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awelcome to al jazeera americas agency says newman was deported for huma humanitarian reason. south africa is planning a week of memorial services to hon ohonor nelson mandela who died t the age of 85. 100,000 people are expected:the date for the state funeral is being worked out. major news in the economy a
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jump in construction and manufacturing jobs helped bring the unemployment rate down to 5%. the economy gained 200,000 new positions last month. in mexico startling new developments about a cargo of stolen radioactive material. they havthey have arrested two . they are being treated for raid radiation poisoning. poisoning. ♪ ♪ as the word continues to mourn the loss of nelson
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mandela, stories are emerging of how america was crucial in the fight against racial segregation. consider this what was america's role in helping break the power of apartheid ove overseas the secretary for african a affairs will join us. new york's mayor elects one of the biggest supporters to head the nypd. a new wave of violence hit bebengazi. >> what would it be like to live on a floating ship in the middle of the ocean. welcome to "consider this". we begin with the celebration of the life and legacy of nelson mandemandela.
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a ten-day mourning period began in south africa where mandela ercheddeendended the wave of ap. mamandela's fellow lauret sd the sun will rise tomorrow and the next day and the next. it may not appear as bright today but life will carry on. joining me now is johnny carson. we are also joined by dr. silvia hill a board member at transafrica the oldest foreign policy organization in the united states. transafrica was at the heart of the anti-apartheid fight in the
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1980's and she traveled with nelson mandel la o mandela on hp to the united states. thank verthank you very much fog us. >> urchyou are both uniquely positioned to talk about nelson mandela. what was your reaction to the news that nelson mandela passed. >> we all expected that he would pass in the immediate future but we are deeply saddened by the loss of one of the world's great greatest leaders and statesmen. all of us mourn with the south africans on this sad and tragic day. >> silvia your reaction. >> very much the same. dying is a part of life. but with such a spirit that had
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really taken such a role of seeking justice. it almost seemed like an era i knew in my heart of hearts that phase of struggle. >> let us keep our love together so that we form a solid form against racism. we are sure that that day comes now. while our common actions let them show that justice tr triums without delay. when that has come to pass, then shall we all be entitled to
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acknowledge when other say let us be peace makers. >> dr. hill, you were with him on that trip to the united states. what kind of reception did he receive? >> the trip was an outstanding display of public support, not only for president mandela as a person, a historical figure, but it was also a display of support for the ideals that he and african national congress stood for. it was a symbol of the long struggle and our continued struggle in this country against injustice and of course against racism. so that many people came out of the side streets just to see him pass by in the motorcade.
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and of course, the first large ticket parade was in new york. and it just had thousands of people there to see him. >> we have those incredible pictures of that ticker tape parade as he made his way to the canyon of heros and that incredible reception. >> ambassador the united states was important to him. when he came out of prison he spoke to out about how important it had been fo for the u.s. sanctions in south africa and how it helped get him out of prison. how big of a role go that did e sanctions play? >> they were very important. the united states did in fact impose measured sanctions on south africa beginning in the
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mid 1 1980's enforcing the sullivan principles, mandating all companies working in south africa to play their employees black and white the same wages for the same labor. in that time and the legislation the u.s. barred the sale of the famous south african gold coin the and took a number of other measured steps. these helped to give a psychological boost to the struggle of the anc and it's cause. and it also helped to further undermine the integrity of the apartheid regime there. >> i think that much credit should be given to organizations
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like transafrica to the senate and on the house side who continued to push sanctions forward. i must say against stout resistance from the republican admissioadministration that wasn office under ronald reagan. >> thethey were important and ty helped support the struggle there. and to begin to discredit the apartheid regime internationally and in the eyes of many the current campaining against south
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africa is a fad and morale hoola hoop and fun for a while. was that mostly because of cold war thinking at that time? there was a feeling that the anc was communist? >> i think so. there were many politicians in the united states and globally in western countries who felt that the anc was in fact an off shoot of the south african communist party. that it was affiliated with the larger com communist movement globally. i think they misunderstood history and they misunderstood the desire of black people across africa and southern after africa at the time to seek justice and equality for themselves on the same level. regrettably mr. will was wrong
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and as were a number of leading american politicians on the right who solved the anc as a communist organization. i would note just historically and it's very important fact that the anc which was established in 1905 predates by a decade and a half the establishment of the russian communist party. the struggle for equality based on the content of a person's character and not the color of his skin was the main driver for nelson mandela as it was for civil rights leader here in the united states. there is a join and conjunction there. i think people in this country as dr. hill points out, had a special afint afinty for nelson
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mandela. >> you saw that, dr. hill, first hand. your organization transafrica played a pivotal role in the anti-apartheid movement. was mande mandela here in greatt to say "thank you" to the united states? >> yes he was here to say, "thank you" he had a very important agenda to present himself and the african national congress as kind of a political configuration that could assume state power and lead the nation through the non-apartheid era. that was a very important aspect to his visit. equally as important, however, was to have the kind of public
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support for mr. mandela and the organization and the public content and to have that public support that would out weigh the notion that they were. >> he himself said he didn't want to be known as a saint sai. if we go too far in bea beatifyg him that the message will be lost. we always have to be concerned about that because there is a tendency when we deal with sound
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soundbites. it gives an image of a person. i think it's important to highlight his real attributes of leadership and his his personality and personal attributes as a personality of south africa. he never waivered on the notion that he was a symbol of oppressed people. >> right. and on that point. on the point of leadership, ambassador, a final question to you. you saw it. you were an an ambassador of gim zimbabwe. because of the way he governed south africa. you see a different south africa than what happened to zimbabwe
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there. mandela's leadership was tremendously important. >> enormously important. after 27 years in prison most of which was in solitary confinement on robin island, nelson mandela had every right to come out of jail angry and recentful. angry and recentful towards the apartheid regime that put him there. and angry and recentfu recentfud his captors. he did not come out that way. he did not come out that way. nelson mandela came out with a commitment towards rec consill reconcilliation and redemption and not revenge and retribution. >> and what a difference that has made. >> and because he put rec reconcilliation and redemption above all else, we have a south
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africa that is enormously different in it's character, it's success, it's stablity, than we see in neighboring zimbabwe. robert mugawbe spent a long time in prison, 17 years. but robert mugawbe came out recentful and seeking revenge. he should have read and heeded the word of nelson mandela. nelson mandela once said that being resentful is like drinking poison and expecting it to kill your enemies. nelson mandela is an enormous giant and i believe, as we look towards the future, as we look toward the past in which he has been a part of us, we will see a figure and a statesman who on a
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global basis is up there with people like gandhi. here is man that not only transformed his own country and captivated the views and thinking of a contin continent t influenced the thinking of a global community. this is it a man whose stature is up there in an elevated level yonltd whicbeyond which many wi, ever get to. thank you both for joining us tonight to pay tribute to this giant. coming up new york city mayor elect picks a new york police commissioner. bill braton. why did a man who campain against stop and frisk appoint a man who was a proponent.
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antonio wha what is it likeo live on minimum wage in the most expensive city in the u.s.? i talked to some fast food employees in new york city. we'll tell you more coming up. what do you think, tell us on "consider this" and google and facebook pages.
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the man referred to by many as americas' top cop is on his way back to the nypd a after almost 120 years. 20 years. bill braton helped change a city crippled by violence. how does the father of modern aggressive policing get a job from a mayor who campain against stop and frisk. joining us is lou columbo, he
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runs a protection agency and a long time friend of incoming nypd commissioner bill braton. good to have you here. he was the police commissioner for the first decade of this centrery and he greatly expanded it's use. it's the most basic fundmental tool of america policing we cannot function without it. why would a mayor who is against stop and frisk appoint the proponent. >> you have to qualify that. and die identify the fact that a
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city that he was police commissioner, they had a stat when he first took office that was roughly 2200 homicide a year. that supported an aggressive tactic of this nature. the approach to los angeles is not much different. and my opinion and i have had a home and residence in la for a very, very long time, they have problems that fortunately that we don't seem to have and one of those is gang related incidents. i think the mayor realizes that the policy necessary, i think it becomes an exercise of how it's implemented and that is why braton is a valuable tool. >> he is a very aggressive and intelligent and cerebral law enforcement enforcer. >> do you think he will to indown stototonedown stop and .
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>> i think so. he is the most talented law enforcer in the business. >> we should address that he served as police commissioner in la and new york city for the past 20 years and he was tremendously successful in both places. he pioneered and pushed forward the broken windows theory and he penaltwent after the little crid all of the little things that created a sense of disorder. and he created the comp stat program which used computer models and stats-for-high crime areas. how dramatic of effect has he had across the country. >> his programs have been implemented in baltimore and los angeles and you have gary mccarthy who has learned
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braton's ways and implemented them in cities like chicago the other thing about the commissioner, he has been sought after efe everywhere. he speaks and lectures everywhere he goes. he is an intel genlt intelligenl reread individual. he is going to continue to have a impact on law enforcement. >> the reaction has been overwhelmingly positive. unions are supportive and most civil rights leaders are supportive and especially in los angeles where he worked recently there is one counse council manw york who did not support him. >> asking him come back is like asking an arsonist to put out fires. will bill braton do a really good job of reaching out to the community and healing some of
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these wounds that have existed? i know he did in la a very effective job. >> he g did it in la and he will do it again here in new york. he is a very intelligent individual who has the ability to read the landscape. it was probably easier being the police commissio commissioner 2o than it is today. when you have a crime stat as we had in new york city you could get away with anything you need to. people were begging with change. >> i lived here back then and there is to question he was very popular in new york because he made such a gr dramatic differee in a very short period of time. >> i think his views are somewhat skewed and he is short sighted in assessing braton.
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i have had an honor of being around him. my business is predicated on observation and he observe everyone. he has not been denied that honor by he. he is an interesting man and very, very smart. >> what do you think he will do this time and what kind of effect to you thin do you thinke on policing around the country. >> i think immediately he is going to reeducate our police department here. he is going to get them in a different mode and thought of acting on the street. and he is probably going to explain to them our whole approach in the city has to be different than 20 years ago ago. agoing. i want to brush on the topic of come stat. there was another very good value on comp stat. it made the upper echelon accountable. >> because the crime stats on the computers would show whether
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they were doing well in their areas. >> it would address them and made them better bosses. that resonated. no one likes to be yi criticizer scrutinized to carefully. that existed here. near thinanother thing i will tu about the commissioner he has a tretremendous amount of people t are loyal to him. on lieutenant that ran his detail that was self established in his own right. jon miller is one of the well versed people on the topic of terrorism. i held jon's security when he was at abc. you are mesmerized by the amount of knowledge he has. >> i know jon is a big fan of
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braton. it will be interesting to see what he does when he comes back to his old job. we'll follow him. turning now to the november jobs report. the numbers look good unemployment is down to 5% and economy is growing faster than exhibited anexhibitexpected. are the pos positive numbers hig a dark truth? joining us is anthony chan chief economist at jp morgan chase. the employment is down to 5% and wages have risen 2.3% and work portioforce participation is upd gdp and i the stock market is s. is is it time to break out the
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champagne. >> we have not seen 3% economic growth on an annual basis for years. >> we are not going to see that for the year? >> we are not going to see that. in the fourth quarter so much of it is due to inver insven invene growth rate is going to slow down. >> should we worry about the type of jobs that are, created? >> i think we have to be concerned when we see that. the truth of the matter is you are seeing jobs in the manufacturing sector being created. in this month it was a strong month for manufacturing. we have seen a lot of jobs created in the healthcare sector ad jobs created in the healthcare sector. they are paying an average wages north of $20 an hour we are created good paying jock jobs ad
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some low paying jocks. jobs. and a lot of jobs that were created were government jobs, almost 40%. >> that is a misunderstanding. when you look at the number of people that were laid off and now they are being rehired. it's an artificial jump. >> it's artificial jump. they were counted as unemployed for the household survey but they were counted as being employed for. >> what are th the outcomes? may have another gebilities debg
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battle. consumer confidence is low. how optimistic are you? >> i'm guardedly optimistic. bayeboehner is confident. he is sending the house home. i'm looking for growth in the neighborhood of 2 and a half -it's stronger.i'm wrong i think it's making progress and that is on top of this years'economic growth rate and we maybe slightly below two and a half percent. wages while growing they are still well before the recession. it's the slowest recovery ever from the recession.
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are you at all concerned that we might see a back slietd? slide? >> i'm not. the economic recovery is too slow and people are getting impatient. we lost 8.7 million jobs and at that stage we have created 7 and a half million jobs. we are 1.1 million jobs short of the jobs before the recession. that is despite the fact that we have 14 more people out there that are workers in the economy. and the current unemployment the rate would be a record high if we looked at the prerecession economy. even if the federal reserve continues not to keep stimulating the economy that we'll be okay? >> i think we are making progress. the progress is slow but none thelenonetheless the progress is there.
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when you are looking at $85 billion you cut ten or 15 that is not bad. >> you have no concerns about the stock market that has soared as a rut of th result of the feg this but they have responded to the job numbers too. >> they have talked about a six and a half percent unemployment rate and maybe waiting a little longer. >> i think the federal reserve is careful they don't short circuit the fragile. >> it's great to see you. thank you for coming in. jobs were on the mind of
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thousands of 23,56 fast food wo. what did you find out? >> i went to downtown new york city where hundreds of workers gathered calling for the minimum wage to be raised to $15. fatfasthfast foot food workers s making tough decisions everyday. it's tough to get by. >> i have to decide whether i want a metro card or eat today. >> everything i make has to go with paying off a bill or getting me something toe to eat. >> many of us have family as and kids and sometimes we don't get to see because we have to work the whole day. one job the second job and you
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get home late in the night and your kids are already sleeping. >> a lot of people i have spoke to say the food prices at the ramplerestaurant have gone up bt their wages are not. >> they ca can always get a new job. people are always blaming the system. >> if someone has to flip theburto flip the burgers you shouldn't have to decide between paying the rent or eating. it's build as a floating city. but how real lis realistic is tm ship.
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oiler tragedy is raising new concerns for americans abroad especially in the middle east. ronnie smith from austin texas was jogging when a gunman drove up to him and killed limb.
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nine people were killed in benghazi. 27 wh27 were killed when protess open fired on a group of protestors. he isebastian walker was in bena de. and he joins us now from san francisco. >> it seems it be a ta targeted killing at this stage. iin isif that is
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case there have been a number of targeted killings. >> it's a place where security is deteriorating. we just got back from there and certainly that is what we saw on the ground. it's a place that is tense and there are militias that are controlling the security there and no one knows who is in control. >> if an american was targeted. we saw a few months ago they cap captured an al qaeda operator, could that revenge for that capture? that is certainly what the speculation is at this point. it was recently in the days and weeks after the capture there
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was a lot of anger on the streets of tripoli. it was the kidnapping of one of the militia that was running the security. and that kind of incident definitely is making the situation very insecure in liberalibyaright now. >> deborah jones tweeted libya won't succeed in driving away her friends. >> the state department issued a travel warning in june. the department of state warns u.s. citizens of the risk of traveling to libya and strongly advices against all but essential travel to tripoli and all to benghazi. how many americans are left in the region? >> there were watches i warningy
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places where you have to take the safe route. and i it wasn't too bad in tripoli. we were there for a little over a week. the massacre of 50 civilians that took place a week ago is a sign of that. but as far as foreigner being targeted, journalists are 2350eb8feelthreatened-for-their. >> even in ben g benghazi it's t foreigners being targeted it's a struggle between different ma englishemilitias trying to gaine upper hand. >> so mostly the danger is the interflainternal strife.
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>> you met with deborah jones, the ambassador what did she say about what the u.s. is trying to do there in libya. >> we had the first inte intervf deborah jones. she has been on the ground for six months. she has a difficult job on her hands and she has to be careful. this has become a very political issue. when we met with state department officals in washington, d.c. they are not at liberty to talk with libya. there is political news coverage werwith what happened with the consular attack. her hands are somewhat tied blue sh.she would like to be doing m. there are some pr programs thate u.s. does have going.
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p>> they are able to train members of the libya security members eafnld givinmembers ande training and making them a nationanationalized army. that has not got off the ground yet and that is something that she would like to move forward with. and the political row row in washington about what happened with the benghazi attack. we have some viewer response. >> how safe are americans abroad. their safety depends on us national security at any given time. >> i think that is true to an effect. >> i have banf been reporting oe region since 2003 and in the yoorgs after that it was
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dangerous and there was a lot of anti-american sentiment in parts of iraq. at this point in libya people were positive towards the fact that the international community has come in to assist the natiol revolution. i don't think it's a sign that people are hostile to foreigners coming into libya. it's a worrying development blut this comes on the back of a lot of positive feeling of foreigners that came in to help the people of libya do what though could to remove quadaffi. it's too early to say that the u.s. policy is having an impact. >> certainly it's a concern. something like this makes life difficult for civilians working in the country especially journaespeciallyjournalists.
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>> as i was saying earlier this is the latest in a string of incidents that started to ripping thrirngthe alarm. alarm -- ring the alarm. straight ahead. a newly built ship dwarfs all vessels on the sea how would it stack up to biblical competition? next.
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today's data dive. this is 1600 feet end to end. that is 150 feet longer than the empire state building is high.
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that is almost the length of five back-to-back soccer fields. >> it's so big that there is an argument raging that this new ship can be called a ship. it will spend it's time anchored to the ocean floor. it's built to with stand is a category 5 hurricane. it will spend the next two decade in cyclone alley. it could produce 20% more natural gas than hong kong needs in a year. no wonder shell oil paid $112 billion to build it. how does it stack up to a cruise ship. lure of the see has four pools and ten whirl pools and ice skating rink and zip line and mini golf. it was dry docked last month with engine trouble. the allure is five centimetres longer than it's twin, the oasis
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of the seas. which has the same amenities and it's own central park. for the report you can't feel that five centimeter difference. the prelude is bigger than both cruise ships and bigger than most aircraft carriers in the world it's 1100 feet in length and not close to the prelude. and if you want to get biblical noah's arc is only a quarter of the size. if no waug know noha was able tf each animal it wouldn't have been as cramped. we will look at what it's like to live on a proposed whoe new world. later.
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imagine a 25 story floating city circling the globe with 50,000 permanent residents and
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20 thank you crew members and 20,000 a short term residents and a smal school a hamilton ana ai -- a hospital and airport. do you think you could live in the middle of the ocean? joining me is longer gou scr. this. ch now thank you for joining us. >> thank you nches. >> are there enough people around to want to live on a floating city? >> our internet site has been hit by number rug by numerous pe that wish to live on it and work on it and do business on it. we believe that there will be enough interest own it.
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>> you are hoping that people will buy apartments and live there full time. >> it has all the amenities of a land-based community. it's on a super platform that is a maritime platform that circum nav gates thcircumnavigates the. if you take people's wants and needs on a float bein floating m they will see the countries of the world. what kind of costs are we talking about? >> in building the ship? >> if i wanted to live on the ship what would it cost me. >> we have two-week time shares that are $40,000 we have units like a land based community up to a few mil million dollars. very ana similar to a land based
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community. just like in a land-based city you can buy it or lease it and do business on the ship as well. >> people can have their businesses there as well. the size of the ship is tremendous. it's larger than the w queen may and larger than the biggest floating vessel that is 1600 feet. it's too large to dock anywhere. how will res residents and guesg move too and from. from a land based city you can get in your car and go somewhere, here you can't. >> it there stay 15 miles off shore an circumnavigate the globe. there will be a fleet offe of fy vessels and commute e commuter s
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well we'll be able to commute them easily and often on a daily base significancbasis. if you have a land based town that doesn't have enough entertainment to keep them engaged they can drive to other places how will you keep them enteenterentertained. there will be stores and restaurants and all of the amenities that a land-based city has and the residents will be able to visit the countries every week. >> then that blis brings up the
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question the cities bound by land are bound by-laws. they have taxes and fire departments and local governments. >> some people say it could be a tax haven. it 345e nai notit may not be un. >> we do not anticipate we will flacflag the vessel under u.s. l have police force and fire protection and amenities that you need to provide in a land based city. there will not be real estate taxes but we need a revenue stream to provide for the services of the fuel and the crew and those will be dobb done condcondominium maintenance fee. we'll derrive fee basis for the
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commercial units that wil provie the safety and security of the ship and fuel and crews salaries as well. we have a social media question. >> maybe you can pick up the garbage floating in the sea and build a city on that. how will the ship be powered? do you have plans to build green? >> we have a fair amount of technology. it's going to be a showcase of environmental and green technology. and request respect to the blow propulsion they're electronic motors and we would require 100 bhaise100based on our tonnage. we are going to have incinerator toilets and we'll be very green and we'll be showcasing this green nool technology as we
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circumnavigate the globe. >> what is the likelihood that this is going to happen? that you will be able to circumnavigate the globe and this pr project will get off the ground 1 $10 billion is the cos. how much money have you raised and how likely is it that this will happen? >> i have been asked that a number of times. >> needless to say we have gone public a week ago needless to say it has not come with major capital at this point rchlts. point. th project was could b conseeme5 years ago. he camthey came up with the idea floating city. there was a core of us going around the world trik trying to promote this. and we tabled the project and mr. nixon passed away and a number of us thought we might
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try to revitalize his dream in the event that the global economy has turned around positively and possibly the venture capital can come if there is a general interest which we believe there is, bloab globally. we have to wait to see if the dollars are in and the develop tuventurecapital monies could . and glrchthe response has been overwhelming and we are filing l positive about it if the money does come. >> i am sure that people are rooting for you roger and we wish the best for the freedom ship. the show may be over but it continues on facebook or google plus pages you can also find us
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