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right now... >> from oscar winning director alex gibney, a ground breaking look at the real issues facing american teens on, the edge of eighteen only on aljazeera america ukraine's president says he has reached a ceasefire announcement of a preliminary ceasefire as fighting continues in eastern ukraine. ♪ >> hello there, i'm laura kyle in doha, also on the program, nato says it is going to set up a special force to quickly deal with threats anywhere in the world. also kurdish and iraqi forces press forward in tikrit. plus -- >> i'm phil lavelle at the venice film festival, where there is a syrian wedding taking
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place. but it's not quite what it seems. find out why, shortly. ♪ the ukrainian government has announced a preliminary ceasefire with pro-russian rebels in the country's east. the ukrainian president has ordered his army to stop firing within an hour, but our reporter in ukraine says the fighting is still going on for now. let's check in with harry fawcett who joins us from mariupol. it is in about an hour that that's fire is supposed to take effect. so what is happening there now, harry? are you still seeing signs of fighting? >> reporter: we haven't seen any signs for the last half hour or 40 minutes, apart from one crack of small arms fire. but just about an hour ago there was an extremely heavy volume of
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artillery, and rockets coming into our position about 2 kilometers away. we think it might have been targeting a small infantry group that moved off in that direction. one to five howitzers we're told. and then they left. but we do have this news from all -- from both sides of the fighting now that they have signed the agreement for a ceasefire. we're waiting for a statement from the ukrainian president live on camera, but we have been sent what we believe is that statement in which he says the world wants peace, ukraine wants peace, including millions of citizens in the eastern ukrainian region where the conflict has been raging. he says the people's life is the highest value, and we have to do all possible and impossible results to end the bloodshed.
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>> what are citizens there saying? do they trust the ceasefire is actually going to take place? >> reporter: well, according to some of the fighters we have been speaking to here, there is not a great deal of trust that a ceasefire will prevent at least some isolated outbreaks. you have to remember these aren't two national armies facing each other, there are lots of disparate groups on each side. i think the civilians will want to see an end to this fighting, as poroshenko says in that statement. some of them even saying that they weren't too worried about which side was in control. they are more worried about the every day aspects of life. but the problem, i think -- the political problem that petro poroshenko has, if we agreed to a ceasefire, which i think he
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feels he has to because he has been losing this war so badly in recent days, in areas where the separatists have controlled so much of the region of luhansk and donetsk, then that is going to be deeply unpopular with a lot of the politicians and fighters that have been fighting on behalf of trying to regain what they see as integral ukrainian territory. >> all right. we'll leave it there. the ceasefire due to take effect in just under an hour's time. let's cross over live now to our diplomatic editor, james bayes. he is at the nato summit in whales, where we have been expecting the ukrainian president to come out for about a half an hour >> operator.
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>> reporter: yes, i have just come back from a huge crowd of journalists, just run back here to talk to you, left some of my al jazeera colleagues to cover it. but this shows the sensitivity, i think of the situation, that he is going to read the statement, get his message out, he is going to read it in ukrainian and again in english, but we'll being told he is not going to take any questions at all. that i think, shows the sensitivity of his position. he probably didn't want to sign this. certainly nato leaders are concerned about the situation. they no that russians have signed up to deals and commitments before and haven't kept them. and they are concerned about some sort of frozen conflict. because that would give moscow influence in ukraine. it would mean they could destabilize the situation and give themselves a hand in the east and maybe some leverage
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over kiev, so it causes some deep concern to nato leaders near. >> yeah, this ceasefire certainly taking all of the headlines at nato. but what else are we hearing from leaders in wales >> reporter: they have been talking about the situation in ukraine, and other flash points around the world, including with the islamic state in iraq and syria, and trying to realign nato, which has been fighting for over a decade now in afghanistan to a new way of working to deal with the fast-moving threats. my colleague jonah hull has been following all of the day's developments. >> reporter: the nato summit has been consumed with discussions about ukraine and russia's adventurism there. it was always pie in the sky to expect a direct military intervention, but many countries have turned to nato for a response, and this was it. >> today we agreed to create
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what i would call a spearhead within our response force. a very high readiness force able to deploy at very short notice. this spearhead will include several thousand land troops, ready to deploy within a few days. >> reporter: the decision rasmussen said sends a strong message both to nato members and would-be aggressors. >> nato protects all allies at all times, and sends a clear message to any potential aggressor should you even think of attacking one ally, you will be facing the whole alliance. >> reporter: the new spearhead force could in theory respond to other challenges, like the self declared islamic state in iraq and syria.
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mr. ares musen said nato stands ready to assist iraq if asked. there's really only one question that needs to be answered at this summit, can nato act meaningfully to deter further russian aggression in eastern europe. i spoke to the foreign minister of estonia. as one of the state's bordering russia, members of nato, do you now feel your security is assured? >> yes, because it's clear that collective defense principal is there, everyone knows it, and now there are some practical steps should increase this also psychological feeling. >> reporter: no further reason then to fear additional aggression by russia? >> no. but anyway, we should be careful
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and prepared. >> reporter: it is hoped that from this summit, billed as the most important since the end of the cold war, a new nato will emerge, better funded and more able to respond to turbulent times. and cross live now to peter sharpe who joins us from moscow. peter we're still waiting for poroshenko, we are hearing he is due to come out any moment, so i might have to interrupt you during our conversation. in the meantime let's get on to what we're hearing from russia there, what we're hearing from moscow in response to this statement from poroshenko, that a ceasefire will be announced in mariupol within the next hour. >> reporter: well, we're all waiting in moscow too, waiting for vladimir putin's response. after all he was the president that scribbled down seven points on a flight to mongolia, which
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he managed to sell to sworn enemies, the break away states, and the ukraine government in kiev. there were now 14 provisions in this protocol that were signed. they met for just an hour and 40 minutes before signing the paper. and it largely reviewed by political analysts that this was basically a fix. they knew what was happening. putin knew what was happening, and putin knew what the outcome was going to be. but it is going to be interesting to work out the detail. because the break away republics made it very, very clear they weren't going to sign up to the ceasefire, unless the ukrainian army totally moved out of eastern ukraine. and poroshenko himself said he wasn't prepared to sign it, unless the russian troops pulled back from the border. well obviously russia is not
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going to do that. so who gave up what to make this ceasefire work and will it work that is yet to remain to be seen. >> yeah, absolutely. and we will know in about 50 minute's time when it's supposed to come into effect. this is all based, isn't it peter, on the seven-point plan that putin put forward a few days ago. we are seeing some details of that plan, and been talking about them. remind us what those points involve. >> reporter: well, a cessation of offensive action from both sides. the removal of artillery units from both sides that no longer threaten the civilian population. ban on combat aircraft flying over the area. humanitarian corridors. brigades going in to start building. reconstruction. that's basically most of the points that putin came up with. and i can really see the headlines tomorrow in moscow.
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this will be a headline that says vladimir putin brokers a ceasefire agreement. but brokering a ceasefire agreement in a count think he denies having any part of, any interest in, and certainly not supplying weapons and troops, but it has done the trick, because now the eu is saying it is going to hold off on sanctions from anything to 72 hours to a week to see if the ceasefire holds. >> this will be a temporary hold obviously because the details will be much more complicated, but the relations with nato have really taken a downturn. we have seen the rhetoric on both sides be pretty fiery. >> that's right. i mean, the one response we had this afternoon is from the russian defense ministry that says basically that nato's plans to expand in eastern europe were
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drawn up long ago, and ukraine just provides a reason for them to do it. also there will be huge concern about ukraine's plans to carry out reforms that would enable it possibly to apply for nato membership. this is totally unacceptable to russia. a ukraine that is a member of nato, sitting on its western border would be regarded by the kremlin as a national security threat. nothing less than that. so we have got a long way to go on this. russia is not going to be happy with the overtures made by ukraine, mutual overtures made by ukraine and -- and the -- and nato. >> as we're seeing on our screens, peter the live shot from newport in whales. journalists gathered waiting for the ukrainian president to come out and give this statement.
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our correspondent james bayes was saying we're expecting him to give it in ukrainian and english. but not take any questions from journalists. this has been a very sensitive moment. and perhaps poroshenko was not too keen to sign this ceasefire deal in the first place. what are you feeling from there in moscow? >> i think he was running out of choices quite honestly. the russian -- and let's be honest about this -- the russian penetration of eastern ukraine sent the ukrainian army on the back foot completely. they have been losing ground for nearly ten days now. this war was looking increasingly unwinnable for kiev. and moscow is going to be putting a lot of pressure on both sides, really, you know, because the sanctions are staring them in the face, and this would be something that russia really would want to see
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achieved. >> peter you have just come back from the border, let's talk a little bit about the actual situation on the ground. because we must remember this fighting has killed an awful lot of people and affected an awful lot of people's lives, some 1 million people have been displaced. what is the situation like for the residents of this region, where this fighting has been going on for quite a few months now? >> that's right. five months. well, i was at a place called russia donetsk, which is inside russian. it's very close to the border. it has been shelled a couple of times. only the day before yesterday it came under fire, and i wanted to know what the people thought about any plans for a formal military incursion by russian forces in to ukraine to basically win the war and stop the fighting. and i was very surprised only 5%
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of people in the country in a recent poll were in favor of that policy, and on the border, i thought perhaps they would be, but they weren't. i couldn't find anyone who thought this was a good idea. one man said it's a civil war between the rebels and ukraine. it has got nothing to do with us, and a full scale invasion of eastern ukraine would be possibly the start of a third world war. there was no real interest in that sort of strategy from the people down there. they just want to see it stopped as soon as possible. >> okay. peter it seems that poroshenko's appearance is not going to play in our favor. we'll cross back to new part when we see him emerge. but nato has also been talking about other issues, and the u.n.
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secretary general has been speaking about his strategy. >> there are two tracks of work here. one is a track pursued by a number of individual allies that are determined to take the necessary steps to help iraq to stop the advance of the terrorist organization, islamic state, and i warmly welcome that. i think the international community has an obligation to do all it can to stop this dangerous terrorist organization. the other track is the nato track, and we have decided that if we receive a request from the iraqi government, we are ready to consider a defense
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capacity-building mission in iraq. >> well, jane is in the iraqi capitol, bagdad. she sent us this update. >> reporter: iraq's new government is expected to welcome an offer by nato for more help in the fight against the islamic state group. in that new government is still taking shape. a few days from now is the deadline for a new cabinet. but officials have indicated that they will welcome any assistance short of boots on the ground. and no one is offering to send combat troops, and that offer would likely be rejected if it came. but what iraqi government and kurdish officials say they do want are transfers of arms, heavy weapons, and iraqi officials would certainly welcome training and coordination as well as surveillance and intelligence, all of those things to help beat back islamic state fighters.
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the iraqi military is waging fierce battle on the outskirts of tikrit, saadam hussein's hometown. and as the troops withdraw, they are finding more evidence of mass graves. the latest discovered just today. it was in a farming community, liberated from islamic state fighters on monday, and recently local people have been finding and today managed to uncover a grave on the side of the road with up to 30 bodies there, believed to be truck drivers stopped at an islamic state check .3 months ago and then killed at point-blank range. somali's leader has confirmed that the leader of al-shabab was one of six killed
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in a u.s. drone strike. al-shabab has yet to give comment. a new report by the united nations children's agency has revealed some startling figures. unicef says 95,000 people below the age of 20 were murdered in 2012. that makes up around 20% of all homicides globally. the report also noted a third of all students between the ages of 13 and 15 regularly facing bullying in school. and 120 million girls below the age of 20 have been forced to sex in 2012. that's one in every ten girls worldwide. of those child abuse cases, africa came out as by far the worst continent. the democratic republic of congo topped the list with 10% of adolescent girls forced in sex last year.
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in uganda 9% were victim ieized. the figures were just as startling in zambia and cameroon, where sexual abuse is common in the lives of underage girls. james elder works for unicef in eastern and southern africa, he says the problem across the continent goes back to gender roles. >> it reveals that there are attitudes across the world that unfortunately perpetuate and justify violence. so no matter how much we are close to this in communities, the enormity of the numbers would shock anyone. this goes back to gender roles and pet rearcall societies in this part of the world and many other parts of the world. it goes to women who are more accepting of violence towards
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girls. we need more support and this idea of looking at gender roles and relationships and working very closely with communities. and also to reinforce the simple fact that an abused child will become a child who historically will be less likely to get a job, less likely to be a functional member of your society, less likely to be a good parent, and a purveying -- be someone who then has violence in their own relationship. so there are so many good arguments in practice and principal as to why societies starting with moms and dads really need to eradicate and protect the most vulnerable, girls. >> and we're still waiting for ukraine's president to come out and address journalists waiting there in newport in whales outside of the nato summit. he is due to give a statement, announcing a ceasefire in
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eastern ukraine in about 40 minutes time. we'll be crossing for that when he comes out. now india's highest court has ordered a review of the cases of hundreds of thousands of prisoners languishes in overcrowded prisons without trial. they have all been in custody for years, awaiting trial in india's notoriously slow justice system. the landmark ruling orders judicial officers to uphold an existing but long-ignored law. doing so could give as many as 250,000 people their freedom. to qualify they must have served at least half of the maximum sentence they would have received if guilty. >> more than half of the prisoners have not even had their trial or getting over, so i think it's something very
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welcome and in [ inaudible ] with the human rights agenda. five minors trapped in a bosnian coal mine are thought to be dead. officials say a small earthquake sparked a gas explosion in central bosnia. the explosion lead to the collapse of two of the mine's tunnels. 34 minors were trapped overnight. rescue workers say they could not reach the remaining minors. now we're going to cross back to new part in whales, not to poroshenko, but to the secretary general who is giving his second press conference on this, the final day of the summit. >> -- freedom, democracy, and the rule of law. i wish you every success once you take on this challenging role on the 1st of october. >> thank you so much. thank you for the kind introduction. it is really a great honor to be
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elected as the next secretary general of nato. this unique alliance. and i will do my utmost to live up to that honor. and to follow the great example, which you have set over the past five years. because you have shown strong leadership over the alliance, and you have developed the alliance into an even more capable organization, providing security, providing stability, and also building the bonds between europe and the united states, canada, the trans-atlantic bonds. so we are all grateful for that and thank you for the leadership you have shown for so many years in nato. as we all know, nato is not just a security alliance. it is family of values that defends almost 1 billion
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citizens of our allied countries, and we must continue to stand up for those values, and this summit has provided an important platform for the future. we need to invest politically and financially into the alliance. and i look forward to taking up the post on the first of october, and i look forward to working with all 28 allies, to keep our alliance strong into the future. thank you so much and looking forward to work together with all of you after the first of october.
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>> in the past 24 hours we have taken historic measures. we have adopted a readiness action plan. we have agreed ways to improvement our military capabilities, and improved our cooperation with partners, but when it comes to security, you get what you pay for and it doesn't come on the cheek. 24 years ago, nato leaders met in london. their reason was a europe, whole, free, and at peace. and over the last quarter of a century, we have worked hard to make that a reality. but now it is in danger. russia's illegal annexation of crimea, and continued aggressive actions elsewhere in ukraine, as well as the spread of violence
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and extremism in north africa and the middle east affect security to nato's east and south. in this dangerous world, we recognize that we need to invest additional effort and money. so today, the alliance made a pledge on defense investment. we agree to reverse the trend of declining defense budgets, and raise them over the coming decade. we will direct our defense budgets as efficiently and effectively as possible, and aim to move towards the nato guideline of spending 2% across domestic product on defense and with a view to meeting nato
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capability priorities. we will review our progress every year and it will remain on the agenda of future nato summits and meetings of defense ministers. this is not an easy task. and there is much work to do. but the direction of travel is clear and the security of our countries and citizens is too important for us to cut corners or to cut still more funds and without security, we can have no transparency. today's decision will further strengthen the trans-atlantic bond, enhance the security of
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all allies, and ensure a more fair -- we're going to leave him speaking inside the nato summit to come outside of the conference there in whales. participate poroshenko has now come out to make a statement. >> for the implementation of my peace plan. in this protocol there is 12 tactical steps for established peace and stability in part of the donetsk and luhansk region ukraine. as we said, this is the key issue now, the basis for the
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arriving at a peaceful solution of the crisis on the east of ukraine. and based on the -- on this agreement -- on this protocol, i give an order to chief of my military to declare a ceasefire in a half an hour's time, at 6:00, ukrainian time, 4:00 london time. now it is very important that this ceasefire lasts, and during this ceasefire, we continue the political dialogue that can bring the peace and stability to the region. [ inaudible ] information this is also the road map with a practical date when every single
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point from the 12 mentioned in the protocol should be undertaken. we expect in the very near future, release of hostages most probably should happen tomorrow, and we are ready to provide significant steps, including the [ inaudible ] of power, including the [ inaudible ] in certain districts of donetsk and luhansk region for their economic freedom guaranteed their right to use any languages on these territories, and defend the culture of tradition, including the amnesty so everything, which is mentioned in my peace plan. i can mention that today i'm very satisfied with the results of the summit, and i think this is very important that this ceasefire happened during the
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summit here in whales. i can also confirm that this ceasefire is based on the agreements which were reached during my phone conversation with the russian president putin, and that's why i think that this is very important; that the stability, the effect of this ceasefire should -- should [ inaudible ] is now the -- our common responsibility. i can assure you from the ukrainian side, we really do our best to keep peace and stability in eastern part of ukraine, because this is their very important challenge, not only for ukraine, not only for the region, for the whole world about the security. i think this is absolutely unacceptable what happened before in the 21st century, and
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i really hope that now peace will prevail. once again, i want to say this process is based on my peace plan, based on the territorial integrity, and independence of my country -- [overlapping speakers] and that was ukrainian president speaking there to journalists outside of the nato summit in whales. we're going to bring in our correspondent james bayes -- our diplomatic editor, i beg your pardon. the thing that really struck me from what poroshenko was saying was his repetition that this was his peace plan, his 12-point proposal that was going to be put into place in about a half hour from now. his peace plan, not putins. well, i think he was trying to
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make the best case he could. and it's whether the plan will stick. and nato officials from nato countries aren't at all optimistic, because you look at the pattern of recent months and some of the comments that have come from moscow, for example, we have no intention to annex crimea, and days later taking hold of crimea and making it part of russia. there is not a lot of trust among nato. and that's why i think you have seen some reasonably tough language, even while this ceasefire has been negotiated coming from nato leaders, but i think it's also pretty clear that although they talk about supporting him, they are not prepared to go to war for his country. they are not prepared to fight the russians over ukraine. that's been clear, i think for very many months now. and most of the effort has been
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under deterrence of moscow, getting anywhere near the other members. one nato member who is -- who is border with moscow, is norway, a long-term nato member, and we heard early on that that news conference from the new secretary general of nato, takes his office on the first of october, he is the man that is will now lead nato at this very, very time. interest he is the twice prime minister of norway, and when he was prime minister of norway was known to have extremely good relations with president putin. >> what have we been hearing about nato countries about how willing they are to get involved. what other -- what other ways can they get involved?
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>> well, they can talk tough, and they can come up with strong measures to protect nato members, and go on exercises and rotation in eastern europe, but they are not willing to put troops on the ground it's there in case russia was to do anything with regard to any of the nato allies who are near russia. the other thing we have been hearing is about nato's funding and defensing in general, because some say it's wrong that the u.s. pays so much of nato's
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budget number one. and there has now been a commit in the last half hour not to cut the budget anymore. and announcement of increase in spending. >> yeah, as i was talking with peter earlier, we have got this ceasefire agreement which is in the short-term good news. but nato's relationship with russia has taken a massive battering over all of this. >> yes, we used to have nato summits which took place, where russia was actually here. they used to have the nato
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russian council. inwent to afghanistan for more than a decade. now the afghanistan mission has ended. and about a year ago, if you asked me, i would say there was a very uncertain future for nato. well it seems that its role has reverted to its own original role. >> i'm going to ring mind viewers that we just heard from ukrainian president speaking outside the venue of that summit. he addressed journalists who were gathered there and gave this following statement about a ceasefire deal. >> as you already know, it was a
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sign -- [ inaudible ] >> reporter: get the mic out of the way. >> hey, the president is speaking. >> ladies and gentlemen, as you already know, the [ inaudible ] signed the [ inaudible ] in a try lateral contact group for the implementation of my peace plan. in this protocol, there is 12 practical steps for established peace and stability in part of the donetsk and luhansk region of ukraine. with respect of the sovereignty, territorial integrity, and independence of ukraine as we said, this is the key issue now. the basis for finding a peaceful solution to the crisis on the east of ukraine. and based on the -- on this
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agreement, on this protocol, i gave an order to chief of my military, to declare a ceasefire in an half an hour time, at 6:00 ukrainian time, 4:00 london time. now it is very important that this ceasefire lastst long, and during this ceasefire we continue the political dialogue to bring the peace and stability [ inaudible ]. i will not [ inaudible ] the results of the road map with a practical date when every single point from the 12 mentioned in the protocol should be indicated. we expect in the very near future, to release the hostages,
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most probably should happen tomorrow. and we are ready to provide the significant steps, including the dis[ inaudible ] of power, including the specialalty in certain districts in the donetsk and donetsk and luhansk region, guaranteed their right to use any languages on this territory, and defend the culture and tradition, including the amnesty, so everything which is mentioned in my peace plan. i can mention that today i'm very satisfied with the results of the summit, and i think this is very symbolic that this ceasefire happened during the summit here in whales. i can also confirm that this ceasefire is based on the
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agreements which were reached during my phone conversation with the russian president putin, and that's why i think that this is very important; that the stability, the fact that this ceasefire should lasting long, is now indeed our common responsibility. i can assure that from ukrainian's side we really do our best to keep peace and stability in eastern part of ukraine, because this is a very important challenge, not only for ukraine, not only for the region, for the whole world. i think this is absolutely unacceptable what happened before in the 21st century. and i really hope that now peace process will be launched. once again, i want to stress that this process is based on my peace plan, based on the
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territory integrity, sovereignty and independence of my country. [overlapping speakers] >> president poroshenko there, we're hearing again the statement that he made just a few moments ago, about 20 minutes ago at nato, talking about the peace plan for eastern ukraine. let's cross over to our correspondent in eastern ukraine at mariupol, harry fawcett, harry he really stressed that this plan was the basis for a peaceful solution there for areas in eastern ukraine. but are you seeing any signs of things quieting down, some 15 minutes before the ceasefire is due to take effect? >> reporter: yes, we are. the last hour, hour and a half it has much quieter here. throughout the day, if this was going to be the ceasefire day, there was going to be no winding
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down. there was heavy bombardment to the north and south of this area. and we have heard from the local officials. they say three civilian casualties in some of these areas, no reports yet on the -- the level of military casualties. a couple of hours ago we were reporting live, and some pretty heavy bombardment came into position about 2 kilometers away. three separate volleys of rockets that we believe were targeting an infantry position near here. but it does seem for now, that ukrainian forces and the militias aligned to the ukrainian forces are pulling back and preparing for this ceasefire. >> yeah, harry but there were some terms of course contacted to the ceasefire, and one appears that ukrainian troops pull back -- pull out from these
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areas. how likely are they -- how willing are they to do that? >> reporter: well, i think this is one of the key issues. it depends. it depends which particular groups of forces you are talking about. of course, the regular ukrainian army, whatever individual soldiers might think, they would be expected to follow the orders of their government, but it's not just the regular ukrainian army that are fighting on behalf of kiev or in the cause of reclaiming the area that they say have been taken by russian invaders. there is the far right political grouping and we spoke to one of their fighters on friday, and he was saying that any ceasefire that froze the situation as it is now with the dpr rebels in charge of places like donetsk and luhansk were simply not acceptable to him and his
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comrades. obviously that is talk. it doesn't necessarily mean that they will wish to continue fighting. but it does show that president poroshenko has a difficult task on his hands to try to satisfy his willingness and means to bring a close to the kind of bloodshed, and also satisfy the political objectives of other politicians in ukraine and some of the fighting groups on his behalf. >> harry many thanks for that. we'll be coming back to you at the top of the hour, when the ceasefire is due to take effect. let's cross over to peter sharpe who joins us from moscow. we finally heard from poroshenko, and he said pretty much what we expected. the peace plan is to be introduced in the next 15 minutes. and what struck me is that he was very keen to emphasize that
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it was his peace plan, not putins. how do you think that is going to go down in moscow? >> well, we have now had a statement from president putin, issued through his press secretary. and we also takes a bit of credit. listen to this, he says the russian presidential office welcomes to the signing of a protocol in minsk based on the outcomes of contact groups consultations dealing with the implementation of president putin and president poroshenko initiatives. moscow hopes all areas will be observed by all parties. so a little bit of credit there from the russian president. >> yeah, i suppose that is to be expected. both sides are [ inaudible ]. what do we know about the points
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of this plan? and the terms, the conditions, of this ceasefire? >> well, we know a lot about putin's plan, because he released this seven-point plan after he arrived in mongolia. and it's pretty comprehensive, but takes a big jump in credibility to think it's going to hold. you know, this has gone on for a long time now. basically it's ceasing military operations -- that's the ceasefire. it's the removal of artillery units around towns. a prisoner exchanges. a ban on combat flights, and the establishment of repair brigades to start rebuilding the infrastructure. but it's very interesting because this morning on friday,
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we heard from the leaders of the breakaway republics, and they stressed that they were not prepared to sign any ceasefire unless the ukrainian army pulled out completely from eastern ukraine. at the time they were saying that, president poroshenko was saying, look, i'm not going to sign any ceasefire unless russia removes its troops from along the ukraine border. nato is saying they have about 30,000 troops on the russian side of the ukraine border. now what has happened in the meantime? did both of those demands just get junked? i mean there is a feeling that putin knew this was going to sell, and he knew it was going to sail through. he was openly optimistic, and on thursday his foreign minister sergei lavrov was also cheer leading for the kremlin on the makeup of the plan that putin had put together. so, you know, you take your choice, really. >> yeah, it certainly has taken
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the headlines today especially, but let's not forget the wider picture here. we have still got this wider battle going on between nato and moscow. how is russia reacting to the broader moves that nato leaders have announced. specifically the spearhead rapid reaction force? >> they haven't reacted to that yet. what they have reacted to is basically the talk of nato building up its so-called basis in eastern europe. and the foreign ministry in a statement a few minutes ago said look this plan for nato to build up its bases in eastern europe was made many many many years ago, and it is now using the situation and the crisis in ukraine as an excuse to go ahead with this planned expansion in the east. russia will be very, very unhappy about poroshenko talking about bringing in reforms that
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would make membership of nato come about. they are saying basically nato under the umbrella of a member of nato is simply a national security. and i don't think they will ever accept that. >> it has gone some way towards appeasing a number of eu leaders hasn't it? the sanctions seem to have been temporarily postponed. that is quite a relief for russia? >> i think it will. it will certainly will welcomed. they basically said that we're going to give you some more time. we're going to see if this ceasefire holds anywhere from 72 hours to even a week before the tougher sanctions would go
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ahead. they involve cutting back on overseas loans for russian-owned state energy companies, and that would start to hurt. at the moment putin describes the sanctions as little pin pricks, but i think there's still a lot they can do, and also what would really be up setting for russia and particularly putin is any talk of a boycott of the 2013 world cup. that really would hurt. >> it certainly would. peter sharpe thanks very much for bringing us all the very latest on these developments that we're seeing coming out of the nato summit in wales. let's go back to that summit now in the last few moments that we have left of this bulletin. james bayes has been talking. we have been talking almost for a half hour about ukraine and poroshenko announcing the ceasefire deal that is due in
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7-minute's time, but there has been a lot of talk, hasn't there, about how to deal, for example, with the islamic state group which has taken over vast swathes of iraq and syria. >> absolutely. and we're in that one hour of the afternoon where everything is happening, because the meeting has ended and all of the world leaders are simultaneously briefing us. sigh simultaneously we're getting a lot of information. it's fast coming out. about exactly what was raised in the afternoon session. but the islamic state has been talked about here. in a statement from secretary of state john kerry and chuck hagel saying they want to build a brood international coalition, and that nato members were in
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favor of this strategy. they say it's an idea from here they want to take to lots of other partners in the region. they want to take it to the u.n. general assembly, and build an international coalition. nobody is talking about any military action other than certain air strikes which have already been taking place. the focus will be building international support to condemn i.s. and also on intelligence sharing, trying to get as much information as possible on exactly who their members are, and where they come from. >> we did hear from rasmussen, and he was talking about building a coalition to fight against i.s. in iraq and syria. where is all of the money going toment come from? >> absolutely. because if you remember, nato,
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two of its members are from the america side of the atlantic, the u.s. and canada, but the rest are all from europe, and europe has been having great financial difficulties as we all know, and the one thing they have been doing is slashing the defense budgets as they try to get back into the black. well, they have a new commitment. they are going to stop slashing. they are going to increase defense spending over the next ten years. >> james just got a minute until we're off air. what are the nato leaders going to be doing in their final moments of this summit? >> well, i think the key thing we need to hear in the final moments, yes, there are 28 members of nato, but there is one member that pays 70% of the
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budget and that's the usa. in the next hour or so, president obama will be giving his closing news conference. very important to see what he says about this coalition he is trying to build with regard to the islamic state because it was two of his citizens that were brutally murdered in recent weeks, and also what he makes of that's fire in ukraine due to take hold in just a few moment's time. president obama speaks in the next half and i'm sure we'll be bringing you that live. >> indeed. james bayes thing you very much. we have heard the british prime minister david cameron welcoming the southeast fire. as james bayes was saying a lot has been happening in the last couple of hours. do stay with us here on al jazeera as we keep on top of all
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of the latest developments that we're seeing coming from this nato summit being held in wales in the united kingdom.
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