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a >> good evening i'm antonio mor" a news conference just wrapped up where the st. louis coirchlt prosecutor announced that the grand jury decided not to indict darren wilson for the shooting of michael brown. >> they determined that no probable cause exists against officer wilson and not return a true bill against each of the
five indictments. >> sparking months of demonstrations including a couple of weeks of protests that sometimes turned violent. jay nixon called a state of emergency in advance and called up the national guard. early last night he pleaded for calm and so did michael brown's family after they were informed of the decision. robert ray is in clayton, where the grand jury was working on the case of officer wilson. robert you were there, as prosecutor mccullough announced the decision of the grand jury. what was the reaction of the crowd near you. >> antonio, good evening. in front of the justice center in clayton, you know it was silent to be honest with you. out here you could hear a pin
drop as we were listening to the prosecutor, robert mccullough. you know interesting, details came out, the grand jury started meeting on august 20th, antonio. they met for 70 hours over the course of the past three and a half months. they were able to hear over 60 witnesses and they came to the conclusion that there would be no indictment. that officer wilson was reacting at a split second like an officer should they thought. that's the decision, that's what everyone's going to have to deal with here as this is now a closed case and an open file as prosecutor bob mccullough said about five minutes ago. so we should get more details when those files get out to all of us in the coming days, hopefully we'll receive that tonight. but you know what? it's quiet here but over in ferguson about ten miles away the streets are filling up. the mother of michael brown was
listening to the grand jury verdict, while she was sitting on top of a vehicle she broke down in tears and some of the demonstrators took her away. so clearly, a lot of people looking at this as a very tough night. and we'll see hopefully there will be no violence on the streets. that's what the brown family has called for. that's what pastors and priests are calling for. we know the president of the united states is going to talk very, very soon, make a statement regarding this announcement so everything very fluid at the time, at this moment antonio. >> we have been showing pictures of ferguson robert and it does seem like the crowd is thinning a little bit. there's been running around but there certainly does not seem to be any violence fortunately. so there as you said a pin drop. what kind of precautions had been taken there in clayton and in ferguson? >> well, a few hours ago, before the announcement was made we saw the national guard go into the justice building behind us. i think there were just securing
the perimeter at that point, unsure as to how many people could show up here. we had dogs sweeping the area for explosives just in case. i got to tell you it's very quiet right now. there are some people over to my right but everyone is being very respectful and peaceful. a far cry from some of the moments we saw back in august. perhaps this will be a very sad night for some, for others a night full of justice, depends on how you see this. it is a subjective thing but clearly there's been a decision by the grand jury and that's it. there is no other way to go at this. the law has spoken, antonio. >> it is a case that has sharply divided people. we can go to ferguson and al jazeera america correspondent john terret. what was the reaction there in ferguson? >> antonio, we've had some tear gas here in the last couple of
seconds. we've just had something from the clergy text us to say that the police let off some tear gas. it is not completely clear to me what happened but the police are now coming down through the entrance of their police headquarters that but rest butt, that's what was happening a few moments ago, the crowd was getting very excited and rhode island up about that. the story about what happened when the decision came down, a large speaker system had been put together by an individual and wheeled it inside the police station. from bob mccullough's words they worked out that no indictment was going to be handed down and the shout went out, no indictment, no indictment. the police were standing in full riot gear and in the course of probably ten minutes or so a
gation mask was thrown at police -- gas mask was thrown at police, bottle of water thrown at police but police held steadfast behind their lines. then somebody set off a fire work and that got people pretty excited. i'm not entirely sure what happened. i didn't smell any tear gas, we had an e-mail to say that's what it was, there was certainly a very, very loud explosion. i think you can see from our camera that the police appear to be positioning themselves to make some kind of maneuver. at the moment they are behind their barrier which is protecting the police headquarters, and the crowd is significantly smaller than it was at the time of the announcement because most people have marched off into ferguson and they are going down to pay their respects to michael brown at the memorial where he died. however i think i can say with
reasonable confidence that things are calming down again now. antonio. >> that seems to be the case from the aerial pictures we are showing, the crowd does seem to be dispersing. what kind of police persons, we did see pictures of police in riot gear. is the national guard out, is it a very large police presence or is it not that big? we really only for most of the pictures we are seeing people milling about. >> yes. no, it's very tiny the police presence and i'm thinking this is why they have their riot gear on and they are positioning themselves at the moment as you can see behind those police cars. they've moved back quite a considerable way from where they were prior to the announcement being made and in the immediate aftermath when the water bottles and the gas mask and the stones were thrown. i think probably, it's hard for me to say but i think there's
got to be no more than probably 30 police officers over there. of course there may be more in reserve because there's a big car park behind. but i think the police presence is not big. there's a helicopter going overhead watching all of this. let me bring in a guest i have here antonio if you allow me to. this is cat daniels, cat lives in ferguson and is someone who needs the protesters here in the buildup of this event. she's been cooking for them haven't you cat and they are very grateful for that. what is your immediate reaction to the fact that there will be no indictment against officer wilson? >> i'm very sad. this is sad, you know, i've been out here from day 1 because this has to stop. every 28 hours, a young african american male or female is killed by the police in this country. and this is something, this is like a free pass now. okay? so this is very disheartening. i just feel like i want to cry.
>> but with respect, you can't have been surprised. because everything seemed to be pointing towards no indictment, right? >> absolutely. you know, we kind of figured that this is what will happen, especially here in st. louis county. we fegwe figured that. but still to hear that, is a bitter pill to swallow. >> people who class themselves as protesters from this community have said to me, they think we're going to go away. >> apologize john interrupt and listen to the president of the united states. >> michael brown issued their decision. ists now come that either way was going to be subject of intense disagreement. not only in ferguson but across america. so i just want to say a few words, suggesting how we might move forward. fact of the matter, wfirst and a
nation build built on the rule of law. we need to accept that it was the grand jury's decision to make. there are americans who agree with it and there are americans who are deeply disappointed, even angry. it is an understandable reaction. but i join michael's parents in asking anyone who protests this decision to do so peacefully. let me repeat michael's father's words. hurting others or destroying property is not the answer. no matter what the grand jury decides, i do not want my son's death to be in vain. i want it to lead to incredible change. positive change. change that makes the st. louis region better for everyone. now michael brown's parents have lost more than anyone.
we should be honoring their wishes. i also appeal to the law enforcement officials in ferguson and the region to show care and restraint in managing peaceful protests that may occur. understand: our police officers put their lives on the line for us every single day. they've got a tough job to do to maintain public safety and hold accountable those who break the law. as they do their jobs in the coming days, they need to work with the community. not against the community. to distinguish the handful of people who may use the grand jury's decision as an excuse for violence. distinguish them from the vast majority who just want their voices heard around legitimate issues in terms of how communities and law enforcement interact.
finally, we need to recognize that the situation in ferguson speaks to broader challenges that we still face as a nation. the fact is, in too many parts of this country, a deep distrust exists between law enforcement and communities of color. some of this is the result of the legacy of racial discrimination in this country. and this is tragic because nobody needs good policing more than poor communities with higher crime rates. the good news is: we know there are things we can do to help and i've instructed attorney general holder to work with communities across the country to help build better relations between communities and law enforcement. that means working with law enforcement officials to make sure their rarche ranks are representative of communities they serve. we know that makes a difference. it means working to train officials so that law
enforcement conducts itself in a way that is fair to everybody. it means enlisting the community actively on what should be everybody's goal, and that is to prevent crime. and there are good people on all sides of this debate as well as in both republican and democratic parties, that are interested not only in lifting up best practices, with -- because we know that there are communities who have been able to deal with this in an effective way, but also, who are interested in working with this administration and local and state officials to start tackling much-needed criminal justice reform. so those should be the lessons that we draw from these tragic events. we need to recognize that this is not just an issue for ferguson. this is an issue for america. we have made enormous progress
in race relations, over the course of the past several decades. i have witnessed that in my own life. and to deny that progress i think is to deny america's capacity for change. but what is also true is that there are still problems, and communities of color aren't just making these problems up. separating that from this particular decision, there are issues in which the law, too often, feels as if it is being applied in a discriminatory fashion. i don't think that's the norm. i don't think that's true for the majority of communities or the vast majority of law enforcement officials. but these are real issues and we have to lift them up and not deny them or try tamp them down. what we need to do is to
understand them and figure out how do we make more progress? and that can be done. that won't be done by throwing bottles. that won't be done by smashing car windows. that won't be done by using this as an excuse to vandalize property and certainly won't be done by hurting anybody. so to those in ferguson, there are ways of channeling your concerns constructively and therthere are ways of channel is your concerns destructively. michael brown's parents understand what it means to be constructive. the vast majority of peaceful protesters, they understand it as well. those of you who are watching tonight, understand that there's never an excuse for violence,
particularly when there are a lot of people and goodwill out there who are willing to work on these issues. on the other hand, those who are only interested in focusing on the violence and just want the problem to go away need to recognize that we do have work to do here. and we shouldn't try to paper it over. whenever we do that, the anger may momentarily subside but over time, it builds up, and america isn't everything that it could be. and i am confident that if we focus our attention on the problem, and we look at what has happened in communities around the country effectively, then we can make progress not just in ferguson but in a lot of other cities and communities around the country. okay? >> mr. president, will you go to ferguson when things settle down
there? >> let's take a look and see how things are going. eric holder has been there, we've had a whole team from the justice department there. the vast majority of the community has pen working very hard to -- been working very hard to try to make sure that this becomes an opportunity for us to seize the moment. and turn this into a positive situation. but i think that we have to make sure that we focus at least as much attention on all those positive activities that are taking place as we do on a handful of folks who end up using this as an excuse to misbehave or to break the law or to engage in violence. i think that it's going to be very important, and i think the media is going to have a responsibility as well to make sure that we focus on michael
brown's parents and the clergy and the community leaders and the civil rights leaders and the activists and law enforcement officials who have been working very hard to try to find better solutions, long term solutions to this issue. there is inevitably going to be some negative reaction. and it will make for good tv. but what we want to do is to make sure that we're also focusing on those who can offer the kind of real progress that we know is possible. and the vast majority of people in ferguson, the st. louis region, in missouri, and around the country are looking for. and i want to be partners with those folks and we need to lift up that kind of constructive dialogue that's taken place. all right. thank you very much everyone.
>> mr. president will you be asking for federal charges -- >> we've been listening to president obama calling for calm after the grand jury decision not to indict officer darren wilson in the shooting death of michael brown. he talked about there never being an excuse for violence, am he understood there was intense disagreement about this case across the country and he could understand how people could react angrily. sadly you could see the pictures right next to him of people trying to overturn what seemed to be a police car and the reaction then of a lot of tear gas being fired so already there has been some violence in ferguson, missouri, let's head back to john siegenthaler for our continuing coverage of the grand jury's decision on ferguson. >> antonio, thank you very much. and as you've just mentioned vandalism in the streets, tear gas, being thrown in response to the decision tonight in missouri.
no indictment. the officer who shot and kill 18-year-old michael brown will not be charged. earlier tonight the st. louis county prosecutor announced the grand jury's decision. >> they determined that no probable cause exists to file any charge against officer wilson. around returned a no true bill -- and returned a no true bill on each of the five indictments. >> then we heard from the president of the united states who urged calm especially in ferguson. but as you can see there are problems there tonight as people react to what they have heard. criminal defense attorney robert tarbert jr. joins us with his reaction. tell me what you think. >> well john, it's not unexpected. the fact of the matter is that very rarely are police officers indicted by grand juries. the prosecutor made it very
clear that he was going to do something very unusual not to direct the grand jury in their direction. when you do that account this grand jury has no direction to go but the end is not unusual sadly. >> it is not sadly unusual but these pictures i would disagree with the president not really good tv but tragic pictures that are going on in this area tonight. you know, there's a lot of questions about the way this was handled. what do you think about the announcement i at this time of e evening? >> you know, i found the announcement to be number one, i found the announcement itself to be very gruff, very callous, not very empathetic, kind of brushed off what is a very serious issue for this community. i think they wanted it to be at night because they didn't want the entire day to fester and move into the night.
most issues will subside but again i don't think this prosecutor was very, very clear as to why this community is upset, why they're disturbed. you know john this comes on the backdrop of a 12-year-old being shot in the stomach and killed. all these things are on the minds of those people out there not just michael brown. and this prosecutor needs to be more sensitive and he wasn't. >> give me your sense. how has life changed in this country since fergdz? hoferguson? how has the country responded to ferguson, missouri? >> it hasn't. these things have only happened in the last few days. the gentleman who was carrying a toy gun in the walmart, and african americans shooting on a regular basis, there seems to be
no justice, no one is being chastised, no justice disappears anywhere on the horizon. you are having a bubbling over, this may be just the beginning sadly. >> robert, stand by for just a second, i want to bring in sebastian walker, he was able to ask a few questions. tell us what we couldn't see seb. >> well, the atmosphere inside was pretty tense when the prosecutor got up to the stand. nobody was really sure, there was an expectation that there wouldn't be an indictment but when he read out the proceedings of the grand jury the deliberations, when he said there were no indictments at all for officer wilson there were a few journalists who were surprised, a few gasps from the crowd. he kept saying again and again this decision was not done with regard to any kind of public pressure or personal agenda.
he kept repeating that the physical evidence and credible testimony was what guided the grand jurors to decide no charges could move forward against darren wilson. so that was definitely noticeable. he was talking a little bit about the media coverage, how people had given interviews to the media about what had happened. but he said that the jurors had very carefully looked at the scientific evidence the physical evidence before coming the their decision. he was asked by a few journalists to defend the process, people voicing these citi sisms about the wacrit six. without any kind of public pressure. so pretty defiant tone from prosecutor mccullough. >> i should mention that as we're watching you on the right-hand side of the screen we're seeing a large amount of
tear gas being fired and the crowd scattering as these tear gas canisters are being set off by police. i just want to play a bit of the question you asked the prosecutor just a little while ago. let's listen. >> mr. mccul lokcullough, you or person who has had his record questioned in the past, how do you feel announcing this decision and what message do you think it sends to the community that says that they have had numerous members of that community, young predominantly black males killed by police with impunity. what kind of message do you think this decision says to them? >> well, a much better message than what you're send, that young men being killed with impunity. they are not being killed with impunity. we look at every case that comes through, whether they are young black men or young white men. we have had young white men
killed by police officers tragically in these situations and how to avoid being in that situation in the future whether it's a justified shooting. that's what has to go. i think what the people in the community they need to make their voices heard and they need to address those issues so that we get those issues that so that we're never in this position again. >> one of the things i heard as you mentioned a little while ago seb the prosecutor talked about the media, in fact he mentioned the media several different times. what was his beef? he was clearly upset the way the media covered this, and the response to your question indicated. >> it definitely seemed like that john you're absolutely right. he talked about interviews people at the scene had done with the media and basically a narrative that had been shaped away from the courtroom. something that he said the jurors had to get past.
the take away from that was pretty critical that there has been so much discussion about what happened even before the grand jury has made its decision. but really i think what people are saying about this process is it's been more than three months since michael brown was shot and killed. the reaction was, you know, an extremely significant moment in this -- in this community. and as we are already hearing, the response and the fallout from the decision that's been made this seefng evening is a f that, we're hearing reports of tear gas already being fired in ferguson, and gun shots, this is a community that was extremely upset about the circumstances of michael brown's killing. circumstances that they see is suspicious. what the -- the problem they hae with the prosecutor, there hasn't been a great deal of
accountability from their perspective for these police officers. very little of what they see is accountability and this is yet another case that's basically fed into that. so i think it's going to be avery long night here in ferguson and the st. louis area because people just don't have any confidence in the process anymore. they were looking to this jury to really have some accountability, i mean it's all been carried out behind closed doors. and i mean at this point we're really just waiting to see what the reaction is going to be and how long things proceed throughout the night. but this decision and the prosecutor's summation of that isn't going to resonate well with a lot of the people in the community that we've been speaking to. we're already starting to see that. >> seb walker. i want to say that our own john terret was in the cloud of tear gas. just evacuated a little while ago, caught in the cross fire between police and protesters. dante bay are barry.
give me a opinion of what you witnessed. >> i'm stig still trying get the process, this process doesn't work for black people like me, doesn't work for brown people, it was never built for us, never designed for us. and this country has been built on this foundation. so whether or not there was -- if there was going to be an indictment or not we would still not find justice in that regard. so -- but hearing the announcement which is very much a formal, which should have happened last friday, they just dragged it out. and it was a heart wrench that
kept going. and i think when we go back to why people are frustrated, all right? ferguson is everywhere. every 28 hours a black person is killed in this country by a police officer a self appointed vigilante or a security guard. if you look even past around 'em i.t. little around themmett hil, context for this. so every -- the folks that are here, the folks in ferguson, all across this country that are protesting in demonstration against this it is coming up to the factor that this is happening around black and brown bodies every single day. john crawford from ohio to eric gardner in new york, rakia boyd in chicago. killed in the past couple of days. >> i will give you a chance.
our john terret got hit by a wave of tear gas. how are you doing? >> we have been very heavily tear gassed here. what happened was, the crowd, overturned a police car about a half a block away from police headquarters. probably 20 minutes or so after the announcements came down and the police were seeking on megaphones telling people who were still on the street to get off the street or they would be subject to tear gas. and that is exactly what happened. what was shocking is that it happened so incredibly quickly. one moment we were watching what appeared to be a reasonably peaceful demonstration from our vantage point, the next the crowd came running down the road at top speed, screaming they're coming they're coming get out of the way and sure enough a group of st. louis county i can see them from here but i can't see exactly what they are, some kind
of armored personnel vehicle came along the road by the police station where they've now stopped and of course firing out from behind them was tear gas. and i'm afraid we got rather badly tear gassed, it got into our car and everything so we were pretty out of it for a while, we're okay now, and there's no more tear gas being fired at the moment.. what appears to be happening i think you can see this from the pictures that we're radiating is there is an uneasy stand offpolice in riot gear most of whom are behind most of whom now have dispersed from this area anyway because of the tear gas. john. >> john we're glad you're okay. stand by for just a second. i want to continue this conversation dante because when i asked you this question, i suspect that you were expecting this decision tonight.
but that it's not any easier even knowing that it's the decision you thought was going to come down. >> no. and i say that because i could be next. i could be the next black man that's shot dead. i could be next tonight. my brother, my mother, someone in my family could be next. in addition to plenty of other black and brown people in this country. so regardless of what happened, whether there was an indictment or not, i would still be criminalized how black and brown people are being criminalized in this way. >> you saw what was happening in the streets, there were cars being turned over, tears being shot, fires in the middle of the street.
president asked for calm. people are angry, you're angry tonight. how do you take that and move it forward after something like this in your opinion? >> we need to act, right? and again, ferguson is everywhere. this is ap happening in communis all across the country from new york to chicago, to d.c., l.a. and we really need to be acting. i think we've had enough time to really have constructive conversation. the folks in ferguson and even the folks in greater st. louis in terms of the killing of derrick meyers and paul who were killed after mike banno -- mike brown was killed in st. louis, they have been having conversation and now we need action. >> president obama spoke just a little while ago. just listen. >> i join michael's parents, in asks those who protest do it
peacefully. >> you have been hearing response from people, what are your friends saying? >> so there's a -- it's interesting, so folks who have been supportive of this movement are either out in the street, and i give my heart and my love to the folks that are out in the street because they need to be out in the street today. and every day. in sustaining this movement going forward but also for folks that may not necessarily know how to plug in or what is questioning, this is a moral decision that they have to -- they have to make. they have a choice. and it's the question of which side are you on? will you allow a community that is going through a militarized police presence right now being exposed to tear gas, rubber bullets and protest against a decision that was already designed and set up to fail. or would you rather support a system that has continuously
marginalized and oppressed black and brown people in this country? i think in every regard a lot of people doing this work and also are trying plug in really recognize that black lives do matter in this country and black lives are important. >> there is a picture of a fire i just want to show you that's going on in ferguson right now in addition to the tear gas and the cars that were being vandalized. john terret got a live picture and john, what are you seeing at this point? john can you hear me? i know you've just gone through some -- go ahead. >> yes hey john, good evening from ferguson where we've had an incident here that involved a lot of tear gas. here is the story. there was a group of protesters who were -- i think this might be more tear gas being fired now. you could see this is right outside the ferg ferguson police
headquarters and the fire headquarters on south florison road on ferguson. there's a helicopter going overhead and what you see, and that's -- that is a -- that is some kind of stun grenade i think and more tear gas being fired. the police of course are wearing protective gear. those are st. louis county armored personnel carriers that you see in the middle of your screen at the moament and clearly the police want the protesters to be out of the area. this comes after some of them overturned and smashed a police vehicle further down the road. the police spoke on lout speakers to say if the protesters didn't move then they would be subject to arrest and possibly tear gas. the tear gas certainly has been fired. interestingly the police are
saying this evening that what they're firing here is smoke. and actually i think it may very well be smoke canisters here, i don't smell tear gas in the air. but we certainly were tear gassed in early stages of this event. there's no doubting tear gas. it stings your face and it stings your eyes. you have to run away, you can't be where it is. i smell a whiff of it, so what appears to be happening if we just look -- ben is looking at a helicopter going over at the moment. police are lined up in full riot gear outside their police headquarters and at the moment there's an uneasy calm. john. >> i was just going to say you were across from the police headquarters a while back and you said it looked like the crowd had dispersed and the crowd was moving elsewhere. then what happened?
john, you still there? >> well, the crowd certainly dispersed. when the announcement came down there must have been about 500 people here. yeah, there must have been about 500 people here when the announcement first came down. and there was chanting went round as they realized there was to be no indictment. and some of them approached the barricades to the police headquarters where the police were. but pretty shortly after that there was some rocks thrown. there was some oddly enough gas masks thrown at the police, and water bottles as well. but then the organizers said they were going off in a march through town to pay their respects to mike brown ending at the memorial where he died. but part of the crowd overturned a police vehicle and also smashing shops and beginning the process of looting. the police moved in to stop
that. that's what happened. they came along the road very, very slowly and we are now seeing a fire has been set. now, we swung the camera around, now the other way in the other direction, back towards the center of ferguson. something is on fire, you might have a better view. it's a vehicle actually. at the moment there's an easy calm here. as i say, the police clearly weren't going to put up with any looting or any problems like that. they moved in and they just kept coming down the street. they did not stop. people were shouting, "they're coming, they're coming" then the tiergtear gas started flying. and to be honest, most of the protesters are dispersed. very heavy police presence. not sure what that banging was. >> well that sounded like --
>> there's now gun shots you'll be interested to hear so we're going to move aside. >> all right john terret -- >> no i think those were bullets. they seem to be coming from a direction of a low lying stores which are over -- >> john why don't you get osafety now and we'll try to get back in touch with you in just a second. there's a long delay here with john terret. we've got a family statement released by michael brown's family and this is what it says "we are profoundly disappointed that the killer of our child will not face the consequence of his actions. we ask you that you channel your frustration in ways that will make a positive change. we need to work together to fix the system that allowed this to happen." and we have this from the lawyers of police officer darren wilson, who released this statement tonight and it says: "from the onset we have maintained the grand jury -- and
the grand jury agreed that officer wilson's actions on august 9th were in accordance with the laws and regulations that govern the procedures of an officer. it goes on. for him, none of this ends. people have made threats against his life. he will continue to be concerned about his family's security and his own. not being indicted is a brief respite but certainly not the end of things for him. let me bring dante barry back in. gives me a reaction first of all to officer wilson's statement. >> did y'all know, i wonder if folks know that darren wilson had the opportunity to get married last month, right? so i wish that there was a privilege of some folks that have the opportunity to really, to really have an opportunity to really reflect on what's going on, right? we couldn't find darren wilson
at all, there was no presence of where he was, in any of us. any statements made. but i think when we look at the brown family, we need to be making sure that we are doing this nonviolently, right? but also we need to recognize that people are going to be frustrated, right? and that comes with the idea, the realization that black people are going through this every single day. and we don't want to plan on respectability of politics in any way because folks need to channel their anger in somehow. >> how do you make this nonviolent. >> what do you mean? >> well, there have been a lot of calls, congressman john lewis called for nonviolent action and tonight, sadly, that's not everything we're seeing. how can -- how account community, i mean other than the president of the united states and people like yourself getting
up and saying we need to be nonviolent, how do you get control of a situation like this? >> again i don't want to put on the respectability of politics. if you had your son just killed and they don't get justice how would you react? i don't want to say, i don't want to create judgment around someone else's actions. right? but nonviolence is a way to -- militant nonviolence is a way to demonstrate that someone's life values in this country. which is what the civil rights movement of the '60s, acting in a certain way in order to ensure that their lives matter. we are still having the same fundamental question that black lives matter in this country. i think the folks that are interested in the hunger games, i don't really believe in convince denses, the fact that we have hunger games and the movie soma comes out next month,
it is the state based violence on people of color. we're going on the same situations. >> let me bring criminal attorney robert tarbert back in. >> the fact of the matter is john, when you discussed with your guest there, when people are disenfranchised, what is going to be their outlet when the law which they have seemingly been asked to rely on, doesn't work for them, if the outlet they have is the violent outlet. that is nature of the situation, that is history of the country. when you ask about what people can do as far as getting away from violent actions you have to invest people in the tea system.
you have to allow for a situation that allows for the prosecution of police officers in these types of situation, where people can look at the ate process and say, we believe in the process. funded by taxpayer dollars that did nothing but look at and investigate police matters. they would have no other interest except to do that. now no one seems to want to do that. they recognize that if you do that you take away the vested interest of the community and their ability to protect the police officers. i know how that thing works, those of us who have prosecuted know how that things work. we know the symbiotic relationship between prosecutors and police officers. >> we've been talking about issues like this far, far too long. >> yes. >> robert, stand by a second. we're going to continue our
>> okay, we're following breaking news. >> no indictment in ferguson, missouri, that is the decision tonight. you're looking at a car fire burning near ferguson, missouri, we've seen tear gas, we've seen vandalism. the response and protest in response to the decision reported by the prosecutor tonight. we've been waiting for the indictment and then we had the response to the indictment. jamilla lemieux is the editor for ebony magazine.
you were just in fergz ferguson, right? >> i just got back. i've been there seven times in the last three months. consistent anxiety, there was not surprise tonight, no one anticipated indictment, i believe there were a few people hanging on to a small semblance of hope, that officer wilson would be brought up on manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter charges. but what we see there is months of fear mongering. their complaints for justice did not deserve to be heard or they needed to speak in a polite
whisper. but in three months we have seen three young black men killed, two were surely not armed and the third there was a question whether he was armed or not. i do think the world needs to be prepared for there to be a significant expression of outrage that begins tonight and will continue on for quite some time. >> in particular you are talking about prosecutor mccullough's response to the media to critics when he made this announcement. give me your impression of what you heard. >> you know i think for what we've come for those of us who are outside of the st. louis area and were not intimately familiar with bob mccacullough, prior to august 9th, what we got from him was dismissal of reconcerns and questions about not only darren wilson, but the grand jury who made decisions about his fate, but the police officers that were charged with
protecting the persons of ferguson in particular. but one thing that surprised me was the way he talked about people of the media, both yourself and me and social media, had something to do with making it more difficult than it had to be. part of what mr. mccullough was addressing, not because we had created some sort of problem or for him or ferguson or greater st. louis but that there's been virtually no accountability for state sanctioned killings of black people and police abuse, and overpolicing in black and poor communities in this country for many, many years. and he was forced to answer to that. unfortunately the answer that he gave is not one that's going to satisfy most of the people who are on the ground in ferguson and he's going to have to deal with that. >> let's listen to a little bit more about what bob mccullough had to say around 9:00 knit.
>> the most significant challenge encountered in this situation is the 24 hour news cycle and its insatiable a.tight covering oappetite to cover any. if this frustrates the media and the general public and helps breed distrust of people already of the system. >> he mentioned the media several times exactly what you're talking about. i hadn't had a chance to look at black twitter tonight but the response on black twitter. >> the response on black twitter, those who use it frequently, one of outrage, pain frustration. that's same response we've seen since august 9th, when many of us saw pictures of michael brown, bleeding out, on our
twitter time lines. and facebook. the insatiable 24 hour news cycle. but that didn't create ferguson. it didn't create the situation that led to the death of michael brown. it created kim car kardashian, n teen mom and rap beats. it didn't create the circumstance that led to the death of yet another unarmed 18-year-old. a situation growing all the time. if there were no twitter, if there were no internet at all these abuses of power would continue. we just wouldn't know them outside of st. louis but we would know they happened in new york if we lift in ne of lived , we would know they happened in cleveland if we lived in cleveland. now he enhance to answer not just to st. louis but to the world. >> what happens now? i mean, where do you take this?
>> you know, i have spent a lot of time with the organizers and protesters on the ground in ferguson and greater st. louis. and what i can tell you, if i know nothing i know this for sure. these young people are organized. they are thoughtful. they are committed to creating change in the world around them. and it is not their intention to use violence to do that. they are going to work with and around the system as they need to. this isn't about rioting. this isn't about going out -- >> we are seeing some tonight. >> we are seeing a reaction that was provoked by decades upon decades of state sanctioned killings of black people. that go unchecked. over and over again. there was no social media in 1992 when we watched rodney king beaten within an inch of his life on camera. and then we watched the people commit that beating get off. i'm 30 years old.
i was a very young girl when i saw that happen. and i've watched it over and over and over again. you juxtapose that with somebody who's 50 years old. they have known president barack obama, a person who looks like them. when we are waiting for this decision all these weeks and all these months and all these days. we've watched no less than the killings of two other young men, and a young boy in cleveland be killed because he had a toy gun. we saw a mentally disabled woman killed, because she was taken in custody, her family called for help in restraining her, and another man get killed in a project stairwell, and the police have come forward saying it was an accident, nervous police officer, same hand
holding the gun he let off the round and that round killed the father. when bill bratton said the person was killed purely on accident, then we know we have a serious problem because usually there's some sort of campaign build around that officer to defend his action. the people who are in ferguson, the people who have the reaction to the death of michael brown and the decision not to prosecute darren wilson, they are dining with everything they were dealing with prior to august 9th and everything since then. the militarization, what brought us to what happens tonight. so i pray that no one is harmed, i pray this there is no lots of life and property but we did not do this. the organizers did not do this. the media didn't do this, i didn't do this, black at which timer didn't do this.
the state didn't do this. they're reaping what they saw right now. >> let's look at the pictures from ferguson, missouri right now. we are approaching the 11:00 hour in the east and this is the time that we normally do our broadcast and we will regroup. and come back to you and continue our coverage of what's going on in ferguson, missouri right after this. don't go away. dorian johnson
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