michael flynn has not been sentenced yet. papadopoulos, the special counsel, didn't provide substantial evidence and the government -- the mueller investigation has not challenged what the sentencing guidelines for him would be, zero to six months, he sent out a weird tweet saying decision time. could the president do a few things by suggesting a pardon for manafort and would he do it now? >> i absolutely think that manafort is playing the pardon long game here and we will know that almost for sure by september 17th when this trial in washington, d.c. is set to begin, because the time to cooperate, the last best chance is right now and interestingly, manafort's lawyer when he got out of court yesterday did not say as many defense lawyers do, we will appeal this, we have -- >> considering all his options. >> we are evaluating our options which indicates they're thinking about a lot of things. i thought for a long time that manafort is playing the pardon game in part because there's no other sensible rational to choosing to hav

comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. they already know that. so why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath? >> and you're also saying that a month ago, you didn't tell abc news he said something along the lines of can you give him a break? >> i did not. i said that is what comey says. >> oh goodness gracious. that is president trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani, claiming the president never spoke to former fbi director comey about michael flynn. but just last month, this is how the president's very same attorney described the conversation between trump and comey. >> reality is, comey in some ways ends up being a good witness for us. >> how is he a good witness if he's saying the president was asking him, directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> what he said was -- >> huh? i want to bring in seth waxman, an enforcement attorney and former federal prosecutor. i don't even understand that. giuliani di

michael flynn is on hold. likely he's cooperating but we haven't confirmed that yet. why would you even try to cut a deal if you know you don't have to? intellectually you know you don't have to but you are faced with what's in front of you right there, at that minute, at that time. no lawyer will not let his client make the best deal that he can. also the law is a little bit hazy on when the president can actually step in and pardon someone. they have no choice but they continue down that road and where it ultimately leads us up in the air. >> harris: if you called the special counsel investigation the blob. fred, thank you for being here for breaking news. let's take a look at some numbers: 4 out of 5 people who have a stroke, their first symptom... is a stroke. 80 percent of all strokes and heart disease? preventable. and 149 dollars is all it takes to get screened and help take control of your health. we're life line screening... and if you're over 50... call this number, to schedule an appointment... for

donald trump is no michael flynn. donald trump has never put his children first or anyone else first. there is no chance of donald trump volunteering to take the hit in a criminal investigation in order to save his son or his daughter or his son-in-law or anyone else. chris collins finds himself in a very different situation than michael flynn did. congressman collins' son is already now charged with crimes and so it is a lot less clear that congressman collins can get his son off the hook by taking the hit and pleading guilty the way michael flynn did. congressman collins is the big fish in this investigation. his son, cameron collins, is the little fish. so what congressman collins has to wonder is how long will it take for his son to turn against him? how long will it take for congressman collins' son to plead guilty in exchange for no prison time and testify against his father? and that is the drama that president trump will watch most closely, how long does it take for the son to turn against the father? joining

that's crazy. >> you are saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he is asked that question. >> this is what giuliani said last month. >> how is he a good witness for the president if the president was asking or directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go. >> -- by that time he has been fired. >> meanwhile trump's legal team is expecting a response for a sit down with mueller. they are expecting the response sometime this week. most recently giuliani said the president would answer questions about collusion but not about obstruction after the election. comey's firing would be off limits and now the trump legal team is setting time limits. mr. giuliani said the president is open to talking to mr. mueller under limited conditions but in a new development said mr. trump would not sit for an interview after september 1 because it would interfere with the midterm elections. here with us a former assistant u.s. attorney with the eastern and southern district of new york and sam stein is back w

this michael flynn story is at the beginning of the presidency and it might actually be the period in the trump presidency where people like don mcgahn were operating most closely by the book, possibly because they didn't realize how's wild the whole place was going to become. >> i think this could be a very significant factual development. it has an echo of -- remember when there was that tweeted that president trump put out that said i had to fire mike flynn because he lied to the fbi and then his lawyer, i think it was john dowd, came back very quickly and said no, no, i put out that tweet and i got it wrong. it does ring true that this is a fact they have known for a long time is a troubling fact because when you try to have to establish obstruction of justice you have to show that the person acted with a corrupt intent. and if president trump knew and learned even just before he asked jim comey to stand down on the flynn investigation i think there could be some powerful evidence of the corrupt intent that's necessary. >> according to murray waa 16789's reporting this is very cle

comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. they already know that. so why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath? >> and you're also saying that a month ago you didn't tell abc news that he said something along the lines of can you give him a break? >> no, i did not. i said that is what comey says. the reality is comey in some ways ends up being a good witness for us. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying the president was asking him, directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was can you give him a break? >> so john heilemann, what are we to make of that? is rudy giuliani making it up as he goes along? is he purposefully lying? does he have early on set of dementia? how does he go from yesterday saying he never asked that question to us of course having a tape where clearly a couple weeks ago he said that's precisely what the

trump then national security advisor michael flynn. cnn's boris sanchez has more now on giuliani's reversal. >> reporter: rudy giuliani is trying to make the case this is not a contradiction but rather a misunderstanding. back in july when he spoke to abc news he said that the president asked james comey to cut a break for michael flynn, to take it easy on him. something he says he was asked to do many times as a prosecutor. he also suggests that james comey should not have taken that as a direction from president trump. that's why he makes the argument that the president did not attempt to obstruct justice. i want you to listen now to exactly what rudy giuliani said during that abc news interview just a few weeks ago. here it is. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying the president was asking him or directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. >> rudy giuliani here saying this is simply a miscommunication. he apologized for the confusion that was create

now he never said anything to him at all about michael flynn. what's happening here and how to reconcile it. >> 180. only person to answer this is the president and understand why mueller would want to talk to him and keep in mind that's one of the key issues within the obstruction investigation. did the president try and influence the flynn investigation essentially firing the former fbi director because of the flynn investigation? this whole idea he told the fbi director, can you see your way out of it and let it go? certainly the only person that can really answer that is the president. lawyers spin and say whatever they want. ultimately, you know, as we said, there's a concern from the giuliani team, from the lawyers on the president's side that there's perjury trap and saying this is why he's -- >> the point is, perjury trap. way to avoid the trap is to tell the truth. >> that's what we keep saying. will the president ever sit down with the mueller team? >> thanks very much. >>> joining me is democratic congressman david cicilline of rhode

comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. >> joining our discussion now, senior editor for the atlantic and a former federal prosecutor and former assistant u.s. district attorney. let's start first with what rudy giuliani said. there was no discussion of michael flynn. that may be the only workable defense strategy, rather than get into, i didn't say that. just, oh, no, we never discussed it. >> it is probably the best strategy for him, but it is too little too late. even giuliani has gone on tv. trump has acknowledged there was conversations but tried to explain them away. this is what happens with everything that comes out with them. you have this evolution where it starts with no, it didn't happen and once there are ir reputable facts, they come out and say, okay, but it wasn't illegal. here we've done the reverse. i think they didn't quite realize how bad it was going to be. so they said, yeah, he had a conversation. they said, it's okay for him to say that

and changing his story here about michael flynn. is this a strategy or a misspeak? >> it is a shift in strategy. first they said what the president said didn't mean what comey said. then they said the president can do whatever he wants. there is no problem. now they are denying the conversation all together. there is a shift in strategy. at the same time, giuliani says many things all the time. he constantly contradicts himself. there is a strategy there. throw everything out in the public. and the public is confused. it is hard to know what to believe. >> especially when you hear this explanation from giuliani about the contradicting stories. listen. s>> can you give a break? you said that? >> i said it, but i said before that i'm talking about the version of it. lawyers argue. i know it is complicated. we have been over it long enough -- why would i say something that isn't true? the president didn't say to him go easy on flynn or anything about flynn. he is saying that. i'm talking about their alternative. i'm saying the conversation never took place. if it did t

flynn. >> the president says he never told comey that he should go easy on flynn. comey says the president did. he put it in his memo. if he goes in and testifies to that under oath, instead of just being a dispute, they can say it is perjury. if they elect to believe comey, instead of trump. >> cnn white house correspondent boris sanchez joins us live from new jersey, where the president is spending his holiday. boris this is a big u-turn. giuliani had previously said the exact opposite, right? >> that's right, ana. giuliani maintains this is not a contradiction, but let's recall in july on abc news, he said that president trump asked james comey to cut michael flynn some slack, to give him a break, so to speak, something he says that he was asked to do many times as a prosecutor. he argues that comey should have taken him into consideration but not seen it as a directive and that is why he says president trump did not attempt to obstruct justice. you don't have to take my word for it. this

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michael flynn. he served briefly as national security adviser before he was forced out, fired for lying about his contacts with the russian ambassador before the inauguration. at the time, president trump supposedly asked then fbi chief james comey to go easy on flynn. that's what tomorrowy testicome and what he wrote in a membo to his colleagues. he said this in front of congress, so under oath. a month ago rudy giuliani shrugged it off. this weekend he said comey never discussed it. this is a complete reversal. >> it goes from the idea that there was conversations about michael flynn between the president and the former fbi director but didn't get into specifics about letting him go. this then yesterday wihat giuliani said was there was no conversation with the former fbi director and the president. of course, the importance in all of this is that this is all going to the heart of the obstruction investigation. here is what giuliani said on july 8 to abc's george stephanopoulos. >> what he said to

. >> what happened in that conversation with comey about michael flynn? what exactly did president trump say? >> there was no conversation about michael flynn. >> so you're saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn. >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. they already know that. so why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath? >> and you're also saying that a month ago you didn't tell abc news that he said something along the lines of can you give him a are break? >> no, i did not. i said that is what comey says. >> that's not what he said. trump's side of the story continues to evolve. that's nice. nicely put. james comey has stuck to his recollection, which he documented in contemporaneous notes of that exchange. according to the former fbi director the president told him "i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting flynn go." well, this comes after giuliani told mueller last week he won't allow the presidential to be questioned about obstruction o

flynn go. >> he didn't say that. he said can you give him a break. >> which is it? the president never asked him that or did he? the president told him during that meeting, i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go. to letting glieflynn go. he is a good guy. >>> president trump is slamming his attorney general jeff sessions again. the president tweeting our ag is scared stiff and missing in action. the president also criticizes sessions for failing on acting on meetings with bruce steele and ohr. ohr's wife worked for fusion gps. >>> serious concerns about security in the white house now we know former aide omarosa manigault newman was able to sneak a recording device in the situation room. omarosa appeared on "meet the press" and claimed the recording you are about to hear is chief of staff john kelly firing her last sees. >> i think it is important to understand if we make this a friendly departure, we can look at your time here in the white house as a year of service to the nation and you can go on with

flynn which means michael flynn is continuing to cooperate with bob mueller as well what we. no has happened up to this point is the president and states has engaged in behavior that meets the threshold of impeachment that was used for bill clinton had a likelihood of a republican congress actually abiding by that threshold is slim but we could see the house flip in november and all bets are off. david your republican. colleagues former colleagues more and more of them standing up to trump. so they are clinging to power and they have a decision right now to make whether or not to continue to insulate donald trump or not you know there are a lot of questions even today whether or not impeachment charges a bill against bill clinton went too far or not there are arguments on both sides but what you did see is the democrats on the hill surround bill clinton and stand by him even suggest that trying to impeach bill clinton was undermining the election that the american people voiced their choice for for bill clinton republicans up to now have suggested they're standing with donald

there was no conversation about michael flynn. the president didn't find out until comey believed there was until february when it took place. >> you are saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he was asked that question. >> now, hang on a second because just a few weeks ago giuliani said that the president and comey did discuss flynn. >> he's saying that the president was asking, directing him n his words, to get the michael flynn investigation go. >> he didn't ask him to did that. >> comey says he took it that way. >> that's okay. at that time he he was fired and turned out a lot of things that he said were untrue. as a prosecutor i was told that many times, can you give the man a break. >> just a reminder here in the former fbi director's memos comey claims the president said quote i hope you can let this go. let's talk to peter waner. he served in three republican administrations, reagan, bush 41 and bush 43. nice to have you on. first up, jewel july sayi

yes it is in some ways i mean when you talk about michael flynn when you talk about paul metaphor these are really associations and there's a. a lot of correlations there but there's no causalities with michael cohen you have a direct causal relationship you know we have these tapes that cohen himself or at least where he's discussing payments to care mcdougall so we have much stronger evidence that there's a smoking gun here ok to get our viewers the background now on that second case that could put pressure on the u.s. president another former trump associate his former campaign manager paul metaphor has been found guilty by a jury on eight charges the judge in that case declared a mistrial on ten other counts amount of four was convicted of filing false tax returns connection with millions of dollars on lobbying for ukraine failing to disclose all sure bank accounts and two counts of bank fraud not a foolish prime's came to light as part of the investigation into possible washington influence on the u.s. election president trump commented on the verdict after landing in west virginia

>> there was no conversation about michael flynn. >> but, mr. mayor, you told abc news last month that the president told comey, quote, ou "canive him a break?" now you're saying they never had -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. i've never said that. >> so you're saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn?he >> that is whaill testify to if he's asked that question. >> and you're also saying that a montago you didn't tell abc news that he said something along the lines of -- >> of course not. ak>> "can you give him a b >> no, i did not. >> seth: there you go. rudy insistse never told abc that trump said, "give him a break." well, rudy better get the sharpie ready because this one is about to blow up in his face. [ laughter ] >> i just want to play the sound so people understand why i asked the question. >> sure. okay. >> how is he a good witness for the prident if he's saying the president was asking him, directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that

testify if asked the conversation about michael flynn did not take place. if he were to testify to that even though james comey has a prior statement underoath similar to the president's that there was no obstruction, they could charge him with perjury. >> reporter: denying the michael flynn conversation is a new claim. last month rudy giuliani said the conversation did take place. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he -- >> he didn't direct him to do that. he said can you -- >> reporter: the trial of former trump campaign chairman paul manafort heads into week 3. there is speculation the trial could wrap up this week. he is facing a number of charges related to financial trod brought by special counsel robert mueller's team. russia, president trump, the 2016 campaign are not the focus of the trial. some say the trial could impact the perception of the russian probe. >>> still to come, people are in disbelief after flyers appeared around town encouraging people to join the kkk. what we are learning from police. >> and questions how a airline w

comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that -- that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. they already know that. so why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath. >> and you're also saying a month ago you didn't tell abc news he said something along the lines -- >> of course not. >> -- of can you give him a break? >> no, i said that is what comey says. >> the reality is comey in some way ends up a good witness for us. >> how is he a good witness if he's saying the president was directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation to go. >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said was, can you give him a break. >> and joining me again, washington correspondent for global national enez de la quetara. thanks for sticking around. what is president trump's end game as you continues that attack against him own attorney general? >> so poor jeff sessions, right? scared stiff and missing in action, some of the harshest words the president has used with regards t

this is according to prosecutors for robert mueller, attorneys for michael flynn. they have now updated the court on the status of this case. they say that, quote, due to the status of its investigation, the special counsel's office does not believe this matter is ready to be scheduled for sentencing at this time. both sides say they'll update the court in 30 days in i guess in or around september 17th. significant here is michael flynn's sentencing has been delayed. how do you interpret that? does that mean he's cooperating, he's providing something valuable? the prosecution still has more they want from him? >> once again, frustrating response. >> not at all. you're the expert. two sides to it. one is, it's a pro forma normal thing. any of us who served as u.s. district attorney knows. your point is well taken, it could be there's some additional new development. there's been some more sit-downs. again, looking from the outside in, ayman, we really can't definitively say. >> your take, on the michael flynn development? >> yes, i would say that it's unlikely they'

we got michael flynn behind president trump. what a trio. maggie haberman of "the new york times" tweeted trump folks are worried about impeachment more than before. the thinking goes like this. this is something tangible. not hetheoretical. do you think that impeachment is likely at this point? >> i think we have to let it play out to see what prosecutors have directly corroborating what michael cohen said and linking the president in. but there's no question that the president's jeopardy is much higher this morning than it was 24 hours. that you have, after months of the president calling into question the credibility and the effectiveness of special counsel mueller's investigation, they've now added to their dozens of indictments and pleas with eight serious conviction accounts. you have michael cohen who is the president's longtime trusted adviser, whatever he may say about him this morning, directly implicating the president in not just wrongdoing, but crime, which nobody has done previously. and you also have this phenomenon of the pre

never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to, if he is asked that question. they already know that. why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath? >> that was over the weekend. hold on a minute. that's not what giuliani said a little over a month ago. >> comey, in some ways, ends up being a good witness for us. >> how is he a good witness for the president, if he is saying the president was asking him, directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation to go? >> what he said was, can you give me -- >> i'm joined my former assistant u.s. attorney in washington, d.c., partner. and with me on the panel, ap reporter lisa. and back with me, "daily mail" correspondent franchesca. glen, i'll start with you and the discrepancy. how do you explain it? are we being too nuanced here? >> no, we're not being too nuanced. i'm really surprised at rudy giuliani on this. i think to contradict a st statement you made 30 days ago is startling. apparently, i think, he

no sentencing for michael flynn, at least not yet. meanwhile, other important news happening right now. the u.s. intelligence community warned this would happen again, and now it has. microsoft says russians tried to hack the u.s. senate as well as conservative think tanks here in washington. those attempts thwarted just weeks ahead of the november midte midterm elections. the attempted cyberattack happening as the president of the united states is still casting doubt on russia's meddli meddling in the 2016 presidential election. let's go to our senior national correspondent joining us right now. alex, you've been doing a lot of reporting on this. what can you tell us about this attempted hack? >> wolf, this was not the government that came forward with this information. this was microsoft, who are saying that a number of sites were set up in order for russia to carry out attacks on the u.s. midterm elections. now, they are pointing the finger squarely at fancy bear. you'll remember that name. that is the russian hacking group that's

when it comes to michael cohen. >> absolutely. you mean for michael flynn or michael cohen? >> michael cohen. >> for michael cohen. michael cohen, yes. cooperation is an ongoing evaluation. just because we didn't see any evidence of a cooperation agreement it's very common. in my cases you don't want to mention a cooperation agreement in open court unless you absolutely have to. there are two major reasons why, number one, you could compromise an ongoing investigation but number two your clients could be at risk if people out there, bad actors, know that he is cooperating. as they say, unfortunately, snitches get stitches. that's a saying that's thrown around the courthouses for a reason. it's dangerous to be a snitch. it's not uncommon even at sentencing to go to sidebar and say, hey, judge, we have a motion here which is a signal that there's cooperation, then go back in open court and proceed with sentencing. >> danny cevallos, i am sure it is going to be another busy day for you. >> we haven't even talked about manafort yet. >> i will save that for later. >>> still ahead

flynn. this is the president's attorney rudy giuliani on cnn this morning. >> the president says that he never told comey that he should go easy on flynn. comey says that the president did. he put it in the memo. if he goes in to testify to that under oath and instead of this being a dispute, they can say it is perjury. if they elect to believe comey instead of trump. >> you will recall however james comey testified under oath that the president had asked him to see his way clear of inv investigating flynn and oh, yeah, last month, giuliani confirmed that this happened. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he is saying that the president is asking him and directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go. >> he did not say that. what he said is that -- >> comey says that he took it as direction. >> well, that is okay, because by that time, he had been fired and he said a lot of things that turned out to be untrue. the reality is that as a prosecutor, i was told

as you said yesterday, giuliani simply says that there were no conversations about michael flynn. but here's what he said on july 8th to abc's george st stephanopoul stephanopoulos. >> what i said too him was -- >> he said he took it as direction. >> that's okay. taking it that way. by that time he had been fired and said a lot of other things, some of which have turned out to be untrue. the reality is, as a prosecutor, i was told that many times. can you give the man a break? either by his lawyers or relatives or by friends. you take that into consideration. >> so poppy, yesterday rudy giuliani as you said taken a different position saying there was no conversation at all regarding michael flynn and here's what he told jake tapper. >> the president didn't say to him go easy on flynn or anything about flynn. he's saying that. i'm talking about their alternative. i'm saying the conversation never took place. but if it did take place and here's the conversation that's alleged, it is not illegal to have said that. >> really whether it's illegal or not, that is something that is at th

>> there was no conversation about michael flynn. the president didn't find out that comey believed there was until about i think it was february when it supposedly took place. memo came out in may. and in between, comey testified under oath, in no way he had been obstructed at any time. then all of a sudden in may he says he felt obstructed. he felt pressured by that comment, you should go easy on flynn. so we maintain the president didn't say that. but if we do that under oath, we end up in a sort of martha stewart situation. >> mr. mayor, you told abc news last month that the president told comey, quote, can you give him a break. now you're saying -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. never said that. i said that is what comey is saying trump said. i have always said the president denies it. it would be easier for me if the president did say that. jay and i could defend that. the statement go easy on him is hardly an obstruction. obstruction involves a threat, obstruction involves a false testimony, obstruction involves an of

instead, he says that the president asked james comey to give michael flynn a break. in fact, he goes on to say that it was something he was asked to do many times as a prosecutor. he makes the case that it is not obstruction of justice and that james comey should not have taken that as a directive. you don't have to take my word for it. there is video. watch this. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying the president was asking him, directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was, can you give -- >> comey says he took it as direction. >> that's okay. by that time, he had been fired. he said a lot of other things, some of which have turned out to be untrue. the reality is as a prosecutor, i was told that many times. can you give the man a break? either by his lawyers, by his relatives, by friends. you take that into consideration. that doesn't determine not going forward with it. >> reporter: this is not the first time the president and his legal team have sought t

comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. they already know that. so why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath? >> it's a direct contradiction of giuliani's earlier account of the very same meeting. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying that the president was asking, directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was, can you -- >> comey said he took it as direction. >> there are more than a few problems with the new-new trump didn't obstruct justice defense including this important one. jim comey shared contemporaneous memos with colleagues about the details of the meeting and te >> this is the president speaking. i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting flynn go. he is a good guy. i hope you can let this go. now, those are his exact words. is that correct? >> correct. >> and you them here and you put th

giuliani now says the whole encounter never took place. >> there was no conversation about michael flynn. the president didn't find out that comey believed there was until about i think it was february when it supposedly took place. the memo came out in may. >> but mr. mayor, you told abc news last month that the president told comey, "can you give him a break?" now you're saying they never had -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. i never said that. what i said was that is what comey is saying trump said. >> i never said that, that's crazy. okay. let's check the tape. >> he's saying the president was asking him, directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go. >> and he didn't direct him to do that. what he said was can you -- >> comey says he took it as direction. >> it's okay. by that time he had been fired. as a prosecutor i was told that many times. can you give the man a break? either by his lawyers, by his relatives, by friends. you take that into consideration. but that doesn't determine not going forward with it. >> giuliani's explanation that he was de

he claims that president trump never asked ever fbi director james comey to go easy on michael flynn. the former national security adviser who has already pled guilty. but that's not what giuliani said last month. >> the conversation about michael flynn, the president didn't find out that comey believed there was about -- i think it was february when it supposedly took place. >> you told abc news that the president told comey quote can you give him a break. now you're saying they never -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. the reality is comey is a good witness for us. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying that the president was directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was can you give him a break? >> joining me is a former federal prosecutor and glenn, let me get you to react to this. there's a lot of contradiction when you listen to rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer. who do you make of this one? this is something that comey talked about when he testified before congre

first why trump fired fbi director jim comey and what he said about michael flynn. according to legal experts it's unlikely the mueller team will agree to those terms. but rudy giuliani says it doesn't matter because the holt investigation is illegitimate. >> the case will blow up on them. there is a lot more to what they did that nobody knows about yet. in is a lot more to the obstruction of justice and the collusion, to the fake dossier, trying to bring steele back in after he was completely discredited abu omar al-shishani discredit -- and then feed it to mueller. kennedy: giuliani is going to investigate the investigators. is it opening up the president's legal problems? joining me, the legendary alan dershowitz. this is a different tactic the trump legal team is take. do you think it am good one? >> i don't want to see anybody criminally prosecuted. i don't think the mueller people should be prosecuted for obstruction of justice. i don't want to see the law obstruction of justice expanded. i came into this and wrote my book about the impeachment of trump, i bel

flynn. >> is there was no conversation about michael flynn. the president didn't find out that comey believed there was until about i think it was february when it supposedly took place. >> but mr. mayor, you told abc news last month that president told comey, quote, can you give him a break. how your saying -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. i never said that. >> crazy. he never said that, he says. but here he is, july 8th on abc saying that. >> how is he a good witness for president if he is saying that the president was asking him, directing him in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was -- >> comey says -- >> so in case you missed that, because the cross talk, mr. giuliani said, quote, what he said to him was, can you give me a break, which is of course the exact thing he denied saying to jake. not to be deterred, mr. giuliani took another crack at it this morning. >> what he was saying is perfectly justifiable. he didn't say you must, you have to, i'll fire