and when i does have tremendous violations. -- brunei does have tremendous violations. we pulled our event from the beverly hills hotel, which is owned by the sultan of brunei. we are trying to wake up people that these trade agreements sometimes i would countries that are just violating human rights. and we should have higher standards. as i say, trade cannot trump, you know, basic human rights and the rights of women. they will flog women in public, it is just an outrage. at a hope more people understand that, and that we can demand more from our trading partners. if they want to trade with united states, they have to have a better record on human rights. host: let's get one more call here from staten island, new york. catherine is on the independent line. caller: yes, good morning. miss meal, -- ms. smeal, i'm listening to you, and how more equal do you want to be? with whom? guest: you want to have boys and girls, men and women equal. there should be equal education opportunities. and health care. there should be areas of health care in which women are -- i will giv