one, walking into the memorial itself, and it sits between the lincoln memorial and the jefferson memorial. and looks down on the tidal basin, and there was dr. king and it didn't look anything like i thought from the television cameras. and, in fact, was so much more impressive and i urged everyone to go see it. the inscriptions along the wallways, it's a really, you know, beautiful memorial. >> do you have any indication of when that ceremony might be rescheduled? obviously a lot of disappointment. people understand why it was postponed, but do we have any indication when that might be -- we might get the actual dedication? >> well, people are really disappointed. i mean, this also was the weekend of the anniversary of the march on washington. >> right. >> and so, there was that -- >> a lot of significance. >> a lot of significance. and i think that we're going to hear from organizers, they suggested yesterday that it could be perhaps in october, and whenever it happens, visitors should come to washington, they should enjoy an experience the memorial as i did with my mom. who lived under

there are several what they call serpentine walls that date from jefferson's days and they are meandering walls that are s-curved and getting a lot of priority in addition to the rotunda and some of the main buildings on campus that are being inspected, but the university official there says that the operations of the university have not been fundamentally changed. of course, it is summertime now, and they are on a summer class schedule, but that nothing has been canceled, and they have no reports of damage or injury, and you know, tamron, as you were talking with bob bazell, that is is the case everywhere we check and certainly the case at homeland security which is next door to us here in washington, d.c. a homeland official says that many of the homeland folks did leave their buildings today, but that the operation center at homeland remained continually operating and that part was not affected, but check around town, there doesn't seem to be here in washington any serious reports of damage or injury or damage to buildings or, so i think that, you know, at least as far as we can tell s

thomas jefferson had a particular affection for the so-called farmer of early american politics. "the federalist and agrarian forces in government were divided in opinion by the revolution, the federalists were in favor of a strong central government and look to the commercial and industrial expansion. the republicans believed in the local government and economy based on small independent farmers. the american yeoman farmer has become a symbol of philosophy. above all professions, he would recommend farming to his son. among his reason, farming is among the vocation that con deuces most directly to reverence for honesty and truth. he would look out for every man because he was the every man, and jefferson believed that kind of person would make a great politician. she's not a farmer, but does that remind you of anyone? >> it's a lending industry that has changed its model. credit cards know we're the easiest ones to see. they have switched from the notion of i'll lend you money because i think you'll be able to pay and we'll find a reasonable rate to doing that over to a tricks a

on the mall where he addressed the multitudes and to be the only unelected figure, you've got jefferson, washington, lincoln, but martin luther king jr., what does that mean? >> i think it means a great deal. not only to african-americans, but to all americans. when you see what is being created there, when now it's open to everybody in the next few days you will be amazed at one, how beautiful it is. but also the words that will be ib scribed on the words around the memorial. martin luther king coming out of that stone of hope. i think it will be an inspiration to all who go and see it. who go and experience it. who go and witness it. and i want to see kids go there by the thousands because i want them to read those words. i want them to understand what was done for them. and don't blow the opportunity. we're counting on you. so many of our youngsters are doing extremely well, but we do have problems. and we've got to work on these problems. we can never think that his dream is over until it truly is overand it is not a dream. it is a reality for all americans. not just african-america

the lincoln, the jefferson and so forth. a lot of inspection has to be done there, too. >> let's hope that's all okay. i'm thinking about all the people this week to the be first to go see the martin luther king jr. memorial. >> reporter: if it happens, because of the hurricane. it may be put off. >> and then we have the hurricane coming. you're right. >> reporter: right. >> pete williams and jim miklaszewski on a very busy tuesday. guy, thank you so much. >> you bet. >>> up next, a different type of earthquake. in libya today. the rebels storming moammar gadhafi's compound in tripoli. but where is he? hi...do you happen to have any brilliant silver altimas? yea, right over here. look at 'em all. what about a black frontier with utilitrack? absolutely. oh, great, that's awesome. what about a platinum graphite rogue with touch-screen nav, bluetooth, and...a moonroof? with or without leather? we got 'em both. [ sighs ] i gotta get back. [ male announcer ] the most innovative cars are also the most available cars. nissan. innov

in the post-citizens united era, is there any room left for people power, for jefferson's yeoman. if anyone has answers, my money's on elizabeth warren. >>> if you were near a >>> if you were near a television shortly after noon eastern today, you got to see something extraordinary. rebels stormed and took control of gadhafi's compound, the place he had been launching attacks against his own people and where he once swore on stated-controlled television to cleanse libya house by house of citizens that were disloyal. richard engel was the first to report from inside the compound. he walked viewers throughout the scene of the important victory of a revolution 42 years in the making. it was truly must-see tv. so if you were at work or out to lunch and you missed it, here's your chance to see history. lean forward. >> i am inside gadhafi's compound, this compound was designed as a last-stand facility. it was full of weapons, it was full of food, it was full of fuel, and some of that fuel, apparently was burning. we are seeing rebels storming in. they have just found the bodies of some

by the way the jefferson and lincoln memorials were closed but they have now reopened and there are no injuries. as you might imagine people on the west coast are still mocking people in the northeast. californians, washingtonians they might be used to this kind of thing. it really scared a lot of people who didn't know what was happening. tom costello has some of the best moments caught on tape. >> the earthquake hit in the middle of the day. >> there's another tremor. >> 1:15 mm time. interrupting a cooking show on tv in washington. >> the niche is nearly reddy. earthquake. >> those who felt the powerful quake could hardly believe it. >> my first impression was is the building coming down on me? i didn't know. yoipt to panic, but everything in me told me to get out of that building. >> people not used to earthquakes in this region ran from buildings. some dove under their desks. david harmon was making a commercial for his car service company in chantilly, virginia. >> what was that? my god, i think that was an earthquake. >> the 5.8 magnitude quake was centered here in the small tow

the american yeoman farmer has become a symbol articulated by jefferson. in 19 lt century, greelly writes above all professions he would recommend farming to his son. among his reasons is that farming is the vocation which con dueses most directly to reverence for honesty and truth. in short, the yeoman farmer would look out for every man because he was the every man. jefferson believed that kind of person would make a great politician. she's not a farmer. but does that remind you of anyone? >> it's a lending industry that has changed its model. credit cards, though, are the ease quest ones to see. they have switched from the notion of i'll lend you money because i think you'll be able to repay and we'll find a reasonable rate for doing that over to a tricks and traps model. >> it's just growing people. tricking and screwing people. >> the job is to trick people and trap them. that's how -- >> she's not a farmer but warren has made the focus of her professional and political career the advocacy of ordinary people against powerful corporations. as she makes

the museum, the lincoln memorial, jefferson, washington memorial, washington monument. we know, of course, they are working on the martin luther king jr. memorial. the formal ceremony on sunday. the 48th anniversary of that important event. so we are still checking metro and downtown traffic, a total jam. martin? >> thanks, very much, indeed, andrea. >>> and i'm joined now by my colleague peter alexander who's here in downtown manhattan, or midtown manhattan. peter, what's the latest? >> reporter: you know, we want to give you information we're just now getting, martin, coming from one of my colleagues across the hudson river in new jersey, where there's a small airport people in this region may be familiar with. reports that we have confirmed that one of the buildings across from that airport has some structural damage. 2,000 people have been evacuated there. 2,000 many employees. that is the quest diagnostics building just across from the airport that's been damaged. the good news no injuries reported. the workers are telling us, they saw cracks in the walls and some

also 12th street closed between broadway and jefferson but that is not all! clay street is also closed between 11th-16th and jefferson closed between 11th and 15th. oakland officials say that these rose to be back open by monday morning commute. by now, you want to avoid that area. for >>pam: checking traffic. no problems! >> and a suicide bomber in pakistan was aimed at elders. during ramadan. this is a 35,000 people since 2007. with mosques, hotels alting targeted. >> the it is really military is the military in israel-- say that this is in response to terror attacks against israel and from gaza this back-and-forth violence has been escalating. >> a possible earthquake in northeastern japan. 6.8. the possible tsunami warning the same devastated in that the month of march. the hukashimi daiichi plant were no reports of any serious damage or injuries. >> the pope is in spain. a huge youth celebration. complaining that modern society has an amnesia about god. he is seeing more my greeted by some people are angry about the cost of as visit to spain. over $70 mi

the lincoln and jefferson memorials were also temporarily closed. cars were crushed when part of a roof collapsed in vienna, virginia, and some spires were damaged at the washington national cathedral. a d.c. fire department spokesman says there were numerous injuries throughout the city, but nothing serious. >> here at the pentagon, scott, there was some minor damage. some water pipes broke and some hallways and offices were flooded, but it might have been worse. they just completed a structural reinforcement here that began after 9/11. >> pelley: chip, will you share with the folks at home what you told us earlier about what the park police told you? >> well, the park police told us that there were a number of horses-- mounted police officers on the mall say their horses got very antsy about five minutes before the earthquake hit. >> pelley: fascinating. chip reid, thank you very much. the earthquake triggered automatic safety systems at a nuclear power station in virginia, taking two reactors safely off line. a dozen other nuclear plants from nor

>> we went from the jefferson hotel in richmond, virginia, where i first saw barbara in the lobby with elvis. after a little bit of coffee shop things, we took a cab to the mosque theater which was where elvis was performing two shows, both by colonel tom parker. >> you were taking pictures the whole way, on and off. >> i was taking pictures before then and after then. but to cut to the chase. i was up in the men's room where elvis was changing and combing his hair and the jordanaires were there. somehow i got distracted with the jordanairs and elvis left me. i left them and walked down the fire stairwell and on the same platform as the show that was taking place that the colonel had booked, after all, it was the elvis presley show, there was elvis at the back of a long corridor with this woman in silhouette. i said, there he is. and i started photographing him. >> which leads me perfectly, good story teller, leads me right to you. what were you doing in that stairwell, how did you come to meet the king of rock 'n roll? >> we were talking about the things we had talked at on the show e

i've got the greatest job in america held by henry jefferson and i've got things i want to do. i've got a democratic senate and republican house, and we're trying to find a way to cut the rhetoric i. fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cutting spending back to 2006 levels and putting forward a free market approach to job creation and i hope the president will ahave that approach. bill: you were asked about that v.p. position on a radio show yesterday, you said you'd be interested. are you still? >> well, it's media speculation. i said look, if any governor gets a call from a presidential candidate saying you could help our ticket, will you join me, of course you'd be interested but i'm not looking forward or expecting it. i just want to have our republican team win next year, restore federalism, cut spending, get our debt under control, make america our great country. bill: governor, thank you for your time. >> glad to be on with you, thank you very much. bill: we'll talk again. you bet. eighteen minutes past the hour. martha: how about this story? she says a man stormed

you live in one of thomas jefferson's 180-year-old houses. you had some damage, didn't you? >> i did. the earth moved under my feet and i was all shook up and all those other songs. it was intense. i rarely heard something that loud. >> steve: we're glad that there was not more damage. let's talk about political damage that the president is suffering. when you look at the unemployment rate currently in toss-up states like nevada and florida and iowa, new hampshire, and virginia, and ohio, this is not good news for the president. >> no. there is some swing states where i think it's really going to make a difference. for example, nevada, which has the worst unemployment rate in the country. that's 12%. it's really close to 13%. florida, a point and a half above the national average. some states have it lower. iowa, swing state, 6%. new hampshire, 5.2%. so the key point here, steve, is that basically we don't have a national election for president. we have an electoral college and a state by state election. so that's less important than the state race. >> steve: for instance, y

thomas jefferson once the church out of the government. these people want the government out of the church, but they come together in their views. presbyterians write no law should pass to connect the church and state in the future. a baptist and a very famous preachers is the unlawful cohabitation between church and state, which i so often been looked upon his holy wedlock must now suffer a separation and be forever put asunder. the notion we hear today from the right wing that secularism is invented in the 20th century, separation of church and state is something made out of. these are 18th century evangelicals say we will have separation of church and state if you want us to fight for the government. i'll conclude. i will just read a short comment from the very end of the book. during the american revolution, virginia's religious dissenters demanded religious freedom in return for their full support for mobilization. the resulting negotiations change virginia's quality such that after the war, efforts to reinvigorate the establishment f

the attacks on 9/11, but i really do think lincoln was sort of thinking several chess moves ahead of jefferson davis in this situation, and may even with that sort of master stroke has ended up -- i won't say winning the war, but keeping the confederacy from winning the war in the crucial moment. my lincoln is a lincoln who goes from this sort of uncertain and in some ways bumbling guy to by the end of the book a few months into the presidency becoming well on his way to the great leader, the great president that we think of today. >> and was it unfair question -- was it union or slavery? >> for lincoln? >> yeah. >> i think for lincoln, union and slavery were sort of inseparable causes because the reason that the south was succeeding was because of slavery. it was a stand southerners were taking, welcome g -- willing to yield no further to what they called the slave power. this result was decreed by a national election in 1861, and so lincoln recognized that if he were to orchestrate some sort of a compromise, and he played his hands very interesting, candidly and a bit ambivalently during the

was he a sleeping giant that was allowed to slumber too long by jefferson davis? >> well, no, i don't think so because lee's experience in the first year of the war had been a succession of failure. after he had helped immobilize the virginia troops and then had joined the confederacy when virginia finally did join the confederacy, he had been sent out to deal with the problem in the western part of virginia which became west virginia where mcclelland actually had overseen successful union occupation of much of that area. then mcclelland was called to washington in july, and lee was sent out to western virginia to try to recover that area. in august of 1861. and every effort he made turned out to be a failure. he came into, came under all kinds of criticism from the richmond newspapers, he was called granny lee, as you suggest. then in november of 1861 jefferson davis sent him to the south atlantic coast to charleston just in time for lee to witness the capture of port royal by the union navy and the occupation of the south carolina and the georgia sea islands by

that is the way thomas jefferson described good government. that is the government that we want for ourselves, for our children and for our children's children. like you here today i believe in the people. i believe in the goodness of our people and i believe in the greatness of our nation. and i believe that the united states of america is a nation that all americans should be proud of. in 1936 the olympic games were held in nazi terror me. adolf hitler was in power. and hitler attended the opening ceremonies of the olympic games. the olympic teams of each nation were told that as they marched past hitler's reviewing stand, they should get their national flag as a sign of respect to the cure. and so one by one the nations of the world marched past adolf hitler. each one dipping their national flag. and then came the american team and the american flag. and the american team be laid that america and the american flag should never bought to a foreign dictator. [cheers and applause] and so they marched past adolf hitler with the american flag he

porter was able to get out of richmond on a train right behind president jefferson davis and his wife and the entire confederate cabinet. and he went all the way into north carolina, actually tried to go back into richmond but turned around and went back to north carolina. he actually met up with many members of his old command in north carolina. but they all told him to go on. war is over. he thought for a moment with some of the fellows he was with maybe we can keep going west and find a confederate army that is still in the field in louisiana or mississippi. what they did was they wandered all the way into georgia and wound up in the beautiful town of madison. the reason he went there was he had an uncle named john watson porter. railroad man and a banker. he showed up at john watson porter's house. this was in may of 1865. john watson porter took him in. no suitor did john porter take a quarter there's an three of his cousins show up, all of whom had ridden in morgan's command and just surrendered on the tenth of may in washington, georgia. these fellows were edward lowe hines, jo

it's rooted in the legislation that thomas jefferson and james mattis and together you get through the virginia legislature in madison wants to see in the constitution that separates church and state. it's often thought by secular americans the purpose of the legislation was to get religion out of government. the purpose of legislation was to get out of religion. both madison and jefferson themselves saw that the danger came on a particular denomination had the state apparatus on its side because then it could compel forms of action that many people found the poor and 10 both them thought the only safe way to proceed was to keep the spheres separate, not the religion would die, but so a variety of religions may survive. so that vision of rural estate denominations is a vision that is as old as america and the united states of america and is the fish and obama himself has. >> width of the better angels of our nature will prevail and they ain't on that metaphysical and wise note, we will and can please join me and banking for a wonderful session. [applause] >> will continue with both tv

they aren't demagogues although jefferson referred to them. they were very well-educated, the ones at the convention. most of them college graduates. 34 the 55 were lawyers. they were experienced political figures. they had served in the continental congress or in the state legislatures or had been governors, or diplomats. they were experienced people. they were -- it was a loaded convention. most of them or nationals, that is to say they wanted a strong government. is probably a good thing jefferson was abroad as minister of france because he was raise cain in the conviction -- convention because he would have not like the virginia plan that his friend and colleague madison proposed, which was really extraordinarily strong government. so, you have the kind of loaded convention. lansing and yates from new york, who were real antifederalists come to the convention and as soon as they see this virginia plan emerge and they begin to grasp the implications of if they that they walked out. we don't want this. this is and what we bargained for. so,

it looks. >> of proposals that was carried to london from jefferson davis early 1865. in exchange for the british recognition the confederacy would wooded be a specific of it and every time we come back it is the congress. but two they could slay the add-ons. >> we'll moscow with the british steel's plan for us to receive the of plan, in fact, almost

and so john porter was able to get out of richmond on a train right behind president jefferson davis and davis' wife and the entire confederate cabinet. he went all the way into north carolina. actually tried to go back into richmond, but then turned around and went back into north carolina. he actually met up with many members of his only command? north carolina. but they all told him to go on. the war is over for us. he thought with some of the fellas that he was with, maybe he can keep going west and find a confederate army that's still in the field in loosen transmississippi. what they did, they wardennered all the way into georgia and wound out in the beautiful little town of madison, georgia. the reason that he went there was that he had an uncle living there who was name was john watson porter, very wealthy man, railroad man, banker. he shows up at john watson porter's house in may of 1865. and john watson porter took him in and no sooner did john porter take up quarters there than three of his dozens show up. all of whom had ridden in morgan's command with him, and all of who

all, why did the south have to defend slavery and twelve american presidents owned slaves including jefferson, washington, and many others. most of the supreme court justices and so why defend slavery because it was part of the system? but suddenly, uncle tom's cabin comes along, and suddenly there's a surge of pro-slavery documents, and it increases ideology in the south that slavery is a divine, wonderful, good institution that brings ignorant barbarians from africa and exposes them to the blessings of western civilization, so uncle tom's cabin dramatically increased the tensions that led to the civil war. by the eve of the war, one southerner of the day declared uncle tom's cabin gave birth to a horror against slavery in the northern mind which all the politicians never could have created and has done more than all else to raise the north and south against each other. in my book, it traces the details of that and also how the novel continues to stir up controversy even through reconstruction an world beyond into the 20th century. it's influence was amplified by popular plays and a host of

but i really do think that lincoln was sort of thinking several chess moves ahead of jefferson davis' situation and may even with that masterstroke have ended up -- i won't say winning the war but keeping the confederacy from winning the war at the crucial moment. my lincoln is a lincoln he goes from the sort of uncertain and in some ways bumbling guy to a think by the end of my book a few months into his presidency, becoming well on his way to the great leader and a great president we think of today. >> and, was it an unfair question? was at union or slavery? >> for lincoln? i think for lincoln union and slavery were sort of inseparable causes. because, the reason that the south was seceding was because of slavery and it was because of this stand that northerners were taking where they were willing to yield no further to what they called the slave power. and this result had been decreed by the outcome of the national election, the election of lincoln in november of 1860, and so lincoln recognize that if he were to orchestrate some sort of a compromise and he played his hand very inte

that along with jefferson fathering the children with his slave girls. those two were the first two scandals in the beginning with the towning fathers. >> host: can you tell us more? >> in the case of hamilton, they discovered that hamilton had a unique financial agement with a man named james reynolds who hamilton was paying for the rights to sleep with his wife maria reynolds. and the democratic republican found out about this and proceeded to try to defame hamilton and derail his plan to create the national bank by exposing the sex scandal. but the thing -- opening up the sex discussion, boomeranged on jefferson. because the federalist dragged out the story and that jefferson was fathering his own slave children. what we see here is that the founding fathers themselves were not above using each other's sex scandals to score political points. in fact, it's part of the long tradition of american politics. >> go back to your -- your thought of if we weren't so focused on this, we would spend more time on the important issues. seems that we've had importa

and so john porter was able to get out of richmond on a train of left behind president jefferson tayler and davis' wife in the entire confederate cabinet. and he went all the way into north carolina and actually tried to go back into richmond but then turned around and went back into north carolina. he met up with members of the command in north carolina but they all told him to go on, the war is over for us and he fought for a moment with some of the fellows that he was with that maybe we could keep going the west and find a confederate army that is still in the field in louisiana or the trends mississippi. but what they did is they wander all the way into georgia and they wound up in that beautiful little town and the reason he went there and she had an ongoing living there. his name was john watson porter. a railroad man, a banker, and he showed up at john watson porter's house and this is in may of 1865, and john watson porter took him in and no sooner than john porter took up the quarters there three of his cousins show up all of them have been in morgan's command and all of whom h

but it doesn't have any effect on jefferson. and the power of the notion of the bill of rights which of course is part of the english tradition is picked up by others and it becomes one of the most potent arguments of the constitution. >> and of course near the end of your book, you have a very -- what i think is a very poignant instant you talk about giving us in the warsaw believe it was, and a woman says to you okay, you've been talking about the constitution. what about the bill of rights? >> this was an extraordinary experience in my life because it was 1976, and i was promoting the bicentennial of the revolution. this is before solidarity. communists are still in control. my room was barred and i have a handrail all over the place. it was an authoritarian state so i give this very conventional lecture on the young polish woman academic you left out the most important part of the revolution. i was stunned. the most important part? yes, you never mentioned the bill of rights, and i haven't. i had taken that for granted. but

a few scattered stories here and there and everyone kind of knew that george washington and thomas jefferson had slaves but most people probably didn't know that 8 out of the first 12 presidents had slaves. >> sunday night on c-span's q & a. >> some of the plans in washington in tackle the deficit and debt problems include changing the nation's tax code, eliminating or phasing out the mortgage interest tax deduction. the tax policy center and the reason foundation hosted a discussion about that idea. speakers at this 90-minute event includes a former congressional budget deputy director and a former irs research director. >> hi my name is donald marron i'm the director of the urban brooks tax policy center and it's my pleasure to welcome you here today. today's event about rethinking the mortgage interest deduction, we're cosponsoring it with our friends from the reason foundation as you all know washington today is focused on a very urgent pressing fiscal challenge which is the need to increase the debt ceiling. but here at the urban institute also for our friends at the reason foundation l

the roosevelts, in the time of jefferson, none of the roosevelts thought very much of jefferson. so fdr kind of overdid this. and, once again, i think there should be a monument to thomas jefferson in washington, but that nice neoclass call structure that you see along the tidallal basin, and i've always thought was fdr's taste, the memorial, i think, is very much a 1990s view of franklin roosevelt. and, um, i say this partly out of, from design conviction. and i don't think the structure is what he would have particularly liked. but, also, it's franklin roosevelt that we now think about historically, and that is the franklin roosevelt of the new deal. the fdr memorial in washington heavily concentrates on the depression, it concentrates on his domestic policies, on his conservation, his stewardship of, of national parks and so on, all of which is true. but to the total exclusion of certain other aspects of him. you would never know that the great conservationist was also one of the great dam builders of the 20th century which is somewhat anathema in our time, but fdr thought tha

now, the discussion of a document between thomas jefferson and benjamin franklin was over that last part of the phrase. possession of property didn't seem quite moral enough for the most radical experiment in human freedom in the history of the world. they changed it to the pursuit of happiness because they wanted to move from materialism -- from materialism to morality. from property to pursuit. and it's time for us to make that change once again today, to remember a very founding concept of this country. modern social science research shows that our founders were right. if you want to convince people to stand up for freedom, if you want free enterprise to be paramount in our understanding of the economy, you better talk about morals, fundamental new economic and social science research shows that people are more rash -- are less rational and more moral. that the parts of the brain that actually process morality will crowd out rational thinking and make moral pronouncements first. sometimes hours earlier. this is how we have to talk to people. and our experience shows this is how big ch

but i really do think that lincoln was sort of thinking several chess moves ahead of jefferson davis' situation and may even with that masterstroke have ended up -- i won't say winning the war but keeping the confederacy from winning the war at the crucial moment. my lincoln is a lincoln he goes from the sort of uncertain and in some ways bumbling guy to a think by the end of my book a few months into his presidency, becoming well on his way to the great leader and a great president we think of today. >> and, was it an unfair question? was at union or slavery? >> for lincoln? i think for lincoln union and slavery were sort of inseparable causes. because, the reason that the south was seceding was because of slavery and it was because of this stand that northerners were taking where they were willing to yield no further to what they called the slave power. and this result had been decreed by the outcome of the national election, the election of lincoln in november of 1860, and so lincoln recognize that if he were to orchestrate some sort of a compromise and he played his hand very inte

thomas jefferson once the church out of the government. these people want the government out of the church, but they come together in their views. presbyterians write no law should pass to connect the church and state in the future. a baptist and a very famous preachers is the unlawful cohabitation between church and state, which i so often been looked upon his holy wedlock must now suffer a separation and be forever put asunder. the notion we hear today from the right wing that secularism is invented in the 20th century, separation of church and state is something made out of. these are 18th century evangelicals say we will have separation of church and state if you want us to fight for the government. i'll conclude. i will just read a short comment from the very end of the book. during the american revolution, virginia's religious dissenters demanded religious freedom in return for their full support for mobilization. the resulting negotiations change virginia's quality such that after the war, efforts to reinvigorate the establishment f

they aren't demagogues although jefferson referred to them. they were very well-educated, the ones at the convention. most of them college graduates. 34 the 55 were lawyers. they were experienced political figures. they had served in the continental congress or in the state legislatures or had been governors, or diplomats. they were experienced people. they were -- it was a loaded convention. most of them or nationals, that is to say they wanted a strong government. is probably a good thing jefferson was abroad as minister of france because he was raise cain in the conviction -- convention because he would have not like the virginia plan that his friend and colleague madison proposed, which was really extraordinarily strong government. so, you have the kind of loaded convention. lansing and yates from new york, who were real antifederalists come to the convention and as soon as they see this virginia plan emerge and they begin to grasp the implications of if they that they walked out. we don't want this. this is and what we bargained for. so,

thomas jefferson once the church out of the government. these people want the government out of the church, but they come together in their views. presbyterians write no law should pass to connect the church and state in the future. a baptist and a very famous preachers is the unlawful cohabitation between church and state, which i so often been looked upon his holy wedlock must now suffer a separation and be forever put asunder. the notion we hear today from the right wing that secularism is invented in the 20th century, separation of church and state is something made out of. these are 18th century evangelicals say we will have separation of church and state if you want us to fight for the government. i'll conclude. i will just read a short comment from the very end of the book. during the american revolution, virginia's religious dissenters demanded religious freedom in return for their full support for mobilization. the resulting negotiations change virginia's quality such that after the war, efforts to reinvigorate the establishment f

so we go from jefferson to robert lucas to samuel vinton to steven douglas, and jefferson returns to the american map. well, here he is again. when you leave here today, you will know why stephen douglas was famous before he debated a one-term congressman who lost the election and two years later ran for president. um, the other piece of legislation that dealt with slavery that stephen a. douglas was a great participant in was the compromise of 1850. that was a package of five bills, and he was involved in two of them in particular, but the one i want to talk about is texas. texas went it entered the union, it had been a republic and was much larger than the texas we have today. it continued further north all the way to wyoming tapering it as it went. it relinquished all of its land north of 36 degrees, 30 minutes because the missouri compromise was still in effect, and they had slavery in texas, and they wanted to keep it, so they left the united states at that land. but it still included all the land east of the rio grande which is today the eastern half of new mexico that you see

you go in and you look at where jefferson sat and adams sat and you can almost hear the debate in there. the document that they drafted and voted on in that room, all are created equal and endowed with certain inalienable rights -- they understood all the importance of faith and this experiment that we call america. when scott o'grady reference to his family, he was getting at this basic concept that the family was this institution that in my judgment will ultimately determine the strength of our entire culture and the strength of our entire society. i think about the impact that my parents had on my life. one of the things you will learn -- we have four children and one of the things that we learned when the good lord began to bless us with kids, when you have kids, you suddenly appreciate your parents more. you do not realize when you are young the sacrifices and the things they are doing. i loved the line that mark twain -- mark twain had a lot of good lines to capture some pretty important truths. he was talking about his relationship with his dad, how it evolves over time. he said,

perspective of history and talked about a bill for an amendment and what happens in a depression when thomas jefferson insisted we pay our war debt or when president lincoln decided to pay a reward debt. debt.rd deb we have a fraction of the country that believes that they are just mad because everything caved in 2008. george bush was putting us through two wars off the books. in 2000, when bill clinton was moving his impeachment. and when they passed certain trade with china -- if those things would be reminded daily for the people of america -- i think we would have a better educated society, and we would not have people picking up things on this website or that website. guest: i think the media did the best job they could. it is a pretty complicated debate. people are feeling a lot of stress right now. there is a question about how closely people are paying attention to this. it is something we will have to see. there is no question that people are frustrated and angry about the lack of jobs. it is tough out there for a politician. host: when folks go home for congressional recess in august and the

he hated the economic vision of thomas jefferson that we would be living happily and undisturbed on our farms for evermore. that is the way his father lived. he was a subsistence farmer that never lifted up his vision to anything higher. lincoln haida think it is strong to say, hated him for it. he lives and him out to work and then take the money that lincoln earned. he said that high myself once was a slave and it is to that he was referring. he became a lawyer, and we tend to think of them as parasitic bottom feeders. but then, they were great champions of the new capitalist quarter that was emerging in this country. they helped set of the rules of the road, things like a bankruptcy and the land title litigation. who did lincoln represent? the railroads. he said eyehole the value of life, it is a very strong statement, to improve one's condition. advocates of the south were defending themselves and the nation that they were proslavery that by saying in the north, there was waged slavery. people have to work for wages and not for themselves. isn't that the same thing? advocater -- sou

he hated the economic vision of thomas jefferson that we'd all be oweman farmers living happily and undisturbed on our farm forevermore. that's the way lincoln's father lived. he was a subsistence farmer who never lifted up his vision to anything higher. lincoln, i don't think it's too strong to say, hated him for it. he was estranged from him. he would send lincoln out as a young man to go out and take the money lincoln earned and said, i myself was a slave and it was to that he was referring. what did lincoln make of himself? lincoln became a lawyer. in today's confection, we -- confection, we think of lawyers at pair sitic bottom feeders but then, lawyers were great champions of the new capitalistic order emerging in this country. they helped set out the new rules of the road in the capitalist economy, things like bankruptcy law and land title litigation. oftentimes, who did lincoln represent? he represented the railroads, the foremost engines of economic progress at the time. lincoln said, i hold the value of life, the value of life, it's a very strong statement, to improve one's condition.

a few scattered stories here and there and everyone kind of knew that george washington and thomas jefferson had slaves. but most people probably didn't know that eight out of the first 12 presidents had slaves. >> sunday night, on c-span's q&a. in a moment, we'll join an atlantic council discussion on the future of libya. first, an update from earlier today on the situation in that country from a reporter who has been trapped in a tripoli hotel. >> karen fahim is with "the new york times" and on the ground there. thank you so much for reporting in to us. tell us what you know about the current situation in tripoli and in libya. >> thanks for having me. parts of tripoli that were -- fighting yesterday have calmed down. we just returned where there was intense fighting for several days. and the streets there were fairly quiet. and they're cleaning up after the battle. there is still fighting around the airport road. and fighting is continuing in -- near gaddafi's hometown in sirte. gaddafi's home town. we have seen reports that nato has started bombing gaddafi positions in and around sirte. t

king is built on four acres next to the jefferson memorial's title base. it is the first monument on the national mall honoring an african-american. the only one that does not memorialize a president for a war. >> we saw there in the invidious some of the 450-foot granite wall that has more than a dozen of dr. king's quotations. we will have live coverage of the dedication ceremony of the memorial on sunday. some of the guests and people speaking -- president obama. also interior secretary can salazar. the president of the children's defense fund, and also rev. al sharpton. our live coverage getting under way on sunday at 11:00 a.m. eastern time here on c-span and also on c-span radio. right now, we are waiting for this event to get under way. a dinner honoring leaders and peace. >> our program is about to begin. please take your place at this time. thank you. >> we are hearing that this is expected to get under way momentarily. wanted to again mention another event we are covering tomorrow honoring pioneers and civil rights. some of the participants inclu

everyone kind of knew that thomas jefferson had slaves, but most people probably did not know that eight out of the first 10 presidents have slaves. >> that is on sunday night. ♪ atch more video of the candidates and track contributions with our website. it is easy to use and helps you to navigate the political landscape with candidate biographies and the latest polling data. we also have links to c-span media partners in the early primary and caucus states. host: lucy barber is the author of "marching on washington." talk to us about the history of whathes on washington and h kind of effect they have had on american politics. guest: it is interesting. today we think of them as a traditional or normal part of politics. in the beginning, they were seen as outside of anything considered acceptable in terms of national politics. people had protests but cannot take them to the federal government until the 1890's. you see how american people acting in their own organizations start to have a role in pushing their agenda is in to the federal conversation. it does not always mean they get exac

all honor to thomas jefferson, to the man who in the concrete pressure of a struggle for national independence by a single people had the coolness, forecast, and capacity to introduce into a merely a revolutionary document an abstract truth applicable to all men and all times and so to embalm it there that today and all coming days it shall be a rebuke and stumbling block to the very har bingers of reappearing tyranny and oppression. in other words, they put that statement in there not for themselves so much but for us and for all subsequent generations so we will constantly be called back to their truths. that's exactly the way that lincoln used it. that's point one. second point, lincoln thought that the promise of the declaration had as concrete expression not just opposition to slavery, but in economic advancement. that as he said, all should have an equal chance. if there is something that lincoln hated besides slavery, it was economic stay suss. he -- stay suss. he hated the economic vision, we would all be farmers living happily and undisturbed on our farms forevermore. that's the way l

madison and monroe when jefferson and hamilton and reading what they said. we are so far from what they thought we should be doing. it is amazing. i do not know how to answer your question other than to say you are correct. but we have to have some way to guarantee we do not read a line of districts in terms of investment. -- red line districts in terms of investment. we can prevent discrimination without being stupid. the last question and then i'm going to go eat dinner with my family. >> good evening. my name is christian and i am here on the -- on behalf of the alzheimer's association. thank you for your support in the past. i would hope you would agree that alzheimer's disease has become not only a public health crisis but an economic crisis as well to the tune of $183 billion annually. more as a baby boomers entered the medicare system. i wanted to say, thank you for supporting funding for the national institute of health but for holding the institute accountable for returning important data to us. i implore you to support the alzheimer's breakthrough

everybody kind of knew that george washington and thomas jefferson had slaves. but most people probably do not know that eight out of the first 12 presidents had slaves. >> now supreme court justice elena kagan talks about life on the supreme court justice and interpreting the law. from the aspen institute, this is just over an hour. [applause] >> good evening, ladies and gentleman. [applause] thank you all for braving rain and welcome to listeners on aspen public radio. and most of all, they welcome to you, just as kagan -- just as kagan -- justice kagan. >> thank you. it is my first, but it will not be my last. [applause] >> it may be pouring down, but when i left, washington, d.c., it was at record heat. [laughter] it is great to be here and it is great to be here in this terrific community can i have been taking advantage of all of the music and all of the beauty. it is a wonderful place pierre -- a wonderful place. >> comparing notes on hikes. many of you will see her on the shelves over the next few days. we will take your offer seriously to come back as o

jefferson was against great public expenditures bought louisiana. wh we need to do, the biggest need is water. fresh water. i thought this year as trillions and trillions of gallons of water flooded out the whole upper midwest while texas dried out and roasted. if we had a massive public works programs that would employ those men and women that we have in the military overseas doing nothing but running down america's reputation, put them to work building a national water system. there's the electriccal power grid. our country is falling apart. you can drive outside the beltway and see it or inside the beltway more or less and we see it every day. things are crumbling. this nation needs to reinvent itself, needs to rebuild itself. but yet all we talk about is petty politics and making war against people who have done nothing to us. that's what i would do. host: we've got this tweet host: florida on our line for democrats. you're on the "washington journal." caller: if i were president, i would host: go ahead. caller: i would stop the attitude of amer

" in keeping with the american dream, that we could come back and see his likeness standing between jefferson and lincoln. it says something about the man, but it also says something about the movement that he led. the movement that he died for. those of us in organized labor and the civil rights movement and american politics, we have to do our part. we have an obligation, a mandate, and a mission to speak up, to speak out, move our feet . we cannot be quiet. people are hurting. people are suffering. mr. president, we need to end the wars. we need to stop the violence abroad and here at home, dr. king would say. we have to do it. if we fail to act, the civil- rights movement and organized labor failed to act, dr. king would say, history will not be kind to us. we have to act. i plead with you, get out there and push, lead, the way, and i will be there with you all the way. thank you very much. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> the president will be speaking about jobs in minneapolis today, about his

even a cranky libertarian like me would say maybe thomas jefferson would not force me to wear a seatbelt, but you can recognize there are big benefits at a small cost. this could save lives if we had a 5 mile per hour speed limit regulation. but what we want that? there's a tradeoff. they do not look at trade-offs. it is the common sense our rage of the american people that sometimes stops them from going overboard in terms of this red tape and nonsense they come up with. host: we have an e-mail. guest: this ties into one of the previous callers. when a business is looking to hire someone, they look at the potential cost that the government imposes on that. they will not hire somebody unless there is demand. if you make can debars that makes -- the fate company makes candy bars that tastes like that. -, nobody will buy you will want economic growth. host: we had a caller during our previous segment and we were asking about how to expand. he said that most of his workers are unskilled or on educated in the sense that they don't have a college degree -- they are an educated -- unedu cated.