. but robin steinberg, you have been working on national bail fund, but also seeing what's happening locally around the country. can you share both your, you know, experience with bail reform and also if you want to chime in on any views, we will come back to those conversations. >> sure. first, i appreciate my comments of my fellow panelists and particularly joanne's comments that is a painful reminder of the cost of justice. i experienced as public defender in south bronx. and there is obviously the human and moral cost and the economic price some of us referred to here that we all pay. we spend 14 billion every year holding people in jail pretrial. that's 38 million a day. and when you factor in the collateral consequences, runs as high as 140 billion annually we spend holding people in jail who haven't been convicted of a crime. and it's already been talked about it is staggering. half a million sitting in jail tonight. that affects 2.5 million every year and we turn in this country through this country. each one is a human life, it's important to remember that. that human life i

need to think about it but robin steinberg, you have an working on the bail project but also working on the national bail fund around the country. can you share your experience with bail reform and also chime in on any views, we will come back to that recession, feel free? robin: i appreciate the comments of my fellow panelists, particularly joann's comments were powerful and a reminder of the human cost of injustice, what i would say i recognized three decades as a public defender. there is obviously the human cost here. there is also the economic crisis some of us have referred to. we all pay. we spent $14 billion every year holding people in jail pretrial, that is $38 million a day. and when you factor in the collateral consequences, actually the estimates run as high as $140 billion annually, we spend, holding people in jail self who haven't been convicted of a crime. it has already been talked about but the numbers are staggering. half a million people sleeping in a jail cell tonight, probably 2.5 million people every year, and that is because we churn in this country 12 million