think any discussion is taking place in nato on protecting pipelines outside of nato territory that being said there is a broad discussion about energy security in nato. and of course nato doesn't do diversity of supply that's not our business but one could envision a possible role in protecting nuclear power plants or critical choke points like the straits of hormuz in an extremist situation or under terrorist attack. no other . stumbling block i would say in relations between moscow and nato. and there's one even in that kind of stand is the is the drugs traffic from gas the moscow is pretty concerned about the drug traffic from got to stand and moscow has said. the russian press i would say has quoted more than once sources inside nato saying that if we stop drug production in afghanistan this will put people out of out of work and leave people without money and this will and this will drive more people into rebel movement so so for one there there has been unsatisfaction from the russian side by the disability of nato to stop providing those chemicals to get instead that are nee

hostile to nato or to what to other member could nato somehow influence this situation formally know or is just business i mean whatever it's a national decision it's business that being said. these are allies and they care about each other and they care about each other security so they consult extensively they try to make sure that the security of another ally is never undermined by the actions of one. it would have been a strange situation if some if some business well learned by muslims in turkey would have been selling arms to have gone. well i mean actually we're all trying to provide want to afghan rebels nobody should be providing weapons to afghan rebels as far as we're concerned and actually we're working quite hard with the russian federation to provide equipment particularly helicopters now to the afghan army so this is another area where in fact we're doing much more together than we did a week does nato one to see more russian involvement in afghanistan maybe even selling something personal that well what we would like to see is and we are seeing is more russian coopera

well one of the fields of corporations between between nato and russia between nato military and russian military is ghana stan this is this is a big pain for russia and a big problem for nato to nato especially the americans have been accused of even promoting drug dealer ship in afghanistan and he of course saw that in russian papers well you said in one of your interviews i quote nature's role in afghanistan is to support the security of afghan institutions it's a very difficult task you say for example if we destroy poppy fields the ranks of taliban it will grow because the people will lose their earnings and quote you really said that well i said it of course in a convent if this can be the consequences of you know destroying the crops which are out there on elaborate we're trying to help them. intelligence we're providing security we train by the way we're training counter-narcotics experts from afghanistan and actually countries in the region to get a russia including demolition of a body but these are serious decisions and the best placed decisions of people to make them are the

commander of nato? >> yeah. it will be a nato command. but i also have to say that we will include contributing partners from the region in this operation. it's of utmost importance to stress that this is not primarily a nato operation. it is a broad international effort in which we will include partners for the region that have pledged to contribute to this protection of civilians in libya. >> so the operation will be consistent with what's been going on for the past week, almost a week. in accordance with the united nations security council resolution 1973. it will not only create a no-fly zone, but will use all necessary means to protect civilians in libya. is that correct? >> what we have decided is that nato will enforce the no-fly zone. we are considering whether nato should take on that broader responsibility. but that decision has not been made yet. >> well it sounds like there is a dispute among the nato allies whether this other responsibility to protect civilians in libya, whether that should be the responsibility of nato or so

that is the background of the research we still have nato and what should we do with nato? people just did not think it through. we wanted to make sure these newly free countries of central europe and making a wonderful point* to say you cannot leave these countries in the middle of one side and the west on the other and nato went from a very tight the knit group of 13 at now 28 countries. during that time by the way the bureaucracy expanded of 14,000 people 300 committees equal number of subcommittees so this has become a huge structure. that is whittled down by the way because one of the rules of nato is made by unanimity and to making decisions with 300 committees i don't know if anyone is the chairman can handle that kind of a crowd. to see where nato has expanded to going through 1999 where they make the decision in washington to go anywhere in the world to fight a and we go along and i want to short circuit this but i want to bring you to 9/11 in which has the first description of the first and account but here we are 9/11 hood treaty that set up had a number of artic

. >> inside nato. >> inside nato. the military operates on political guidance and that's what is required and it has to be forthcoming if we're going to see other assets used. >> nick, that's kind of where you come in here on the diplomacy of nato. is it true that the u.s. is nato and it is just not workable when we try to take a back seat? and as we know, not that many nato members are rrts pay tar p in this to begin with. >> there's no question the united states is the heart and soul, the backbone of nato since 1949, since its founding. i am sensitive to what the president is trying to do here. france, italy, spain and greece and britain have much more direct interest in libya than we. he challenged them to step forward and provide leadership and we just haven't seen it. i think britain and france have tried but most of the other european countries are sitting this out. there isn't sufficient fire power on the ground to put pressure on gadhafi. you don't see i think the political leadership among the europeans that

libya to nato. all 28 allies have also now authorized military authorities to develop an operations plan for nato to take on the broader civilian protection mission under resolution 1973. nato is well-suited to coordinate this international effort and ensuring that all participating nations are working effectively together toward our shared goals. this coalition includes countries beyond nato including arab partners, and we expect all of them to be providing important political guidance going forward. we have always said that arab leer leadership and participation is crucial. the arab league show that had leadership with its pivotal statement on libya. they joined the discussions in paris last weekend on implementation. if and we are deeply appreciative of their continuing contributions including aircrafts and pilots from qatar. this evening the united arab emirates announced they are joining the coalition and sending planes to help protect libyan civilians and enforce the no-fly zone. we welcome th

the united nato front would not bring an end to the conflict where you know nato defense ministers recently confirmed or are there confirmed an extension of the work and some of you know for another ninety days to be under the september the war is actually you know it's one hundred a day right now amounts to march the nineteenth germany for whatever reason some wisely and certainly from its own point of view joining the birth of the nation will serve us or china india and brazil in the security council on march seventeenth and abstaining on you under a solution ones in seventy three however. nato being what it is germany and so you are in some measure certainly an additional a raft aircraft where its aircraft there fairness around there for your military resources from those nato partners states that were referred to there were these when you talk about native partnership i forgive me for interrupting here if i can germany have a responsibility to support his military and i thought why what's the point of being in nato in a place. i mean that's a good question what it suggests is a nato obl

the nato operation unified protector worse your unmandated operation of nato and there was a clear intention to protect people against military attacks of god duffy and gadhafi troops to prevent people from this to prevent and to avoid civilian casualties and they're saying nato was very successful doing this i was saying there was a clear mandate and we operated in the framework of this mandate so this was a very good operation and connects to a very good success that libya is free no and that is a good message for the people there now they have the opportunity to build up new structures and i hope democratic structures rule of law democracy freedom of speech of religions of everything i think that is sport we into. indeed to do and therefore i fully agree to that what nato made you said you're a politician and you are not american which makes it easier for me to talk to you because americans there are sure that there is only one type of democracy american democracy europeans know there may be variations in democracy itself a question about libya. the cool lynching of gadhafi the mass grave

well nato always goes into places as i know very well from from previous experience with nato interventions for his own reasons there's no concern there for any opposition however marginal or have a morally justified they may or may not be nato is. aggressive alliance which operates on the basis of that it wants to place its military in key areas of the world command and control resources and territory that's what it's there for it's not some kind of moral creature it's a beast really and when the nato powers can't make money and propaganda works for them and undermine governments abroad then they move on to the military machine and the propaganda the false stories the indictment by tame courts which should know better and all of these things have been done in many other countries and they've been done to libya now and at the expense of all the libyan people as well i think we would have had a short conflict here perhaps there was a case for pressuring colonel gadhafi to listen to the demands for change within his own society but there is no case to launch a major war and an open ended one

russia and nato seek a ways out of a stalemate over plans for a missile defense system in your hopes that common ground on the contentious issue can be reached within india. nato is bombing campaign over libya hits fresh problems as the alliance runs out of missiles with germany you turning on abstaining from the conflict so it can deliver a bailed out towards war and. general blot it you suggested from the war crimes called forcing the judge to enter a not guilty plea on his behalf but it sure faces charges including genocide carried out in the balkans war accused some subs rather accuse the hague of a one sided justice. and in business this hour former heads of bank of moscow are facing criminal charges after its huge bailout regulators discovered a third of the bank's assets were in bad long term you for a four story and about twenty minutes and this is part. of a very warm welcome to you this is r.t. live from moscow where it's now like to start a fight here. nato is ahead anders fogh rasmussen hopes that russia and the alliance kind of agree about missile defense plans in europe

separate press conference secretary general of nato rasmussen has said that nato never promised that those stocks will simply happen overnight lover ops explains that the reason why a sectoral anti-missile defense shield with the participation of russia is impossible is because nato cannot delegate the security of nato countries to a third party russian foreign minister sergei lavrov said that if a sectoral and say missile defense shield is not a possible option and perhaps there are other ones. used we would like to reach an agreement which would allow us to work together without any additional risks and agreements that will strengthen strategic stability rather than undermine it we would like to have a guarantee that missile defense systems are not aimed against russia we're not asking for unilateral guarantees we would like all the members of the russian nato council to agree that missile defense will not pose any threats to the security of any of the participants. secretary general rasmussen has set out he sees no need of such a proof and once again to try to ensure that i am dea

political entity that is used to pressure countries to bow down to nato is agenda nato is agenda being primarily a us again it's an agenda from countries see as a threat and critics of that agenda right now us think it's a global expansion must be start i don't believe it was and then we'll just oppose nato has contributed systems. in terms of security and it's an assault to the peace that nato wants pledged was formed to keep lauren mr r. t. new york so we want to broaden this discussion about the relevance of nato today ryan becker is the national coordinator for the answer coalition and ryan let's talk about this we've got the soviet union no longer in existence the warsaw pact has been on for twenty years now and nato is still alive and kicking growing in fact well nato immediately expanded its territory and absorb some of the warsaw pact countries the socialist bloc nations following the dissolution of the soviet union and the socialist plot and we see today for instance in afghanistan there are one hundred fifty thousand so-called nato troops that are occupying afghanistan nato i

by nato. we'll take you to the state department as soon as secretary clinton comes out. >> they have considered quell a week-long uprising that left dozens dead. reena ninan as a look at whether it will satisfy the demonstrators. >> the government offering package of incentives but it may be too late. >> antigovernment protesters take shelter in a mosque. shortly before progovernment forces attack. the video was shot by the protesters from the group shan, arabic for the greater syria. where the protests started and spread to four neighboring villages, 25 people were killed in clashes with the pro-government security forces. their bodies riddled with gunshot wounds. according to hospital sources. >> what the syrian government is confronting is in fact the same challenge that faces so many governments across the region. that is the unmet political and economic grievances of their people. >> the pro-government security forces arrive in buses wearing plain clothes. they rounded up people in street

russia and the nato seek ways out of a stalemate for a missile defense system. common ground on the contentious issue can be reached within one year. libya hits pressure couple of the alliance runs out of missiles with germany you turning on abstaining from the conflict so it can deliver a bailout to its war. general just adjusted from the war crimes court forcing the judge to enter a not guilty plea on his behalf faces charges including genocide carried out in the balkans. accused accuse the hague of a one sided justice. and in business the former heads of bank of moscow are facing criminal charges after its huge bailout has discovered a third of the bank's assets were in bad long term for a full story and about twenty minutes and this is what. a very warm welcome to you this is r.t. live from moscow where it's now or just after five pm well ahead fogh rasmussen hopes that russia be alliance kind of missile defense plans in europe by next may however moscow used the latest russia summit to warn the dialogue is moving too slowly in the meantime that's because it

wants because nato wants that the usual suspects within nato i should say the ones who attack everywhere and always use the same excuses want to do the same thing they did elsewhere here they want to occupy libya they want to get their compliant puppet government in which will give them cheap deals good contracts they want they've got it all planned out and the libyan people will be the victims if they allow this war to continue and that will include the rebel side if i get a year it sounds interesting to me is it me iraq they didn't plan for after the invasion it seems like in this case with libya they have everything planned except for winning the war what do you think of that. well yes if there's one thing is that the americans and some of its allies have got to learn from the experiences that they saw in somalia not to major in afghanistan and iraq it's failed miserably in those areas and if it continues in the fashion it is with libya we're likely to go down that same route i think the concern all around is how do you ensure that you maintain that what the mandates the u.n. mandate

well of course nato is a is a u.s. led operation there's absolutely no question about this you have to ask why the north atlantic treaty organization intervenes in south asia or north africa and various other places which have nothing to do with the north atlantic this was set up after the second world war in opposition to the warsaw pact countries the warsaw pact was dissolved some years ago but nato is becoming more militaristic is carrying more and more money from particularly countries like the u.s. and britain in order to carry out its operations i think is very worrying they're all saying this is a great success this rehabilitates the whole notion of humanitarian intervention it does nothing of the so many thousands of people have been killed in libya including many prior nato bombing and also we should remember we heard exactly this before in two thousand and one and two thousand and three when again afghanistan and iraq were said to be success stories very few people now claim either of those was a success you

you mentioned nato earlier on in the program and nato isn't just gloating right now. they actually did something thinks it's actually going something successful after the quagmire of afghanistan. does this worry you that or give it gives it gives itself a feather in the hand saying look we actually can do things or efficiently we can work together when of course the americans were very critical of their dragging their feet most of the members of nato didn't really want to participate in this well of course nato is a u.s. led operation there's absolutely no question about this you have to ask why the north atlantic treaty organization intervenes in south asia and north africa various other places which have nothing to do with the north atlantic this was set up after the second world war in opposition to the warsaw pact countries the warsaw pact was dissolved some years ago but nato is becoming more militaristic it's getting more and more money from particularly countries like the u.s. and britain in order to carry out its operations i think it's very worrying they're a

has any targeting changed by nato? what are you hearing about nato? >> i can't speak specifically about the targeting, anderson. there really is the perception, and it seems to be correct, that the united states really is the leader in nato, and that the other countries, the uk and france now taking over a lot of the operations are really struggling to do what the united states is doing. and so that's a real dilemma for president obama. i mean, he doesn't want to lead. he doesn't want the united states to be out there and running every mission. but on the other hand, he doesn't want it to fail. so he's caught between two things right now. the inability of nato, without the united states, to do what they're supposed to be doing. it's not that it's without the united states, of course, because as we've been saying, those a-10s and ac-130s can be brought in. but the whole idea was to shift responsibility to nato. >> thank you for being with us. please stay safe. jill, as well. and general mark kimmitt, thank you. >>> breaking news tonight. "new york time

program of nato which is the mission in libya russia's foreign minister lavrov was criticizing nato separation in libya in its current form he said he said that it was not courteous ponding to the initial nato resolution well what does bill gary think about your participation in the libya and the libya operation and what's the final go out thinking that you want to do you actually see the final go break yes i do and i think first of all it to start by saying. i think it's very unfortunate the way that colonel gadhafi responded to the legitimate concerns of the legitimate demands that his his people that for more democracy informal participation government for more openness the right way to respond to such demands structure to address the real concerns that people have not to take the tanks into the streets not to call your citizens rats and not to attack them and this is what happened particularly in benghazi and if it hadn't been for the very quick and very rapid reaction of some countries members of nato the united nations with the u.n. security council resolution and with a nato operation w

as being the interest of the libyan people nato and the nato powers have converted to the libyan civil war into something else and that will roll on and i know the fact for example that today the african union summit convenes in. equitorial guinea and we know that gadhafi won't be there but the question one question might be will shear of sudan be because remember that there was a into nobody has ever been indicted by the international criminal court except somebody from africa and the most the highest ranking one is the president of sudan and the african countries are calling a snoot this international criminal court because it is seen to be simply a tool of the western powers and that will roll on so the credibility of it for example will be shot and the fact that william hague gets up when the international criminal court issued this indictment two days ago and says this only proves our point remember that the statute of the international criminal court is entirely skewed the supreme international crime as it's defined is the crime of aggression and it was the foreign office legal a

the united nato front will not bring an end of a conflict as we know nato defense ministers recently confirmed or are there to confirm an extension of the word against libya for another ninety days to the under of september the war is actually you know it's one hundred a day very. large the mind. of germany for whatever reason why it's only certainly from its own. joining the the nation sort of us or china india and brazil in the security council on march seventeenth and abstaining and you wonder as aleutian nineteen seventy three however. nato being what it is germany compensated in some measure by the sending of additional they where aircraft they where it's aircraft afghanistan are and their military resources from those nato partners states that work for disability but we already when you talk about may not have partnership a forgive me for interrupting half a dozen germany have a responsibility to support his military allies otherwise what's the point of being in nato in the first place. i mean that's a good question what it suggests is nato obligations override national securit

at by the libyan people because nato will have presented itself to nato nato encompasses something like between seventy five and eighty eighty percent of world military spending the three nato powers in charge of this invention are the three biggest military spenders all three of the four we know you know this result and there's a really big there in disarray as it is and they're in surrender in recife of their employees like their military force shall be the decisive factor that is their overriding interest so that they can intervene in the arab spring for example so that the libyan people will not do what the gyptian an alternation a civilian did which is the sort that wasn't and by then it's all you have to know your ambition of being the west and to america you're not really looking at what you have on yourself the whole your moral values and support people that want freedom you know would you have allowed them to go to being massacred just because you know didn't you know you mentioned to people and i'd like i'd like to ask lamar a question i mean if intervention the international

went to nato and nato in this particular case was trans in the u.k. so very likely then france and the are going to benefit from. your professor of political science clearly your experience and your knowledge of past developments like this do you think that this transitional government really is going to turn into a strong legitimate power or could there be a political vacuum where our it's very difficult to predict the future. looks as if all the conflicts. are going to a long time do result they are tribal conflicts all conflicts and there is political. rebels big chill there and. not so long ago. a group of very different people there were also people all attacked african. and so on so. you know tell what's going to happen what it could be here are. all the internationals was very different but we did have a period of intense was in libya there is factions fighting for terrorism and so on their own state was. the way you describe the potential future where we could see this disparate rebel organization turning against themselves everybody fighting

nato low and behold it is busier than ever. to counter perceived threats from the soviet union the north atlantic treaty organization has plowed ahead without an enemy after the end of the cold war. so the fact that the alliance lost its reason to exist instead what happened in fact and in violation of even the accords and the agreements at that time was nato aggressively expanded. and a larger alliance it once promised and instead pledged bombed in troops to afghanistan going on a decade. and in its latest endeavor thought airstrikes into libya but uniting a new church egypt goes back in november libya has launched allies to dischord some countries don't want to actually you know shoot ground targets. just to hit air targets which are night. amid the infighting it's unclear what motives are really behind the plane flying in the name of nato over the african country is it the personal aspiration of a leader a friend for you to do is it a friend for you or is it a sarkozy. do it i've tried to do to convince the world that he's t

nato does not have the force. nato does not have a military. it is not even have money to run a war like libya. he volunteered to fight you pay your own way. poland is helping us in afghanistan. there were 20500 troops. they pay a billion dollars a year to keep the force. that is attentive there defense budget. so the organization that is coming up does not have a military. nato does that have a military. what to the use? for the same tanks, planes. pull one off, put another on. off you go. now, it is true that what nato has in spades is this defense, if you will, organization. everyone is plug again. when there is a war everyone can react. how many are reacting? out of 28 members, six are participating, of which four or 31 nothing to do with attacking the ground. the rebels are complaining that it takes a long time for native to come up. you know why? because when they call in the strike it goes to naples where the canadian general runs the joint force headquarters. from naples it goes to the strategic nato command outside brussels. from there

nato says it's not going to build a joint system with russia and doesn't find it necessary to provide moscow with legal guarantees that shield. the country. bombing campaign of libya problems as the alliance or runs out of missiles with germany you turning on abstaining from the conflict so it can deliver a bail out to its war allies. did from the war crimes court to enter a not guilty plea on his behalf. charges including genocide carried out in the balkans war. one sided justice. worldwide news live from moscow city center this is r.t. . russia and nato have failed to reach a consensus on a missile defense plans in europe with the alliance standing. and it stands says it's against a joint missile shield and doesn't find it necessary to provide russia with legal guarantees that the shield won't be directed against it. joins us live from russian city of sochi where the talks have now a drawn to a close hello to you natasha it seems that russia and nato have a long way to go to overcome divisions over plans in europe. well indeed it still seems like there is still a long way to go the

libya to nato. all 28 allies have also now authorized military authorities to develop an operation's plan for nato to take on the broader civilian protection mission under resolution 1973. nato is well-suited to coordinating this international effort and ensuring that all participating nations are working effectively together toward our shared goals. this coalition includes countries beyond nato, including arab partners. and we expect all of them to be providing important political guidance going forward. we have always said that arab leadership and participation is crucial. the arab league showed that leadership with its pivotal statement on libya. they joined the discussions in paris last weekend on implementation. we are deeply appreciative of their continuing contributions, including aircraft and pilots from qatar. this evening united arab emirates announced they are joining the coalition and sending planes to help protect libyan civilians and enforce the no-fly zone. we welcome this important s

nato says it's not going to build a joint anti missile system with russia and doesn't find it necessary to provide moscow with legal guarantees the shield won't be targeting the country this plunges the dialogue deeper into a stalemate. as the alliance runs out of missiles for its air strike campaign over libya germany u. turns on its policy of abstaining from the conflict so it can deliver a bomb bailout to its war on ice. general recommend outages directed from the war crimes court forcing the judge to enter a not guilty plea on his behalf not a trace of charges including genocide carried out in the balkans war some serbs accuse the hague of one sided justice. internationalising comment live from moscow this is r.t. russia and nato are failed to reach a consensus on missile defense plans in europe with the alliance standing firm on its position nato says it's against a joint anti missile shield and doesn't find it necessary to provide russia with a legal guarantees that the shield won't be directed against it. in africa has more now from russia city of sochi where the talks have now d

but not in nato you had two countries that are in nato not in the e.u. you had three baltic states which are in both and then denmark which is in nato but doesn't participate in european defense so no i. i don't think that was the idea at all and as a matter of fact i think you know for us finland and many other countries in the region the basic a is to integrate and bring russia as close as possible in to the european structures i don't think that there should be a juxtaposition anymore between the west and russia quite the contrary it is in our economic interest and other interest to bring back so that type of perhaps suspicion zero sum thinking in my mind is a little bit old fashioned why don't we have russia in a similar type of informal meeting when it's organized the next time around i think that would be a good idea well there was a meeting preceding this this. nordic summit it actually took place in norway it was a meeting of defense ministers of nordic countries and the british defense minister who was present there mr fox stated that the purpos

the president of the nato a sound card. one of the key points of the current major strategies to save guard democracy in the world when libya's gadhafi started to shell the rising opposition the alliance decided to intervene in just a few months because the new regime in the country taking almost no casualties the libyan mission is now considered a model of a successful peacekeeping nato operation but many fear the alliance may assume the role. all of the world's policeman start spreading democracy wherever it leads is designed. to lower slammers it's a privilege to have you in the studio thank you for coming thank you for the invitation ok well first of all let's discuss the nato russian matters since you here since you're in moscow well one of the problems in the relations between nato and russia is that is that list and she'll think yes well they learned it steps to deploy in this town defense in europe and russia feels that you know discussing it with moscow well russia has labeled it i quote a policy of established fac

is guilty of genocide but clearly nato is responsible for some massacres. it's very unlikely. the leaders of nato could and of being prosecuted in the hague and he specially americans who cannot be prosecuted in the hague. even though there are people who are dying because of nato military actions massacres it's very unlikely that the people responsible for these massacres could be held accountable by and the international court of justice precisely because of the way the international court of justice is set up to punish only some groups of murderers or. vicious attackers and so on but not others political foes professor parrikar in a live with us on the line from paris thank you for and. well nato is also being warned against taking signs and now there are three generals are reports kosovo in just a few minutes the kremlin crn after nato reportedly uses live rounds and border skirmishes between kosovo and ethnic serbs artsy has a report for you from belgrade. but first the wheels are turning up the un security council as the palestinian statehood bid face