tv Real Money With Ali Velshi Al Jazeera October 22, 2014 7:00pm-8:01pm EDT
can tell you that ali velshi is covering this store any great detail coming up in minutes at the top of the hour, i am tony hair let new york, we'll see you back here tomorrow. >> a canadian soldier shot dead in parliament. the gunman killed. and there are possibly other shooters out there. ottawa is on lockdown, tonight, the very latest like you won't see anywhere else. i've work in the the parliament building, and i know the players, and tonight we'll talk to them. i'm ali velshi. and this is "real money."
parts of downtown ottawa remain in a state of lockdown tonight after violence in the capital city a province of ontario, 60 miles from the border. nathan zarillo was shot and killed by a man witnesses said had a scarf over his face. soon after, a gunman entered the parlment building where witnesses heard dozens of gunshots. a gunman died in the shootout, and his name is michael zehof-bibeau. others credit 58-year-old kevin vickers with shooting the attacker. there were reports that the police were hunting for other suspects, but the police have not confirmed that. all of this two days after a
radicalized islamic convert killed two police. >> she's now the permanent observer for the united nations for the interparliamentary union. but before i talk to patty, i want to talk to the man whose ultimate responsibility it was for the safety. meter mcmillen was the speaker of the house for parliament and the question that comes up today is the issue of the permitter around parliament. what you're looking at here is the national war memorial. that's where the first shooting took place, blue it's across a busy road of a main intersection of ottawa.
[ audio difficulties ] a short distance to the entrance of parliament. and that's where it gets a lot more complicated. peter millic an served as the speaker of the house for a decade, making him the longest speaker in history. peter, i was with you in 1988. when you first got elected. [ audio difficulties ] you and i go way back. back.
staff. and they have to go through a more central place where they're often scanned. and i understand that -- i'm not familiar with it, because i haven't been through that myself. but i think their luggage or briefcases or purses get scanned as well. >> i was there recently. and i don't have any clearance x. it was like an airport situation. you had to open your pockets and if you had a bag, you had to go through. this happened at 10:00 wednesday morning, and on wednesday morning at parliament it's a busy, busy time because all of the members generally speaking are there because it's the day that the caucuses meet. >> yes, and the caucuses are wednesday morning, and the house doesn't sit until 2:00. >> so it's as busy as it's going to be. >be. that would be accurate. >> is this something as a nation or a parliamentary issue. >> it's a national issue, and
it's something that needs some examination. we don't know that, not that i'm aware of. >> peter millicon is the former speaker of the house of commons in canada. the longest serving speaker of the house of commons. patty, from 2003 to 2006, she's now the permanent observer of the united nations for the union, and patty, good to see you with us. if this gun manage, who no one would have guessed can get through the first barrier of security, but if he goes running down the hall, and you saw him chased by the police, where would he have gone, and
who could have better than in his way? >> that door would have been closed unless opened by motion detector, so he was probably cornered in that space, and we have just been discussing, it's a hallway that has two very large rooms off of it. where many members of the caulks would have been meeting from 8:00 to noon. >> so somebody could go down that haw and take a turn on the left or right, and you might end up with a room full of a bunch of members of marl. >> and senators. >> and wednesday morning would have been one of the busiest mornings? >> there were probably 200 people in each of those rooms. >> would you ever guess this is possible. >> well, if somebody comes quickly through the doors, stewart is very good, and they would have tried to stop, it's pretty rare that you see a gunman coming in. you recall that there was a time when people had much more
access through various doors, but when someone tried to drive into parliament, barricades were added. and after 9-1-1, it changed dramatically, and people were forced to come in downstairs. he came rushing at people and managed to go through quickly, which also speaks to the skill of all of the security, they act the rather quickly toker corner him. >> you were in parliament in 1993 to 2006. right through the 2000 to 9-1-1 stuff, where canada had to think about it. and there was some debate about this. i was talking to peter mill ken about this. and the guards did not require weaponry. some were required to have guns and batons, and there was some objection from members of parliament, we don't need this, intimidating and it creates a bad dense. >precedence. >> you want to create a
presence war it is the house of commons, where people can speak to the house of commons. it's very similar. >> it's a very different feeling. you think that it's as secure as it likely could be? >> with the exception of seeing a lot more guns outside of the castle and outside, you go to meet with a congressperson, and you it walk through a door, and again, there are x-ray machines, and if somebody wanted to rush on past those individuals, it would have felt very similar to what's happening here. >> do you see this as an isolated event that can be fixed by security around parliament? or do you think that this is something more serious. >> well, god, ali, i hope that is an isolated event. my heart goes out to the sergeant who was killed. he's from hamilton, and i went to high school in hamilton, and
this time of year, this is right before november 11th, where thousands of people will gather to remember those soldiers who have served our country, so it's a great concern about what happens there, and what happens right across the country. this is the second soldier who has been killed,. >> the first was motivated by politics, and there's speculation around canada today and around the united states that was this one too? and if it's true, that in the course of one week, you are seeing officials and military targeted, canadians are going to have to think a little different. >> as i was coming here, i saw one news report that said this person as well had had his passport revoked, so the police have been watching radicalized youth, and it's heartbreaking that this could happen in our country. i do hope that this is the end of it, and my heart goes out to the families, and to the sergeant of arms.
killing somebody,. >> peter milliken points out that here and in canada, associated with safety. >> but are they ready to do the job when 24th need to do it? >> he was a 28 year veteran of the rcmp, he was very well equipped. >> and i understand that another guard outside of the caucus rooms was injured as well. >> he was shot in the leg, and the people in hospital have been released but in fact, two people are dead in ottawa. patty, good to talk to you. a former member of the canadian parliament and a permanent observer to the united nations. patty t. stick around with me because we have developing news. we're about to hear from the prime minister of canada very shortly. so if you don't mind staying. there's much more, stay with us.
the to talk more about what today's violence in ottawa says about security in canada. with diane francis, the author of merger of the century white canada should be one country, among a dozen books that she has written. she joins me from toronto, and we are joined by patty, and we are waiting comment from stephen harper, the prime minister of canada any moment. diane, earlier you tweeted that soldiers in quebec were being instructed not to wear their uniforms in public. and patty and i were just talking about an incident on monday where somebody started two canadian soldiers, one was killed. and it turns out this may have
been a radicalized individual. what do you know about this, and what does this all feel like to you? >> well, the protocol to not wear your uniform was a direct affect of the fact that two soldiers were run down in quebec. one died and the other got injured. and of course the suspect was shot after a high-speed car choice. i think we're going to find, and it looks like it's developing, though we don't know, that we have another radicalized situation, and we have been warned around the world, this is before canada decided to send their manpower, that there were manchurian candidates all over the world, who were radicalized and wanting to go and help isis, and we have something in australia, and we had something in britain recently, and i
think we may find that canada is the first victim. for the immigration system for many years, we have had a number of results and problems as a result of that. but we haven't properly screened people from certain hot spots. but what i'm saying is also, it would appear that 100 radicalized canadians are fighting with isis, and 100 americans. considering that we have 10 times the population, we have ten times the proportion of radicalized people in this country, in canada. and that's a big concern to me. >> patty, you're disagreeing with this? >> i don't know if either of these individuals are immigrants. if this is about radicalized youth, we need to deal with them, no matter where they're
born, if they're living in canada and part of our canadian society, we have to deal with that issue, and i don't believe -- >> >> so what do we do with this case? the guy on monday who ran down soldiers -- >> but he was radicalized by iman or some temple or whatever, on some website. but the point is, we have had a number of incidents of radicalizations involving muslim imams and temples, and let's not forget the biggest terrorist act before 9-1-1 was air india, and that was radicalization of another religion. a religious dispute. >> wha what do you do with that? that doesn't fall under immigration. you were right, and clearly canada has what appears to be as i've been thinking about
those kinds of things in canada, a slightly disproportionate type of things, but none of them are solved by immigration? what policy solves the fact that they get radicalized in canada? it's on the internet. and they're getting it wherever they're getting it from. >> well, it's the internet, but there are groups that are entrenched in canadian society, and american society. british and french, radical people that are doing this, and somehow they got into the country. i think it's a lot better now, because what's happening, these events, these radicalizing, there have been a number of arrests and a lot of deportations as a result of what's happening. >> do you know about this imam in particular? in fact, everything that i
read, the imam was working with the police a couple of days ago. so i don't like the fact that we -- >> i'm talking about radical leaders. >> but it doesn't relate to immigration. >> so what is the -- there's a problem. you're saying that it doesn't relate to immigration. but the radicalization, whether it's in canada or the united states, or the united states or the uk. that's a real problem. >> what's going on with these youth that they think this is the answer for their future. this is a real problem, and we need to deal with those issues. why are they being attracted to it! it? >> what's the policy prescription for it? on the other hand, you would like to say there's not youth unemployment. but something is getting to people. >> the parents have been asking for help, and there's something psychological going on. recognizing -- i just came back from europe and met with parliament members from around
the world. and asked if they had been into canada. and they said no, canada is the toughest place to get into. >> just recently. >> no, in general, diane. >> this is an interspection of cults and radical forces, and people who are mentally deranged or upset. this is what isil is very good at recruiting. >> they're very effective at it, and all of the videos that i've seen -- we might be getting ahead of ours. we don't have enough information about who this is. but we know the guy on monday who ran down two canadian soldiers was radicalized and he was headed to turkey to join isil. but the fact is, diane, they are associated with these people. we can call them fools. the guy who tried to light his underpants on fire, or want it guy that -- we need a policy
prescription that is more involved than cops running across a lawn in front of the white house or in parliament in canada, what do you suggest that is? >> i think that these kinds of forces have been around in history for a long time. and that's not to excuse it. look, the analogy to isis, and some say that it's isis, it's only 15, 20,000 people. and hitler's brown shirt only numbered 15-20,000, very deranged and strange, and very ruthless psychopathic people. these people can make a huge difference and cause misery for millions. >> absolutely, and i think it sounds like from what i read, and again we don't know everything at this point, but it sounds like again, this fellow's passport had been seized again, and they are doing something, and we need to figure out how much more effort on these individuals and what
kind of surround we need. it sounds like, from the monday incident, they had passports seized and working with the police, and they were trying to deescalate all of this, and perhaps we need to figure out what is the mental health response to get people to this it system well before it gets to this stage. my goodness, this is terrible. >> we've people here every time there's a gun attack. we pig if out and then it loses it's urgency, and then we're back to square one. stay with us, paddy sorensen, former member for canada and permanent server to the united nationsed. stay with us, we'll be back in just 27 minutes.
>> our special coverage continues on aljazeera america. katherine clarke is the host of the tv show, beyond politics, and she's the daughter of canadian prime minister, joe clarke. and she joins me via skype from ottawa, and katherine, you're there, and you live in ottawa. tell us what the mood is like in ottawa, and the people with whom you've been speaking. >> hi, ali, it's a tense mood here in ottawa. we have had a difficult day. and i think that all residents of ottawa feel a tremendous sadness at the loss of life that occurred when one of our canadian forces soldiers was murdered. but i think more than that, it has impacted people just across the city. for instance, my own colleagues have been in lock down on
parliament hill for the entire day. and our neighbor has been locked in her office the entire day. my children were locked into their schools in full security mold the full day. so this has really had a very direct impact our lives of people here in ottawa. >> diane francis, you are an interesting case. you know, paddy and i are both from canada and we live here in new york, and you are american born. >> and you are canadian and a citizen, and you understand both cultures quite well. but the one place -- canadians and americans are very similar. as much as we like to distinguish ourselves from each other, but the one way we're similar, to americans, they lost their innocence on september 11th, 2001. and they lost the ability to believe that this can't happen here f i'm not sure that canadians fully did. is this some sort of a turning
point from what cath rib describes -- look, a love ottawa, but it's described as a sleepy town, and it's not something that canadians think can happen. >> well, canadians are extremely informed about what's going on in the world. much more so than americans in general. but i think this is the most high-profile terrorist attacks to hit canada. we intervened and prevented many of them, including the refugee from al injuria who started the first al qaeda cell and wanted to blow up the l.a. airport in 1999. that didn't happen, and we had the railway plot a year ago after the boston marathon. yes, i think you're right. i think this is get realtime, canada. we have actually disproportionately -- not in absolute numbers, but we have
disproportionally, that people have access to on the internet, with bombs and that sort of thing. and the other thing too, let's remember, whatever we have to do in canada, just like the americans, because if the americans don't clean it up, it's a danger to us, and visa versa. >> katherine clarke, you are a host, a daughter of a prime minister, and you know ottawa well. but you're canadian. and canadians don't have that terrorism bug, and it's not top of mind for most canadians. do you believe this is a psychological shifting point? is it a tipping point for
canadians, or are you and those around you hoping this is a one off and it's not happening again. >> obviously we hope it's a one off and doesn't happen again, but i can tell you, canadians are not naive, we're known to be a peaceful people. and we're a peaceful country. and we recognize that we are, like all countries in the world, at risk of terrorist attacks, and as far as we know, nothing has been confirmed, but that seems to be what has happened here in ottawa today. it is, indeed an awakening if i can use that word for canadians, and it happened in ottawa city, which is a very safe and peaceful city, and it's a shock for everyone. >> well, i think that the demonstration and response today demonstrates that a, we're not naive --. >> it didn't look like we were not prepared. >> no, we have had mass
shootings in montreal. and we have seen our share. but you know, i just spent my first 9-1-1 here in new york, and i walked down and i was surprised that no one commented anywhere. of course we saw the empire state and the buildings and sacks had a memorium in the window, but i was surprised that no one mentioned anything, and for me, it was such a significant day where things did change. so again, security has changed in ottawa. and people are aware that there's a risk so, i don't think we're naive. i think that we are concerned, and i certainly hope that we have not lost all of the things that make us open and united and what have you, and this place will still be accessible to individuals to come and talk to members of parliament as they should. >> this is an ongoing debate about how we keep our public places, where decisions are made about our liberty,
politics" the daughter of a former canadian prime minister. and do you have memories of when your dad was in parliament? >> my memories of when he was prime minister are blurry, because i was pretty young, but he served as foreign affairs minister many years after that, but i have many memories of growing up. >> there was always security. and i remember very clearly, every time i would walk in, dadding saluted at the member's entrance, and for years and years, you could actually drive right up. i remembering driven by mum or other people up to parliament hill to be dropped off. but however, that did change. there was an incident there,
many years ago, when a person hijacked a greyhound bus and took it up to the lawns of parliament hill and another person drove a jeep up to gain entrance, and at that point, they stopped traffic on the hill and vehicles. so there's enhanced security x members must wear pins on their lapels to identify them as senators, and people need specific paxes to sign n and i've gone through the security checkpoint there with my children, with visiting guests who want to see the parliament building. there's a security system in place, and i think we can see that despite the fact that the person was able to gain entrance to the parliament building, he did not get much further than the front door. >> katherine, i want to give you a new develop: a man jumped the white house fence,
on the north side of the white house. according to a spokesman for the secret service, dogs got him. and we'll bring you more on that as we have it, but this is something that we have been discussing all day. it brings to mind the security breaches. parliament operates differently than the white house does. but the white house has a perimeter around it and a gate. it's much like parliament. you can walk right up to it. there are ottawa police, and on the grounds, it's monitored by the rcmp, and inside, it's parliamentary police and guards, but the fact is s. it's a public face, and paddy dorsey makes this point. you want it to be a public
space, and now we see dangers. >> bum the analogy with the white house would be if somebody jumps the fence, and it did ham. and they got right into the prime minister's home after a funeral, so it was -- you know, the congress is open to people, and you can get in, and you don't have to say where you're going. all you have to do is go in and get your stuff x-rayed and walk up. >> your pointing, canadians are not so naive. >> in canada, you have to say where you're going, and you can't just walk in. and i'm worried that school children don't get in anymore, because they will say security takes too long but they need to come in and see for parliament at work. >> mike viqueira on the phone,
and you're kidding me, right? >> given everything that happened in the last 24 hours, you can imagine the security sensitivity. our cameraman for aljazeera america, steve washington, was coming back into the fence to prepare for a live shot that i was going to do at 8:00, and here's what he saw. a man jumped the fence, not far from where omar gonzales, the last individual to do so six weeks ago, jumped the fence and moved toward the north portico of the white house x. this time, the u.s. secret service deployed the dogs, and the secret service was able to apprehend this gentleman, the individual that steve washington saw with the help of the dogs. the white house now on lockdown, and the secret service is sorting it out. another fence jumper, ali. >> this brings us to paddy, and the daughter of the former prime minister of canada and
host, about the access. you remember the day when the white house was a lot more taupe to people. >> that's absolutely right. and it's a continuing topic of conversation, given what happened with omar gonzales. there were interim measures that were in place, and a double fence around the white house, the white house compound is largely ornamental, really. it has spikes on the top, not really sharpened spikes, but they added a row, i don't know, 10 feet from that, toward the street to keep the public a little bit further out. but these are just bicycle racks, the bicycle rack barricades that the people are familiar with, and the individual got over that, got over the fence, and made it i guess, judging from steve's description, to the fountain there, a third of the way to the portico.
but what didn't happen last time, happened this time. the secret service deployed their dogs and brought the man down. >> that's unbelievable. mike, i want to talk to you about the day's events separate from this, and i want to thank catherine clarke. i hope that everybody gets out of lockdown in ottawa. and paddy torn see, great to talk to you. and it's certainly unusual that all of this is happening on the same day. in a moment, i'm going to speak to an eyewitness who was there in ottawa when it all went down. stay with aljazeera america.
>> omar pash echo is a journalist for cbc in ottawa. and omar joins me now on the phone. opeomar, where were you when it happened. >> downtown. an office building, an undercover car was just racing like in a hollywood movie down metcalfe street here, and turning the corner down to the war memorial. i went to see what happened. and i got there just after the
shots had been fired. and people were seeing what happened. but the shooter approached. we had two guards, and they approached one of them and shot him, he hijacked the car and the parliament, that's where the whole pursuit took place. but obviously, total chaos. like something we have never seen to this degree in downtown ottawa. >> and it's fair to say that the war memorial is the center of town in ottawa. you needed to it tell somebody to meet new the center of the city, the memorial would be a logical place to say, let's meet. it's very central. >> it's very central. it's about 200 meters, 3 blocks away from downtown ottawa and
market street. it's in between the market district and the central business district. so it's very much the center of town, 100 meters away from the parliament building. >> and that's the important thing, the gunman allegedly stole a car to get to parliament. and you could have easily have run there. but he was clearly destined. what have you heard about how all that transpired? >> somebody, it's interesting, i was speaking to a retired general of the armed forces, and he said it's not so common for us here, but to create a massive distraction, there was somebody dead on the ground of the war memorial and everybody is rushing to the scene of the war memorial, and he might have gotten lost in the fray by the time he got in the car.
that was ground zero, parl hill. and possibly being the main target. but the war memorial being a distraction. >> the speaker of the house of commons, he was saying that the interesting thing about the policing on capitol hill, the permitter is ottawa police, and the grounds are the rcmp. and the buildings are parliamentary guards. so in fact, it has be an effective addition trax if that were want aim, because if someone were shot at the war memorial, 100 meters away, there's this large gathering of law enforcement who would logically head that way if they needed to. so the aim would have been to drain some of the resources away from parliament. >> at this point, they say its still speculation, but it seems
like a logical strategy. >> by the way, when you say the police are saying little, in the united states, we are used to the police saying quite a bit right at the beginning, and a lot of people have been surprised listening to the press conference today that in fact very little is said. and that's relatively typical in canada. >> it is, actually. in these cases, you don't hear a lot. they like to keep their investigation under wraps, not a lot coming out and even to the point where people are getting frustrated today. at one point, there was speculation that there was a second shooter or even a third, and police at some point had backed away for three blocks, because the police, to their own knowledge, they were so much in the dark with the officers on the ground, to their knowledge, they believe there was another shooter on one of the rooftops of a building downtown. so even for them, the
information was very unclear, but again, we don't often get that much information at the press conference. but many buildings downtown are still under lock down, including our building, which is a partial lock down. >> we have been hearing word that certainly in quebec, ontario borders, and some soldiers have been told, don't wear your uniforms in public. this weekend, a person was run down, and then this incident, these soldiers who guard the war memorial, the ceremonial guard, they are in full dress uniform, is that correct? >> that's correct, yeah. >> omar, this continues to be a developing story, and thank you for representing us out with some of it. omar pacheco is a reporter for the cbc.
>> president barack obama was briefed on the security issues, and mike viqueira is at the white house today. we have heard all sorts of things. everything in canada, nothing happens in isolation, when bad things happen, before anybody really figured out what those bad things are, someone in the u.s. is reacting to it. and tell us what happened. we know what happened in ottawa, and what was going on in washington? >> you're absolutely right, ali. it goes to the geographical and cultural affinity that these two countries have. he was on the phone with stephen harper, and just as
soon as he could. so it's very sketchy, something that we heard from president obama, from the oval office, he spoke very briefly about this. the details are sketchy right now, and ov no obviously, the cn in washington, from our canadian friend, is this something, and is there another shoe that's going to drop from much in there, and is it going to involve washington or another major american city? no details, but they're sketchy, and you can bet the fbi or homeland security is looking into this as well. >> let's listen to what president obama said. >> it's very port for us to recognize that when it comes to
dealing with terrorist activity, that canada and the united states have to be entirely in sync, and we have been so in the past and i'm confident we will be in the future. >> he used the term, terrorist activity. and anybody who shoots a member of the military and busts into parliament is a terrorist. buff what was happening? norad was on the ready, and they're always on the ready. >> there were reports that norad was on "high alert" and it echoes the cuban missile crisis around here. and a vessage of the cold war, and norad is knocking that story down and saying that it's absolutely inaccurate. and it's something that both the canadian and american militaries are involved in, the north american defense council. so the on the outward vestige
of security that we have seen here, where they begin to unfold in ottawa today, at the arlington cemetery, they have added additional security this, and obviously again, the fbi and homeland security looking at this to determine whether this individual and the one deassessed individual had any connection to terrorism. and so far nothing has turned up. >> at this point, people were asking me today, how did these two countries, you know, communicate with each other politically and militarily? my understanding of this is it's quite seamless. for all problems that countries have with each other, canada and the u.s., when it comes to communicating dangers or terrorism or political activity or stuff, it's pretty seamless. >> this is the point where we say it's the longest unprotected border in the world, right? there are nato facilities throughout canada and obviously the militaries work hand and
glove. and you're right, seamless is probably the best way to describe it. >> mike viqueira, thank you for being here. in e. >> the shooting in canada raises security questions here in the united states. just how safe is the u.s. capital from someone on a mission to do harm? david schuster joins us now, this is question has come up in the course of the day, considering the embarrassing breech in security at the white house not that long ago. and something went wrong, but it reminds of you what happened when somebody does breach the security that way. get across a long lawn like in canada but with a weapon. >> and ali, the u.s. capital is a very different it security apparatus than the houston. they have a guard shack at the fence. but that's not the case at the u.s. capitol building. you can walk across the lawn and get your car into a garage before anybody might check your
vehicle, and you can get up to one of the entrances of the capitol building before you have to go through the magtometers. what they have tried to do is have set visitor entrances and set entrances for the senators and the congress, so you can go in, and there's more security for the visitors, but what happens if somebody say steals one of the credentials or decides to steal their way into one of the entrances. they're all heavily guarded but like in canada, if somebody wants to blast their way through, they can get at least through the entrance. >> it's one of the things where the security permitter is outside of the building, you go through the initial clearance, and then you give your credentials at the first stop. so you would have to get through two full it security barriers before you're inside of a major building. but you're absolutely right.
canadian parliament, much like capitol hill, you can go all the way up to it before you go through security. >> grounded in the constitution, allowing people to take it seriously, but again, there are a lot of plain-clothed policemen on capitol hill, watching the cars, and if somebody is carrying a weapon or something suspicious, they may get stopped. but again, if you're able to stay calm, and walk up to the security entrance, and not giving any obvious signs of trouble. >> earlier, i spoke to the former speaker of the house of commons in canada. and he seemed surprised, where we don't think of security as seriously as we do in the united states, and they don't live under as serious a threat, the idea that a guy with a long gun can run the 300 feet across the lawn in front of parliament
and he did this in a car, and he got out there, and we say that can't happen in america, but in fact, back to the white house example, it sort of did happen. >> it can happen to the extent that somebody can get right up to the building, but i guarantee, ali, they're so heavily armed at the entrance to the capital. and what somebody might be able to do is cause damage and violence at the entrance. but the likelihood of somebody getting past the entrance like they did in the canadian parliament building today, the u.s. capital police may anticipate that there will be another attack, perhaps officers at the guard desk where the magnetometers are, but they have all kinds of things pertaining to that location. >> that's the hue here, whether it's the white house, the parliament or the canadian capital, we're all set up to have somebody check you out and look at you, and what do we do when we get to the point where
people have weapons with them and they were prepared to discharge that weapon? is that the front point of first contact enough to disarm somebody with a weapon? that's what they faced in ottawa. there's no question that there were enough people in and around parliament to tackle a guy with the gun, but this guy got almost to the back to the libraries, before the guy who you wouldn't think was the guy to do this, the sergeant at arms, took him down. >> i'm not sure that they can get that far to the u.s. capitol building, but the parking garages or some of the interns get to the cars, and people are supposed to check what's in the trunk, bull oftentimes they don't. if somebody wanted to think it through, there were ways that they could cause damage if they went to one of the buildings. it's another set of magnetometers, but they can bring them to one of the
buildings. >> thank you very much for joining us, and that's it for me, but our special coverage of the attack on the canadian parliament continues here on aljazeera america. >> i'm not sure anybody could get that far in the capitol building but there are some weaknesses. down, interns get to park again there's another set of mag magna. >> hi everyone, this is al jazeera america, i'm john siegenthaler in new york. ottawa attacked, gun fire in parliament. a canadian soldier is killed. the latest on the investigation. guilty verdict. american blackaward security guards convicted seven years after killing dozens of iraqis. treating ebola, a new serum made from the blood of survivors. the hopes and the risks. the autopsy,