but i just read this biography by jean edward smith? maybe it prompts this question, maybe it is too daring of a question. i wondered if mamie also liked westerns? >> are you trying to set me up? [laughter] >> i have seen a record of that, there are pictures of her on horseback in world war ii, but nothing in the record about her taste in literature. sir? >> >> what did his parents do? were they ranchers, farmers, businessmen? >> the family arrived in 1878. they were largely south of here in hope, kansas. there was a short time in denison, texas where he was born, where his father was a self-imposed exile after his general store had failed in hope. i mean, the family had a number cultural background, -- agricultural background, but ike's father did not want to be a farmer. he went to college for a year in compton, kansas where he met ike's mother, ida. that was really unusual for the time. he's studying lascaux subjects, he studied engineering. he worked at bell springs creamery. he was an engineer and had taken a correspondence course