debate a fierce debate at times the solution is that it sounds very reasonable the way you're discussing it but actually it's not getting any better is it in you yourself said the fight is just at the beginning the front of the debate is your opponent there are issues and topics in which you're going to be unrelenting so you're prepared for it if you have to find we're going to go for it one lesson we've learned for the past seven years not necessarily in the field or in the by the topic of illegal migration which is in the focus for the past three years economic matters are on constitution it was worth taking the fight because at the end of the day turned out that we were right and we don't like to be vindicated that

great interest they named in the european union about the government got a lawyer the been some secret calls and also some. you know push for a kind of negotiation but all this respect and we. do this fein as accused. today they want to avoid any kind of decision because they're afraid that after that alone it will be probably the north of italy or belgium or corsica. in there in france so they will dog boycott and that's why they are a really they're a hundred percent support in iraq or you. gave her a hoard of being the green card the green light to do everything she wants and now here we are. with regard to grace and they remember that set of graces paid to leave he will fall apart a century because he said look i k we can restrict the amount of your race we're going to give you i mean it still has that option doesn't it with catalonia i mean if they have impose acts of spain could it then say well i can be careful we could restrict the amount of your face that come your way. well you know i mean. it was very clear and the beginning of this is pollution that. would not accept catalo

european union thirty years ago and no i'm sitting here in strasbourg in its headquarters is a problem not only for the northern regions of italy but for all european countries it is the european union that imposes sanctions on russia crippling our agricultural sector and robbing italy of seven billion euro is a year today we advocate the unity of italy but with autonomy for the regions and federalism we do so to first and foremost defend ourselves against the onslaught of the e.u. and multinational corporations which is simply to annihilate us. what is it that i do not agree with when it comes to catalonia see many of those who are in favor of the independence of catalonia ones who remain in the european union they want to keep the euro and also the ones that open their borders to migrants from north africa well this kind of independence independence with brussels in the driver's seat without cutting off the flow of migrants that decision would pose grave problems to the also wish for it so he'll also sad that he don't want to blow up the euro that a referendum on abandoning it would be o

. media and the media of the european union have been the one blasting the russian government you know and the russian duma for introducing. the wall into the russian legislation well the russian the russian government never targeted mediocre nations based on that the war there were problems with organizations that morning at that elections or n.g.o.s following geos held certain forces you know to morning to them in their only interest there were problems with companies that were accused of supporting supporting terrorist supporting. midterms but new york the single dime they did i really didn't really want to i don't really think that the foreign agents acting united states foreign the russian equant is essentially a translation it's broadly the same thing here gentlemen we've talked a lot about russia gate no evidence for me it's laboring over it because why talk about something when there's no facts but i think what's really different go to here and what i think is in play is something much bigger and i think much more nefarious you use the alleged collusion you bring in the ru

revolution in the european union member state you just heard it stripping catalonia of autonomy imposing direct rule tell me any way in the world that has provided long term peace and stability the reality of what has happened. in catalonia is not really only so much about expressing majority or minority opinion it's simply about expressing a view and expressing an opinion and being able to do that without having state services and police or thora t's injuring almost a thousand citizens as we saw on the streets at the weekend this was a p.r. disaster for the incumbent spanish government it was then a p.r. disaster for the european union which they acted i think some with some would feel hypocritically in respect to spying i'll ask myself pizza you know what would have been the reaction were this to have happened in eastern europe or even the u.k. countries that have been perhaps less tolerant and less deferential to the european union i daresay that. you would not have come out and said that this was simply an internal matter and spoke quite passively quite weakly about the need for the

of law is not optional in the european union it's a must hungary refusing to take in refugees took their case to the european supreme court they lost heart was prime minister. and said he didn't care about the courts ruling he can how can such a country still be a member of the european union not accepting the decision of the supreme european court still being there no consequences no sanctions nothing happened well the nothing is not right first of all here you see the last of the constructing of the european union we have not thought and considered even that in particular hungry but also part of who were actually the breeding grounds for democracy for eastern europe in particular polland supported us with a round table in east germany wouldn't have a peaceful revolution if you would have had policy as a model this was once and i am now history now that's a start of the reality right and the reality is that it wasn't. structured into the situation that countries could cause so far out of that regard or this evening don't you did the evening didn't and don't. try to take a decision

of catalonia is part of the european union part of the single market thereby making cross border trade very very easy now if catalonia should achieve independence that all is doubtful the spanish economy minister said should catalonian depends come to pass the region would lose up to thirty percent of its economic power which would be a gigantic blow but then again this is the spanish economy minister saying that but the fallout would be substantial that that's pretty fair to say ok christophe many thanks and no worries we're about to get the cattle and perspective on this now we have on the line from barcelona. come out of well he's an advisor to a catalan member of the european parliament that i'm on to mosul and also supporter of catalan independence mr card margo we've just been listening from my colleague from d.w. business how expensive separation from spraying will probably be what do you think how how expensive do you think that separation will be and are you being open about those costs with the people of catalonia. good evening thank you for limitations of god this issu

similar independence movements in the european union and says it looks now it who is and who isn't backing a united space. there is plenty of reaction coming in given these major developments happening in catalonia albeit with very few surprises we have heard from the president of the european council donald to school has said that nothing changes and that the e.u. will continue to speak directly with madrid we've seen reaction from germany of course the german government said they do not recognize this unilateral declaration of independence we've heard from of course the french president also showing his support and full support to the spanish prime minister mariano here in the u.k. of course also plenty of reaction we've heard from downing street saying the does not and will not recognize the unilateral declaration of independence because this vote the referendum on october first was deemed illegal by spanish courts that was a reaction from to reset but from scotland's nicolas sturgeon we have seen a reaction of seeing the people of catalonia should have the ability to determine their ow

european union this is something which concerns us and this is of course something which will be an enormous problem for the brits themselves producer for europe but do you support the idea of two speed europe to support what michael owen is proposing right now that those who want to move faster should move faster and have different type of economic zone and then those who want to stay where they are you know then stay in a different kind of this is the present situation of the treaties that you came up for more cooperation or you can be a normal member and i'm sure that in some areas there will be much more engagement for instance in energy policy or indeed to do corporations or could be much more either we do it would to go were some moving faster than the race but i think if some are really trying to go ahead i'm sure most of the countries will fold so the idea of mark always not so much to divided to split europe but to give a wake up call to those who are a little bit more reluctant and at the end most of the member states will come along. i want to hear your opinion on what th

minister theresa may talks about her meetings with european union leaders and russell come -- leaders in brussels, and the status of brexit negotiations. >> the prime minister. prime minister may: thank you, mr. speaker. and with permission, mr. speaker, i would like to make a statement on last week's european council. long after we have left the european union, the uk will continue to be a strong and committed partner, standing alongside our neighbours and working together to advance our shared values and interests. this council provided a further opportunity to demonstrate that ongoing commitment, through discussions that included migration, the digital single market, north korea and iran. and it made important progress in moving towards the new, deep and special partnership with the european union that we want to see. first on migration, the uk is playing its full part. the royal navy has intercepted 172 smuggling boats and saved over 12,000 lives since operation sophia began. while our national crime agency is working with libyan law enforcement, enhancing their capability to tackle

country together other than point to the letter of the wall and what about europe well the european union has been noticeably silent now as a key member of the e.u. struggles to hold itself together brussels message tonight this is not our fight our coverage begins in barcelona. the game of brinkmanship heats up cattle and puts them on at the regional parliament for the latest showdown cameras struggle to get a good glimpse of the man who is refusing to back down. in his latest letter to the spanish government pushed him on wand that the catalan parliament could vote to declare independence if madrid triggers article one fifty five allowing it to suspend catalonia regional government madrid's reaction to double down. the government will continue with the processing of article one hundred fifty five of the constitution with a goal to restore the law in catalonia. spain says it will hold a special cabinet meeting on saturday to activate article one fifty five this has never been used in modern spanish history so what does it mean in practice it would allow madrid to sack regional office holders

european union. that there are no you know immediate consequences of to catalonia vote and if you deal seriously with the legal correct of the referendum. it cannot be taken as the position of the majority of the had along people of partly because of the actions of a central government which complicated by loads it confiscated ballot boxes that said to a set of which closed down polling stations. it's a difficult situation. and. that the solution is not a legal one the solution is a political one and and there must be the political will of course sides of spanish government and of the catalonian government. to sit still. and to find solutions this is my final statement to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue discussing today with the question of the copula referendum on the rest of you and other challenges to block is facing states. economic development is all about really pleased to report in this quarter we are one hundred six point. but what do we know about the other figures. when i think about the fact that our c.e.o. might do. over twenty million dolla

european union did not get involved they say there they're not in the position to negotiate if the european union cannot be more of an effective force in these sorts of disputes and we've just seen these disputes are all over europe what is the future of the e.u. why have the e.u. i think it's very weiss for you not to get involved here this is very sensitive this is political and the european union is not a political entity whatever mr you may wish. it's fundamentally a very thick a body that is very good in making sure that countries reduce barriers to treat it's very good in that it should focus on that every time it gets involved in politics things go wrong you know that said i don't think it would be about id for the leaders of european governments to express their opinion and indeed the belgian prime minister has been very outspoken that there should be dialogue whatever happens with catalonia and spain should should have a dialogue this should not be allowed. in any way so i knew you made a face there looks like you want to respond to that but i technically agree with peter

iraq. we're leaving the european union and we will be doing trade deals throughout the rest of the world and hopefully doing a trade deal with the european union as well we still want to buy their cars we still want to buy their champagne and hopefully they'll still want to buy our products as well we've got a net deficit with the european union of about sixty to seventy billion pounds it's in their interests that david davis is allowed to negotiate a proper deal that's going to be in the best interest of all of us and then if you really want to see poverty go to greece go and have a look at fifty percent youth unemployment go to spain where you see fifty percent youth unemployment there as well there are a lot of countries within the european union who are doing very badly because of the system of the european union and the fact that they're on the euro it's not helping them it's helping germany but it's certainly not helping them doesn't your henry the eighth the repeal bill will mean that a europe a skeptic or within mcdonnell can really bring about a much more spectacular chang

states and i was really always very pushy for enlargement of the european union to give really does eastern european and central used in south or used to be european countries if perspective to be. in full fledged member of the union so if they have the impression they are not treated in a respectful and equal footing way then it makes me a little bit concerned that should not be the way they should think. maybe they have different feelings. engaged in love on the other hand we should think about our positions so maybe we should be much more open minded actually we're going to talk about how their views differ from the use of the core of central europe but if i'm just going to give you a little example you know there's been like this between east and the west in here up broke out recently it was a food scandal supposedly west exports or imports to the eastern europe food that's made of worst stuff that what is sold in the west why is there such approach that everything that goes to the east could be a quality lesser than whatever is. acceptable to be very frank of the inacceptable i

of the split from spain and why is the european union so cold to the idea this is inside story. hello and welcome i'm patty kahane events are moving quickly in both madrid and barcelona the political situation has been confusing but this much is certain catalonia is drive for independence has already had an impact on the region's economy tourism has dropped off sharply more businesses are moving their head offices out of the area very and political instability and financial uncertainty and of catalonia does eventually become independent the costs could be huge we begin with al-jazeera anderson's who's in barcelona. here in the regional parliament in barcelona with much emphasis on the political crisis and the risks of social unrest many businesses right across the region are getting worried that there may be neglect on the economy with political developments the figures don't read well sixteen hundred companies have moved their registrations out of catalonia since october and it doesn't stop there the banks are following suit the economic growth outlook for the whole of the cou

european union has said it has no mandate to moderate in this conflict but in light of some of that economic uncertainty should it change its mind perhaps well i think at least the european union and you know the heads of state meeting in brussels there today should attentively listen to what's going on they desperately need to make everyone understand in europe that they're not detached from what people want and so i think it's not enough for the european union to say what's going on in catalonia is none of our business can i had a bruise in a first in frankfurt thank you. well catalonia is not the only region with ambitions of autonomy this sunday and tally ends in the northern regions of nobody and beneteau well have this say on whether they want to remain part of italy the referendum or not binding but economists are already counting the costs of the wealthy regions striking it out on their own. first the cattle lands. then the northern italians including venice. as well as the flemish in belgium there are many regions in europe that are seeking independence and experts fear tha

european union. and on that note with the standoff are continuing between talent separatists and madrid let's get the view from the e.u. and for that i'd like to take us to do we use max hoffman who is in strasburg where spain's political crisis is front and center at the you're good to see you now initially the silence affirm the e.u. has been deafening initially. color leaders accusing the e.u. of inaction do they have a point. maybe up until now they had a point but today some things got clarified especially here at the european parliament in strasburg where there was an emergency debate about the topic and most of those parliamentarians expressed very clearly what they expect from spain now and that is dialogue and not confrontation so most parties really called upon that some did treat us as though what the police force did and said over the weekend saying that there was no place for that kind of police violence in the european union but overwhelmingly almost all of them said that catalonia was outside the rule of law and that they should get back into the framework of the spanish

apartment in the middle of the territory breaks away it would immediately be outside european union treaties with us here he may have anyway don't run at all it's been a little it's market with the dollars in them at the end of your show most wealthy in this we're starting to see serious concerns due to the catalan government's irresponsible course most of the levers most of the you have. a lot of your money like you are. welcome to the program each day this week the stakes have got higher in the crisis around in catalonia with regional leaders in the spanish region rallying for a move towards independence the bitter dispute has now hit a fresh high spain's highest court banning a parliamentary session in catalonia as regional assembly due to take place on monday catalan leaders had hinted they were going to use that session to declare independence from spain meanwhile there are signs that the wealthy region's push for separation from spain is scaring off big business with one major bank at least signaling it could soon leave catalonia. with christopher from business christopher bring us up

union is the european council which consists of you know the heads of state and government and heads of state of government and the government made the decision that they introduce a quota system on a voluntary basis and afterwards the council of the ministers of interior and justice which are definitely on the lower shelf in the structure than the european council they changed his decision and decided in favor of an obligate three quota system so that's definitely a while a show on of european regulations number one number two. that we have some very important treaties in the european union shango dublin and these treaties cannot be modified by a decision of a ministerial council these treaties can only be modified food the procedures of the parliaments of the member states of the european union the consensus all around the twenty eight members and such kind of a decision introducing going to get three quota is basically the modification the amendment of the dublin treaty and because it takes away partly the right of the single member states to make their decisions on their own whom th

european union wants to clarify three key issues which are you citizens' rights in in the u.k. after the brags and then of course the border between northern ireland and ireland and the third one and you mentioned that is the braggs it bill how much does will the u.k. have to pay to the european union for former obligations when they really leave and that's the part so that third point where bonnie is said that the deadlock is disturbing and yes i mean at the moment there is nothing to signal us that there really will be a solid deal because that deal would have to be struck within a year and really is gone you said now many times progress is very slow or not existence progress is very slow meanwhile we've also heard max from briggs the chief davis are urging leaders to take a step forward he says that their teams are continuing to work a struct a really a listening to these two differing descriptions are they describing the same talks i mean are these alternative realities that they're living their. but we do have alternative realities in brussels we do have twenty eight of them tha

the european union have consistently said they don't want catalonia to break away from spain to really keep the european union and tax the pro independence movement in catalonia has repeatedly said that despite the fact that they want to leave spain they don't necessarily want to leave the european union whereas throughout the year we've heard them say that if catalonia doesn't fact leave spain they're going to have to essentially get at the back of the line to get back into the european union we've spoken to you can depend is probably a repeat david coburn he believes madrid's decision initially came from brussels as the e.u. looks to tell you its grip all member states. i know but from chatting with present younker i spoke with a couple of weeks ago the european union have no intention of interfering in spanish affairs internal affairs i think they've now got the idea with the problems though taking part in spain that maybe is for a good idea of the actually key posts of internal figures of the various countries because it's just a farce that many other countries in europe who have p

of brexit negotiations and her meetings with european union leaders in brussels. the prime minister was challenged by jeremy corbyn who questioned her report of progress and of unity from her own party members. this is just under an hour. >> statement the prime minister. >> thank you, mr. speaker. and with permission, i would like to make a statement on last week's european council. long after we have left the european union, the uk will continue to be a strong and committed partner, standing on pride with our neighbors and working together to advanced our shared values and interests. this would provide a further opportunity to demonstrate that ongoing commitment through discussions that included migration, the single market, turkey, north korea, and iran. it made important progress in moving toward the new deep and special partnership with the european union that we want to see. first, on migration, the uk is playing its full part. the royal navy has intercepted 172 smuggling boats and saved over 12,000 lives since the operation began. while our national crime agency is working wit

so you really it's not in his interest to go against the european union how do you make the changes that are sort of governor of the election ride here the f.b.i. director of the new york's university's academic center in brown thank you very much for that analysis. here what you need to have a new is coming up ahead confidence use cash to do is a form of protest to banks are moving their headquarters to other villages of spain . then visiting from all businesses will have that story and other news from the want of business to stay that you've got their. own interests are on the rise when required and. i am taking them to more straight to highlight different shades of nationalism and to find out what does nation me to you. to show you so or join the conversation here on to dublin you on twitter i don't facebook. crime fighters the new season of radio crime thrillers begins. in. motion domestic violence cyber crime and human trafficking for investigative cases that will keep you on your toes crime fighters series at the base idea ever so every young person needs to listen to crime fi

building the e.u. headquarters should change the rules of the european union would have to work on fewer issues with better results should be paying more attention to protecting external borders fighting against curbing illegal immigration as well as harmonizing economic policies and judicial systems otherwise the europe we have today is duly were transformed into a strange loose community of twenty seven countries with nothing in common. hello and welcome to cross talk or all things considered i'm peter lavelle russia gate continues unabated without any hard facts to back it up will catalonia take the next step and declare independence also will trump be called a deal breaker when it comes to a red. cross talking real news i'm joined by my guests here in moscow exactly a morrow he's the founder founder of the center for political strategic analysis struck paul we also drew levitch he is a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and of course we have dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst with international right gentlemen cross-talk rules and ef