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the threat from islamic state terrorists, head of the c.i.a. and a former 4-star general discuss options. i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this", we'll have that and more straight ahead. >> a video posted online claims to show the beheading of a second journalist by the islamic state group. >> we are sickened by this brutal act. >> it is game over for atlantic city's casino. >> two more casinos expected to
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close, leaving 8,000 unemployed. >> the federal bureau of investigation is on the case of nude photos stolen from several hollywood celebrities. >> private information, there's civil and criminal consequences. >> professor dumpster has sweated it out inside his tiny steel home or six months. austin. >> what we do is a calling. >> joan rivers died at the age of 81. joo we begin with a second journalist brutally beheaded by an islamic state group. it shows the decapitation of steven sotloff, who grew up in miami and was known for his heart-felt videos.
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in the video he says he's paying the price of america's acts. >> we have dedicated resources to rescue steven sotloff. our thoughts with prayers are with mr steven sotloff and his family and those that worked with him. steven sotloff's killing comes two weeks after the execution of james foley. in that video is threatened steven sotloff would be next if the u.s. launched air strikes against them in iraq. steven sotloff's mother recorded an emotional video plea asking is to release her son. >> i ask you to please release my child. as a mother i ask your justice to be merciful, and not publish my son for matters he has no control over. >> since james foley's execution, the u.s. conditioned air strikes, paving the way for gains by iraqi forces.
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strikes around amerli, 100 miles north of baghdad helped to avert a looming humanitarian crisis. is identified david haines, british aid worker if other governments join the u.s. fighting against them. joining us from washington d.c. is ambassador james wol si, former director of central intelligence from 1993 to 1995, and ambassador for negotiation on conventional armed forces in vienna, and the chairman for the foundation of defense for democracies. pleasure to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> two americans murdered on camera in two weeks. a british citizen threatened. the state department says other americans could be hostages. is there anything the u.s. should do to prevent horrific executions of americans and other westerners? . >> one a person is captured by i.s.i.s., their option, i think,
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are to try to escape. if that is impossible, to pray. because this is a group not of just thugs or robbers, these are theocratic totalitarian imperialists. they are establishing an empire, a caliphate. anyone that is part of it, living within its borders, that do not convert to their view of religion, they kill. horribly, by burying families alive or by crews fiction. i think that -- crews fiction. i think the first thing we have to do is acknowledge that we are at war, we've been attacked by a totalitarian regime, we have to deal with them. >> you said before, and you said now, that we are at war with the terrorist. the president said last year
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that the global war on terror was over. was he wrong, how do we conduct the war when we have terrorists in pakistan, yemen, iraq, syria, else? >> well, i think the president mistook osama bin laden for an overall victory over a major movement. we don't have terrorists that we are dealing with here. some are terrorists. when we talk about the is, we are talking about a major movement with members forming military units and carrying out some kind of sentence for people that they capture, that will not sign on to their religion. something we have to take seriously, as we eventually took
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major wars. so far i think the president and the u.s. as a whole basically have been behaving like the europeans in the 1930s, between 1933 and "39. back just before world war ii. we are being positively chamberlain esque. >> appeasing the is group. what needs to be done. we have chuck hagel, secretary of defense, and secretary of state john kerry talking very aggressively about having to destroy the group, but the white house seems to not take the same position. >> i don't know why president obama drew a red line in the sand about syria's use of weapons, and after they crossed the line, shrugged.
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i don't know why he told dmitry medvedev, who was russian president, that once he had been reelected, he could be more flexible in dealing with putin. this is not the way you behave in dealing with people like these enemies. there are other things we need to do. we need to help the kurds, and with military capability, not just with food or night googles and so forth. we need to be tough with the qataris about their wealthy individuals sending weapons and funny mainly to is. we need to help figure out how to pull the sunni tribes together and to into a coherent group, the way we did back in '07/'08, when we put the surge together.
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i think we need to do all of this without putting big american units in, but a few c.i.a. people, special forces people to help the people who are with us get organised. i think we could do that. >> does that include syria? as you know, they have a lot of land, they hold a lot of land in syria. they have taken over syrian army bases, they have oil fields. do we go in there? is that a case if we do go in against the is terrorists, are we hapelping bashar al-assad, who we do not want to help? >> it's a big dilemma, we had a similar dilemma at the beginning of world war ii. we decided to aline with stalin against hitler. it's a good thing we did. as awful as stalin was, we pulled out a victory in world war ii because we worked with
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him for a time. i am not saying we should work together with bashar al-assad, but if we happen to be going against the same people or some of the same groups, such as i.s.i.l. or others, then i think that's just the way the dice fall on that particular play. >> on a broader - for a broader perspective, we launched drone strikes in somalia, targetting al-shabab terrorists there. is that where our focus should be, or do we have no choice, we have the taliban, boko haram in nigeria, al qaeda in pakistan, possibly in yemen and afghanistan. them? >> not ourselves. we need to work with allies. the kurds are a good example in one part of the world. and to move effectively with
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them and by that i mean helping supply them with weapons, quickly, supply them with intelligence, supply them with cruise missiles and drones. there are a number of things we can do to help without putting a handful of boots on the ground ourselves. where we can, some of the terrorist groups of the sort you described ought to be dealt with by our allies. we shouldn't have to do all of this. we need to pull things together, and by what the president once called leading from behind, it's together. >> a quick final question for you. you were the head of the c.i.a. soon after the soviet union disintegrated. as you see what is happening in ukraine, did you think we'd be back at this point in a confrontation with an ex-pagesist -- expansionist russia. it brings back memories of the cold war.
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>> it does, i headed of a convention of armed forces it europe in 1991, which had a treaty with russia - that all of europe signed - among other things it would have kept and did keep people from one country - troops from one county outside the borders of another unless they had permission. we had legal instruments and the rest that we negotiated to keep europe secure and stable. but russia is completely ignoring them. they are not close to going along with the basics of these treaties. i think we have to begin to think of russia much the way we thought of them during the cold war. putin is behaving very much, except there's no holocaust, the way hitler did between 1933 and 1939. he's grabbing europe a bit at a
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did. >> strong words from ambassador wallsy, former head of the c.i.a. joining us in new york is general anthony zenny,former commander in chief of zentcom. retired as a 4-star general and co-author of "before the first shots are fired - how america can win or lose off the battlefield." the main theme of the book is that we need to put more thought into what we are doing before we use force around the world. we say too many times we've not had enough sound analysis and we moved too quickly. a question as to what is going on in iraq and syria - are we moving too slowly? >> i do think we are moving slowly. there's time and space, where we see the beheadings and atrocities
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near genocide, my big concern is is may get into baghdad, they can infill freight and cause -- infiltrate and cause chaos, giving the iraqs and kurds a chance to reform, and give space for the new government which has to demonstrate they are more inclusive. it's hearts and mines, we want them to reject the form of extremism that i.s.i.s.... >> you need the sunni tribes to rise up against them. >> that's right. >> you said the battle is ongoing, and you said you could put a couple of brigades, but you know that the american public does not have much willingness to have fighters in iraq or anyone else at this point. it's something you address with the book.
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you raise the concern about american isolationism. when do we find the right balance as to when we do use the force you are talking about? >> that's the job of a president. the power of the bullied paul pit. we had the beirut disaster, advisors said not to go no grenada. i spoke to an aid saying regan asked a question "are americans in danger?", they said "we have medical students that could be in danger." he said there was no question, he wouldn't play into the politics, sensitivity and made the case to the american people. we know from the fdr talks, the fireside chats, it was a difficult war. we'd been attacked. that was the job of the president. he has to explain and make the hard choices. >> you mention in the fireside chats you write about it in your book and talk about franklin roosevelt and say:
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>> more bad news for atlantic city's badly wounded gambling industry. tuesday morning, two years after opening, the newest resort closed its doors. that follows the shuttering of the legendary new orleans themed
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casino show boat, open since 1987. up next, the trump plaza ceases operations in two weeks. that's 7,000 lost jobs in just a few months. many fear that could be a critical blow to the city's already shaky status as a gambling destination. for more, we're joined from southfield michigan, by the editor in chief of casino city, a website dedicated to gaming, as well as a publisher of trades on the gaming industry. there were 12 casinos in atlantic city at the start of the year, four are closing. 2006, gaming revenues were $5.2 billion, 2011, they'd fallen to $3 billion. gaming revenues nationwide are going up to $37.3 billion in 2012. what's wrong in
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atlantic city? >> you had competition rising a you will over the place. since 2004, 26 new casinos have been built in the mid atlantic in the new england area. about 20-25 within within hour's drive, our and a half drive itself, that's a lot of competition. so what's happened is the feeder markets to atlantic city have been cut, so pennsylvania's now a billion dollars casino market in its own right, maryland is becoming a casino market in its own right. >> the aqueduct racetrack there, the racing there, you've got a bunch of new competition, gamblers who have role alternatives.
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you have the fact that atlantic city has never been good at figuring how to get people to come to atlantic city. >> that's a big issue. vegas has figured out how to do it. it's become a resort destination, but it also has nearby competition now. they've got indian casinos in california, elsewhere in they have perfect, so there's competition for vegas, too. we saw what atlantic city did try to do with this revel casino. it was pretty spectacular. it was a pretty nice resort. they expected that to follow in vegas's footsteps. what went wrong there? >> well, this is completely a problem of execution. if you look at lotvasion, the strip right now, you have a 50-50 split between gaming revenue and non-gaming revenue on the strip. on weekends, the nightclubs in las vegas make more money per square foot than the casino floor.
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you have high end restaurants, retail, all sorts of things and reasons for people to go to vegas beyond gaming. atlantic city failed to diversify in that mix. rebel was supposed to be the solution, have the great restaurants, the great nightclub, and they were supposed to have the great hotel. they were supposed to have that mix. the problem was they never delivered on the execution. if you went to rebel, the restaurants were terrible. they didn't have very good shopping. there wasn't a reason to go back. that's a failure have execution. it goes into a wide are failure for atlantic city. atlantic city has failed to diversify. they've known what they needed to do but haven't done it. it's a failure at the political level, the casino level. the local governance, they failed in everything they needed to do to make this a resort casino. >> what does this mean for the broader world of gaming. it has changed dramatically.
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23 states have commercial casinos. there's some type of gambling. lottery in all states at this point, how long can it last, much money is out there for people to spend on gambling especially at these commercial casinos. the important thing to remember is this isn't a battle for the casino dollar, this is for the entertainment dollar. everyone in the united states lives within a couple hours drive of a commercial casino. going to a casino to gamble is just normal entertainment, as normal as going to the movies or out to a restaurant to eat. this is a battle for the entertainment dollar. take the mid atlantic. since 2004, gaming revenue overall is up 40%. there's a demand for casinos and gaming. the money's going into different places. casinos have to learn to compete. it's a healthy market. the other thing we learned over
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the last 10 years, because gaming is now an entertainment dollar, this isn't recession proof anymore. they have to compete. when the economy took a hit, so did gaming revenue. because it's entertainment money now, not just gaming money. the more casinos focus on the idea that this is entertainment money and fighting for discretionary income, that's the way it's going to be. >> thank you very much. >> turning now to dozens of hollywood stars who have been victimized by a computer hacker who stole nude pictures and posted the photos on line, more than 70 were hacked. many of the photos were stolen from apple's i cloud. the f.b.i. is on the case of what is a theft and maybe a sex crime. a digital marketing executive counsel's major corporations around the world.
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his latest book comes out in january, called zombie loyalist, using great service to create rabid fans. it's always good to have you on the show. calm it what it is, 21s 21st century theft. we've got 20th century laws to deal with crime. how different is this really from somebody breaking into your house and stealing your jewelry? >> it's different. the f.b.i. does have an incredibly smart cyber crime unit. they are on top of this. the bigger picture is really what is this as a crime. it is not a leak, it is a crime. someone toll information and stole things that did not belong to them and that were private and owned by someone else and they were stolen. there's no question that this was a crime by a perpetrator or group of perpetrators. >> there are ways to hide in the digital world. you are convinced the f.b.i. will find them?
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>> i believe so, yeah. in 2010, scarlett johansson had the same thing found to her and the that person was found and sentenced to 10 years in prison. they will find this ring. >> when you think about the scarlett johansson case and others involved in that, mila kunis and christina aguilera, 10 years in jail for putting these pictures on the internet, you think that would be a deterrent. are the laws not strong enough, not clear enough around the country. >> it's several things. if you look at crime, look at the people who base jump building, they knew it was a crime, they could go to jail for it, but it's never been done before. it's the concept of getting no one else has ever seen and they want. i don't condone it. why do you rob banks? that's where the money is. there's always someone that wants to get something that doesn't belong to them, they want to be the first person to do. the there's a reason people try to hack the most unhackable computer systems, why people
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were trying to get free calls by taking a pepsi can lid and touching a public telephone. it doesn't change, because the mentality always says it's something that's there. >> this has caused controversy. theres a series of tweets from the star of girls, and she wrote the way in which you share your body must be a choice. support these women and do not look at these pictures. she wrote remember when you look at these pictures, you are violating these women again and again. it's not ok. third tweet, seriously, do not forget that the person who stole these pictures and leaked them is not a hacker, they're a sex offender. >> legally, that's a difficult case to make, sex offender, there was no physical interaction in that reward. i don't in any way think this was the fault of the victims. this was not there, no way should they be blamed, if you don't want it don't take the pictures. i disagree. someone made the choice to steal those feats, that person should go to jail.
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legally, it's probably a stretch to call that person a sex offender, but that person is a chive and should pay for it, that person committed a crime. >> ricky injury vase said celebrities, make it hard tore get pics from you by not putting nude pics of yourself on your computer. the backlash, he was blaming the victim. let's go to your digital expertise. if someone wants to take pictures that they don't want people to see, what should they do? >> you have to stop thinking of your phone as a camera and phone. your phone is a camera and an insecure server. that's really what it is. anytime you take a photo, the default setting for the iphone, droid, to back up data. the logic being if you drop your phone in the toilet, lose it, you still have your data. the second that photo is taken and lees your phone and goes to
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the cloud, wherever it's stored, there's another copy of it. you don't have control over that. when you took a picture on your camera 20 years ago, you had the film, you controlled and owned the negatives. that doesn't exist anymore. it's within the right of everyone to do it. shut off the auto backup for the time you are taking those. take the photos, take them off the phone, store them not connected to the internet, a drive, somewhere in in our house. understand anytime you take those pictures with something connected to the web, the ability for them to be shared gets that much easier with or without your permission. >> all right, great to have you with us. thanks. we'll be back with more of "consider this." >> on the stream, >> children of divorced parents are twice as likely to drop out of high school than their peers. is it time to time to rethink how we're approching the social and legal aspects of divorce. >> the stream,
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>> can we talk? sadly, we will never hear joan rivers speak her signature words again. the trailblazer comedy legend known for her cowsistic sense of humor died with her trademark raspy voice and no holds barred approach, she was a master of invention who never stopped making us laugh in a career that lasted more than 50 years. joining us now is dick cavett.
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he hosted his own talk show and is an author. dick, very good to see you again. i know you'd been friends with joan for many years. i want to extend my condolences. there aren't many of you in that club of late night talk show hosts and you know her from working comedy clubs in new york in the 1960's. sheryl was an original. >> yes, and i obviously never expected this to happen. just about everything else happened to joan. the sad part of this, the sad ancillary part of this is that we will never hear what she would have said about her misadventure and her illness had she recovered. i must say, i didn't expect her
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to, the bulletins and comments weren't very encouraging ever, were they, it all had an ominous ring to it, that things are not going great. but yeah, we played little dinky clubs in the village. there was one very small club, and even though we were totally unknown, they put names out front. one night coming in to work for free, as joan was, we heard a guy and his girlfriend looking at the two names and said joanne rivers and dick cavett, and they moved on. >> i'm sure they never made that mistake again in the future. sheryl was a trailblazer. let's listen to her on the tonight show. >> don't you think men really like intelligence more? >> please, are we going to go back to that. >> it's a brain, a caring person.
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>> no man ever put his hands up a woman's dress looking for a library card. >> sheryl was one of the first fee fail comedians to do stand up with the boys especially that tough talking no one had done until she did. >> she was a girl in the trade, she really, really pounded it out there and she survived some of the worst nights, and so did i, in our small clubs, but i think she survived better. she almost, i don't know, she almost seemed to seek adversity in her work and in her life perhaps because she enjoyed how well she survived each time and came back for more. >> i want to play a quick equip about her career and being a comedian. >> you want a real job, honey, there are a million things you can do, but what we do is not a
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job. sounds so stupid. what we do is a calling, like yeah, we make people happy. it's a calling. >> now, she really lived those ups and downs from exploding in popularity as johnny carson's substitute host, her own talk show, but then the failure of her show and suicide of her husband, she did not have a smooth, all success kind of life. >> joan didn't have it easy. i used to talk to her about things backstage while we waited for maybe four or five people to come see us that night, and i said when are you happiest? she said i kind of have to admit it, it's when i'm out there, showbiz or on stage. that's true of a hell of a lot of people in the business, including i would say, johnny
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carson, her great supporter and then nemeses, really, who i think was only happy on stage. i saw him closely and knew what was going on in his life and worked for him. job had that, i think she escaped into the spotlight maybe more than is healthy or pleasant, but she sure did a hell of a job. i had got some orchids from her about six months ago. i had come to her defense in a public protest about jokes she had done about supposedly subjects you don't joke about, like the holocaust and some other things. i wrote to the people who made these remarks in a magazine, it would become great news to many people that there's any subject you can't do humor about, it would come to news at mark
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twain, stewart and colbert and chaplain. it's just a silly argument. >> some criticized her for being too harsh. she argued back that was talking about the truth. the reality is despite what she said about intelligence o on the johnny carson show is you cannot succeed with the biting humor she had unless you are tremendously intelligent. >> yeah, i guess there aren't very many dumb people like her. she was nobody's fool, and a lot of people will say she's harsh and hurt people's feelings like elizabeth taylor, but so what, she was dealing in comedy. she said i am what i am, she gave as good as she got when she was criticized, and i was all for her in that reward.
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>> she managed to really appeal to all generations. my kids love her, loved her on fashion police. it's a real shame. i got to hope that she gets her wish, what she wrote in her book about her funeral, she wants a fan blowing in her hair so she looks like beyonce and wants a big hollywood blowout and wants meryl streep crying in five different accents, so dick, again, my condolences, thanks. >> there was a very warm sweet person under there, which surprised many people who met her. she was a good kid underneath it all. >> all right. thank you, dick. good to see you. >> "consider this" will be right back.
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>> a firsthand look at the ongoing battle against the isis threat. >> bombs are cracking off in the distance... >> this is a booby trap in the islamic state >> ...a sniper around the corner here... >> from the front lines, josh rushing reports, on al jazeera america >> today's data dive looks at a critical issue for women. more women are having double mastectomies than ever. that option does not give women a higher cancer survival rate than less aggressive options. the records were pad of all women in california diagnosed with early stage breast cancer from 1998 to 2011. that's 190,000 women. those who had a double mastectomy showed an 81% survival rate, two percentage
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points low are than patients who just had a lumpectomy followed by radiation treatment. women who underwent a single mastectomy had a 79.9 survival rate. women need to consider all factors choosing their treatment. the percentage of women with an early cancer diagnosis who chose to have both breasts removed shot up from just 2% to more than 12% over the course of the study. among women younger than 40, the number jumped from less than 25 to less in three. angelina gee lee brought a new level to the treatment when she wrote about having the double mastectomy. she carried the gene increasing the risk of breast cancer up to 65%. what is now called the angelina effect has led to an increase in
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genetic testing and hope we will have fewer cases of breast cancer.
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on al jazeera america >> welcome to the news hour. live from our headquarters in doha. coming up in this program two attacks in somalia, several people are killed and there are reports four americans are among the casualties. physical stalemate in afghanistan as the two presidential candidates fail to reach an agreement on a power power-sharing government. decision time for the iraqi parliament, which is voting on a new government

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