was a movement called jefferson it has been going on for a few years so we were talking about tax reform and slowly the callers took over the radio program that was all whole program about jefferson. there were so interested to adjust if i seceding to create their own state even the guys and i will not take any more calls about jefferson. [laughter] is very interesting. so we should have a good debate but you should realize to accomplish that you need not only to have votes of the citizens of california but it would take the approval of congress. if the republicans were lucky enough to win both houses then the next door around we cannot guarantee to get something like that for because you have two more years of obama and who knows? realistically it would never have been and we will just have to keep fighting the fight to because the state's is worth it. i wrote the book to say they should not come to california but it should be reformed. but i appreciate the fact there is a guy behind that that has a lot of funding to do that it will help the debate. >> i am from flagstaff arizona

is the seed of conservatism. god, not tong to other men. that is it, right there. jefferson said something similar when he said no man was born with a saddle on his back, and another man with boots and spurs to ride him by the race of god. all men belong to god. not to other men. idea is codified in our founding document. the 55 most important words in world history. we hold these truths to be self-evident, all men are rated endowed by they are their creator with certain inalienable rights, and among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. no more important words have been written in modern history. those 55 words, all men belong to god. lincoln, standing on the graves of thousands american , four scoreysburg and seven years ago, he talks about that very idea. a nation conceived in liberty, dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. what's he say at the end? these here who have given the last full measure so that a nation

figures, obviously, in history. thomas jefferson is somebody we remember as a glamorous figure. george washington in some ways, and, of course, in recent history, more recent history, president kennedy is somebody

and there was a call in. there's a movement in northern california called jefferson because they want to start a state that would be -- and it's been going on for a few years. the southern part of oregon and the northern part of california. we were talking about subbot in and talking about how bad the taxes are an slowly the callers took over the radio program and it became a program about jefferson. they were so interested in the book to justify seceding in creating their own states that even the guy running the radio program said i'm not going to take any more calls about jefferson. i think it's very interesting and i think that we should have a good debate but you have to realize that to accomplish that, you need not only to have votes of the california legislature or the citizens of california. they could do it through an initiative but it would also take the approval of congress and the president and if the republicans were lucky enough to win both houses of congress the next go-round we still can't guarantee that we are going to be able to get something like that through. w

goes to washington." the late great jimmy stewart's character, jefferson smith, ed come to washington full of national pride and wonder and yet in a short time, he has been framed and scandalized by the forces of washington corruption. he is about to be banished from the u.s. senate. it's in a pivotal scene, he stands with his suitcase in hand, literally sobbing in the shadow of the statue of abraham lincoln. he is implored to resist the forces of corruption. she says the following -- your friend, mr. lincoln, had his enemies. so did every other man who try to lift his thoughts up off the ground. odds against them did not stop them. they were fools that way. all the good that ever came into the world came from. faith like that. they're not all tailored in washington. that kind just throw big shadows. you do not have faith in any other living man. you had faith in something other than that. you had decent, everyday, common rightness and the country can use that. you said mr. lincoln was sitting up there waiting for someone to come along. you're right. he was waiting for men

fathers were heavily in debt. when thomas jefferson died they were taking him to a collection to pay off his debts that he just could not get out from under. he was a very good writer and not so good at running a plantation. that actually ends of showing up in the national characteristics. the bankruptcy code is so much more generous than anyone else in the world that people don't believe it. people are surprised to hear that harsh, mean america doesn't care about the downtrodden is incredibly lenient if you get into financial trouble. i went to memphis which is the bank of the capital of the world's as a journalist for this book to go look at -- the bank of capital of the world, memphis is the bank of to capital of the middle east--the midwest. memphis has something like 1% of the population declaring bankruptcy. a really high number. if that were normal and all of you would know, everyone you know what declared bankruptcy and some point in your lives. that is not the case. i went to memphis to look at this and you would think i'm expecting screaming mothers hurling themselves at th