. and this goes all the way back to the, you know, to the april of 2016 when george papadopoulos is approached and goes into the trump tower meeting and the nra. and they are just repeated attempts to try to get, to try to knock on the door. and the reason they're doing that is because the door was opening. they were being let in. so, you know, they are going to try and whatever way possible, and this is the more conventional way of just giving to an inauguration or to a lobbying firm, to do that. >> all right, seth and robert maguire, thank you. >>> i'm joined by nancy gertner, retired judge and former criminal defense attorney. and former u.s. attorney who served as deputy attorney general, very nice to have you here in new york. >> great to be here. >> i want to talk about two pieces of information we know and the possible connection. "the wall street journal" that just crossed that said, mueller also asked ford about an approach from michael cohen, or michael cohen came and said, hey, ford, want to hire my essential consultants? and they said, yeah, you know what? no thanks. mue

know papadopoulos was trying to make contact while the russians were attacking. this shows to me that trump and his lieutenants were willing to help. that in itself is a profound act of betrayal. >> thank you for joining me. i am joined by harry lippmann. and jill wine banks. with we got the documents in the russian involved in sort of propaganda efforts, this question well, the hacks are not in here. what are your impressions as someone as a watergate prosecutor and a prosecutor more broadly, about which direction this document points? >> i would say first of all, you gave a great opening statement for the prosecution of donald trump for collusion. and i said over a year ago, that there was enough circumstantial evidence to conclude with the russians and now it is laid out in this scintillating document. everyone should read it. it is a great read and lays out all of the acts specific by the russian government military intelligence unit. and i would say that we are leading up to next indictments of the americans involved in possibly both the social media aspects which was the fi

know if it's the russians. we know that george papadopoulos was trying to make contact with putin's own office while the russians were attacking. to me this shows that trump and his acolytes, his lieutenants, were eager and willing to get into bed and to help the russians while this attack was under way. so even putting aside the question of collusion, that in itself is a profound act of betrail. >> david and natasha, thank you for joining me. >>> i'm joined by harry litman and msnbc legal analyst, jill wine-banks, a former watergate prosecutor. jill, this document is a prosecutor's document. when we got the big document of the russians involved in this sort of more propaganda effort, the internet research agency, there was this question of, well, the hack is not in here and that's the one crime we know is committed. today we got that. what are your impressions as someone who's a watergate prosecutor and a prosecutor more broadly about what direction this document points? >> well, i would say, first of all, that you gave a great opening statement for the prosecution of donald trump

investigation, papadopoulos, manafort, you know we've had a huge amount of news about what they've been up to since their pleas. and, you know, partly because mueller himself has complained about their activities. in the case of flynn he pled and vanished off the face of the earth, right? and it's been almost a year since his plea and we have really very little idea, more than a year, i think, and we have very little idea what he's told mueller or what the nature of his cooperation has been. and so i think it's just one of the real wild cards and one of the reasons that people are so eagerly anticipating this memo is it's the first real window that we have onto the answer to your question. >> the point that dan made there about the sort of relevance of lying about this to the mueller investigation seems crucial to me. and we should remember that it's already being reported there are e-mails that dispute the white house claim that flynn acted independently when he was doing this, when he was talking to kislyak, e-mails coupled with interviews in court documents show that mr. flynn was, in f

want to get your reaction to this one weird story which is george papadopoulos shows up with his fiancee at a chicago nightclub called hydrate, which is always good advice. and a guy sidles up to him and recognizes him. and they have a conversation, which papadopoulos tells this dude, who is at the nightclub with him, that sessions was encouraging him the whole time when the russians were dangling the hacked e-mail. >> it's interesting because reuters has reported there were three witnesses who were at that meeting with sessions and papadopoulos that said no, sessions actually did not push back when papadopoulos suggested a meeting between trump and russian representatives. then again, it is very, very difficult to believe that papadopoulos would have run his mouth to a complete stranger at a bar. i mean, there is the london meeting of course as kind of a precedent to that. but that was with an australian diplomat. >> i just want to be clear that this entire investigation gets started because papadopoulos runs his mouth to an australian diplomat who ends up learning american inte

course of this investigation. what flynn has told them, what papadopoulos has told them. that's where the real questioning is going to come. >> i think it's also really important to note that if you have ever watch order read transcripts of trump depositions >> and there is a lot of them. >> and there are many, he says things frequently like in one lawsuit he said, well, i set the value of my properties in my mind. it depends on my state of mind. he says he hasn't met people that he clearly has met. so it's a situation where if you have a prosecutor that gets to ask all the questions, he doesn't get to do what he does with us which is issue a tweet that is going to send people running. >> right. >> he just has to answer the questions and the prosecutors will get to ask him no matter what he says. so that is what he is up against, and maybe the truest thing that rudy giuliani has said in the past days is that that's something that would kearney lawyer is that their client is liable to go off script any second. >> what did you think about him invoking i thought for the first time from t

committee, was hacked. the e-mails were taken out. then in april of 2016, papadopoulos learned that the russians had those e-mails. now, you can't tell me for a second if he's telling some australian diplomat in a bar what he learned from the russians that he didn't tell the campaign the same thing. >> yeah. >> so we know a crime was committed. the only question is, did the trump campaign conspire with the russians in order to throw the election to donald trump. all of the evidence here, all of the indications indicate the answer is yes. because if you look at the timeline even after donald trump said he was going to release this information that following monday, a few days later, you see the information being released by gucifer 2.0. another week later more information and then a few days later more information by gucifer 2.0. then on july 22nd, the day before the democratic national convention, bang, wikileaks releases more of that information. and who is the person that's communicating with both gucifer 2.0 and wikileaks? roger stone, donald trump's main political operative. so to m

wiz misud who told george papadopoulos that they had dirt on her. the russians had dirt on clinton. they had thousands of e-mails. it was that exchange in april 2016, months before the dnc e-mail hack became public that eventually helped trigger the fbi probe, the original one back in 2016 into the trump campaign. here is the thing, missud has been missing since last october, which would be around the same time that robert mueller revealed that papadopoulos was cooperating with investigators after getting caught lying about his contacts with missud. after a new report in the atlantic, there are indications that mueller has been hot on missoud's trail. natasha bertrand is a staff writer for the atlantic who broke that story and matt miller is a former spokesperson for the justice department department. natasha, i'll start with you. what do we know about robert mueller tracking down this mi missoud character? >> we know he detained his best friend and business partner for all intents and purposes last october some time at jfk when this german multimillionaire, his name is steven rowe

popping up. there's carter page here and george papadopoulos there and he's meeting with a maltese professor in london linked to the rush xwranz now we've got erik prince going to the seychelles, the crown prince of the uae has a russian fund manager and russian lawyers going to trump tower through some russian singer's kid. that seems to me purposeful and part of what steele was putting together. he was trying to figure out where all these cutouts relate back to the original push by russians. >> you have to remember that steele was at mi6, the secret intelligence service of great britain for about 20 years and his expertise was in russia. so he knows this kind of technique, and he understands how russia works and how their intelligence system works and so this is somewhat familiar to him. and he's looking at this pattern and thinking watch out. oh, my gosh. you know, they're really trying to sort of seduce and the people around him. >> jane maier, it's an amazing piece in the new yorker. best thing i've seen written been christopher steele, at the center of all this. thanks for be

russian leadership including putin." the adviser, george papadopoulos offered to set up a meeting between us and the russian leadership to discuss u.s.-russian ties under president trump. telling them that his russian contacts welcomed the opportunity. according to internal campaign e-mails read to the "washington post." the suggestion reportedly set off concern inside the campaign including from then campaign chair paul manafort. in a statement to nbc a spokesman said, "mr. manafort's swift action reflects the attitude of the campaign. any invitation by russia directly or indirectly would be rejected outright." meanwhile, "the new york times" is reporting that the special counsel, robert mueller, is now in talks with the white house to interview current and former officials. the reporter who broke that story joins me next. >>> the russia investigation is now reaching into the white house. according to the "new york times," special counsel robert mueller is in talks with the west wing about interviewing current and former senior administration officials, including the recently ousted whit

papadopoulos, a number of those people. matt, i want to read you the schiff statement there is a question about how the democrats on the committee deal with this now. adam schiff saying this. by ending its oversight role in the only thoshzed investigation in the house, the majority has placed the interests of protecting the country and will judge its actions harshly. what do you think the democrats on the committee do next? >> i think they have to take their case to the american public. look that. >> don't have any control of the committee. they can't call witnesses and themselves. they can write a response to this report. but they have to take their case to public and point out what a flawed investigation this is. but then, their work is not done. because the committee, just because it stopped this investigation, i don't think we should conclude that they're done messing around in this space. nunes has made it very clear he is off looking at the state department now. going to try to find some way to show that allies of clinton were somehow colluding with the russian there's. ano

event. pull back and remember, they were told, george papadopoulos was told in april, that the russians had obtained hillary clinton's e-mails. so i suspect they go in that meeting suspecting they are going to get hillary clinton's e-mails. they think it is still coming. public you see donald trump. who to believe, the president or his fixer or neither. lies, lies and more lies, next. what about him? let's do it. ♪ come on. this summer, add a new member to the family. at the mercedes-benz summer event. lease the glc300 for $429 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. we carry flowers that signifyn why we want to end the disease. and we walk so that one day, there will be a white flower for alzheimer's first survivor. join the fight at alz.org/walk. are you ready to take your then you need xfinity xfi.? a more powerful way to stay connected. it gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most wifi coverage for your home, and lets you control your network with the xfi app. it's the ultimate wifi experience. xfinity xfi, simple,

interests for years before joining the campaign. we know he got an e-mail from george papadopoulos about his contacts with the russian emissaries. we know he attended the infamous the trump tower meeting. we know he was in touch throughout the campaign with his friend kilimnik, the suspected russian operative since indicted. just a couple hours after manafort was taken into custody, the president's lawyer offered him a reason not to cooperate. rudy giuliani, former federal prosecutor, a man known for loving law and order here in new york city telling the "new york daily news," "when the whole thing is over, things might get cleaned up with some presidential pardons." i'm joined by two journalists, closely covering the saga of manafort. ken vogel from "the new york times" and natasha bertrand from the atlantic. ken, what a stunning turn of events for paul manafort. >> that's right. this is a guy who could have sort of faded away and maybe he would have been under some financial pressure. that's the reason that we understand that he decided to come back and sort of try to refresh his bona

want to play simona mangiante, the fe of george papadopoulos has changed her tune about her husband, his involvement in the investigation. i want to play this for you, betsy and get your reaction. it looks like to me the pardon dangling may be having an effect. take a look how she used to talk about everything and now. >> as soon as he found out he made a mistake he took responsibility for that and passed to the right side of >> the decision to cooperate. >> you exactly. i think he has been sort of the first domino in the russian case. >> dyorump shouldonder a pardon for george papadopoulos? >> yes, as i said i really wish for a pardon mostly in light of the circumstances that came out recently and they became public recently. they would completely justify and make a pardon appropriate in this case and deserved. >> betsy, she was calling him the john dean of the investigation. now she's saying james comey is corrupt. what do you think is going on here? >> he's courting president trump to try to pardon her. it would say something about ari melber's show if trump is decide who to pard

the e-mails. you'll remember george papadopoulos, that guy? according to his guilty plea about, a month after he attended that meeting with the candidate himself, that's donald trump and george papadopoulos sitting at the same table talking, about a month after that meeting with the candidate, papadopoulos learned from a russian intermediary the russians had e-mails of clinton. they have thousands of e-mails. that's an amazing thing to know before everyone else knows it we know from the same filings papadopoulos despite being described as "coffee boy" was in frequent contact with senior campaign officials and we just found out, and this got a little lost, this is important, that papadopoulos had been informed that the russians could assist the campaign by anonymously releasing the clinton e-mails, which sure as heck sounds familiar. ranking member adam schiff explained the significance of that revelation monday night right here on this program. >> our memo discloses for the first time that the russians preview to papadopoulos that they could help with disseminating these stolen e-

phone records from george papadopoulos until after the fbi interviewed him twice. that's crazy, but it's a testament to how slow this investigation was, not how aggressive it was. >> quinta, what do you think? one of the things and you were writing about this and people who read the actual report and the letter signed by former federal prosecutors come away white faced. the behavior there is so obviously indefensible, if you did it in any other investigation if you were the mayor and they were investigating real estate deals or someone who was around a mother and going around telling witnesses don't talk to the cops, you would get knicked for it. what is the distance between that and the public's understanding of what is contained? >> it's a good question. there are a couple of things going on. one is frankly that the president and his allies including attorney general barr have been really successful in spring the narrative. as the president side, no collusion, no obstruction, which is not what the report said. the other part of it is to be fair to the press, it's a 450 page docume

at the center of. >> yeah. ask michael flynn. ask george papadopoulos. ask rick gates. these were all the president's boys and they all turned on him. >> and nobody is a bigger boy of donald trump than michael cohen. i mean of all the people, of all the associates you've just mentioned, michael cohen was the one who was by his side for ten years. and not just handling sort of high profile litigation or some of the big business deals, but we have now seen growing evidence that his job was to cover up damaging information about trump. so if there is somebody -- if there is somebody who is a danger of flipping, he's -- your guy. >> the fascinating thing is to consider both david pecker and michael cohen probably know derogatory things about each other from the things they have done together. >> let's throw in a little civil libertarian bone in all of this. if a highly motivated federal prosecutor wants to shake someone down, and trump world has a lot of people involved in a lot of stretchy things. >> yep. >> michael cohen, the piece about him leads you if a motivated prosecutor wants to

informant talked to two people on the campaign, george papadopoulos and carter page. >> yeah, the stuff on papadopoulos and page that we have doesn't comport with that. >> i want to be clear. right. >> no. >> i want to nail down what's -- >> look, there's a lot of different things that have floated out there about this investigation that having -- and some things that the fbi has made mistakes on and has been criticized for, the text messages between the lead agent on the case and the lawyer at the fbi. that's a mistake that exposed has exposed the bureau to accusations of bias in the process and has done damage to them. other accusations about what the fbi did, why they started is the investigation and such have turned out not to be true. there's a lot of different things floated out there because this is a political issue at this point. this is a massive investigation but at the end of the day it, involves the president and it involves politics. >> i want to talk about this quote about the government informant because that has been what the president is sort of building this on,

. he is going after people like papadopoulos and flynn. he thinks they're low life thugs like he used to prosecute back in d.c. i think he had a little sit-down with gates where gates said okay, i can give you information about manafort. mueller is like i got that case. that's easy to prove. that's a paper case. it's failure to report, money laundering. he's got that case. mueller says to flynn, mueller says to gates, i need more. what else you got? and again i think that's why we see this guilty plea. >> so your point is that cooperation on the charges as stipulated against manafort isn't even that helpful because so many of the charges are a paper case. either he did or didn't do the things as documented. you think the fact that he is willing to plead guilty and that might be accepted suggests there might be more to tell. >> mueller is aggressive and he is tenacious and detailed. he has charged five americans with crimes. four out of the five have already plead guilty or like gates, will plead guilty. >> yeah. >> jill, where do you think this goes next based on what you were able to

national committee. they stole e-mails. we know that you know, a month later, that papadopoulos who was his foreign policy adviser was told about this. we know that june 4th, goldstone wrote to don junior saying he was going to bring the dirt, these documents likely the e-mails to trump tower. we know that a few days later, donald trump said he was going to talk about all the bad things the clintons did, then he didn't. then a week later, guccifer 2.0 starts publishing this dirt, these e-mails and it copies right on through the campaign with donald trump encouraging everybody to look at the wikileaks site and then you've got his hinedge man roger stone had communications with guccifer 2.0 and wikileaks. the outline of what has happened here is pretty obvious at this point. >> as someone who obviously went through the watergate process, do you think -- what is your reaction to hearing that mcgahn threatened to fire? because it sounds similar to you know, what happened over the department of justice under nixon when they were ordered to get rid of archibald cox. >> yes, i think it's v

. exactly. paul manafort's trial is scheduled for july. you have papadopoulos's trial scheduled for september. we still don't know what's going to happen with michael cohen. there are just so many different factors at play here that are all going to take place before the mid-terms. any kind of idea that this is going to wrap up before then kind of fantasy. we also have everyone except roger stone being interviewed about roger stone. so he's obviously going to be a very big part of this. >> that's -- the roger stone shoe is a shoe that a lot of people are waiting to drop as well, including possibly roger stone. natasha bertrand and nick akerman, thank you both for your time. some fun news before we go, i will be on "late night with seth myers" tonight. be sure to check it out, 12:30 on nbc. it was a blast. that is "all in" for this evening. >>> tonight in a free-wheeling red meat rally, the president tells the south carolina crowd, sometimes you have to toot your own horn because nobody else is going to do it. >>> plus our very public politics. sarah huckabee sanders kicked out of a

functionaries in his campaign, he didn't know carter page, he didn't know papadopoulos very much, if that were true, then why shouldn't this matter? why wouldn't you say yee gee, let's goat to the bottom of this that some peripheral character was talking to the russians and i'm glad you got to the bottom of this. that's not the way he is doing this and he is creating more smoke. >> yes, this is not about national security or the integrity of our justice system. this is about the president's criminal defense. rudy giuliani said today that any secret documents that are turned over to congress, the president's defense team should also get them. again, that's unconscionable. it's impossible to imagine this happening in any other administration except the trump administration. >> i just feel like the red line here, nancy, is very clear to me. if it is the case the president of the united states can order, can hereby demand the department of justice, the fbi to open investigations with no factual predicate, even with a factual predicate, he shouldn't be initiating it, but without anything

times" first reported late last year. that it was information from george papadopoulos which triggered the opening of an fbi investigation in late july, 2016. papadopoulos who is now cooperating with robert mueller's team was reported to have told an australian diplomat of all people over drinks in a pub or wine bar that are russia had political dirt on hillary clinton. we will talk about that specific revelation or at least confirmation of the reporting which has profound implications. we'll talk about that in just a bit. but proponents of the memo are using it to advance a different narrative using a patchwork of incomplete information which the fbi led by a republican hand picked by the president said contains "material omissions of fact." the memo's backers want to portray russia as the russia probe as an anti-trump conspiracy hop rating at the highest levels of the justice department. that supposesly began under president obama and crucially and implausibly has been advanced by donald trump's own political appointees. okay? that's what they want you to believe. they want you to be

actively trying to collude with the russian government. >> george papadopoulos. he is an oil and energy consultant, excellent guy. >> tonight the massive fallout from robert mueller's twin bombshells. >>> plus, what did the president know and when did he know it? >>> and how does carter page fit into all of this? >> has the special counsel reached out to you? >> my exclusive interview, when "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight the former chairman of the donald trump presidential campaign, paul manafort has been placed under house arrest, ordered to home confinement while out on $10 million bail. same goes for second trump adviser richard gates, indicted along with manafort and free on $5 million bail. but it was a guilty plea by a third adviser that was truly an astonishing move today by special counsel robert mueller. first came the indictments of the two senior campaigns to the president on 12 charges, including conspiracy against the united states, according to the unsealed indictment, former trump campaign chairman paul manafort a

so far and as well from cooperation from michael flynn and george papadopoulos who have been convicted to provide a basis for convictions and indictments going forward. >> senator richard blumenthal, thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> with me now are natasha bertrand and msnbc political analyst tim o'brien, executive editor of bloomberg view and bloomberg gadfly, and author of the book "trump nation: the art of being the donald." i'm going start with you, tim. you're in an enviable position of being one of the few people whom donald trump's threats of a lawsuit were actually followed through on. he sue you'd over your biography of him over your claims of his wealth. and talk a little bit about how that went. you wound up being able to depose him. can you anticipate what deposing him might be like? >> i don't think he is going to have a good experience. we deposed him a decade ago. he was ten years younger he was in a room with three of my attorneys. they were all veterans, including mary jo white, former district attorney for southern new york. over

dirt on hillary clinton. according to court documents papadopoulos learned about the supposed dirt from a professor with connections to the russian government who told him russia had "thousands of e-mails" that would make clinton look bad. cut to a few months later, wikileaks starts released hacked e-mails from the democratic national committee, thousands of them. according to the "times" this prompts australian officials to tell their american counterparts what papadopoulos said during that drunken night in london. that tipping along with the belief russia was behind the hacking were driving factors that led the fbi to open an investigation into possible trump/russia collusion. this is a really big deal. for one, it's hard to imagine papadopoulos told an australian diplomat about the russian dirt on clinton, but somehow didn't mention it to the fairly notable -- a fairly notable piece of information to other members of the trump campaign. it undermines one of the right wing's key arguments in its attempts to discredit mule exert fbi, an argument you've seen from congressional repu

newly revealed court documents when papadopoulos introduced himself, he stated in sum and substance he had connection that is could help arrange a meeting between then-candidate trump and president putin. over the past days numerous reports have appeared to try and clear sessions of wrongdoing, and also throw the president under the bus, recounting according to anonymous campaign sources that while then-candidate trump listened with interest to this proposal, sessions spoke vehemently against the idea, asking others not to discuss it again. there is however just one problem with that account. it's tough to square the idea that sessions dramatically shut down talk about connecting with russia, with his claim of having no memory whatsoever of any such talk by anyone involved with the campaign. now tonight there's a new report. in just the last few americans. that campaign adviser carter page, who was just sitting at this table a night ago, who set off investigators' red flags with a trip to moscow in the summer of 2016, is telling "all in" he testified in congress today that he told sess

the president's campaign manager. we've got the one of the individuals, mr. papadopoulos who clearly the russians reaped out to with information that was harmful to the clinton campaign and he's already pled guilty. there was a, i think it was two years ago today where there was the infamous trump tower meeting where russian agents were brought in to meet with trump junior, kushner, the campaign manager, with the idea of bringing dirt on hillary clinton. the president himself a week after that meeting went on national tv and basically said hey, if you've got dirt on hoda kotb, why don't you just bring it out and you then had the president go ahead and basically doctor a statement about the contact of that meeting. so just those items you show an awful lot of intent to include from the russians and you obviously see from donald trump jr.'s own e-mail traffic that he was anxious to have that information. and that doesn't even get to the fact, chris, of just look at the president's actions in the last ten days where he's been constantly haranging about the mueller investigation,

papadopoulos both pleaded guilty to the charges against them. peter strzok had nothing to do with them admitting to having broken the law. never mind that robert mueller is a lifelong registered republican. never mind the person who proceeded him at the helm was likewise a registered republican. an never mind the fact that the fbi agents, like all americans, do hold private political views, which do not disqualify them from carrying out their duty in faith. never mind all of that. the president's allies at trump tv are now using the peter strzok story to launch an all-out assault on mueller, his team and the whole fbi. >> mueller's probe is a total political sham. it's a witch hunt. it needs to be shut down immediately, if we believe in the rule of law and our constitution. >> mueller has been using the fbi as a political weapon, and the fbi has become america's secret police. secret surveillance, wiretapping, intimidation, harassment and threats. it's like the old kgb that comes for you in the dark of the night banging through your door. >> by the way, this is not a game. this is not

the taint of this fisa, when of course the investigation began with papadopoulos, began with the fbi learning that the russians had approached one of the campaign foreign policy advisers and told them that they had the stolen e-mails, that they were prepared to release them anonymously, as they would later do. but they also went on to challenge whether the fbi revealed to the court that christopher steele, this respected british intelligence officer, former officer, whether his bias had been disclosed to the court, that he had been doing this work on behalf of a law firm retained by the dnc. they claimed that there was no disclosure to the court when in fact now you can read the application and you can see they did disclose this bias. so in point after point basically the nunes memo has been discredited. but that doesn't stop either nunes or the president from saying otherwise. and i want to just hammer home that point because it's been such a key part of this counternarrative, the idea that this sort of deep state conspiracy gets the dossier, goes to the court and doesn't it will th

papadopoulos employee agreement there are a lot of signals from mueller. papadopoulos is told by a russian agent in april of 2016 the russians have dirt on hillary clinton in the form of thousands of e-mails. >> prior to any of it being public. >> the public has no idea about this. >> that's what's so significant about that disclosure. >> yeah, absolutely. that's in april. adam schiff, representative adam schiff on your show says if you look at his memo from the house intelligence committee it had a new revelation which is that papadopoulos was also -- the russians previewed for papadopoulos their plan to disseminate the e-mails. that's a further step. >> and that papadopoulos copies manafort on e-mails riltded to these exchanges. >> one of which is titled something like russia wants to meet putin. sorry, russia wants to meet trump. after that, after the being told of the e-mails and manafort sends this e-mail to rick gates that says we shouldn't let dt do this, somebody low level to do it so as to send no signal. >> okay, that's a pretty good case. that is what is hanging over pau

the trump campaign. this goes all the way back to the april of 2016 when george papadopoulos is approached and goes into the trump tower meeting, and the nra. there are just repeated attempts to try to get -- you know, to try to knock on the door. the reason they are doing that is because the door was opening. they were being let in. you know, they are going to try, in whatever way possible. and this is the more conventional way of just giving to an inauguration or to a lobbying firm, to do that. >> seth, and robert, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> for more on what all this tells us about the mueller investigation i'm joined by a retired federal judge in the district court of massachusetts. and a former deputy assistant general. i want to talk to you about two fes of information. one of them is a "wall street journal" story that just crossed that says mueller also asked fo ford. michael cohen said hey ford, dupe the hire me? >> they said no things. here's why i think that's interesting. that on its face has nothing do with russia. right? am i wrong. >> nothing on its

it is to analyze both pa pa papadopoulos and flynn. delaying sentencing. papadopoulos's usefulness has expired. but flynn has not. relying on him to potentially testify at a trial against that person and i would put off the sentencing until after that trial. so you know, on the one hand that is why they are doing this, but the notion that flynn is pushing for expediting sentencing and the government is agreeing is a much more abbreviated time frame than i would expect. i would think would be a year from now. >> thank you both. >>> after the break, want to guess how many white nationalists running in the fall? there is more than one. that is next. i promised our family i'd find your lost recipe. by tracing our history on ancestry, i found the one person who still had it. now, i'm brewing our legacy back to life. i'm david thieme, and this is my ancestry story. now with 100 million family trees, find your story. get started for free at ancestry.com. you always get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed? let's say it in a really low voice. carl? lowest price, guaranteed. just stick

papadopoulos pleaded guilty, calling the foreign policy adviser a mere coffee boy on the campaign, the president's allies are now desperately trying to minimize gates' role. >> more logistics, event planning, things that were going on behind the scenes. a lot of the busy work was what rick i saw did. i wasn't sure as how far into the policy or into the campaigning itself he was involved with. i don't think he was, actually. >> yeah, just the busy work. just the guy who was the deputy campaign chairman and worked on the inaugural committee and then helped set up the president's outside group nonprofit. all through that time, that guy just a busy work kind of dude who now also happens to be a felon. this is the latest attempt to confuse, discredit the russia investigation, a project that has taken various different forms over the past several months not just from the republican, but from the republicans in congress who have been four square behind him for the most part. the most recent is the so-called nunes memo, cooked up by the house intelligence chairman which we were told in a breat

got three pawns. he's got papadopoulos, he's got the dutch lawyer. and he's got rick gates. he's also knocked out one of his had castles in the sense of that whole argument about the russian investigation being a hoax. and in the meantime, the queen who is manafort, is being closed in from all sides and faces almost certain jailtime. what we have is we're getting very close to checkmate. and that's why you see all of this crazy activity from donald trump where he's tweeting all kinds of irrational statements. >> yet again today, we should note, directing his attorney general essentially in a public venue to criminally investigate his political enemies. >> that's right. he's doing. >> which he does normally and which we've sort of gotten used to. >> if you take all of these things together, he knows from his joint defense agreement with his lawyers what questions are being asked people close to him. he knows that the investigation is starting to close in on him. >> what do you make of the dutch lawyer? i mean, a lot of people thought this was strange. strange for a number of reasons. i

papadopoulos. papadopoulos is one of the key sort of cooperating witnesses. he has already pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about the nature of his contacts with russians it appears. the sentencing and moving the sentencing, do it strike you as a significant step in terms of the role he's playing in the investigation? >> yeah, so while -- we have to be careful not to read too much into this. the usual case is when someone is being moved to sentencing is you've wrong them dry and gotten what you needed. mueller is careful to point out just because someone's been indicted doesn't mean we're done with that aspect of the investigation or we're done using what he's already given us. here's my theory. they've approved sentencing because they got what they needed from him but they are going to use what they've got much on down the line against other people. >> you worked with robert mueller. you know the man. you know his, him personally and how he operates. i wonder the degree to which, obviously they're busy and trying to make these cases and get to the bottom of things. the degree to

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security adviser by the name of michael flynn who has already pleaded guilty same as george papadopoulos. those are the people the president selected to run his campaign and put into his white house respectively. also today, just hours after the cpac crowd did their lock her up chant, it was announced that missouri's governor, eric greitens was indicted on a charge of felony invasion of privacy. a rising star in the republican party. that's his mugshot by the way till well probably today. the details behind this explosive and fascinating news story next. >>> missouri governor eric greitens was indict today by a st. louis grand jury on a felony charge of invasion of privacy. kansas city star reports the charge steps from an affair and allegations he threatened to release a nude photo of the woman taken while she was blindfolded and her hands were bound if she spoke publicly about the fair. he was arrested by st. louis city deputies and rained today. republican state representative nate walker an early supporter told the star "i called for him to step down three weeks ago because i thought

, carter page, george papadopoulos, roger stone. as a prosecutor, can it be coincidental this that many people were having outreach and communications with the russians without it being a conspiracy or collusion in your view? >> in my view, they were all part of this conspiracy to break into the democratic national committee, steal those e-mails and use them to get donald trump elected. >> spencer ackerman and nick ackerman, thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >>> after the break, donald trump folds just hours after his veto threat as congress explicitly blocks funding for the wall. why conservatives are salty with trump next. and this is frank's record shop. frank knowns northern soul, but how to set up a limited liability company... what's that mean? not so much. so he turned to his friends at legalzoom. yup! they hooked me up. we helped with his llc, contracts, and some other stuff that's part of running a business. so frank can focus on the beat. you hear that? this is frank's record shop. and this is where life meets legal. but prevagen helps your brain with an ing

already had plea agreements, george papadopoulos and michael flynn, two people charged and pled not guilty, rick gates, this individual who is the deputy of paul manafort who is the campaign chair for the campaign. what is the significance, if he were to become a cooperating witness? >> so this is interesting because we don't know the answer to that. much like we don't know everything that the mueller investigation is working on. we're not sure whether gates has value because he's going to cooperate and testify against manafort. making it that much more likely that manafort, too, will decide to cooperate and testify and help out the mueller investigation or does gates have some value of his own that he can offer against other key targets. we know that he stayed on with the campaign for a little ways at least after manafort left. perhaps he was around at the convention when there was this is change to the platform that favored russia. he might be able to shed some light on that. but it's not really clear. is he valuable intrinsically or just because he helps with manafort. >> is this