president. it says it was a holy grail. writing -- trump seen here in december 1987 greeting mikhail gorbachev in washington, first visited moscow earlier that year to scope out luxury hotel sites, a plan that eventually fell through. he traveled again in 1996 exploring another project. that project fizzled. in fact, former trump biographer points out after he was sued for libel, trump told attorneys, it's ridiculous that i wouldn't be investing in russia. russia is one of the top places in the world for investment. tim, let's go over this. what is it about his movement to russia, what is it about the appeal of moscow generally of russia? why is he always dreaming in that direction? >> well, you know, i would put this in context. i actually don't think it's only russia. trump was engaged in a number of these deals before he became, shortly before he became president, all over the world. he was doing it in brazil, doing it in india. he was trying to do it in russia. all of it mattered to him generally cutting deals in which the he had to put nothing into it. someone else financed it.