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an america tonight investigative report only on al jazeera america >> the islamic state terrorists showing off weaponry and military powers as president obama gets ready to tell the people what he plans to do to beat the extremists. and a shocking video shocks the n.f.l. and its big stars. hi, i'm antonio mora, and welcome to "consider this", that and more stories ahead. >> president obama prepares to outline a strategy for deal with the islamic state group. >> the united states is not taking this on alone. >> we need the sunni states to step up.
>> september will see an exponential spread of the ebola virus. affected. hopes. >> that's the respiratory virus strickening hundreds of children in the midwest. >> my lungs started sort of closing up. >> a 15-year-old boy with autism thought he was taking the ice bucket challenge, instead him. >> it's behind shameful. >> dangerous flash floods. >> people are driving into it, getting washed away. >> this could be a game changer when it comes to domestic violencism. >> baltimore ravens have stood down ray ricism. >> when the video comes out, it's over. we begin with president obama preparing to take his strategy to defeat the islamic people.
>> what i'm going to ask the american people to understand is number one, this is a serious threat; number two, we have the capacity to deal with it, and here is how. the president puts his case to the american people on wednesday, a day before the u. offense. >> calls for aggressive action are building on capitol hill. polls show the american public is convinced of the threat i.s. poses. most agree that ground troops should not be sent to fight and the u.s. is working to build an international coalition. >> almost every country on earth has a role to play i eliminating the i.s.i.l. threat and the evil it represents. >> the u.s. expanded air strikes in iraq, hitting near the critical haditha dam. the question is what the
president will do about i.s. in syria, where the terrorists control a large part of the country, including military, tanks, fighter jets, missiles and drones. joining us is douglas oliphant former director for iraq during the bush and regan admissions. he's a former army officer that helped plan the surge in iraq, and a fellow at the new american foundation. great to have you on the show. >> good evening. i want to start with a basic question - how strong are the islamic state terrorists. the video they released showed they may have fighter jets to missiles after taking off over the syrian air base last month. some of the video was taken from the skies, showing they have aerial capability. >> the video appears to have been taken from a drone or uabs. we see in the video there's a
lot of munitions, missiles, a tank. they have possession of fighter jets. whether they put them in the dubious. >> the video includes barr bar itties that these people commit and president obama is set to lay out the case for a u.s.-led offensive, that senior officials say could take three years to complete. what do you expect to hear from president obama. what should we hear from president obama? >> i think we'll hear what is previewed, that this will roll out in three phases much the first phase, we are keeped the islamic state afghanistan further out. while we contain them and push them back, as the video shows, they are expanding their control in syria. we'll hold them in iraq, the next face is to roll them back, working in conjunction with iraqi forces, arab and kurd once
the government has formed, to take the offense to i.s.i.s., so the iraqi will provide the ground power, the united states air power. planning. back office support, if you will, out of baghdad: >> some of phase two is happening near the bombing near the dam, trying to push them back there. we succeeded in getting them out of mosul dam. the president is not promising ground troops. he wants to work with the kurdish forces, helping them with arms training. that hasn't helped so far. >> it worked in the limited instances we have seen. it worked at amerli, mosul dam, sinjar, and we have been nibbling away at the edges, even though the air power is limited. there'll be more of it. >> my point is towards the training and arming of the
troops and their performance. >> i think the iraqis will have to look hard and decide if they want the army to be a professional force or a rent seeking or patronage organization full of corruption. >> one of the problems how that became what you are talking about is because of former prime minister nouri al-maliki, and now there's word he may be vice president in the new government. is that encouraging? >> i think that the problem is larger than nouri al-maliki. perversely, having him in the government may be the safe place for him. we want him to be aboveboard if you will, and in public view, not out hiding some place. i'm relatively sanguine when he's in the government. it allows everyone else to keep an eye on him. the arab league started making noises about getting involved and aggressive. the president addressed that need yesterday.
let's listen to him. >> i think that it is absolutely true that we'll need sunni states to step up, not just saudi arabia, but partners like jordan, united arab emirates, turkey - they need to be involved. this is their neighbourhood. the dangers that are posed are more directed at them right now than they are us. and the good news is, i think, for the perhaps first time you have absolute clarity that the problem for sunni states in the region, many of whom are allies is not simply iran, it's not simply sunni shia issue. secretary of state john kerry is heading to the region, secretary hagel is in turkey. i know they are negotiating to see what kind of help they can get. isn't, in the end, the big issue going to be syria, and what
happens to i.s. and syria, and what we can do. of course, we don't or haven't wanted to help bashar al-assad. we have been doing everything we could or not everything that we could. we wanted him to get out of syria. if bashar al-assad doesn't authorise strikes, what will we do, or will we go in on our own. >> working on the legalities will be interesting. working on the ground, the groups politically acceptable to the army don't have much in the way of capacity. the groups with military capacity, the regime and its allies are not acceptable to us politically. we don't have the right partner in syria yet. ultimately we'd like some type of peace process and a unity government there for us to work with. that was hard in iraq, it's going to be, as you know, exponentially harder in syria. >> what do we do.
as you saw, as we talked about, they have fighter jets that they may not be able to fly, but they resources. >> in syria, in the short term, all we'll be able to do is hold them there. my guess is we'll use air strikes, but by themselves they can only do so much. we'll deprive them of supplies, making it harder for them to move, and make it a more challenging atmosphere where they don't have a safe haven, but it will be a while before they can be pushed out of syria. >> doug oliphant of the new america association, thanks. >> always a pleasure. >> for more on the politics involved in this and immigration, we are joined from talla hassy florida, by rick neilson, who worked on the 2008 presidential campaign. and we are joined by james warren, the washington bureau chief, always good to see both
of you. i start with you. the senate in the house will be brief. capitol hill. for more aggressive action we have a new c.n.n. poll finding that 90% of americans are worried and there is support for military intervention. 76% are in favour of air strikes. the majority are with the president, opposing sending troops to fight i.s. 61-38%. on the other hand 30% of americans think the president has a clear plan, 60% approve. how big an issue is it for them. >> it is a big political issue for a number of reasons. he referred to i.s. as the jv team. and the second saying we don't have a strategy, and a few days later they roll out what looks like a 3-year incremental bounded plan that i don't think
will be greeted on capitol hill with rousing enthusiasm, because i don't think - i talked to a couple of members about this, not in great depth, but i think the situation now feels like this is a bit of a dilla tri response, a little concern that the no boots on the ground is a legacy issue for the president, that we may end up slipping into a situation where there's support groups on the ground. if it's a 3-year plan, they may need something granular, something on both sides of the aisle that they'll bless. >> after being cautious than other big members of the administration, the president is saying that he is not going to stop until terrorists are defeated. do you think he's improved his messaging. he'll have to be concise.
it has been a fascinating test of his skills. especially since, as rick laid out, the basic backdrop a guy with lower approval rating, app thetic and suspicious. real isolationist streak, and a lot of folks on rick's side betwixt and between warning, ground. he has to come out and be simply, which will be difficult. and make clear the status quo cannot continue there. americans have been outrageously dealt with. this is a cancer. we have to deal with it, and we need a coalition of the willing, which is stricte for him. multiple audiences not only include a doubtful american public, but dubious conflict.
i think it will include spineless multiples. >> you brought up the jv comment, a statement where he compared the islamic state fighters to a junior varsity team. when he was asked about that by chuck todd, "meet the press", he said this. >> keep in mind i wasn't specifically referring to i.s.i.l. i have said that regionally there were a whole series of organizations that were focused primarily locally, not homeland, because a lot of us when we think about terrorism, the model is osama bin laden, and 9/11. >> the president keeps saying that he was not talking about the islamic state terrorists, despite the fact that his press secretary was given four pin okayios by the post for saying that. and poll itty fat has done the
same thing saying the words were false. why is the administration still spinning this? >> this is a guy who has a lot of difficulties saying the words "i was wrong." they are magic words, and there's latitude for a president to say i was wrong, who knew these guys would be incredibly barbaric, savage. we now know how serious this is, that would have been the smart way to handled it. he has a difficulty saying "i screwed up, i blew the call." you would be forgiven. >> if he said that, do you agree with rick. there are instances of him being arguably disingenuous, when asked about why he made golf after the emotional statement denouncing the beheading of james foley. >> after the statement i should
have anticipated the optics. >> again, a non-apology apology, saying he should have anticipated that it wouldn't look good. you wrote about it. sorry. >> why not say there are some days i'd bebetter off playing backganon, even if i'm on martha's vineyard. i think in pard it's ego -- part it's ego. to an extent it's a reflection of the staff around him, and maybe there's precious few willing to go in and say "you're dead wrong." we may look back and suggest the comment was part and parcel of a massive, massive intelligence failure when it came to having a good sense of who these guys grow. >> there are reports they'd been warned for a long time. jim brings up the staffers.
is that the problem here? we also have him postponing action on immigration until after the midterms. he promised to act by the end of the summer. he said it's not a political decision, that he's pushing it off until after the midterms. his spokesperson comments about him pushing this off were jack packed with political comments. the staffers, do they think people will not notice a dichotomy in what they are saying. i'll give you both a last word. >> on friday it was if republicans oppose immigration, it was a disaster, saturday morning it was whatever. this is the kind of disconnect between obama and his staff that is marked in a lot of areas about domestic and foreign policy. >> jim. >> there's cynicism and realism and all of us in the media, short attention spans, the news
cycle being different. this is about politics when it comes to policy. this is the democrats losing control. folks loned on him saying get this off the table until the day or two after the election. >> jim warren and rick wilson. good to have you both with us, as always. thanks. now for some more stories from around the world. we begin in mariupol, ukraine, where despite sporadic fighting petro porashenko touted the success of the ceasefire, announcing 1200 ukranian prisoners were to be released by pro-russian rebels. the two sides continue to talk, with vladimir putin speaking on the phone on monday. despite the truce, in brussels
the e.u. approved a new round of sanctions, saying they could be suspended if the peace holds. next to the middle east, mahmoud abbas blasted hamas, accusing it of running a shadow government in gaza, and threatened to dissolve the unity pact with hamas, telling reporters if hamas will not accept the palestinian state with one government, law and gun, there won't be a partnership between us. mahmoud abbas estimated it would take 15 years and $7 billion to rebuild what was destroyed in gaza. we end in phoenix, where jan brewer declared a state-wide emergency after rains caused major floods, knocked out power and killed one woman. the remnants of hurricane norbert dumped 3 inches of rain in the area. schools had to close on monday, and nonessential government
personnel were told to stay home until the roads could be cleared of water. the forecast says rain will finance into tuesday morning. that is some of what is happening around the world. coming up, a mysterious illness sends hundreds of kids to hospitals across america. and a powerful story of a man that risked his life to tell the story of the ebola outbreak that more. >> and harmeli aregawi, talking about the top stories. what is trending. >> a prank played on a teen with autism. the act inspired the community and celebrities to band together to find the perpetrators. if you don't already, check out our social media pages. we are on: >> on tech know, imagine getting the chance
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a rare respiratory virus is sending hundreds of children across the country. the virus officially known as entro virus d-68 was discovered in the 1960s. there has been a few reported cases since then. so little is known na it left doctors grasping their heads. numbers. joining us now to help us understand more. an assistant professor. let's put up a map, from the eastern seaboard. 10 states reporting this. there's a couple of thousands case, a couple of hundred kids going to i.c.u.s. the head of infectious diseases
in hospitals in kansas, she said she has not seen. it's the perfect storm for some of the changes that have happened, and the moment in the late fall, where d68, outbreaks are most common, and kids go to school. kids are going to school, all of a sudden you have a number of children passing it off other. >> you say the virus somehow mutated and changed in a way that made it more contagious. >> there's good data analysing a number of different outbreaks in a number of different countries, and showed that there has been important evolution in the virus, but then also's ability to survive. >> that's not encouraging, because if the virus can survive
on surface, you are talking airplanes, kids desks and it can be contagious. >> thankfully for most of us that get the disease, it will not cause more than a bad cold. for some under the age of five, those that have asthma, it could send them to the i.c.u. how dangerous is it for people who respiratory issues. >> very dangerous. we have seen cases of children almost stopped from breathing by the virus, and had to have i.c.u. support over a number of days. >> if it is that contagious now, some experts say that this could be something we see in every state of the country. case. it's important to put this within context. it's something that over time we have researched, understood, developed treatments for. it's unclear as to whether or not d 68, something that is here with us to stay. or whether it's a one-off
deal, and we will not here its name. >> why, because we'll develop immunity, or somehow it can be disappear. >> that happened with some of the seasonal outbreaks, they'll be really bat, and next you see a perfect storm. contrasted with the flu, where we have yearly outbreaks, and we do a good job of tracing which of the strains we are more likely to get, and vaccinate. >> why is this affecting children more than adults. >> we know that children have different immune systems to adults. at this point it's unclear as to why children are in particular. it has something to do with the difference in the immune system. they are not as robust as some of the viruses and they may have worst illnesses. >> this is not something that is one season and gone. is it something we could develop a vaccine for? >> it's possible.
the virus - one of the most famous of the virus that is it belongs to is polio. we have developed a number of vaccines. there's no reason why in theory we couldn't have developed the vaccine. this hasn't been a large issue, there's no incentive to do that. let me take a pessimistic look at this, instead of it being a one-season thing, could it mutate and get worse. >> in theory is could mutate and get worse. much is driven by the fact that viruses, like all beings, bacteria, animals evolve. it will evolve to infect more people. that being said, i don't think yet. >> it's the first time we have to deal with it. >> parents, if they see their kids wheezing. sake action. >> yes, particularly
children with asthma, the sign you look for it nostrils flaring, contraction in the muscles between the ribs, and the weezing - parents should go to the hospital. >> important advice, thank you for telling us the story of this unusual virus that may not be unusual any more. >> thanks for having me. >> turning to the ebola outbreak in west africa, it's spreading exponentially according to the world health organisation, it announced thousands of cases in the coming weeks, 2,000 people have died in four countries, with the total number infected exceeding 4,000. amidst the suffering there are those that are risking their lives to fight the disease. >> the only way to contain it is to isolate the infected. this man works with a sierra leone disease surveillance team.
it's their job to find victims and get them to the doctors without borders' hospital. he and his seven colleagues can't keep up with the number of cases. joining us from london is "frontline" producer, who filmed this for a documentary entitled "ebola outbreak", debuting as an african special and addresses boko haram, on pbs and online at pbs.org/frontline. good to have you with us. i realise this is an important story to tell. i am sure your friends and family must have thought you were crazy going into the middle of some of this ebola outbreak. how frightened were you? >> absolutely. you don't embark on an assignment like this without thinking twice.
i made finals in syria and afghanistan, dangerous place, but this was one of the most frightening prospects. after weighing up the importance of the story, versus the risk, and speaking to tropical diseases experts, and realising that there would be a way to enter the epicentre of an outbreak without capturing ebola, that's when i decided the story was important enough to go out and film. >> what kind of precautions did safe? >> well, after i learnt that the virus is not airborne, that was the first stage of dealing with the fear. the second stage was realising that you do contract it through touching and contact with bodily fluids from infected people. the key thing was not to touch anyone. that was lesson number one, try to maintain a 2 meter distance, all of which are challenges when you try to make a film, when you
try to get close to people's lies. the first is to not touch anyone and disinfect your hands. i used disinfectant wipes on the equipment. chlorine on the hands, disinfecting the soles of the shoes regularly, in and out of the vehicles and hospitals as well. it was an unusual environment in which to make an intimate film capturing the every day lives, not just the doctors and nurses trying to combat the disease. the challenge was capturing the lives of people infected with the disease, and families torn apart from ebola. >> unusual is an understatement. it is an intimate look. and you look at families. let's play another part of this front line. >> a young woman is clearly unwell. this woman is 25 years old, the mother of
four children. her husband is a farmer. he's 35. it was his father who died two weeks ago. they disinfect the home with chlorine. everything she touched could have been contaminated. he can't risk touching his wife to say goodbye. >> this is heart-breaking. >> absolutely. absolutely. and the clip you showed, the people you could see i was filming with respect sierra leone's disease detectives, effectively. these are a team from sierra leone's ministry of health, and unlike the health systems that we may be used to in certain
countries, this is a region of sierra leone where half a million, just three medical doctors for a population of half a million. these are people operating in an overstretched environment. manjo was the community health officer there, whose job it is to track down the infected families over the 21 day incubation period. to witness this, it's hard to not be moved by it. you are seeing families, the husband there, his wife had fallen slip with flu-like symptoms, which would be something like malaria. while that is no small disease, there are ways of treating it. this is a disease that came out of nowhere. his wife has taken away from him, not even in an ambulance, because they are so stretched for resources. they have a few ambulances.
one of the biggest ironies of the film is the hearse is going around collecting infected. so it was a tragic thing. you can see how this was - while we followed the one family over the period of the film, and through various ups and downs, you can see that this was an example of what is happening across the region, not just in africa. >> and the workers had to move on, despite the fact there could have been erts infected -- others infected in the village. let's watch another part of the film. >> in nearby canna ma, the 3rd largest town, rumours about the virus brought people on to the streets. a story is going around that ebola is a hoax, a trick devised by doctors to steal people's blood. the rioters are trying to break down the gates and patients.
>> there has been riots in many countries. what you raise in a voice over of the film, the distrust and mistrust that exists when it comes to health professionals, and what they are doing. is the situation worse than we have been led to believe. do you have a hope that it will get better soon? >> absolutely. worst than i would imagine, worse than any of us could imagine. the problem highlighted by the clip you showed was that the health workers are not just combatting the spread of the disease and fear, and the fear of surrounding the disease, a climate of mistrust. this is a disease that was new to the country, and that people associate with these outsiders. health workers coming to help. villagers, and remote villagers who are not used to seeing healers in this client, in this environment.
they have health workers from agencies like doctors without borders bravely helping. a lot of them is the education is not spreading fast enough. a lot believe ebola is a hoax, hoax by medical workers to try to steal their blood, harvest their organs, and all sorts of other theories that are going to be going around. in terms of hope, people like doctors without border characters, that i met, the doctors, the nurses, the sanitation officers who are risking their lives day in, day out to treat and care tore the sick and infected. those people give you hope. >> let's hope the international efforts to help do bring this under control as soon as possible for the sake of all the poor people who are suffering. ebola outbreak debuts on tuesday night. pleasure to have you with us, thank you. now to harmeli aregawi.
>> on ohio community turned a prank into a message of tolerance. a teen with autism thought he was taking part in the popular als challenge. his family says their son was the butt of a joke. in the video they wanted people to see high school students pour waste and cigarette butts over the boy. >> i want the kids held accountable, that they targeted somebody who, you know, didn't on. >> over the weekend the small-town community came together to raise money for als and autism speaks, and take a stance against bullying. celebrities like comedian jim carrey, who is from cleveland wrote that he would donate to autism speaks, or: .
>> newly married jenny mccarthy and danny warburg pledged to match the $10,000 for a development of $30,000. and former talk show host offered to speak at the school or to the parents of the teenagers saying: a petition calling for the prosecution of the students has garnered 200,000 signatures on change.org. the bay village police department is working with the school district to vet the case. let us -- investigate the case. let us know what you think. this was awful. >> let's hope they are found and taught a good lesson. >> absolutely. >> straight ahead - america's youth could be shifting to the right politically. why g.o.p. may be able to count teenagers among the faithful. new york's fashion week has world war ii to thank for giving it a start.
>> saying "i do" changed everything. >>every saturday, join us for exclusive, revealing and surprising talks with the most interesting people of our time. "talk to al jazeera" saturday 5 eastern only on al jazeera america the g.o.p. is favourite to take control of the senate after the upcoming midterm elections. could is signal that republicans could be the choice of a new administration. teens that vote have seep six years of a week economy, under a democratic president and a coming of age at a time when a large majority of americans think they are on the wrong track. event that happened at age 18 has an impact on a person that is three times as powerful as events when they are 40. we have seen generational shifts before.
the young generation of the '60s gave way to a land slide win. remember "family ties." >> movie reel: that is terrible, hairy, liberal monster. with big teeth. they only thing they can stop the terrible tax monster, the only thing is a republican. who wants to this. >> paul taylor is a senior fellow at the pugh research center, where he overseas demographic and social research. he's the author of the "the next millennial." millennials out of college are lacial mostly. but those a little younger and starting to vote in this decade
a more conservative. we saw mitt romney win a big percentage in the last election. do you see these as being a shift. and it could be an attachment. >> it's a fascinating theory, i think it's just a theory. we'll see. what we do know is that 20 somethings, and these are the young adults in the electorate, have been enormously distinctive in the years they have been voting, they are the lilerral, democratic -- liberal democratic voting group. >> but what we also know about young adults is they are not terribly attached to either political party, a record share of them, if you ask if they are republican, democrat, a record will say independent. they are fed up with politics in washington. this generation, young americans
are coming of age. i think they are completely up for grabs, and a lot of fight this fall, but particularly in 2016 and 2020 will be over, trying to get their allegiances. >> the millenniums growing up, they have stayed liberal. if they look, they came of age, voting age during the '50s, and the eisenhower years stayed mostly republican. people that came of age during the vietnam war stayed departments, and the pugh survey found it depends on political and economical fundamentals. even though you do bring up the important point that many are identifying as independence now, is there a concern for democrats moving forward because of the recent struggle president obama is having, and the increasing support for him as a leader?
>> to go back to the premise, there's no question that the coming of age question that young adults have are form u lative, but are not fixed and rigid and determinative. we asked a question over the course of your lifetime, would you say you are more liberal, conservative or stayed the same. you go back to the boomers, a majority said "i have gotten more conservative." you see the different shifts over time. circumstances change, and people mature in different ways. the premise is an important one. what i would say is that it's not just in their political pro-clifties, but i think that they are likely to be grazers, not to fix themselves to anything that is here today because they live in a world where technology changes so fast, that the next iphone will be there tomorrow, and that is
who they are. >> something else about who they are, which is different to prior generations, is that this generation, 45%, are minorities, it's growing in a few years. there'll be no majorities, that that could make a difference. it's a huge factor. it's the most nonwhite, as you point out. it's a bridge to a future in this country by mid-century, where the population - and let's saying it about about the young adults, the 20 somethings and the teens - they are starting out in the most difficult economic circumstances of any generation. those two factors, being at the lower end of the socialia economic scale and minorities, for the last 50, 80, 100 years have been associated with being democrats, and we see that in voting behaviours of 20 something, it doesn't suggest it is locked in, but it's an
element you need to keep into the equation. >> because of the ageing of the american population, it brings different issues to the fore, that this generation will have to face, that others didn't. i know you address that in your book, the next america, boomers, millennials, and the generational showdown. pleasure to have you with us. >> thanks for having pee. >> the n.f.l. and the baltimore ravens take action as frightening video emerges of ray rice assaulting his fiancee. first, fashion week - why new york, milan, paris is at the center of it all, and how it affects what you buy and wear, when data dive >> it's a chilling and draconian sentence... it simply cannot stand. >> this trial was a sham... >> they are truth seekers... >> all they really wanna do is find out what's happening, so they can tell people... >> governments around the world all united to condemn this... >> as you can see, it's still a very much volatile situation...
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the super bowl of style. new york's fashion week is in full swing with the biggest and best labels taking over lincoln center. shows at the famous tents can cost anywhere from $100,000 to a cool million to produce. it pays off for the city. the spring and fall fashion week bring in 865 million into new york's economy. fashion is always big business in new york. there are 900 apparel companies head quartered in the city, accounting for a billion in wages. fashion shows are believed to have started in 1803 with eric brothers, and then department stores. according to fashion magazines, world war ii kick started fashion week. in 1943 a fashion publicist named eleanor lambert
capitalized on a misfortune of france and filled the void with press week. american designers had prays, previously reserved for the europe scene. labels held their open shows in lofts, until the early '90s, when the new york fashion week was created. you'll see plenty of ready to wear clotheless, and some that most would not be caught dead wearing. four years ago, why models were put in outfits without homes. >> jeremy scott had a group of boots that were not connected. harlem's fashion row furnished a dress. and the blondes featured a dress that featured and looked like tweety bird. that's a sampling of the outrageous stuff.
already suspended for two games for knocking out his fiance and dragging her out of an atlantic city casino elevator, video shows rice delivering the knockout pump. the n.f.l. waited months to hand down a 2-game suspension. what about the footage led to him being terminated so quickly. joining us from washington d.c. is dave zirin, host of "edge of sport" radio. sunday rice had a week to go before going back to work. he has been cut now from the ravens indefinitely suspended by the n.f.l. he is unemployed. we knew from the first video who had happened, that he knocked his fiancee unconscious in a casino elevator, is this hypocrisy on the n.f.l. part. if this is the penalty, why didn't they hand it down immediately.
>> the tragedy is yes it's hypocrisy, shocking and unexpected. it's in a line with what the football league has bun about domestic violence for years, and that is treat it like a public relations problem, one that they will not confront openly. if they commit domestic violence, don't be caught on video tape. the san francisco 49ers had a player leaving bruises on the body of his pregnant fiancee. he was out playing sunday. if he was caught on videotape, he probably wouldn't be. that's a scary moral comp as. >> you wrote that the video release does more harm to ray rice's now wife than anyone else. do you think it was wrong for the video to be released. without it we wouldn't know the extent of the incident. >> i'm not going to say it's not a complicated question.
it sparked the discussion, it's shown the n.f.l.'s true colours. it's the terms of how the case was handled. at the same time, we spent this morning talking to a lot of people. they said the tame thing. is there any good that releasing the tape could produce, it's mitigated by the harm by jena rice in terms of it being released. it's a key and operative word. if it was a video of ray rice, would it show on the loop. probably not. maybe t.m.z. would. in terms of respectable thus outlets, i get why it has to be shown. it's the gata lift of everything we talk about.
we should keep in mind everything that we should do for a living, it wife. >> the front office, coaches, players supported ray rice. here and what the coach said suspension. >> i stand by ray, he's a heck of a guy. consequence. >> here is what he said after the video came out. >> we had a meeting. it was not a long meeting. we came to the decision to release ray. it changed things, of course. different. >> again, i may be repeating myself. what did we thenning. >> this is the thing that turns your stomach. he put it out there in black and white. we saw the video.
it changed everything. we knew he dragged her unconscious form from the difference. ray rice violated the card jipal rule, that he created a distraction. what is the thing that the n.f.l. lead out a vengeance. it shows the moral compass and the thinking of the league "oh, my, this is a public relations problem, let's get it off the front page" much the slogan may as well be hate the player, don't hate the game. get your ire out on the player, but don't look at the n.f.l. as part of a problem. >> talking of the n.f.l. a first offense is six games, second a suspension, that was the policy.
sentence. why the longer suspension? >> you took the words out of my mouth. it's a public relations problem. all of that is blah, blah, blah, from roger goodell. he has power, and the teams have power to do what they want whenever they want. the union can appeal, but only after the fact. the life-time ban could happen at any time. there are no rules written in stone. there are about drug policies, like how many games you get for offense. >> this is not a lifetime ban, it's a suspension. ee could apply to be reinstated. >> i'll tell you this on a very personal level and in the spirit of restorative justice, i hope if he gets counselling and deal with what led him to this
moment, i hope he gets another chance. the law and order n.f.l. thing is tired. especially when we look at the times of a league. it seems to operate with unchecked hypocrisy. >> that's terrible. dave zirin, good to have you with us. >> that's all for now. coming up on tuesday - weeks after the outcry in ferguson, capital hill could take up the demilitarization of police. the conversation continues on the website, on facebook, google+. and you can find us on twitter. see you next time. >> start with one issue education... gun control... the gap between rich and poor... job creation... climate change... tax policy... the economy... iran... healthcare... ad guests on all sides of the debate. >> this is a right we should all have... >> it's just the way it is... >> there's something seriously wrong... >> there's been acrimony... >> the conservative ideal...
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