youth through their own eyes called "edge of 18." the conversation continues on the website aljazeera.com/considerthis. you can find us on twitter or tweet me. see you next time. . >> hello everybody. this is al jazeera america. i'm david shuster in new york. taking aim, u.s. air strikes target top officials as the group aims for new territory. search and recovery - the texas country where hundreds of migrants have died. volunteers helping families find lost ones. why some americans want to avoid common core education, and
we talk to a teacher. from funny girl to business woman, remembering joan rivers, one of the sharpest minds in show business - on and off the stage. we begin this hour with a fight to stop the islamic state group today. mosul and iraq, one of their top commanders reportedly died in a u.s. air strikes. it has not been independently confirmed. the attack has pushed back the fighters. the operation in northern iraq is costing $7.5 million, say the pentagon. more u.s. soldiers are headed to the region, a third of troops ordered to baghdad have arrived. yates ratchets up its -- united states ratchets up its presence in iraq, islamic state group is claiming more territory, saying pakistan and afghanistan is part of its calafat, a challenge to
the ambitions of al-qaeda, and could prompt the group responsible for 9/11 to consider islamic state a rival. mike lyons is a former army major and a senior fellow at the truman institute. al qaeda has ambitions with india. islamic state has pakistan, afghanistan. what is going on? >> there's a lot of movement in the territories. there'll be a fight between al qaeda and i.s.i.s. to see who will come out on top and be the lead jihadist. it could be a war of attrition taking place without any u.s. >> to hear that al qaeda and islamic state may clash, what can the united states and europe do to help make it happen? >> continue to support the security forces. look for the opportunities to go on the offenses. all we have done is been on the
defensive. there's not more that can be done. 127 air strikes is nothing. it's not anything offensive that can take away the i.s.i.s.'s means of waging war. >> there was a report. the leader of abu bakr al-baghdadi, was alleged to have been killed in an air strike. how crucial is it to cut off the leadership? >> one of the strategies is to go after the head, to cut the head of the snakes, so to speak. in this situation, is has more depth. it's not like a small group where if you knock off the leader it splinters. they have leaders, it will take many leaders. we'll have to do what we do in iraq, go after the mid level, tactical leaders. >> as far as the gapes that the islamic state made, iraqi forces, peshmerga forces have taken about mt sinjar, mosul
dam, amerli and others. how capable are they holding it back? >> the american air strikes are part of that defensive mission. they'll need troops, the iraqi security forces. there's over 300,000 of them out there. they need to get into the fight. they have to come up their way, come through tikrit to get to the fight, to get to the northern part of iraq to roll them back. they'll roll them back across a road network. it's a simply military operation. >> we heard a number of politicians in washington. both suggesting that president obama needs to lead military attacks against islamic state in syria. there has been a push back at the n.a.t.o. meetings with european leaders saying that should not be the focus. what is your take? >> n.a.t.o. has a full plate. they need standard forces, they are dealing with what is happening in ukraine. we'll have a ceasefire, but vladimir putin won the situation. he'll have a veto control over
the ukraine government. it's a defensive alliance, if n.a.t.o. decides to get involved in i.s.i.s. it can overextend itself. you'll see the united states and britain getting the lead. >> given the united states and great britain with the capability going into syria, should the united states do it? >> that's a great question. i don't know what the final end state looks like. if the president has to visualise for the country what he wants the end state to look at, and measure the means and goals. i think the nation of syria could be destroyed over this. when that happiness, who will build it, what military goes in on the ground and takes it over. who will be responsible, an iranian, egyptian, the president wants it from the arab league, the arab nation and not have the troops on the ground. >> they talk about afghanistan and pakistan, do they have capability to spread to the
countries? >> they do. they have social media outlet's, they have the capability, a difficult time in pakistan, more infrastructure to fight it. afghanistan is the wild, wild west outside of kabul and those areas. if they get along with the taliban. the groups are competing for a limited amount of resources, which are people that will spread their word and mission across the countries, and they don't always get along. >> mike lyons, senior fellow. thank you for coming in. >> ukraine's president says he's optimistic about a possible ceasefire agreement with pro-russian separatists. the two sides are scheduled to sit down tomorrow in belarus. n.a.t.o. leaders meeting in wales called on russia to withdraw its troops immediately. moscow denies its troops are in ukraine. video from harry fawcett, along
the russian-ukranian border. >> heavy armour on the move to mariupol. several thousands troops and vehicles - this is what we saw heading down the road from the russian border. 11 battle tanks, two armoured personnel carriers, a multi launch rocket system and several rocket systems passing a town which fell last week, heading into ukranian territory. this is the main road from mariupol to the russian border. we were stopped by a professional group of fighters with three battle tanks at the check point, one giving instructions how to wrist watch set to a russian time zone. we have seen no military installation before getting to the russian border. now we are told we are the travel back down the road, it is
too dangerous. it was clear what it was. this is an assault on a town halfway back to mariupol. and defenses looking outgunned. this unit advanced and came under fire, losing an armour personnel carry, they have no doubt who they are fighting. >> it's the regular russian army. most of them are regular soldiers. >> vladimir putin and petro porashenko are talking about a ceasefire, and you are hit by artillery. what do you feel. >> earn can see what vladimir putin says and does. >> i asked about the unseen defenses that the politician talks of. "we haven't seen them either." the man in the blue suit is the
kiev-backed governor in kiev, now in mariupol. >> translation: i am sure with tanks and machine guns, they don't plan on peaceful negotiations. surely they want to seize this area. >> reporter: both sides are talking about a ceasefire. the question is whether by friday afternoon, mariupol - whether it will be in ukranian hands or have succumbed where a poster of the ukrainian poster looks like a relic and the soviet era is twitching back to life. the u.s. justice department launched a civil rights investigation into the ferguson, missouri police department. the probe will con sen trait on deadly force and discriminatory practices, prompted by the shooting of black teenager michael brown. attorney general eric holder said police have to look at
reforming practicing in st louis county. >> i want to be clear. this is not a stop gap or short term solution, it's a long-term strategy. >> reporter: it's been nearly a month since the fatal shooting of unarmed black shooter michael brown set off a week of protests. exposed - a community grappling with racial divide and a deep-seated distrust of a police department that is almost all white, leading the department to open an investigation into the shooting. it will look at the ferguson police department. >> in ferguson, the group will analyse deadly force, stop, searchs and arrest and examine the treatment of individuals detained at ferguson's gaol. and to discriminatory techniques, and tactics brought to life. >> in 1984, the d.o.j. was given
authority to investigate state and local law enforcement agencies for unconstitutional patterns or practices of conduct. >> that could include getting rid of police officers engaging in unconstitutional conduct. it could involve in getting rid of, discharge, terminating supervising personnel turning a blind eye. the remedy can go from the bottom to the top. >> two years ago the d.o.j. launched a civil rights investigation into the death of florida teen trayvon martin. george zimmerman shot the unarmed teen to death but was acquitted. police in in albuquerque has been under investigation because of dozens of fatal shootings, like the death of a homeless man. a history of police brutality and deadly force has been
documented. reforms are being overseen now in albuquerque. >> this man's expertise is in constitutional law and civil rights violations. >> these are explosive situations - politically, emotionally. it could take years or months. >> reporter: 20 investigations have been launched in the last five weeks. the city of ferguson says in a statement: while the unrest on ferguson's streets is obvious, residents say the underlying anger and frustration will not be quelled unless real moves are made. >> all week long we have brought you stories from brooks county, texas, apt the center of -- at the center of america's border crisis. it's 70 miles north of mexico, in a remote part of texas.
400 migrants have been found dead there since 2009, trying to avoid border patrol agents. five times as many people walked into the desert and were never seen again. brooks country employs a few officials. relatives of the missing rely on unlikely volunteers to search for their loved ones. heidi zhou-castro has the story. >> reporter: the phone has rung every morning or the past eke. on the line a guatemalan father whose son disappeared months ago. he had been making his way to minnesota, to reunite with a father he had not seep for 10 -- seen for 10 years. >> he's sad, anguished by the disappearance of his son. border patrol is swamped at the busiest checkpoint in the country. the sheriff's office has four
deputies. that leaves the south texas human rights center with two volunteers as the last beacon of hope for the families. eddy, a retired union leader, opened the center in november. and a catholic nun, pam, arrived three weeks to help, she is from ohio. >> i'm scanning using google earth, which i have not used in a long time. >> she is trying to find where the boy disappeared. they have zero training, but they have drive and informed guesswork. >> maybe we go to this road, whatever it is. >> another migrant told the father that the boy fainted from exhaustion, and he was left under a tree, close to hills and a water source. that was a month although. in 100 degree heat with no food or water, there's no chance of survival. they are searching now for a body. >> how far away from the road do
you think it is. >> 1.8 miles. >> from the same road we were on? >> yes. >> reporter: we hit the road to retrace the last-known stones. hoelio walked 20 miles in the desert and must have been relieved to see a smugglers car on the highway. >> he thought he was saved and ready to finish the last leg and then the car goes - splutters out. before you know it he's on foot. >> reporter: a police officer saw the migrants and chased. julio ran for an hour, collapsing in the squad. >> do you think there's water over here? that maybe attracted him? >> reporter: it's logical a desperate person may go this way. we find no body. >> careful where you step, sister. >> what am i looking for, eddy? >> just be careful where you step, and keep your sense of
smell... >> your chances are like winning the lottery, because the lapped is so vast. >> minutes later we spot another place that seems to fit a description. a popped, a hill, a tree. here on the ground, a disguarded jacket. if you follow me, this could be a breakthrough. a shallow grave. >> there's bones buried here. there's a lot of bones buried here. a closer look reveals it is cattle. another day without answers is another day of torment for julio's father. >> if you were dead, your parents and hs band would be looking for you, until the day of their death. we simply was to ease their burredens, their hearts, and make it right. >> of the 20 cases received this summer, two bodies have been found. they have never found anyone alive. a search is never called off. it comforts families to know
someone cares. >> he may have been strong enough to move. >> and he's looking. >> be sure to join us tomorrow for a one hour special, five days along the border, the impact, the flood of undocumented minors has had on ordinary americans and a search for a solution of the crisis, tomorrow at 8:00 and 11:00pm eastern. hurricane norbet is making its way up the coast, bearing down along the baja peninsula of calve are and expected to affect the west. kevin corriveau, meteorologist, is tracking it for us. >> we are watching the storm, it's a category 1. these areas have experienced the flooding from the storm. this storm is already producing a bit of rain along the western coast of the mexico, and we had clouds now pushing into the south-western part of the united states, and that is what we'll
be interested in seeing what happened. as you notice, the storm moves to the north, becomes a depression, and makes a turn to the north, and towards the californian coast. look at what we call spaghetti plots - the forecast models putting together the track of the storm. when you look up here later on, what is left of the storm makes a turn towards california. that is what we are concerned about in terms of flooding across the region. >> friday looks like heavy rain. saturday, same thing. on sunday, we need to get the heavy rain pushing into california. what this means is we are going to see flash flooding. remember, this area is in a drought. all the rain will not soak in, causing a lot of flooding. back to you. ahead this hour - the growing movement for $15 an hour. fast food workers with more
comedy legend joan rivers is being remembered. daughter melissa says she died peacefully surrounded by family. rivers was a pioneer in the world of female economy. her daughter said she spent most of her life making people laugh, her greatest joy. >> reporter: she was irreverent. >> squishing her boobs flatting than an episode... >> irrepressible. >> i'm going naked. >> and irreplaceable. >> on the statement i feel i'm every woman striking out. it's been me. >> reporter: the queen of smalling quip. able to skewer a subject with a
retort. >> her legs gone on, like gwyneth paltrow when someone asks her about kale. >> reporter: she turned her background into a comedy bonanza called joan rivers. she got a big break on "the together show", with johnny carson. can we talk, she was a tramp. >> performances that catapulted her to success, as she told current "tonight show" host jimmy falloon. >> second night i was on, i had been working eight years in greenwich village, and he said, god bless him, you are going to be a star. >> the creation of her show cost her dear lip. johnny carson never spoke to her. her show was a flop, she took home an emmy as a day-time host covering the awards with daughter melissa.
and sniping at stars "fashion police." >> stacy was so exited. that morning her agent called her up saying george picked her up for another 13 weeks. >> rivers used her target for her barbs. >> i saw what was going under the chip a -- chin and don't wat the president to pardon me at thanksgivings. >> she had medical scarce before, and used her jokes to keep up her spirits. joan rivers was 81. amanda seals is a comedian and culture critic inspired by joan rivers. what was it about joan rivers that inspired you? >> for all female comedians, and women in general. june is fearless, and she's not
saying the most appropriate things. the fact that she was willing and able to have intellectual comedy and be brash out it taking away from her filmin inty is inspiring. >> a lot have said she had an impeccable sense of timing. >> it was comity, down home skill set that not a lot of commission have. there was the old guard. joan ahead of that. there's a timing, impeckibility that we are trying to get to, and joan seemed to always have. >> did you have a favourite joke, line, that joan did. >> so here is the thing. she said a yoke about josh mcroberts -- joke about michelle obama that a lot thought was
race. >>. she was funny, she said michelle obama has the style of jackie onas sis and we should call her black-e-o. you don't want to laugh, you are a white guy. but it's funny and if it's funny, it trumps pcness. >> was there a divide between the comedian world and what the public thought was appropriate, that maybe comedians were more willing to give her a break. >> it's the case. comics are weird and off and have to look at things to finds the nuances. sometimes we have a different sense of what is appropriate than, you know, most people. with joan, she never cared. you had to genuinely give it up for that. what i loved about june was she pushed an envelope on the fact that for a lot of women there's an ex-pieration date. that your level si is mirrored
by your aim or how your breasts went out the window. joan made it, no, i'll work until i pass. that's inspiring for a lot of us. >> she was an amazing business woman. that may be totally unappreciated. is that part of the inspiration, not that she had the ability to bring down the house, but to profit from it. >> incredibly. a lot of artists love to be "i'm an artist i don't know how to do the business savvy", for a lot of the female artists, you want to be in charge of your work. joan created a whole lot of new things. there's a lot of shows - i have a show where we do that. it's because joan created the genre, thank you, joan. >> i didn't realise when she did it that she was making fun, i thought it was a red carpet.
>> she made the red carpet matter. the brods have to show up looking right, because of joan. >> is there a part of your sort of career that you think follow's joans, if you had to make a connection. >> completeliment the connection is that i feel like as a female comic i want to talk about more than relationships and "i'm pretty", and you feel that's the only box you can be in. joan kicked the walls out of that box, and created a space for you to talk about whatever you want, poll tisks, relationships or racism. she talked about israel the last time we subpoenaing to her. you can talk about anything, and it doesn't mean you are trying to be masculine. amanda seals, a pretty good comedian in your own right: thank you. next - some dangerous inmates are on the run after
"eva bee's jamboree." i'm david shuster. coming back, common core - how one teacher is trying to make learning easier with music. >> another uprising at a detention center in nashville, days after others escaped. the facilities houses some of tennessee's dangerous team-mates. and a growing campaign war chest of elizabeth warren. possibly for a potential match up with hillary clinton. >> school standards known as common core are supposed to be learning goals. the main thing it seems to have succeeded at is dividing people over whether it's a good idea. paul brennan is here with the debate.
>> that's right, once upon a time common core was a little known educational initiative designed to prevent students from falling behind. no one could argue with that. well, it seems just about everybody - parents, teachers, liberals and republicans - have fighting words about common core. >> reporter: it could be the most unlikely viral video of all time, a grainy recording of a public meeting with maryland education officials in a baltimore suburb. when talk turned to common core, things got heated and an angry parent was shown the door by security. >> don't stand for this. you have questions. >> the video has been viewed more than a million times since last september, as the fight over common core intensified. it lays out maths and reading standard for each grade and is up to states and districts to
figure out how to get students to meet them. the obama administration offered incentives when it was rolled out in 2010. almost every state signed on with support from the republican governors. many are trying to opt out. louisiana republican governor and possible presidential candidate bobby jingle is a former fan, but is suing to scrap it. he calls it a case of overreach. governments didn't create the standards, local and state officials did. >> the federal government would like to assert control of our education system and rush one size fit all standards raising concerns. we are alarmed about choice and control over curriculum taken away from parents. >> jinnedel is not alone. rand paul and ted cruz have spoken out against common core. on the ordinary side are
supporters like governor chris christie, and former florida governor jed bush. the standards force teachers to spend time teaching to the test, is the common complaint. >> the emphasis and the obvious use of testing is exhaustive and a terrible use of resources. >> the battle made for strange bedfellows. appearing on david letterman, the conservative comedian captured the feelings of many parents, who feel the tests are too high stress, too high stakes, and too confusing. >> then i look at the problems and it's like, you know, bill has three goldfish, he buys two more, how many dogs live in london. >> joking aside, the controversy over common core and testing prompted the obama administration to announce that states can delay using the test results to evaluate teachings.
critics insist scores shouldn't be tied to personnel decisions. >> what about the report that common core could cause the dropout rate to double. >> this is getting a lot of attention. it's from last year, from the nonprofit kahn eggie corporation. in a nutshell it says without a brode overhaul. the education system, more learning time, fewer students will be able to meet the common core standards, and the high school drop out rate could jump from 15 to 30% by 2020. critics say it's one study, but it puts the spotlight on unintended consequences of too much reform, too fast. >> new york based educator is a professor of maths, science and technology at columbia
universi university. well intentioned but common core - is it working? >> it worked in its interngs. it worked in -- intention. it worked in garnering attention to education, making the public feel like something has to be done. in the implementation and roll out, absolutely not. they are giving up the stage and local communities saying students need to learn the following by the end of the year, it's up to you to figure out what is the best process. >> it's a misconception that it's left to the states. the actuality is that in schools, a common core narrative is pushed to everyone in the school, and the teachers has to follow the narrative. whether or not it's implicit or explicit. it's something they have to follow. if they have to follow and will be judged. they'll follow it blindly, remove the opportunity for peace
and nuance later. this was a programme developed by educators, academics, college professors, high school teachers with the idea of preparing for students so that when they go to a place like columbia, they can succeed. >> the main goal was common core was supposed to give folks college and career readiness. what does not make sense is what college and which careers. that's variety of needs. when we say college and career, it's a broadening, a broad idea that it's virtually to give credence to the invisible examples. >> what about if you are at columbia, and you are trying to figure out which students are an property match for an ivy league institution, how do you evaluate them? >> the idea is you don't need common standards, you need effective common instruction that meets the needs of students in your classroom.
an approach to teaching on learning focussing on the nuance needs of students will look different. it doesn't mean we eradicate reggour or ask provocative questions, but the method through which we give them that information has to be different for different students. >> is that because of the demographics and the background of the united states. other countries have versions of common core that work well. >> one thing is the united states has different populations and groups. it's one thing. the other thing is we have known forever that the larger philosophy behind the common core never worked. to be honest, no child left behind or what came before that, so there's an education, secondary and elementary education act in 1965. that act, no child left behind, has the same grand narrative. which is everyone aspires and everywhere will get better.
none focussed on the one thing that is missing in urban education in united states. which is the best teachers teach to the needs of their students, maintain academic rigor, get them where they are, and move them in the trajectory towards higher education. >> how do you evaluate the teachers and students, even if there's parliamentary based teaching. >> you evaluate them on the results given to the students. how excited they are. whether or not they persist in school. we have to follow them behind k2-12. a lot of students were successful under the grand narrative, the story of common core, they are supposed to be career ready, they are likely to drop out. we need a more robust approach. we know that the methods we have don't work. >> as far as the methods you have with using hip hop to teach students, is there something
there that will transfer to common core 2.0, whatever the affirmative may be. >> people see my work as this guy wants kids to rap. the example is if kids are listening to hip hop. the most effective way to team them is through hip hop culture. it will be through their means. reachers like caro lee, and others, it may work, they say understand the reality of the youth, and use it as the anchor of the instruction. if it's hip-hop for youth in urban america, so be it. if it's different somewhere else, so be it. the work of the educator, the school system, any standard to meet the needs of young people, it is to do enough work and teach them appropriately. >> your students are lucky to have you. >> virgin's ex-governor bob mcdonald and his wife were convicted for corruption, fraud and bribery. the couple exchanged favors with
a vitamin executive for more than $165,000 in gifts and loans. mcdonald was considered a running mate for presidential candidate mitt romney in 2012. the decision today followed a 5-week trial. the couple will be sentenced in joint enterprise. they plan to appeal -- sentenced in january. they plan to appeal. there's a democrat building up a set of i.o.u.s for a 2015 presidential rod. it's not joe biden or hillary clinton. >> reporter: according to campaign finance reports, elizabeth warren, massachusetts senator, has raised more money than any other democrat except president obama. warren says she's trying to help her party keep control of the senate. >> it is critical right now that we focus on the 2014 elections. >> reporter: many democrats say warren is accumulating political i.o.u.s for a potential 2016
presidential campaign, and is in the middle of a high profile publicity tour. >> we have a washington now that works for anyone who can hire armies of lobbyists and lawyers. and it doesn't work for regular families. >> warren took her populous appeal to david letterman's show. >> america needs to be a place where everybody gets a fighting chance. >> whenever pressed about a presidential campaign, warren responds in the present tense. >> are there any circumstances under which you would consider running for president? >> i am not running for president. >> still, some progresses optimistically say warren is leaving wiggle room. they have launched a run liz, run movement. complete with campaign and song which has had 92,000 views on
youtube. with each passing day warren seems to stoke the fire, outflanging hillary clinton to the left on economic issues. she says the minimum wage should be raich to $20. something that some say could sink her in a general election. in foreign policy, she positioned to clinton's right. warren defended israel's controversial air strikes against hamas: it was music to the ears of some of the democratic party's powerful fund-raisers. >> all of this is making some of hillary clinton's observers nervous. some think of warren as hillary clinton's challenger. she may have more power if the
candidates she's helping this fall within in november. >> for the second time this week, teenagers tried to escape from a nashville detention center. riot police stopped them. monday night 30 teens escaped. six are still at large. more from jonathan martin. the chaos lasted for more than two hours wednesday night. 24 juveniles at the nashville detention center are seen running loose, some armed with rocks and metal rod, attacking security guards. state officials say it happened during a shift change. >> they can walk out of their rooms any time to the common area. they breached the door when they came out and got out. you don't have enough people. you have to bring in people from other areas. you sound an alarm, and they come into the unit. they were able to knock out the doors, because they did it the night before. >> police swarmed a ring around the fence, so no teens could
leave the property. it was a real concern, because 32 teenagers break out of their dorms during a shift change. the tennessee department of children's services runs the center and said the center is short about 13 staff members. >> there are vacancies, it is difficult for us to find people. we have not let up trying to find people. we cut back because you can't find people to work here. >> the detention center has a history of problems, with several instances of guards and staff members attacked. there are allegations of sexual assault by staff. in 2010 it was ranked 13th with reports of sexual abuse by staff. >> the make it better by having staff do good work. you make it better, making sure the kids are properly classified.
you make it sure that the kids get the services they need. if there's no single fix for this. >> the detention center staff have been criticise the for waiting nearly -- criticised for waiting nearly 90 minutes to call police on monday night. the department of children's services are promising to renew policies, and others are asking whether this facilities is the right place to house dangerous inmates. in cities across america, favt food workers took to the streets, ral ciing for -- rallying for higher wages, better health care dozens were arrested in chicago and new york. >> reporter: from new york to los angeles, and at least 150 cities in between. fast-food workers literally stopped traffic, dozens arrested, calling attention to their campaign for better wages and a union.
they are demanding $15 an hour, twice the federal minimum wage. this woman makes eight as a mcdonald's cashier, not enough to support her children. >> they should here us out and make exchanges and get a higher wage, and get the union, because i am sure their family is well taken care of. that's what we are trying to do, have our family taken care of. >> some argue that they can't afford an increase, forcing them to cut hours and raise prices. the national restaurant association said: mcdonald's and other fast food restaurants refused to sit with the unions, arguing that they don't set the wages, local franchise owners do. a ruling from the national labour relations board supports the workers point of view and has given fresh momentum to
their campaign. >> on monday, labor day in the united states, president obama expressed his support. all across the country there's a national movement. made you have fast food workers, organising to lift wages, they can provide for their families, there's no denying a simply truth, america deserves a raise. >> economists say there's growing evidence that wages are a barrier to economic growth, which hurts the economy. when you leave the people at the bottom out of economic growth, it create volatility, and leads to political instability undermining performance as well. >> many americans can relate to what fast food workers go to, as they watch rising profits and lagging wages nationally. >> our picture of the day is
earlier we told you about what is happening in the south-west. with norbet, we expect a lot of flooding from mexico to arizona, and new mexico and california. there's a southern boundary across the northern plains, it will bring a lot of rain to areas across the region, but will be changing the temperature for many people across the plains, the great lakes, and here across the north-east. let me show you the temperatures we expect to see on friday. minnesota, a high of 67 degrees. chicago 84.
dropping 14 degrees, continuing and here in new york, we'll go from 88 down to 77 degrees. that will be by the time we get to hopped, things will stablilize a little more. temperatures out here to the west will go back up. billings - you are seeing 62 degrees earlier. you'll go up to 83. down here to the south-west, we are seeing the temperatures moderate because of the heavy rain and clouds in the area. that's the weather. your news is coming up after
this. in one of the last interviews before his death, andrew madoff, son of bernie madoff was surprise the by the amount of positive reports: -- positive support: andrew madoff died on wednesday after a long battle with cancer. derek anderson and victor cuba check are the film-makers of "in god we trust", a film about bernie madoff. they join us now.
the bernie madoff story, you tell it through the secretary. start there, explain why? >> well, eleanor was bernie's secretary for 25 years. it was his second job. she was a single mum, worked as a bank teller. we met her after bernie's arrest. she didn't know anything and began to work with the fbi. we thought it was a unique perspective. >> did you wonder if she couldn't have known. >> before i met her, of course, that's the first question. everybody does thing that before they meet her. when you sit with her, spend a few minute, you get the feeling she didn't know, it's an ordinary common caught in extraordinary circumstances. >> what was it in putting this together that jumped out at you that wow, i can't believe this happened or that happened? >> that feeling with had, during the whole course of the movie.
it's so intricate and complex. everybody looks at the scalp of bernie madoff, thinking that he's the criminal, and that is that. there were so many people involved in the scam, all over the world - banks, politicians, all kinds of people. >> there's $65 billion in the united states, but the price of bernie madoff's ponzi scheme could rise exponentially if you count everything that a lot don't focus on. >> if you look at the popsy sche scheme -- ponzi scheme, there were billions lost, and there were gains this people thought they had made, but they hadn't, they were phantom gains. according to the fbi, it was $140 billion. >> i think 170. >> flowed through madoff since 1962, perhaps. >> and tied to the bank of austria, that a lot didn't
realise. >> yes, the biggest feeder fund, sonya cohen owned a bank. it was actually just a division of bank austria. she had 13 employees, all the back of house and accounting and compliance was done by bank austria, but bank austria conveniently claims they did not know anything, or that it was a scam. she has seen the film, and we discovered that that is really totally implausible. >> did a lot of people on wall street know what was going on and look the other way? >> i think a lot of high-level people who were smart in that business knew that something was up for years. there were a lot of important smart vestors not in the mad of securities portfolio. they smelt something off and didn't know what it was. that being said tlsks a lot of -- there was a lot of bright
and terribly wealthy people caught in it. a lot of people thought he pioneered the business, he founded the nasdaq, everything was electronic, perhaps they were running ahead of the trade or have a loophole and know how to make a little extra cash. people made up reasons, thinking wasn't kosher, but wasn't what it was, which was a scam. >> andrew madoff died this week because of cancer, another son committed suicide. are the sons sympathetic. >> they are. eleanor, bernie's secretary, watched them grow up as small children and end up - neither wanted to be in the business essentially, but he insisted they be there. she knew them as children and said she didn't believe they knew or were involved. they worked in the legitimate side of the business, the larger side of the business, the public face of madoff. the advisory business where the
crime happened had a handful of employees locked away. to date there are no criminal charges, nothing that proves that they knew. should they have known, probably. in my personal opinion, i don't think they did. >> is anything getting their money back, anyone that lost money? >> absolutely. the bankruptcy trusty has done a pretty stellar job, and investors are getting at a minimum $0.50 on the dollar, that will likely be made whole. he has been collecting dollars from everyone, as you see - the big banks and everyone. >> was there something about bernie madoff himself that surprised you, because it had been - that had not been widely reported or covered? >> the madoffs seemed, in their private life, they were, according to eleanor, wonderful parents, supporting their kids and education, and were loving
and would say "i love you", and pinch their cheeks and they were warm in certain ways. they are human. >> i think that that is interesting too, eleanor is a - a reason she was shocked was the warmth, eleanor grew up in an abusive home so modelled the way to parent on the way bernie and ruth treated their children. bernie was a socio path, none of that was real. he put his children in the line of fire to deflect from him what he was doing. no one or nothing was sacred to bernie. thank you both so much. we appreciate you coming on. a programming note to our viewers. you can see in "god we trust" in select theatres. finally, comedian, friends and fans mourn the loss of joan
rivers. we end with a tribute out of los angeles, her name gracing the marquee at the laugh factory, her great wit and tongue making audiences laugh and sometimes cringe. i don't know rivers was 81. i'm david shuster, "america tonight" is next. you can get the latest news by going to aljazeera.com. >> it's a clear violation of their human rights. >> we have strongly urged the government to release those journalists. >> journalism is not a crime.
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