schultz was talking about mitch daniels, president of the university, brought down the cost of college. nobody clapped. he literally looked at audience, you were supposed to clap. not that the guy is blowing the doors off as a speaker. how do they get excited about his candidacy? >> if he can come up with some ideas, some proposals, and that critique of america to answer the, the questions he himself raised, connell in a way that galvanizes people. but so far i haven't seen it. i don't think too many people -- connell: trying for the center, economically, liberal, socially centrist, that is mike bloomberg or maybe joe biden lane. is there no enthusiasm in today's left of center voter, or we'll see the democratic primaries is there no enthusiasm for that anymore? >> i wouldn't quite put it that way. i would say you can't get elected as a liberal-leaning independent and ignore independent voters and republicans, which he appears to be doing, to a large extent. connell: right. >> i think there is room in the democratic party for a moderate, whether it be mayor bloomberg, joe biden, or one