liz: i know this sound crazy, guys, in my hand is a ancient blackberry. when sony to the hacked way back in the day couple years ago after the movie and south koreans had hacked, they went down into the basement and distributed old blackberries. this thing is so old it has pistons in it. i don't have a charger that fits it. is there any device, alex, you trust and is safe? >> as consumers in regular business users most of us are not being tar the abouted by these tip of the spear cia spy r the most part we should use two-factor authentication, password manager, keep all vices up-to-date. if there are old devices that are no longer getting updates and haven't seen active security inhaves in quite some time, you would do well to got rid of them. hiding behind obsecurity of those devices isn't a long term viable tactic. liz: alex, david, thank you very much. >> thank you, liz. david: liz: if you're out there, call these guys, they will find holes in our systems. >> absolutely.
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