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meeting are due to be released on wednesday. joining us now, karen cavanaugh and bill lee is here head of north america economic at citigroup. bill, we'll talk to you about the economy in just a moment. but this could take stock of where we are. the dow is down 2% for the year. not too dissimilar to what happened last year and mid-august to the end of the year, we saw a 7.5% rally. is there reason to think that we'll see that again? >> if that was the case, it would be people making a lot of money, right? the markets are by definition unpredictable. the u.s. has become a safe pavin and people look at us as a place to park their assets. now the question is, how long will -- >> maybe our dollar and our bond, but not so much stocks lately. >> where is the growth? u.s. and people if they want to buy growth, they come to the u.s. >> have you been telling your clients to buy throughout this period of volatility? >> yeah, absolutely. i think there is different from last year in that the earnings aren't really ahead. last year we had a time of earnings growth. this year earnings are at an