some positive feedback. great work was one e-mail -- >> from clovis. let me ask you the exposure, is that what you're watching for? >> i am. the problem is, though, everyone is talking about collusion and what it means, but the problem is what is a crime? you still have be conspiring to do something illegal. conspiring to win an election is not illegal. so you're really looking for some conspiracy to hack the e-mails, to break into the election itself, the election mechanisms in different states. >> perjury is a crime, though, right? >> perjury is crime, false statements is a crime. >> is it possible they've been interviewed and not told the truth? >> it's possible, yes. >>> we're going to squeeze in a quick break. coming up, hours after the attack in new york president trump goes negative against the senior state chuck schumer. so much not wanting to get political in the hours after a national tragedy. and later hardball chris matthews weighs in on the latest of the russia investigation and tells us the most important thing that donald trump could learn from kennedy. "the 11th hour"
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