, colorado making $18,000 a year receive 3,300 in credits for her two children. how much was she making. >> $18,000, not $174,000. >> then she would receive -- she would have it would seem no tax liability accounting for the credit, and would receive all or a portion of the $1,000 refundable credit. i would have to do the calculation. >> some portion of $1,000. what if she had three or four children? >> then it would be the same portion multiplied by three or four. >> what about the person making $174,000, if they continue to have three or four or five children? >> child credit's addive. so three or four -- >> which means they get a massive credit whereas the person who is a single mom in rifle, colorado, gets a de minimus credit? >> with three or four children, income tax liability would be driven to zero, and the amount of refundable credit would probably be -- >> it just says it all, it says it all about how this plan is stacked. we have such an opportunity if we worked in a diplomat way to actually drive incomes of middle class people up. and that's not what we are using this to do.