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>> techknow every saturday go where science meets humanity. this is some of the best driving i've ever done, even though i can't see. techknow. we're here in the vortex. only on al jazeera america. the four people in dallas who have d the closest contact with the man with ebola have finally been moved. i.s.i.l. beheads another aid worker and is on the verge of overtaking a critical town in syria. why haven't our military stopped them? i'm antonio mora, those and much more straight ahead. >> we are not facing just a health crisis. we are facing a national security priority.
>> nobody concerned there were these breakdowns in dallas, not confident that there aren't going to be other breakdowns? >> entirely possible there will be another case. >> defense secretary leon panetta. >> dropped the ball on iraq. >> i thought it was important for us to maintain a presence in iraq. >> we now know that henry kissinger was plotting an all out attack on cuba. >> this would have been a very serious confrontation with soviet union. >> it's very possible that the united states was planning another world war iii. >> and to remember, kids are not merely adults, they are developing humans. >> in the midst of a violent confrontation from the chinese government supporters.
>> we begin with the latest on the ebola sair tha scare that iw broadening to other areas of the country. howard university says they are evaluating a patient for the virus. that nearby shady grove they had isolated a patient with flu-like symptoms and travel history that matches criteria for ebola. crews decontaminate the apartment where thomas duncan had been staying before he was admitted to the hospital. and at the white house, officials hold what is called a heated press conference. where they assure reporters that there virus. >> are you sure there won't be breakdowns similar? >> dr. anthony
fauci said the battle against the virus will not end soon. >> we have a case now and it is entirely conceivable there will be another case. >> dallas, and diane eastabrook. good to see you. let's begin with the press conference in washington. where authorities attempted to assure individuals that there won't be spreads across the country. dr. fauci admitted things didn't go the way it should. is there assurance that things are under control? >> i would say antonio, people are still skeptical about that. thomas duncan went into the emergency room, sent home, came back a few days later. people were upset and concerned about that. the apartment complex that he was staying at, last week, the week before, there is a lot of concern here.
many of the people who live in this apartment complex are immigrants and they speak very little english and they were telling me today that they have not been contacted by the cdc, they haven't seen anybody from the health department come around to talk to them. the only information they are getting is from news reports and are really concerned about if their children were out open the streets playing could they become infected? there were reports that thomas vomited when he was waiting for the ambulance to com get him. kids play outside and they haven't had anyone come around and talk to them and assure them. >> our reporter heidi zhou-castro spoke with the person he was -- was a relative, he wasn't living with her.
>> don't move, so we keep the hours, children go to school and -- so we no one say -- there is coming to the house or tell us you guys need to stay indoor and not go outside. >> reporter: let me make sure i understand you. no one has come to this house to tell you you have to stay behind this door? >> yes, no one tell me not to go outside, do not go outside, we just doing this. >> that certainly doesn't sound very reassuring, diane. >> reporter: no, and again, as i was sort of saying earlier, the focus has been on the apartment where duncan was staying. there's not been a lot of focus with the people who live around him. so they've gotten very little information and as you heard, from the woman who had gone over to see him, and actually i think called 911, she's gotten very little information and she's not been contacted and she's very
scared. >> right, and she actually went to the hospital with him apparently on the night he went to the emergency room. and now there is news that the people who were quarantined at that apartment you are referring to that duncan was living they have been moved. what have you learned? >> that's right. they were escorted out here earlier this evening. we saw the haz-mat truck come in about 11 clofn 3:30 this afternd begin cleaning. they were taken to a private home somewhere in dallas county, they are still in quarantine, they are some days to be in quarantine before they are clear. they are checking them several times a day to make sure they're not running a fever. >> the texas health department said they had narrowed their serve from 100 down to 50.
only 10 were considered high risk meaning they would be checked as the ones who lived with him twice daily for symptoms. what do we know about those other cases, not cases, those other people? >> reporter: yeah, the other people that would be included in that ten would be the health care workers who took care of him. the emts, ambulance workers who came and got him and the workers who may have come in contact with blood or bodily fluid. >> is there any news on the condition of the patient himself? >> we don't know much about his condition. we know he's in pretty serious condition. he was not maybe talking to family as he had been earlier but still in serious condition so he's not out of the woods credit yet. >> al jazeera's diane eastabrook, in dallas,
appreciate you speaking with us. >> overseeing the chaotic response in africa to the worst ebola crisis in history. the facilities being built have barely gotten off the ground. epidemic may have paved the way for the first case of ebola to arrive on our doorstep. turned away from a hospital because there were no beds. she died the next day and a couple of days later duncan flew to dallas. for more we're joined in cambridge, massachusetts by edward glazer. his opinion piece in the boston globe friday is entitled the u.s. has an even greater role to play in africa's health care crisis. edward, good to have you with us. you quote a swedish doctor in sierra
leone, an attack of bioterrorism where the terrorist is mother nature, that the u.s. has to commit itself to help africa. >> i think we are, we are one species and we have a commitment to one another. the challenges of africa are enormous and america and a lot of the developed world has a commitment to make sure africa's development is as healthy as it can be. >> your point is only western governments have the resources to really bring some sort of shock and awe to this war against this deadly virus? >> i think we do have a lot of resources in the west and i think american -- america's government certainly does have considerable strength. in principle, i think i'm as we look forward what we'd like to see is that before the next crisis occurs, we want to have tools in place so that we can
respond with enormous strength to face down an epidemic before control. at the same time, we want to be working on the engineering side, we want to be ensures clean water supplies. we want to be working to make sure that africa's cities which have the capacity to transform the continent, to create prosperity where there was once poverty, make sure the cities have the infrastructure they need to be health, to be places where one doesn't infect one another, right? enabling people to learn from one another in close quarters, to collaborate on great projects, cities also facilitate the flow of disease and for men minima mental
millennia, i'm not arguing that it's the job of the united states to oversee or make those investments but we should be committed to helping. >> we are committed to help and we are sending 3,000 troops on friday, on sunday we announced we would be sending another 600 to help on the crisis but the new york times has reported that two weeks after president obama announced we're going to do this, we are still ten days away from the first facility built, that's a facility for 25 beds. by most estimates, 25 people may have contracted ebola in the past couple of hours. you are talking with responding with overwhelming resources. are we just not doing enough now now? >> well, i think point about infrastructure is that it takes a great deal of time to build. walking to this studio i had to walk over a bridge that is two
and a half years in a relatively modest renovation to do. you can't expect fast building of infrastructure on the fly and i think that's completely unsurprising that it's taking time to build beds. but that's not a reason to give up. that's a reason to say look we need to start building infrastructure now, not only in response to the current outbreak, but so that we have enough infrastructure there for the next outbreak. this needs to be an ongoing process of commitment, not something where an outbreak occurs, we respond but it takes us a while to do it, an then we go home. we need to commit to make sure there's enough infrastructure there so fewer people die next time. >> and if the facilities are built there the challenge is to staff them. 375 health care workers have gotten the disease just since september 23rd and the medical community in west africa has already been devastated since then. this raises questions about
whether the world should have paid more attention to ebola in the past. one of the things you bring up in your article after your conversation with your friend had sierra leone, he's concerned the long term consequences could even be worse. assuming that we contain this outbreak that the devastation over there is that the consequences in the long term could be even worse. >> well, there certainly have the potential for terrible economic consequences as a result of this. we've already seen a hollowing out of medical human capital which you just discussed, the death and disease actually struck the medical first responders if you will and to me at least that only redoubles the need to be committed to human capital investment in africa. because ultimately education is the bedrock on which economies and cities rest. and indeed you know right now we are thinking about medical response that involves lots of western doctors coming in and i
think that's appropriate for the foreseeable future. one of the visions of shock and awe is that we have enough teams to overwhelm the epidemic in the short stages. but in the long run we surely want africa to have a robust medical establishment filled with medical doctors and we should be committed to helping africans do that themselves. >> you and your friend are already concerned about the ma malnutrition that already exists, there's less farming and more famine. edward glazer, hard of university, thank you for joining us. now for more stories around the world. we begin in hong kong, when an attack of protesters bring them
to be emboldened. after the attacks protesters called off a scheduled meeting with government leaders saying the authorities did little to nothing to stop the attacks. one protest leaders said at this point it is very, very difficult to maintain any sense of dialogue if the government does not stop these things happening to peaceful protesters. 19 men were arrested and police were eventually able to restore order but the situation remains tense. next we head to stockholm, sweden, where the newly placed prime minister, said a two state solution requires multiple recognition and a will to peaceful co-existence. sweden will therefore recognize the state of palestine. expected to join 130 countries that already recognize the palestinian state but it will be
the first country in the european union to do so after becoming a member. the country recognized the country in 2012 but hasn't made it an official member yet. good news sort of. the bureau of labor statistics added 240,000 new jobs were added in september. the good news is that the unemployment rate dropped to 5.9%, the first time it's been below 6% since 2008. the bad news, the people looking for work dropped 97,000 people, the number lowest since 1998. that's some of what's happening around the world. i.s.i.l, terrorists behead an aid worker. and they're about to overtake
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>> coalition bombing isn't doing much, with i.s.i.l. said to be less than a mime away the kurdish commander in kobani told the reuters news agencies, no reenforcements have reached us and the borders are closed. my expectation is for general killing massacres and destruction. meanwhile i.s.i.l. released a individual ya, said to depict peter henning being beheaded.
a decorated combat veteran, mike always good to see you. let's start with something pentagon rarm are rarl rear admiral had to say. >> we are constantly monitoring it. >> are u.s. air strikes failing? not only have they not stopped i.s.i.l. here, i.s.i.l. seems to be on the move. >> they're not failing. the whole movement is strategic. they shouldn't be in kobani because those are targets of opportunity. but given twitter and social media, it's clear there's a crisis going on. >> the yazidi ton mountain that could be a sar situation. sorties. there is no ground faction no forward forces are there.
they're not taking a chance to hit something they shouldn't be hitting. >> is this an example of the limitations of just doing this by air? >> exactly. the same situation happened inside iraq, we had ground forces there, working closely with the peshmerga you have a much better result. >> kobani is right on the turkish border, by ride on the turkish border, right up on the turkish -- you can see what's going on in syria when you are in turkey. at the same time the turkish defense minister kind of backed off and said there wouldn't be any immediate action and against they've got tanks right there. these tanks are seeing what's happening across the border. >> turkey is talking a good game but not responding. one thing they could do is get equipment supplies some ammunition to these resistance fighters inside kobani. but i think there's a situation there where they've repelled
multiple attacks, the tanks on the other side. this could be a down side by i.s.i.s, the fact that they canned take the town and hold it, this is not going to be mosul, this could be a real problem for i.s.i.s. to try to hold that town if they get in. >> and turkey if they decided to get in they could get rid of i.s.i.l. pretty quickly. >> absolutely. from the ground forces they have the capability to surround it and protect it. they are concerned by turkish forces going in there, creating a quagmire. potential to be attacked, nato to be involved, there's so many unintended consequences should turkey do that. >> talking about unintended questions, assad has threatened, that if you take action inside syria, it would be considered an
act of war, but the turks wand to get rid of assad. >> they do. at the same time this is the first time you see the turks helping the kurds as well. they perceive them as an existential threat to turkey. >> there could be good news, aleppo which is syria's biggest city has been mostly in control of varying insurgent groups and now, it's -- i don't know if you call this good news because it's the syrian government who of course nobody is very happy about but the syrian government seems to be making inroads so i.s.i.l. may not be as strong as we thought. >> from the syrian president's
point he does want to -- the president's point he does want to get rid of i.s.i.l. inside syria. >> and apparently i.s.i.l. has been kicked out of a town just north of baghdad, by iraq iraqi forces but it seems the people really active in doing this were shia militia and not iraqi forces and sunni tribes men, this is the second time we've heard of soofn tribe -- sunni tribes men cooperating with shia but abad news iraqi forces can't do this themselves. >> wild wild west. the shia militia don't know where they're going to turn, have much more of a coalition effect internal to iraq to fight these forces there. >> is all of this a real indication of just how badly
i.s.i.l. was underestimated, not just back months, but the estimates of how many people they had, fighting as combat forces, these guys are -- the amount of territory where they're fighting and they're involved is tremendous. >> we've violated this military rule of reactive. we are reacting to what they're doing. they're on the offensive. they control what's going on on the ground. we think initially we just watched them on the ground and say, are they really taking those towns? >> clearly it's much, much more than that. >> they initially said they wanted to take ground. they were not al qaeda. they had different goals and objectives. we just kept saying are they really moving forward? sure enough they were, they had these towns and took the equipment around the way. >> now this horrible beheading, of the british aid worker and an american is threatened to be beheaded. they are butchers and i'm not
sure they are aware of how angry they're making the rest of the world. >> we've got to do something about this. i know this is a former soldier the next one in the video, let's hope cia, we have got intelligence and do some kind of rescue mission. we need a real win right now to get that stop i think. >> mike rhine lyons, good to have you with -- mike lyons, good to have you with us. in his book worthy fights, leon panetta blames united states, according to him, are hillary clinton and others urged more support for the rebels but president obama rejected the advice.
i'm joined by michael shore, good to see you, panetta is not pulling purchase, he's claiming that the warehouse staff had more intelligence than senior defense and intelligence advisors, those on our side viewed the white house so eager to rid itself of iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our interests. the excerpts from this book he's saying that the white house put politics over policy. >> it is a sense you get and it's a little bit different than the tune that leon panetta was singing in 2011 in the senate armed services committee. he spoke a little bit differently than what the pages of this book and i should say i haven't read the book but the "time" magazine article which is excerpted from the book i did read. and he is striking a tone. he is also trying osell a book
but the tone he is striking is divisive. he said we had this block of people and the most noticeable name there is that of hillary clinton who thought it circulate have gone this way. >> and the quote i just read was the fact that he wrote i.t. as those on our side. >> right. >> that's a very odd thing for a defense secretary to say. >> right, everything but the ready for hillary button on his lapel. i think you have to not take any of that with a grain of salt, that's not right way to put it. but as leon paintta, and others in his area said, there was a difference between what the administration wanted and what the defense department wanted. but to crick exactly what they were saying, panetta cps thesis is that we wanted to go down to
allow some troops to remain there. but the iraqis were saying in order to do that we would have to interfere with iraqi politics and panetta said we didn't want to do that, they are a sovereign nation. it's interesting how he would strike that balance in the book. >> he said this, i believe that a small u.s. troop presence in iraq could have effectively advised iraq on the rising issues in iraq. they wanted to get out of iraq and they badly underestimated the threats of i.s.i.l. >> there's been a blind spot when it comes to iraq and looking at what panetta was saying, there was something status of force agreement, to give immunity to the troops in
iraq if some were to remain. maliki and bush had all arranged this they would be out of there in 2011, started with obama 2010. whether we could have actually as america i'm talk about leon panetta and barack obama together, would have gotten there to say you are going to have to work with the iraqi parliament to make sure -- >> and one argues that they could have. syria how the president backed off the red line you know that if the syrians used chemical weapons that we would go. he said that damaged american credibility. panetta is sounding a lot like republicans, lindsay graham has piled on, they issued a statement, as we have said, all along, now confirmed the obamas
neveobamaadministration never ml effort to leave a residual force in iraq. these arguments were very heated within the administration. so the political question for you there's long been criticism that this white house is too insular. has a lesson been lermd? learned? >> i don't know if a lesson has been learned antonio. it is a valid criticism. panetta what you're talking about now, when a president draws a red line and backs away from it, there have to be a questionable situation there. someone who wants to talk about this going forward politically and aligning himself he did work with bill clinton in both of his terms, he is a supporter of hillary clinton, that's where the politics is. to try to begin the differentiation between the department of defense and the department of state and the administration they just served
as one of them makes an end run. >> which hillary herself began with her book and those recent criticisms of the obama foreign policy. >> that's absolutely right antonio. john mccain has worth the fighting for and this book is called worthy fight. maybe he's trying to get a.m.son searches from john mccain too. >> senior military advisors and intelligence advisors, gates was criticized pretty handily, we've talked about hillary clinton speaking out critically about this, in retrospect was it fair to criticize gates? would anyone have raised their voice against this? >> it breaks with precedent. precedent is, you don't write
these tell all books while the president is in office. scott mcclelland wrote a book that was very, very critical of the president but it was well after obama had become president. so i think that you know there's no rule against it. it's a question of taste. but what you do lose here when a president is still in office is you lose the other side. because there are people in the defense department who actually dispute leon paintta. >> now you have gates and panetta and critical mass -- >> they are the ones who are selling the books antonio, every book has a hook. >> his claim that the president didn't listen to his top military advisors will damage his history? military leaders giving presidents bad advice from vietnam to iraq.
>> it's obviously too early to tell. nobody's been right on iraq and to presume that leon panetta was the first person who was absolutely correct on iraq, it wasn't pursued because he didn't seem to want to pursue it as his testimony dictated. he said they are a sovereign nation, why we went to iraq was to make them a free and sovereign nation. to say we circulate have toll them what to do goes against our original mission. it's a continuation of a messy thing. >> thanks. finding out what's trending on the net. hermella. >> selfies have made their way into an important ritual. hajj, that muslims are required to make at least once. it's supposed to be the religious high point of a muslim's life and considered sacred.
therefore, saudi arabians don't allow photographs at the mosque or around it. but lately officials have relaxed the rule and a lot of people are snapping selfies on they say this is not about boasting or showing off. some people on social media agree with that. at stranger earth on at which timer says, take your selfies about tranquility. and the hajj is all about overcoming yourself but some people are saying it's being blown out of proportion. ahmad says, as long as it's constant and for memorializing a memorable trip. today the religious journey being taken between october 2nd and 7th. tweet your suggestions to taj.
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newly declassified documents found that during the ford administration, henry kissinger drew up plans to smash cast strowe, it may have been our most dangerous times with the island's communist government after the cuban missile crisis a decade before. after the administration supported cloak and dagger efforts to overthrow cast strow , directs the cuba documentation project at the national security archive at george washington university. peter good to have you with us. you uncover an amazing history here, you describe an april owe apoplectic henry cifn
kissinger, saying, i think we have to clobber them. how serious was kissinger over attacking cuba and provoking a crisis with the soviet union? >> he was insulted and insensed with the idea that a small caribbean nation can actually project military force through the deployment of thousands of military troops far away to the continent of africa and undercut kissinger's kind of grand plan for u.s. influence in that continue nent . not to mention on the side of apartheid regime,ing fighting the militants of the anticolonial government of mpla in angola. against cia backed and south
africa backed forces and castro in his third world solidarity and anticolonial solidarity, kissinger could not believe it. only the united states and the soviet union in his mind should be the ability and right to send forces in other parts of the world. and he couldn't believe it for one others reason: he had just spent 18 months putting out an olive branch to fidel castro for better relationship with the united states, a series of secret meetings that he had actually initiated to normalize relations with cuba. this is how fidel castro repaid that gesture, mitigating fidel castro going around the world asserting cuban influence. >> kissinger's plan wasn't ever put into effect because jimmy carter was elected president and
it became moot. back channel negotiations with cuba, you argue that every single president has negotiated through cuba, through back channels and a whole assortment of back documents. >> contingency planning to attack cuba, the bay of pigs invasion, the threat to obliterate cuba during the cuban missile crisis, the cia assassination plots, now henry kissinger's plans to go to war against cuba. this whole book the untold side of this 55 years, is that there have been almost constant communications, every president since eisenhower has talked to castro, whether it's fidel
castro or raul castro, several presidents have taken efforts to normalize relations with cuba, secret relations. we haven't established that yet. >> when you talk about this, code books for conversations, cuba was seen as an issue so sensitive that the united states governmental was actually trying to avoid having our own doing. >> that's right. we detail in the book, william leo grand and myself we detail in the book how on several occasions communications were so sensitive that u.s. officials had to basically deceive their own colleagues about what they were doing. and at one point an order went to the national security agency to avoid listening in on specific phones of various officials who were engaged
in talks with cuba. that's how sensitive the cuba issue has been. our effort to do this book was to say look, this is a history that needs to be known and therefore less sense stiff so barack obama doesn't feel he too has to resort to cloak and dagger communication with cuba. why not have an open dialogue with raul castro's cuba and least leave it at that. >> sabotaging efforts at negotiations, you argue that fidel was motivated by that, you know, by that ability of using the u.s. as a bogey man and maintain the acrimonious relationship. but raul in power has not. but has raul been that conciliatory himself? >> first of all i have to challenge your kind of -- your
presentation there, you sound more like hillary clinton and the way she's now talking about the need to lift the embargo so the cubans don't have excuses and can't blame the embargo. she hearst said my husband tried to normalize relations but castro doesn't want normalized relations. but that's not what the history in the book shows. even after the bay of pigsth vacation fidel castro pragmatically approached one president after the other, offering peaceful co-existence, based on mutual respect for the countries, and that cuba had a revolution that it was going to have its political system it had chosen and no longer under the imperial thumb of the united states of america. on that basis cuba has been
willing since 1959, 1960, 1961, all the way until today, to have a peaceful co-existence with the united states and normal relations. >> i know, i think you'll find hillary clinton and others might want to argue that point a bit. >> bring them on, i'm ready. i've got their own documents. >> don't say the relations with cuba will come to head next spring because there's the summit of americas, and panama is going, which the hasn't in the past because of united states objections. back channel to cuba, your book. >> thank you. >> coming up how young is too young to start your children working out? hundreds of thousands of kids now have personal trainers. brieking down -- breaking down our cost for the war against i.s.i.l. in our data dive.
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>> today's data dive looks at the cost of war. america's fight against i.s.i.l. is a relative bargain compared to a war in afghanistan but it is still costing a bundle. u.s.a. today took a look and found the new offensive is rubbing up a bill between -- running up a bill between 7 and $10 million a day. the pentagon's budget for operation enduring freedom was nearly $78 billion, more than 20 times as much as we are spej bombing iraq and -- spending bombing iraq and syria. every tomahawk and cruise missile cost $1.1 million. costing the
pentagon more than 728,000. just flying war planes is very pricey. the cost of an average bomber for just one hour in the air, $10,000. b-2 stealth bottomers, afternoon hour in flight cost $55,000, and that doesn't consider the cost of the bombs. the most expensive part of the operation is deploig the military -- deploying the military personnel needed to carry out the mission. coming up, do you know millions of american children have personal trainers? the safety risk of having children young as 3 going to the gym for workouts.
>> would you believe that over 160,000 children in the united states under 16 have personal trainers? we know that children are cawd in caught in the obesity epidemic something michelle obama is trying to change. a certified skill building fitness gain. it sounds like fun. i'm not sure personal trainers
for kids sound like fun . this number is triple what was in 2009. what's going on? >> it's a little crazy, we're getting a little crazy with exports. i have two boys myself, five and eight. they are specializing and getting hurt as a result. >> do you think that's what's motivating this? >> a lot of parents out there think their kids are going to be the next tiger woods, they want that to happen. there's a lot of competition to have your kid be the best at that sport. so that's part of it. what can i do to get him even better? >> even better at tennis, baseball and golf? do you think that's the motivation? on the trainer side? >> it's not the safety side. we don't want joey to be injury-free, we want joey to be as good as possible. >> you don't think it's as much about the obesity epidemic?
>> i don't think, i wish we could say that. >> what about this cross fit, it has been very popular and successful. you have cross fit for kids, kids as young as three doing some much these programs in gyms. >> i think cross fit for kids, a lot of exercise physiologists will find it problematiccatic. there's a lot of injury in cross fit itself then we extrapolate that down to the kids. >> you say they're pushing them, there's not the time component, it's more about having fun. >> right. >> you don't believe it? >> i saw the picture for the kids was a girl four or five years old on a rogue machine. that was the picture to kind of set the -- on a rowing machine. in my opinion that's still very aggressive . >> so this is not just you know like my gym or the indoor gyms that people
in inner cities take their kids to? bit. >> do you think that could be a problem william. >> i think it is. five and eight, i don't have them strength training. i spent my life -- spend my life strength training. not until at least ten years old and then very limited. you have to get the neural connections to the muscles. even adults have problems, an adult goes to a gym and has problems learning how to lift. a six or seven-year-old don't have basic accordance yet oso that's really problematic. >> he was hanging from something or pushing something up but weights is something kids should not be doing until they hit puberty, right? >> the research is different. they are worried about it strengthening -- stunting your growth.
six years old, i disagree that you can start strength-training. i disagree. >> with weights? >> yes. i find that ridiculously early. >> you aren't going to really build much muscle so it seems like it makes little sense besides the stunting growth issue. >> about building bone injury about preventing injury about neuromuscular coordination. i still think play a bunch of different sports, learn skill acquisition through play, not through organized strength training. i think ten, 11 years old sure, especially when you are playing sports aggressively but it should be minimal. >> go to the playground do their thing and then a little older team sports is where we go. >> that's where we get good. i've had the good foch fortune to
interview people. most would attribute playing many differently sports to their success. they became good athletes by not sitting in a weight room lifting. i don't think michael phelps was weight lifting at 6. maybe he was. >> that brings up a whole lot of questions for parents that they need to think about. tom holland great to have you with us. >> that's all for now. but next week on "consider this," vladimir putin a book on him that was so controversial the publisher was afraid to release it. we'll hear from rising minority stars on the left and right about why they think each of their parties is reaching their parties. the conversation continues @ajconsiderthis. you can can tweet me @amora.tv.