but robin steinberg, you have been working on national bail fund, but also seeing what's happening locally around the country. can you share both your, you know, experience with bail reform and also if you want to chime in on any views, we will come back to those conversations. >> sure. first, i appreciate my comments of my fellow panelists and particularly joanne's comments that is a painful reminder of the cost of justice. i experienced as public defender in south bronx. and there is obviously the human and moral cost and the economic price some of us referred to here that we all pay. we spend 14 billion every year holding people in jail pretrial. that's 38 million a day. and when you factor in the collateral consequences, runs as high as 140 billion annually we spend holding people in jail who haven't been convicted of a crime. and it's already been talked about it is staggering. half a million sitting in jail tonight. that affects 2.5 million every year and we turn in this country through this country. each one is a human life, it's important to remember that. that human life is connec