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joining us now, karen cavanaugh and bill lee is here head of north america economic at citigroup. bill, we'll talk to you about the economy in just a moment. but this could take stock of where we are. the dow is down 2% for the year. not too dissimilar to what happened last year and mid-august to the end of the year, we saw a 7.5% rally. is there reason to think that we'll see that again? >> if that was the case, it would be people making a lot of money, right? the markets are by definition unpredictable. the u.s. has become a safe pavin and people look at us as a place to park their assets. now the question is, how long will -- >> maybe our dollar and our bond, but not so much stocks lately. >> where is the growth? u.s. and people if they want to buy growth, they come to the u.s. >> have you been telling your clients to buy throughout this period of volatility? >> yeah, absolutely. i think there is different from last year in that the earnings aren't really ahead. last year we had a time of earnings growth. this year earnings are at an all-time high. we're not really seeing that