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>> this is another significant development... >> we have an exclusive story tonight, and we go live... the long anticipated decision by then grand jury in the michael brown shooting in ferguson, missouri will be announced shortly. tonight we have special coverage of that decision, starting right now. ♪ america this evening is waiting nervously to see and hear what happens in the next hours and days in ferguson, missouri. at this hour, we know the grand
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jury looking into the shooting death of an unarmed 18-year-old named michael brown more than three months ago by ferguson police officer has reach addition, but we don't know what that decision is until 9:00 pm on the east coast. the decision will come after three months of hearing evidence into the shooting of an 18-year-old black man by a white police officer. that shooting reignited a prolonged debate about race and justice in america. the shooting sparked weeks of protests and has raised fears of more violence when the decision is announced. the governor activated the national guard, barricades werer recollected where the grand jury was meeting. some area schools recessed early for thanksgiving break. many businesses still have
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boards covering their windows, and more than 15 churches announced they would offer 24-hour sanctuary for protesters who seek it. let's go to clayton, missouri. the grand jury has been meeting in that st. louis county justice center. robert it seems quiet? >> it is very quiet. you see the barricades behind me. this is where the prosecutor's office is and where the grand jury has been meeting for the past 3.5 months. some of the demonstrators are starting to arrive, but we're not seeing a lot of that here. very peaceful as we await this decision at 9:00 eastern.
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we just heard the governor come out and talk to the press. we heard the major of st. louis come out and call for police. saying the police have been training, trying to learn from what they did back in august. demonstrators and police have actually gotten together recently and come up with some guidelines. some protocols that both sides are supposed to abide to tonight. >> robert you have covered this from the beginning what is your sense of the level of tension, and what police are doing there? because obviously the activities of the police in the area had come under bright focus right there the beginning. >> reporter: well, i would say the tension is high tonight. over the weekend, in my humble opinion it was fairly calm. we did see some demonstrators and there were some arrests.
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but over all the way i would describe the scene over the past week is an urgent feeling of when is this decision going to come down either way, so the community can start to figure out what they need to do to make this a better environment between police and people. and try to look at the socioeconomic issues that the asia has. i mean some of the businesses here have lost up to 75% of their incomes since august, since this has occurred, and so i think tonight will tell a very big tail as to how this is going to go. clearly there are going to be demonstrators that are peaceful. we hope there are not a few out there that cause badness for everyone. but we don't know what the outcome is going to be. we don't know whether or not officer darren wilson will be indicted by the grand jury or given a free slate to go on. >> there has been a lot of
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criticism that the media seems to have laid a ground work for demonstrations and bad things that could happen tonight. >> reporter: well, exactly. if you look at some of these headlines. just this past friday. a grand jury decision at any moment. we heard that so many times, when known had evidence of that. we're trying to keep a keep a very even tone out here. because the whole world is watching what occurs here, and the developments could go either way. it could be peaceful. it could get violent, but all of us in the media need to keep an even tempo and just report what we're seeing and not overexaggerate it. clearly this is not a war zone.
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this is an american town going through a very tough situation in the past four months they are going to need as much compassion and understanding as possible in the coming days and weeks. >> very well said, robert. that is the tone we are going to maintain throughout the course of the hour. the st. louis major said the world will be watching this, we just seize this opportunity together. john terrett is on the ground in ferguson, missouri, and joins us now. the governor has declared a presumptive state of emergency for national guard troops to be mobilized. and they want to be ready for anything that happens without fanning the flames of a protest that may be entirely peaceful. >> reporter: there are a lot of cameras here and a lot of anger
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here, ali in this town. people are fighting for three things really. they are looking for change in their relationship with the police. they are looking for justice for what happened to michael brown, and other african american men who have died or been injured or harassed on an almost continual basis. and most of all they say they are looking, really, just to be treated with respect like everybody else gets treated with respect most of the time. that doesn't happen in ferguson, according to most of the protesters. we are outside of the police headquarters, and there has been a small protest here ever since the 9th of august. and now it's growing into a reasonably big one as you can see. there is calls on social media for people to come here and protest after the decision has been handed down from the grand
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jury. office ers are working from 6:00 until 6:00. and businesses have really been hampered. many of the businesses here are boarded up. insurance companies saying if you don't board up we may not honor your insurance agreements. >> and we're not seeing the militarized police that ferguson was criticized for shortly after the shooting. >> reporter: yeah, a couple of nights ago, wednesday and thursday, the police were accused of being very, very heavy handed. the police -- the director of public safety had to justice their tactics. that was last wednesday and thursday. we have just seen what we think is a national guard armed
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vehicle go down the street. what we saw a few moments ago is that the crowd here stormed across the road. i must pick my words very carefully. it's not fair that they stormed. they walked across, and pushed the barriers out of the way, and about 15 or 20 police officers came out from the fire station and put the barriers back in place, and a couple of demonstrators walked over the road and rallied with them. you can hear it going on behind me. the police officers are lined up behind their barricades just watching what is happening on this side. so at the moment it is peaceful with the except shun of that little bit of agitation, that's the word, agitation. >> i thank you for choosing your
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words carefully. people are agitated and fearful and frustrated on both sides of this thing, and it takes very little to set that into motion. so thank you for that very much. john we'll be in touch with you through the course of the hour as well. sebastian walker is in st. louis, and joins us on the phone. jay nixon, walking a fine line, sebastian, urging calm, asking everybody to come together regardless of the outcome, and at the same time activating a state of emergency. . >> reporter: that's right. and he said the owed the decision of the -- >> i think we just lost sebastian, we'll try to reconnect with him shortly. i will tell you of the discussions we have just had with robert and john, we will be
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covering the story very fa fall -- fully. we'll talk to the head of the fraternal order of police to get the police perspective on what is happening tonight. and we'll hear from the governor, jay nixon when we come back. you are watching al jazeera. we'll be right back. ♪
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♪ regardless of the decision, people on all sides show tolerance, mutual respect, and restraint. >> that is missouri governor jay nixon just moments ago, in st. louis, calling for calm when the decision is announced at 9:00 pm
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eastern, 8:00 pm local time. at the same time he has activated the missouri national guard so they can be called upon if required. as i mentioned churches throughout missouri in the st. louis is open tonight to provide a safe haven to residents. joining us tonight is one of those reverends of those churches. he believes regardless of the decision, tonight will be an historic night. i want to start by asking you have, why are you in the basement of a church? what is the need for a safe haven? this >> good evening, ali. we put out a call to local churches to see if there were people who were willing to open up spaces where protesters might be able to go for some warmth, for coffee, for food if need be, or just even prayer. and we at the university had
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lots of conversations about this over about a two-week period, and decided that we needed to do this. >> norman we try to be very cognizant tonight of walking a fine line of telling people what the issues are. at the same time you have said the media has been selling fear. tell me about this. >> i think that -- that often the headlines are about violence that has been very little in my estimation. it's been designed to get people to feel anxious, and very uncomfortable and it doesn't make sense. most of these protests have been peaceful. they have been consistent with the message of militant, civil, non-violent disobedience, and that's what people are about. they are trying to make a point about a condition, a system that
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they think has been unfair over many years, and instead of making the story about them, they wanted to stay on that system. >> you say tonight is an historic night no matter what happens. what do you mean by that? >> i think that -- for me it's an historic night that very young people in this community, who many have looked at as being uncaring, as not having any sense of community, who have spent the last 100 days, 108 days, protesting and being present and taking a stand about issues that have plagued them and our communities for a long time. >> i want you to listen to the st. louis county executive who was part of the press conference that wrapped up just moments ago. >> i do not want people in this community to think they have to
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bear kayed -- barricade their doors and take up arms. i do not want people to shoot or harm someone out of fear. >> where are we in ferguson, missouri, vis-a-vis anywhere else in the country? are relations between blacks and white worse than in other similar places? is there something wrong with the police in ferguson, or is this a microcosm of tensions that happen across the country. >> we have worked very hard to create a divided nation, and that's where we are today. and the certain about being so separate -- the work i do -- i work within the context of when young people grow up, and hypersegregation is one that is r -- has contributed to a great
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dwiegs in terms of talking to each other and understanding each other, and i think that's where we are today. >> tonight is a story about michael brown. it is a story about darren wilson, the police officer. and it is as you point out, a story about the system. is there something -- and i'm going to speak to a police officer very shortly, but is there something you think that is wrong with the police force in ferguson, missouri, or the system at large? >> i think it's a larger issue than the ferguson police department. i think that police -- the nature of police has changed over the last 20, 25 years, to be one where we police the smallest infractions by people, being these constant tensions. i was hartened at the beginning of this discussion with the united nations commission on
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civil rights, essentially said that in the united states they think there is a system of apartheid that exists, and there has been. one of your earlier interviewers mentioned that this is a war zone. i don't know that it is a war zone, but these communities have been occupied for quite sometime now, where young people have to stop to give their paths to walk down the street, to drive down the street. that becomes a tension point. it's difficult for police -- and i teach police. young people that want to become police officers. they don't want the job so they can be antagonists, but the job has become that. >> missouri is a state with a lot of municipalities. because they are so small, and because ferguson has become increasingly poor since the '70s, these cities have to raise
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money for their services, and it is aledged there are a disproportionate element of traffic tickets, and the police are white, the drivers overwhelmingly tend to be black. is there something to this story? >> the funding of these municipalities on tickets, traffic tickets, is -- has become a -- kind of a crisis in this community. when i first started doing work in the community, i was at a meeting where a woman said to me that the way that young people wining up -- wind up in the system is not for crimes they committed, but for traffic infractions to the point where she told her son he could not drive. >> wow, that's remarkable. that getting a traffic ticket is an entry point into the criminal
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justice system. thank you for joining us tonight. and we all pray that things remain calm. norman white at st. louis. twelve people who have been deliberating in secret have one central question to consider, did darren wilson have a fear either for his own safety or the safety of others the night he shot michael brown? the grand jury has five possible outcomes, four involve charging wilson with a crime. first degree murder, second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, or involuntary manslaughter. it will then be up to a jury to decide if wilson committed a crime. or the grand jury may not bring
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charges against wilson. but the state attorney general could prosecute wilson. that's what happened to george zimmerman back in 2012. another possibility is the u.s. justice department could decide to bring charges against wilson. and michael brown's family could bring a civil suit against wilson. in that scenario, brown's parents would bring a wrongful death suit against wilson and that would be in civil court not a criminal charge. when we return we'll talk to the economic advisors of bloomberg business week. ♪
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you are looking at live pictures in ferguson, missouri, as crowds gather in anticipation of the decision from the grand jury which is expected at 9:00 pm eastern, 8:00 pm in ferguson, missouri. we are following the story very closely for you. let's go back. the aggressive response by the police department inflamed tensions. when demonstrators protested brown's death, police responded by wearing military style gear and firing tier gas. tonight, though, local law enforcement is stressing more measured responses. officers have undergone more training, and the police
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department has reached out to civil rights groups to urge cooperation. the fbi has sent 100 agents to the area to assist if needed. the national guard is on stand by too. the governor ordered a state of emergency, and said police have opened lines of communication with protest leaders. we are joined by the fraternal order of police which is a union representing officers across the country. he understands the mind set of a police force that is now on high alert chuck thank you for joining us. there is no vacation, the police are all out on the streets. the crowds are gathering. they know the eyes of the world are on them. what is a police officer thinking? >> well, the officers are going back to their training, trying
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to remain calm. they -- obviously none of them want to be there. they would much rather be home with their families. they are hoping for a peaceful resolution, but they are also prepared to protect life and property, and predominantly life, but they have a legal responsibility to protect property as well, and they are prepared to do what they have to do. >> what must it be like to know that what is going on tonight is something that is related to one of their own? one of their own police officers? can they be fair arbiters of what is going on in the streets of ferguson, knowing this is about their colleague. >> the vast majority of officers that are on the scene are not from the same agency as officer wilson, and they are
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professionals, they are trained and prepared. deployment of resources is the management's responsibility. the rank and file officer is out there waiting to perform what they are designated. what they are hoping for is a peaceful protest, and they can -- any agitators that come from the outside can be quickly arrested and taken off to nobody gets hurt. >> but they have to know is there are reporters and cameras there. if there is an agitator, is there action going to be different tonight? do they have to second-guess what their training tells them in >> well, first and foremost they have the right to perfect themselves. there is nothing in this country that says a police officer is fair game to be hit, struck, thrown at, have feces or urine
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thrown at them. but they are also highly trained and will work in teams and in a line, and they won't break ranks. there will be designated people that will effect arrest if they have to. they will do it quickly as possible and try to fall back in to line. >> is there something about the fact that this is the responsibility of police. they do this regularly. but there will be people who are targeting them. >> well, absolutely, and like i said before, first of all it is a felony to attack a police officer, and they have the right to affect an arrest and they also have the right to protect themselves. we don't sign on to this job with the knowledge that it is okay for somebody to take a shot
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at us or beat us. so they are going to be restrained as they can be. there is not an officer on that line that wants to do anything but complete their duty and go home to their family. >> you said it is more of a perception than reality. that military exists to engage, police exist in these environments to diffuse. >> absolutely. the military vehicles that are sent to law enforcement, are demilitarized. there is no weaponry on those vehicles. any high-tech military equipment has been removed. they are basically a shell of a vehicle. they are available on the open private market. they have been paid for by tax dollars. they are no -- not equipped with
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high-impact military weapons. >> would you say, though, knowing -- having learned from this experience that that perception is there, and we're going to have to figure out a way to handle that. >> there is some perception there, but through the education process, and the average citizen understands that there is no sense in letting this equipment be rolled out to the desert and left to rot, there is some necessary times for this type of equipment. just yesterday in st. louis, two people were arrested for trying to purchase bombs. so those vehicles with high-impact vehicles, and there are a number of situations, a lot of hostage situations that those vehicles are shields for high-powered rifles and other weaponry, so they are there to protect lives, not to take
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lives. >> chuck thank you for joining us tonight. we appreciate your perspective. in a moment our special coverage continues. we will take you back to the ground of clayton, move, where the grand jury has been sitting, and to ferguson, missouri, and we'll talk about something we have been getting at for the last half hour, the reality of the economics in ferguson, missouri, and towns like it across the country. you are watching special coverage on al jazeera america. ♪
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♪ and you are looking at live pictures of ferguson, missouri.
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there are people gathering around there. the situation does look calm. but you are looking at protesters walking with signs. john terrett will give us an update in a few minutes. but let's go to al jazeera america reporter in clayton, missouri where the grand jury had met. it's a much quieter scene there. lori what can you tell us? >> reporter: yeah, ali, we have been getting peace by peace information. we know 8:00 central time is go time. but we're still waiting for logistical information about how this is going to happen. there will be a group of journalists who will be allowed to go in, but we're not sure if we can ask questions. but i can tell you, people have started to mobilize here. we just saw a couple of police
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dogs coming around our media vehicles, sniffing around for explosives. there has also been some protesters that have started to mobilize. there are about 100 people at the police department right now. many are going to different places around the city and also the larger county. we know some people will be over on west florasant. we haven't seen many people out here yet. bealso heard from the governor who came out and talked about keeping the peace, restraint, safety, and i think a lot of protesters do want to keep this a peaceful evening.
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>> john terrett is in front of the courthouse in ferguson, missouri. john, what is the latest there? >> reporter: it's quieted down to be honest with you. we're on south florasant road. there has been tiny demonstrations since august 9th. now the crowd has swelled a bit more than that. but this is down compared to what it was 30 minutes to an hours ago. at one point some of the protesters crossed the road and pushed the barriers that the police erected out of the way to the side, and then after a short time, the police came out from the fire station next door, and i think you can still see them standing there even now. and they are in uniform and just
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quietly standing looking back at the protesters. police leave has been canceled and officers are are working 12-hour shifts. are lots of mom and pop businesses in this part of missouri, and many have been badly effected by what happened on august 9th. many are boarded up, which means they don't have much light coming in, but the insurance companies are telling them if you don't board up, we may not honor your insurance contracts. so the mom and pops say a their business is down around 70%. that's a huge whack to take before the holidays. >> john terrett thank you very much. let's take a deeper look into ferguson by the numbers. it is located 13 miles north of st. louis. it has a population of more than
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21,000 people. two-thirds are african-americans. even so they have almost no presence on the city council. the median household income is close to $36,000 a year. median means half make more, half make less. ferguson's home owners were hit hard in 2007. today nearly half say they owe more on their homes than their homes are worth. that is double the rate that surrounded ferguson. nationally the number of suburban grew by 139% between 2000 and 2012. that is almost three times as fast as the pace of growth of concentrated poverty in america's inner cities.
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peter koy wrote the peace "injustice in ferguson," detailing racial and income inequality in and around ferguson. these two are often not disconnected. and i thought my earlier guest, normman white who said in a place like ferguson, getting a traffic ticket can be the entry point into the criminal justice system. what does that mean? >> there was a report in the works at the time of the shooting of michael brown that named ferguson as long as two other towns of being particularly bad offenders on this principal, blacks being disproportionly stopped by police. and when they were unable to pay their traffic tickets, getting points on their licenses, and sometimes being put in jail for
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nonpayment of traffic fines. when you get thrown in jail, you lose your job, so something as simple as getting stopped by the cops for a broken tail pipe or something, can spiral downward into something that can really wreck your life. >> there is something about the structure of these tiny municipalities, and this exists across america. local self rule is expensive. >> yes. >> maintaining a police force needs funding. >> yeah. and that is true, but what is so strange about ferguson, and this came in the report, is that it's actually quite expensive to put on a trial, to put somebody in jail, and to -- to house them there, give them food and shelter, so that if you go to the point of jailing somebody,
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they are costing you money. any profits you might have made from the fines are out the window at that point. so it's not only harmful to the victims. it's harmful to the people causing the harm. >> i'm not sure our viewers understand fully why in a place that is two-thirds black and has been for some time, there is not better representation on the city council. >> i spoke to a democratic committee woman for ferguson township. that's her job to try to get more blacks to run for office. one problem is that in -- in ferguson and a lot of other towns, the elections are in the spring. people don't have their minds on it. she would love to have that moved to the fall. >> right. >> second factor is just kind of
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a general eye -- alienation. this is not my town. i am divorced from the process. and we hope that will change and the local government will reflect everyone's interests. >> what is the difference between -- the stuff you are describing is what we think about in bigger inner cities. >> the suburbanization of v poverty is a very real phenomenon. one of the problems in many places -- in you move to the suburbs you are further away from say easy public transportati transportation. ferguson is lucky in that there are a bunch of large employers nearby. so it has some things going for it's a itself. so if they can get past the
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stress, and fix the police department, maybe things will turn out better. >> what can ferguson do to move forward after tonight? >> so i spoke to the head of the urban league of metropolitan st. louis. he said there are very few problems that a job can't fix. increasing employment opportunities especially for the young black men who are the most -- who are the most excluded from the economy today. >> and -- but this is -- this is part of the urban -- the suburban poor situation. i think express scripts is in or near ferguson and one of the bigger 'em mro -- 'eemployers. >> yes, there are opportunities there, but necessarily for
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somebody with a high school education or a dropout. >> or a record in jail. >> absolutely. >> this is actually a microcosm of america and it could be anywhere. >> it could and it couldn't. i think we -- we do ourselves a disservice and generalize, and say every city in america is like ferguson. it is not. it is more racially divided than most of the country. and that is a legacy going back to the 19th century, where it was fragmented into these little chunks. suddenly the population flips very quickly, which has started to happen in ferguson. >> very quickly once somebody bias house on a street that was only white, within a year, it's -- it's gone. >> ferguson has actually held the line better than some
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communities. although this episode is probably scaring a lot of people, so -- there are towns in north st. louis county that are more balanced, pride themselves on their racial integration, and i'm sure they are watching this case as closely as anyone. >> peter thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you. coming up the legal view of what is going on in ferguson, we'll speak to a criminal defense attorney. you are watching ferguson flash point on al jazeera america. we're back in two minutes. ♪
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♪ just over an hour away from the decision from the grand jury in the death of michael brown. in that will come down in clayton, move, which is where sebastian walker is standing by. we were speaking to him less than an hour ago. you drive from st. louis to ferguson about 20 miles. what did you see in what is the mood? what is the vibe as you approach
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the clayton courthouse? >> reporter: well, ali throughout the afternoon there has been a lot more traffic with people going home. people are being let out of government jobs earlier. apart from that, the streets are very quiet around here. this is where all of the decisions are being made, itself not this area where the protests have been focused. so around here the streets are very, very quiet, but people are really anticipating that this is going to go on throughout the evening. the streeting arrange clayton are pretty quiet right now. we're waiting for the news conference that will be given. >> you are going to turn around and go into that building behind you, to be clear? >> reporter: that's right. it's a building very close to here, and, you know, this is -- we have been waiting for
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more than three months now for this decision. there have been a lot of different reports that it was going to come earlier. some people were expects it back in october. this is one criticism the community has. this process shouldn't take this long. this is really just a decision as to whether there is enough evidence to proceed. it is not a trial, so therefore, people were expecting this decision to come down way earlier than it has. so it had fed into a lot of the frustration on the streets here. and now there is very little expectation of an indictment. we'll find that out really in the next hour. but very few people you meet on the streets are expecting darren wilson to be indicted. >> thank you. county officials said the 12-member grand jury consisted
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of 3 black jurors and 9 white ones. prosecutors are have said to take an unusual step with this case, instead of instructing on specific charges that believe darren wilson could face, they left them open-ended. and the prosecutors office presented evidence to the panels as soon as it was discovered. instead of just hearing from a new key witnesses or two, they heard from darren wilson himself. expects say this happens when they want a political cover. joining us to give us a legal perspective is criminal defense attorney who has tried many cases in southern california.
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what is your impression on how this might go? >> well, remarking about what was just said, i think if you assume the pros suitor is honest, what he has done here, is rather than going for an indictment, he has put all of the evidence that exists before the grand jury. and what could be a better process to see if there is sufficient evidence to make an american citizen, regardless of race, creed, or color, go to a trial? >> but everybody doesn't get a grand jury. i assume every police officer involved in a fatal shooting does. >> not everybody gets a grand jury, and some prosecutor's offices normally go by grand jury, and the process can take ten or 15 minutes. you put on case after case and let the grand jury indict. but usually like for instance
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where i am in california, you have a preliminary hearing before a judge to determine whether there's sufficient evidence to send to trial. but this is a special case where they didn't want to do that. if there was enough evidence that said that this officer was guilty, they could have put that on quickly. so i find it interesting that he has put on all of this evidence. >> and the way you are gleaning that is from the time it has taken. because i have been watching people on cable news who seem to have lots of information about the way this is supposed to go. in truth we have no evidence one way or another. >> i don't think you can determine how this is supposed to go, because a grand jury versus a preliminary hearing is a different process in every state. some states do nothing but grand jury indictments. some states do nothing but preliminary hearings. and i think this is probably a
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unique situation that you saw here. and probably made for the circumstances. >> all right. bill thank you so much for your incite into this. when we return we'll look ahead to what tonight's grand jury decision means for ferguson and the rest of the country. you are watching our special coverage on al jazeera america. we're back in two minutes. ♪
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♪ in a little over an hour we will be hearing the decision of the grand jury in ferguson, missouri in the case of the shooting of michael brown. the governor declared a state of emergency ahead of the decision. joining me is former senior deputy director of the lawyer's committee for civil rights under law. john what are you thinking as you are preparing for the decision? >> i'm thinking, like everyone else, what did the grand jury decide? did it decide to indict officer wilson, or did it decide not to charge him with a crime. >> the issues in this case have been around the facts of the shooting of michael brown and at the same time it has been around
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the conduct of darren wilson, and the ferguson police, and the whole administration of the state of missouri. obviously they have learned some lessons from august. what sense do you get from the tone tonight? >> i get from the tone, that this is a carefully scripted release of the information. just coming to your studio tonight, i noticed a number of police officers stationed in certain positions with numerous police guards with numerous police gathered. so many communities around the country are waiting on this decision by the grand jury in ferguson, missouri. >> we're looking at live pictures of ferguson, it does appear that protesters look to have entirely blocked off an intersection. but john, it is unusual, when you see cadets out at night, it tends to mean they have called
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up a bigger force, and we have seen media reports that say that cities across the united states are bracing for some sort of reaction. do you think that is fair? has the media been fair in this instance, or are we looking as a riot to cover? >> as a long time civil rights heard, i'm concerned about all of the pressure that is on this grand jury. there is pressure from those who want the grand jury to indict the police officer, and there is pressure on those who support the police officer and don't want to see him charged. i believe that's unhealthy to have so much pressure on grand jury one way or the other. >> does that mean you think they could make a wrong decision tonight? >> i'm not sure whether i fear that the grand jury might be pressured into charging the officer or not charging the
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officer, because i haven't been in the room and i don't know them. but from the outside in my 45 years in the law, particularly in civil rights, i have never seen so much attention around the grand jury. after all the grand jury only decides whether a crime has been committed, and the person suspected committed that crime. if they believe he committed a crime, then it goes on to trial. naturally the country was waiting on o.j. simpson. but there has been a long delay, careful rollout, late monday night to inform the public of the decision. >> what happens to the rest of us who are not in that room. if you were on the wrong side of this decision, you may never believe a fair decision was
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made. is there anyway around that? >> no, there is no way around whether there was a fair deliberation inside. i do look forward to the district attorney releasing the information and evidence that was brought before the grand jury if the grand jury decides not to charge officer wilson. if the grand jury decides to charge officer wilson, that evidence will be secret until trial time and available for the prosecution or the defense to use. >> john britton thank you so much for joining us tonight and giving us your perspective. professor of law at the university of d.c. well our coverage of the decision in ferguson will continue through the decision which is expected in one hour. i'm ali velshi. thank you for joining us for this special coverage of the grand jury decision in ferguson, missouri. al jazeera america will continue to bring you live coverage of the decision and the reaction to
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it. you are looking at live pictures now. john siegenthaler is going to take it from me in just a few seconds. we'll explain what you are seeing, and we'll go back to our reporters on the scenes. stay with us. hi, everyone, i'm john siegenthaler in new york. decision day an announcement from the grand jury expected tonight in the michael brown case. culture of silence, disturbing rape allegations. diplomatic breakdown. another extension

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