i mean, he is the father -- as jacob zimmer said, he's south africa's greatest son, but he is the father of modern south africa. he was such a great patriot. i just think that he really sees as his legacy. he doesn't necessarily think about anything larger than that, even though his legacy is larger than that. i think he saved his country and brought democracy to his country. >> it was so interesting to hear president obama eulogize nelson mandela. this crowd in that stadium went wild for obama. and obama in some ways tying his own inspiration for politics, his own journeys to his own improbable journey to that of nelson mandela and comparing nelson mandela to gandhi and dr. king and abraham lincoln. this was a remarkable address. >> i think it was very personal for the president. and i think he was obviously inspired. his first political awakening came in the anti-apartheid movement. something he said i just really struck me and had resonance with me, that lovely line that nothing was inevitable about nelson mandela's life. i think in some sense he's thinking about himself, too. nothing